Jaylen Brown and Kristaps Porzingis have been dubbed by Joe Mazzulla as “Cookies & Cream,” and they join Marc and Abby on the VFTR set to dive into their relationship that’s blossomed both on and off the court just months after they became teammates. Listen to them relive Porzingis getting on the plane as the new guy and stealing JB’s seat (the one JB had held for four years), and the moment they got stuck on the side of the road together at 4 a.m. They also explain their chemistry on the court and why they get along so well off of it, with hilarious interactions throughout the convo. Oh, and merch? Maybe!
0:30 – Jaylen and Kristaps remember how the “Cookies & Cream” name came about
2:00 – JB tells the story of KP stealing the seat he’d held on the plane for 4 years
4:00 – Car rides, getting stuck on the side of the road at 4 a.m., and doppelgangers
9:45 – How the off-court relationship has led to on-court success
14:45 – Is Cookies & Cream merch on its way?
15:45 – One last chance to describe each other and their friendship
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Cookies and Cream.
This is the Cookies and Cream podcast or CHANDL Brown and Christas porzingis wait yes please, yeah, I wish I had some Cookies and Cream on step for us d right now. But since I don't, can you at least tell me how this came about. I know you said that Missoula is a guy who dropped it, but when did this happen?
Like?
When when did he term you guys as cookies and Cream.
I think it was just a random day in practice, like we were just like it was after a couple of games. We had a couple of good games early in the season and Joe just comes in the film session and it's just like we're gonna call his cookies and Cream, huh, and and it's stuck. I guess it kind of just stuck.
KP.
Were you in all the way from the jump?
I was not convinced.
I was not convinced first, but he just kept going with it, and then we had another good game, another good game. We had that connection, and I guess I guess Joe just gave us that name.
The funny thing about it, though, is that early in the season, Joe came and talked to us in the media and we were asking questions. I think it was after you posted the step Brothers post on on your Instagram, and we were like asking Joe about your guys relationship, and he was like, I didn't even know they were that tight. I don't know if that was like Joe being like dead panting to us, because he does that a lot. But for sure, it's funny that he's the one that came up with the name that now everyone is calling you guys.
Yeah, Joe, Joe gets all the credit for that. You know, that wasn't me, that wasn't KP. That was all Joe.
How did you guys become such fast friends?
I don't know.
I think it was natural. We sat together on the plane, so obviously we started talking.
Was what's crazy about that? KP comes and like, sits in my seat. I've been sitting in the same seat on the plane for like the last four years.
Yes, no, I trust me.
I understand team plane and you know the dynamics, your.
Space right, same spot, just last four years. KP comes in, you know, walking in first trip, that's my seat. I'm like, you know, because it's KP allowed him to do it. He told you that was He told me that that was wow. He asked me if I could plainly sit to the next one because wow, he feels more comfortable sitting close to the window or something like that.
Whoever gets here sits that seat first. That's what I said.
Just let you have it right, you know's some kind of view bure, you know what I mean.
I mean you're thinking long term.
KP is important to what we're doing over here, so I want him to feel comfortable. So if you want in my seat on the plane, hey, brother, it's yours.
But also Christops, Yeah, why is that seed so important to you that you're you walk in and you're like, yo, that's mine.
You're in a new spot on.
A new team, claiming your space.
Yes, that was the most important thing for me coming to That's true, to get that seat where you sit on the plane.
It is like important though for like the vibe of like everything. A lot of people who attested that people are so up early.
Did you start showing up early to get the window seat?
No? I couldn't show up early if I wanted to here.
That's just you.
But KP was there, and it's like that's the CD won it that made him feel the most comfortable. It's yours.
So far it's working out. Who offered to drive for the first time?
Oh man? We have stories.
Let's go.
That's why why we're here.
Give us the cookies and cream stories.
Please, No, we go to keep that one.
Hey, this was on my list of what I had to ask. Is a story from one of those rides. You don't have to tell the one that you're saying right now, you don't want to tell. But there's got to be something you can give us.
Right, No, no, we uh and we I mean we live in the same building. So it makes a lot of sense to just carpool, you know at times, you know what I mean, or you know, to ride back from a late game you get in late, you know what I mean. Usually I'll have either car service, but if you want to save a couple of dollars, just ride with KP. I thought that was a great idea. Okay for the most part. That is you know, smart thinking, right everybody?
Yeah, you know, until you realize deficient that way.
No, KP drives a nineteen eighty six BMW.
Stopped but it was different. But is it like a car classic?
But it sounds good into one day it just doesn't cut off like the first time. Yes, so but this is this is this is where this is my fault. I don't even blame I'm going to fix the story.
They go ahead.
There's always two sides.
This is where it's my fault because like a couple of games before this day that we were going to discuss, like I'll ride with KP. And like I remember getting in the car and I'm like, it's cold outside. I'm as like, is the car? Is it going to start? So it gives me that look like yeah, like it's going to start, but it's like an unsure yeah, And like he turns the car, he puts the key in and he turns it and it comes on, and he's like, yes, I got that.
Really, it wasn't sure, soxed it.
So he wasn't sure that day. That's the thing, like, I don't want to ride with somebody if you're not going to be sure if.
It's going to cut on turning on.
He wasn't confident. No, no, no.
The thing is like it's a nineteen ninety nine car, but it's so quiet and it just runs so smooth. I couldn't tell if it was on or off. I was like, is this car on? He was like, brother, what's happening. I'm like, no, it's on, hold on, and so I was a little confused, you know, because it runs so smooth, you know. So what happened was the car is perfectly fine. The only thing that's a little bit like JANKI is like the when the U you can see the gasoline right, it looks like it's like thank for example, and all of a sudden.
It goes down like super quick.
That happened with no pedometer in a car before, or is it just like, let's go, this is what happened.
And I got in the car and I knew from the last time I wrote it it was kind of on the low side, but now it looked like fine.
So we're going home, Oh my god, and you're gonna imagine what happened.
And it was like the latest we've gotten back from a trip, like a season or something. Four am, And of course you get stuck in the coldest weater.
On the roll ran out of because that's the one start on the plane for like five hours.
Too, I think so, I think so.
And then you ran out of gas.
That was that night. So it was a good adventure.
Who do you NBA players on the road? Who do you call when you run out of five in the morning.
We called karank God for care. She she you know, there's nothing, a lot that she could do, but she was at least there on the phone to support.
Support while you waited for triple A.
Well we waited for uh we just I guess we just left it there. But you know, this is where I take the responsibility because one the trip before I seen the unsurety and I still put myself.
In that position, right, So you're only blaming yourself to blame. That means you would have left Christops out there all by himself.
You were there. You know this, This made this made the connection even.
That's when Pies and Cream really got to the next level.
Years ago, Evan Turner told a story about his Ferrari and the same thing happened. The gas all of a sudden was there and then it wasn't, and he got stuck on the side of the road. And I was like, that doesn't happen.
What are you talking about differently than the ninety nine Mercedes? Why do you still have a ninety nine Mercedes? And how long have you had this car?
I love classic cars. I'm a big Mercedes guy, and that's actually one of my favorite cars.
To drive. Drive super smooth.
It's like when it drives.
No, no, no, it's it's it's a good condition is Boston, man, it's ice yees, you all will drive.
Okay, this car is super safe. I'm telling you.
I was gonna say, that's the lesson you learned. It's just like, be confident.
Just you have to fill up the gas. That's it. We would have been fine.
Oh my god.
All right, So you're in the same building, right, We've already covered that. Sometimes you ride with each other when the car works.
How never, again, it wasn't that bad.
How did you guys end up in the same building. Is it through the team a recommendation?
No, I think it's random. I think you bought the units, right. Yeah.
It was a brand new building just opened up in like April or something like that, like probably one of the newer buildings in Boston. And you know, I was looking for a new place at the time, so he was just moving to the city. So I guess it just kind of worked out.
It's really not far from the garden. Do you ever walk.
Ooh, that would be that would be dangerous.
Yeah, I feel like you two would stick out in public if you walked to TD Guard.
I think I can get away with it.
You do have the doppelganger who's like already out there.
You don't know.
It could be.
Sneaking, it could be your decoy.
A lot of people they see that, they don't they have someone surety. Now it's like, you know, I feel like I can get away weighted.
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So off the court it's great.
But the reason the cookies and cream actually got dropped publicly, which has now turned into a wallpaper that I don't know if you guys saw that on the Celtics handle. They've made a wallpaper if you guys with cookies and cream. But the reason it got out there is because you retweeted a or you quote tweeted a highlight reel of just you guys on the court.
Highlights of you guys on the court.
It's almost three minutes long, the highlight reel of just you two already this season. So how has the off the court relationship actually translated into the success that you guys have felt together. I mean, I just feel like the connection that behind the back passes the back cuts, like it's like you guys know each other are going to be at all times.
I think our games really just compliment each other, Like, you know, him being a great shooter and then also a lob threat puts teams in a difficult position, especially when I'm trying to get downhill, because it just makes the reader either easy. You know, I could throw it up if you step up, or if he pops and I'm just hitting him on the pop and then I can just hit him every time. And at that big if he's there, he doesn't kind of know what to do. Do I stop Jalen from getting downhill? Or do I rotate to KP who's just hit three threes in the rows? Like, it's a difficult position to be in, especially if we're playing with pace and where we got it Roland. So I think our games just kind of compliment each other. So, you know, I think it's been a great fit.
When it comes to chemistry, and this is something I talk about with scal all the time. I feel like you don't necessarily have to get along off the court to make things work on the court.
But how much easier does it make it when you do.
I think it helps us in terms of like being able to communicate with each other, say things to each other and not take it personally because we're cool off the court also, you know, and that way you can like kind of push each other and tell each other things maybe that are not you know, things you would say to somebody that you're not as close to, you know, on the court. You can, and I think that's where that's where we have that advantage, you know, because of our relationship off the court and obviously, as he said, we just match on the court and try to look for each other, and it's honestly, it just kind of happens. Happened off the court and on the court like supernaturally.
How often has that have you guys had that feeling just in your individual careers, like growing up, playing in AAU, playing in college, Like, how often have you felt that connection with another player like you guys do and have through the first handful of months of the season, Because it seems rare. It's kind of what I'm getting like, it doesn't feel like that happens often in general.
No, I've that good nections, Like me and Smart had a good connection yea last year we used to get all those back cuts. Yep, you know I would have you know, I've had good connections, but this is definitely, you know, one of the best for sure. But you know, over the course of your life you play a lot of yeah, you games and teams, but not KP definitely ranks at the very top. Just chemistry. Just in year one, like we haven't been playing together for a full year yet and you already see how many like highlights and points and that we've been able to generate. So imagine playing like for a longer period of tome it could even be better. But yeah, definitely definitely right at the top.
Yeah, and for me also, like I would say, kind of the same thing as him with Smart, he had that connection me playing with Brad Beale and finding him on those back doors and kind of him coming off with that explosivity that he has helped me, you know, just.
Click with with JB right away.
Also because there are some similarities in their games, you know, just how dynamic both of them are and how can they get downhill and create for others?
Jalen, for you this season, and we've talked a lot about trying to step up into that leadership role, I feel like it's not just the connection with KP either, it's kind of taking some of the other new guys under your wing and how much of that is important to you And are you seeing the results on the floor.
Yeah for sure. And people get mad at me, but like you know, as a part of like being a leader is trying to get your guys involved so that means each and every night. That doesn't mean I have to score or look to score the ball every single night, you know. And obviously, you know, everybody wants you to come out and drop thirty points a game and everybody be happy. But at the same time, making sure Sam gets shots, making sure Peyton, finding our guys, playing through them, you know, gives them the rhythm and the confidence that we need going for getting him rolling, because when he scores, you know, he's feeling good. He's blocking shots, he's hitting threes.
You know.
So sometimes I've you know, you know, trying to find a balance of being aggressive myself but also understanding seeing the game and knowing that, like I need the teammates around me to be the best version of themselves. And that means if they're watching me just scoring the ball, that you know that they're not getting the game experience that I need them to have.
Sometimes that also means sometimes you have to give up your seat on the plane.
Exactly, share sacrifices.
It's a big picture.
That's the biggest we.
Win a championship, everybody's pointing back to that started with the seat.
The sacrifice. Talk about sacrifice, that's huge. My last question is when are we going to get some merch?
Are you guys working on that? Like an album?
Cover shirts, the Stepbrothers T shirts.
You got to get on top of that.
Yeah, I mean you're moral of the merch guy and all this like marketing, you know, figure it out.
Give me just some commission and we're good.
Seven sixty forty thirty five. I'm doing the work.
What about shipping it for gas though he's paying for the now, you know, making sure it's full of.
You guys are going to launch your own podcast, Cookies of Dream personality wise though that that is one of the interesting things to me is that, like if we Abby and I were talking earlier, I'm like, if we just looked at the list of players on the roster this year before the season started, and we predicted who we're going to become like best friends. I don't know why, but I just wouldn't have predicted you guys, because you have such different upbringings. You're different, you have different positions on the court, different games. Why do you think this happened? And Jalen, I know you talked at the beginning of the season about he's way funnier than most of us. Know who aren't around him every day, Like how much did that impact the relationship early on?
For sure? Definitely a funny guy over here, but he alsos just super laid back, just super cool. Everything is cool. Everything is like it's sexy, you know what I mean, it's a wink, it's a point Walking said, Yeah, I mean everything is that with him. So it's just it's funny to be around and daily.
What is something KP. We don't know about JB. M.
We don't know about j B.
I don't know about I was gonna I was gonna add to like I think what also like help us or what? Like why we got along right away is we share like a lot of views on like things outside the court. You know, we share like we we view things the same way. And we kind of had those conversations early any examples just bigger.
Things, just bigger things outside of basketball, you know, filter Yeah, yeah, yeah, we kind of like like, you know, we just clicked from.
You know, and uh and I think I think that's what it was. Also And then Abbie, would you say, would you ask me just now what I don't know about JB.
But we don't know about Yeah, yeah, that.
I'll think about that. I'll come back someone, We'll come back secrets about him.
I can't wait. We're gonna do part two later this season. Can't wait.
No, this has been awesome. You guys are the best. This is I know the fans are gonna love this. Cookies and Cream is like popping off on Everyone loves it. You guys have been awesome to watch you guys team up the season, and we can't wait to see what the second half of the season has in store for you guys and the team overall. So we appreciate you coming on. We appreciate you being open and talking about your stories from private rides from the seaport to the garden and of the practice facility, and we're looking forward to it.
Thank you, appre sure guys. Thanks