Dwen Curry Talks Self-Identity Journey, Trans Woman In Men's Prison, Gay Gangsters + More
This way up for Angela gee, and what a pleasure to have Dwane Curry here with me. The original Okay.
The original Okay Gangster.
The original Gay Gangster, The Gg's Baby, and if you haven't seen the original story on American Gangster Chap Queens, but then also the movie Fighting to Be Me, the Dwan Curry Story. It's a BT plus original movie. Man, you guys have got to watch it. I want to say. I was actually watching it with Lindsay Granger and she was so into it. She was like, I'm about to go home and finish this.
Oh, I'm you know, I'm self filled with love that everyone loves it, you know what I'm saying, because it's a story of unconditional live when you look at it, and.
I want to really get into this because you know, fighting to be Me first of all, that's the name of it, right, the Dwayne Curry Story. What made you say fighting to Be Me as the title of the story that you wanted to tell about yourself and your childhood and how you became who you are today.
Well, in our actuality, I was sitting up and I was speaking with one of the executive producers, one of the executive producers, which is Deleise James, and we were trying to come up with a story, or not a story, but a title, and she said, well, Dwyn, what do you think about fighting to be mean? I said, perfect, that's right, that's good, fighting to be mean the Duin's Curry story. Because I've been fighting or my life. I feel like Sophia, I've been fighting all my life, so I have. I've just been fighting to be me. So it just only made sense. And once you watch the film then you'll see.
I feel like true stories are so much more fascinating anything that anybody could ever. I always say that, right, And your story is amazing. So you come from Detroit, but you ended up in Oakland, and you know, early on in life you went through some struggles. Can we talk about that first? When you were in Detroit and it just was not working for you there.
I'm an open book, so I mean, where do you want to start? We can go. You know, the childhood was not bad at all. You know, the way I was raised and things of that nature. You know, I was really heavily cultivated by my family.
Your name is Eddie. At that time, your mother named you Eddie.
Well, my name still is Addie, so they do say Eddie when I go back to Detroit. So I'm not mad, although I am, you know, trands and things of that nature.
I don't get.
You know, when someone is trying to intentionally insult you, they don't do it. It's you know, I look at it as you know. It's love.
Right.
Your mama say, look, I named you Eddie, and I give you the name. I'm calling you Eddie.
Girl.
She did not play. She'll call me whatever she wants, you know, but girl, you made me lose my train.
We were talking about you had a good childhood.
I did.
I had a good childhood, and then after the fact, I ended up going the wrong way and ended up on drugs. And I always felt like, well, if I don't smoke the crack out of the pipe and I put it in a cigarette or the weed, then I'm not a doupe thing.
But it took me out. It took me out to the.
Point to where it was extremely bad, to where I had to go to Oakland where my mother sent me, and I ended up going there with my uncle. So it was just at that time the identity that I was trying to figure out within myself. I wasn't really comfortable with that because I'm let's be real, I'm fifty seven years old. So I came out and early eighties, you know what I'm saying. So I've always known, but to be out, to.
Have to tell people like and not only did you know, but everyone knew. It felt like like your mama's like okay, like yeah, she always knew.
Yeah, you know, she always knew.
And I mean, just like they do enough film, you know, She's just like, okay, So I thought she was going to tell me something or you know, And.
I think that happens a lot, right like when people come out a lot of times people are like, all right, I already knew this. I still you know, we're just waiting for you to tell us, like this is what it is.
People knew before I did, and I mean, well I knew, but I never wanted to express it, and it was just something that you didn't talk about. You know, we know who you are, So just keep that to yourself. And my mother still says today, I don't care what you do in your bedroom. That's not any of my business. You know, I've always known or whatever. I was just waiting on you to get comfortable with yourself. But it's really hard.
Yeah.
Yeah, people don't understand how hard it is because they'll act like today. They don't understand why people don't just oh, just come out. Oh it's not that hard. There's so many different things that go on, especially with our president back in office, you know, and a lot of the laws that they're making when it comes to trans rights, when it comes to LGBTQIA plus rights, things that are being now rolled back, taken away, and still violence that can happen in the community just because of who you are as a human being.
No, absolutely, I understand what you're saying when it comes down to that. You know, I came out and you just kind of like battle with, you know, your own demons, because you got society saying that this is so bad, and you know, and the church and all of this, and then you got your family and only thing we want, or the only thing I wanted, was to be loved.
You know.
I thought I had a hard time coming out. But my best friend Derek, you know, his family is just upper echeline and he didn't really know what to do. And I think I helped him to evolve into being fierce, being fabulous, being beautiful, being everything that he wanted to be. It's like, okay, you say you don't have no support, I'm here right, So you know, it's just, you know, it's a different type of situation. People don't understand. That's why so much suicide that goes on.
You think that drugs is also away for you trying to like, yes, not be who you are and escape.
It's a way to camouflage. Was really going on what you don't want to deal with, you know. So it ended up being more of an escapegoat. So it wasn't until I became clean and I was actually able to see things the way that I needed to see them, especially by way of my uncle. He totally saved my life. When I say that, I mean what you see in the film is great. I mean it is great. ZB did an excellent job and replicating my uncle.
You got to Oakland after your mom sent you to Oakland because she couldn't take you on the drugs, and your uncle was like are you gay?
And you're like, bro, I was so devastating.
Yeah, I was like, is this motherfucker really asking me?
Yeah? Go ahead, you know.
I'm like, I'm like, okay, now I'm not in Detroit. Now I'm in Oakland. So now that I'm in Oakland, he done already drove me by the homeless encampment. And I feel like it's a whole setup. So now y'all asked us, it's getting ready to get me a shopping cart and put my whole ass out and go to the homeless encampment. And that was the first time that I actually allowed myself to be fearless and trust my gut and look at him and see the genuineness and the sincerity and what he was asking me.
And I said, yes.
It took a while, but I said it, you know, in that moment. The moment was long, you know, and he started laughing. He was like, well, why are you he said, what is taking you so long? It's a yes or no.
It's a bigger deal to you than it was, you know, because you know, people would say it's a choice, and I've heard that before, but I feel like, no, you know, it's a harder life. And so I don't know that anybody will like choose necessarily to make things harder on themselves.
I mean, that is basically what you said, is in a nutshell, because when it comes down to it, who wants to deal with society being exercised, people looking at you a certain way, people taunting you in a way to where they're demeaning you. For me, I've always known, ever since kindergarten and maybe before.
Then, because it's not about having sex. People also think that gender identity, I got it tight.
I don't want up rock niggas. I'm alergic too and all that, like I don't have time. But that's why I'm single to that, you know, I'm not like, no, I have a type. It's you know, just because I am who I am and you.
Are a straighter.
I got many homies right right, so many of them where they respect me. And when you look in at film you could see that. You see that on Trap Queens, you know, so it's just like, girl.
How did you feel about telling your story for the world to see, first in Trap Queens and then in Fighting to Be Me, like Trap Queens was first and that's an actual documentary. How was that for you, that decision to tell your full story, because that's not always easy for people to be able to do.
It was an experience because They've done three seasons, and I am the only transgender that is on there that has actually spoken my story, which I'm extremely grateful to be et plus, So when you look at it, it could have gone either way. It could have gone live, or it could have went right. And it did go right because it's such an interesting story.
These people took.
Such a chance on me because they don't know how society is going to react. And the only thing I could do was be transparent and be open and honest and give you the tea, right, And that's what I did. I just show all the tea.
Mean.
Yeah, You've literally worked with some stars like Mariah Carey, who just got the iHeart Icon Awards.
I love Mariah, Lisa Ray. Lisa Ray is my heart. That is my heart. That's my baby. Actually her and my best friend has the same birthday there. Yeah, so you know, they'd be giving me the blows sometimes, but it's so much love.
Yeah, and I you know, even like for you doing this, and Lisa raise also a large part of the story that's in the movie.
Yes, and yo, y'all, yo.
Y'all amazing like that you got to work with these icons, but clearly like personality wise, and what you were able to do for them thanks to the fraudulent scamming partly, and we'll get to that in a second, you know, because listen, it's always nice. I always say, man, if I had money like that to just spend, you know what I'd be doing. And you was blessing not just yourself but other people around you too, And that was in portant to you to be able to do things for your mom, to be able to do things for your friends, for your family. Your uncle ain't want that dirty money, but.
Girl, he kept that rolax. So now they embellished that.
Okay, I was gonna say, I don't know getting this money.
He kept that rolax.
I want to say, though, it's hard for anybody to not accept a gift, no matter even if they know it came through right with this swipe swipe, he don't.
Know if theydn't go through. No, you know what, let me be real care.
This is the thing.
The credit cards and things of that.
Nature that were used were predominantly for flocks. So whenever I went shopping, my model has always been if you take from the game, you got to give back. So I didn't just buying I mean my chel bag that was bought with cash. Okay, and she's twenty years old, you know, exactly so, right, So my thing is if you take from it, you got to give back. You know, everything was not fraudulent. And you have to remember that I was a very renowned wardrobe stylist girl, you know how them when y'all did Ladies Night and all that and everything, and like Bratt and I used to be best friends. So me running with them and all that, Like, I wasn't.
I kept y'all separate, right, you know.
So I wasn't if we went shopping that was yours. I wasn't doing those sliders with y'all. Were not doing that.
Because listen, I've been around it a little bit, you know, and I know people who have done that, and I also feel like it and I know people who have. But you know, everybody has butt things. I think, you know, I'm from Brooklyn. People have butt things, yes, from from the scammers and all of that. But you think there was a certain point because you did try to like kind of get away from that life too. It's hard, though, right, because when you start getting things and the money's coming fast and you're making money from your business. But this is supplementing that, you know at a certain point, because I think we tell ourselves like, Okay, I'm gonna stop when I get Did you tell yourself that, like I'm gonna get clean, I'm gonna not do this no more.
I did tell myself that. I think.
I ended up getting so ahead of myself where I have. I had created such a lifestyle, not just for me, but my family as well, so it always had to be more.
I was trying to find a way to be able to legit.
Yes, I'm going to get legit.
Look, I was these stylists head stopping.
You know, this is when I'm styling, where you basically getting if you do what is the time and a half or something like that, we get in like fifteen thousand off of the video shows.
Geez, so much money on the audio.
It was.
It was a whole lot. And so I started doing well for myself. But then something happened and I had to jump back in and you see it.
Yeah, so where watch the movie?
Y'all right?
How embarrassing? How embarrassing is that when you have all of these high profile clients and then bang, you ended up, you know, getting arrested and that's you know, that's not like somebody that it could be on it. It's like we know who you know, we know whoding is. And so now you have to account for people that are these top tier you know, musicians, artists, and it's a little embarrassing when they see because maybe they don't even know what's going on, and then they're.
Like what exactly.
And that's why you see in the film who's honored, which is yo.
Y'all okay and Lisa right?
Oh, because people will.
And that would be the finality of it when it comes down to it, because those were my rocks.
You know, they lifted me.
You know how they always say it takes a village to raise a child. Okay, Well, Derick and my mother and my family and Daisia, you know, all of them, they were my village. You know, they had to build me back up. So it was real depressing for me to be kind of like black balled and ostracized because no one.
Was there, right you know, and the money is flowing, Yeah.
The money was gone.
So look girl, one thing I don't have to worry about is nobody calling my motherfucking phone about no money.
Now, part of the story is also when you go to jail, you know, it's also hard because you're a trans woman, Yes, and then you go to a jail, but you go to a mail And this is something that's a conversation that's happening even now as on people's IDs and where people go to jail, it's going to be what you were born, what gender is on your birth certificate, right, so for you having to go to jail, but being trans, talk to us about that and what your thoughts are about what's happening now with the federal government as far as people's identities, their gender identities.
Well, when it comes down to it, when I ended up going to prison, because prison in jail, it's definitely two different things. When I went to prison, it was extremely different. The way I dealt with it is the way I deal with being in society today. I don't have a problem with connecting and you know, cohabitating with you know, any type of people. You know, I'm good. So how I am on the streets is how I went in. You know, of course, there was an unfortunate situation that happened with me when I was in prison. You know, that was really bad. But when it came to adapting and all of that, when it comes to like the guys getting to know me, it was nothing but respect. I only had that one incident that was really bad and if y'all want to know what it is, then you need to watch.
The movie right right now and that but that's really bad.
And on top of that, like you were saying, me myself personally, I would never want to go to a women's facility. Okay, that's just me myself personally, because I mean, what's the point.
It's a whole lot of work.
To be you and all of that, and I definitely don't want to be around tons of y'all or whatever when I go to Yeah, I mean, at least at least give a bit some eye candy or something like. You know, I don't have to do nothing. Yeah, I mean, you're not. But when it comes down to you're not transgenders and things of that nature, I mean, they want to go there, you know, I go there. I mean it should be a choice, and.
You think it should be a choice. That's so hard. Well, I don't want to be across the board whatever, you know what I mean, And that's the difficulty of it.
I mean, hey, I know for me, I'm not going over there to the women's side, so I don't.
And you're not going back to prison ever.
So yeah, we're doing movies.
Yeah, we're doing movies.
Yeah, ain't nobody doing that's done, that's in the past.
What do you think if you wouldn't have gone to prison, what would have been You think that things would have been even worse? You know what I'm saying, because sometimes people will be like, prison saved my life, and you know, I would have probably done X, Y and Z, Like I've heard people say that I might have gotten, you know, into things even deeper. It could have ended even worse for me. Do you think that there was any type of rehabilitation for you going there? Was there anything that you feel like this helped me in any way?
I feel as though it did help me in many ways. I've already been shot twice. I didn't necessarily foresee.
That coming, but.
You know, everything it was just it was so rapid, and God just had to grab me and say you need to calm down, and you need to sit down.
This is your lesson. And in a way it's there helped me.
It humbled me a great deal, you know, because how do you sit up there and have millions? And when you get out of prison, you have to learn how to use a EBT card or a bridge card or whatever it is that they call it, you know, and then you live an unscared row and things of that nature with one restroom on each floor where it's a shared restroom. So you know, it humbled me and I could actually say.
Yeah, it did it?
Did it?
Did?
You know?
It changed a lot and how I see things and where I am.
And it was around you too, because like you said, there's some people that were your rocks during that time, and it.
Was my niece and her friends. They inserted the youth back in me. So that was fun to be around them, you know. And then of course like my family, you know, my rocks, they were there.
Now, what about the rest of the gay gangsters? What about like what do you still keep in contact? What's the deal with with that? And were they around when you went to jail, because you had a whole crew the gay gangsters. You're always running it up.
I just saw them at the premiere.
Oh okay, And so y'aos.
My son, he was there. Rashi, my nephew, his lover, Jimmy. I mean they were all. There are the ones who are still alive. Like in the film you see, Jehid is deceased. Okay, you know that was like my first son.
And then who else? Zaire?
He's not here, Zaire.
So Zaire was your that was my lover, your lover. But now I'm trying to figure out. So he was Muslim and he did not want his family to know about you, so or he said they didn't know about you. He just couldn't bring you home. So he wasn't necessarily closeted, but it was his religion that prevented him from knowing that this could go any further.
I'm surprised you didn't figure it out. You don't know who.
Is I was trying to. I want to tell you because it's a real person it is.
But I'm not gonna and I'm not gonna do it on air.
So I was watching it and I was like, you better figure it out this person.
You know who it.
Is, but Zare is deceased and yes, yes, oh my gosh, I'm trying to figure.
You said what you better not.
I'm gonna listen, y'all, gonna tell me, but you're gonna watch.
I am gonna find out.
But okay, she's gonna find out in a minute before we laid because you know.
She's now look.
But you know, in a situation like that, that's also a learning lesson, right, because you want to be with somebody who's loud and proud to please. You want to be with somebody it was loud and proud to have you and to be able to bring you around their family. But like you said, it's not easy for everybody even to be able to do that. So I'm about to find out. Y'all listen, if you got to watch this movie, and then y'all gotta at me and let me know, how did you feel just watching this movie for the first time? When you had the premiere with everybody in the room.
It was surreal mm hm.
And you know it was amazing.
Ok I'm not.
I'm not dishing the tea, okay, but no, it was amazing with my family to have them there and all of my loved ones.
You know, the most amazing thing I can say about a biopeic is that I'm still alive. You know, I was there for the line who plays me so that he did.
An amazing job too.
He shadowed me.
Yeah, amazing.
It was right there, he already had it. But it was great to be able to have the actual individuals that are in alignment alive, especially my mother and.
So, oh my god, I love me. She was listening. I was happy when she got that for a.
Coke girl, That's exactly how Mimmy was. Yeah, so it was. It was funny.
And then Derek's character, Gregg Junior, Judge Matthew's son, Oh my god, oh yeah it was.
And Judge matthis is so Detroit. Yes he is for him to have he was the executive producer, right, Yes.
He got to hurry up and get us to Detroit because the people's burning down the door.
Did you have l will towards your mom for kicking you out or did you understand.
At that particular time, I didn't really understand. I didn't understand. I was scared because you know, now I'm going somewhere that I've never been, California, and you know, so I was angry at first, But once I got into rehab and things of that nature, then I ended up forming more clarity and I understood where she was coming.
From Okay and Rechard and it was hard for her. You was a handful, Yeah, it was.
You know, my mother is a tough cookie, but you know she did what was best for me and I understand that I get it right.
Yes, all right, well listen you guys, make sure you please watch Finding to Be Me, the Dwanne Curry story. It's the reasons like this that I have BT plus okay, to be able to watch shows like and movies like this. It was actually phenomenal. You know, sometimes we'd be like, Okay, what's it? But when I tell you, you are going to not be able to walk away, like, sit down, watch it with your friends. It's amazing to have you here, like you said, to be able to tell your story and fashion wise, like what do you want to do now when it comes? Because it felt like you really had an eye for that. So aside from this, what is your life like today on a day to day basis?
Well, right now I'm promoting the movie, and right now I'm fighting for the series okay, okay.
And the book. So my focal point is more there.
You know, I'm not running up and down Rodale Drive, running and Gucci and all that shopping. Those days are over, you know, the legends, the people that I've touched, you know, it feels my heart and I just always feel like, no sooner than you've achieved one goal, than there's always another one to meet.
Mm hm.
So it's not how you fall down, it's how you get up. And I'm you know fashion, I've already conquered it, right, what's next? I'm ready to conquer this?
Is it single life or you what's going on with that?
It's definitely single life? Okay, I am single, so we'll see if it's sending potentials hit me on the original.
All right, well, thank you so much, Dwane Curry.
Watch that again.
It's fighting to be me, the Dwane Curry story. If you need to go back and watch the American Gangster Chad Queen's episode, you can do that too and this, but make sure you support as we should.
Absolutely. I love you, all right.
I appreciate it.
I love you too. I'm so glad that you were able to tell your story. I know this is going to resonate with a lot of people.
Well, you know you are that girl, so you done just pushing it out there. So I love it.
Thank you.
So proud of you, and congrats the billboard in Times Square. That's an amazing moment, and that's a huge deal.
I would remember think that.
I mean, that's a moment in Times Square of all places.
You're all right there, Adam Winton took pictures.
Congratulations, Yes, thank you so much.
And b E T Plus and Megamine Media and Judge Matthis and trustor small Wood, just everybody and the Realise James and Tiffany Kaufman.
I can't forget nobody.
Yeah, all my people, thank you well,