Welcome everyone. This is view from the rafters today. We're bringing in a man who hails from basketball country life is funny. Okay, go don't go there. Not yet. Well we talked about it that po the Bust One Boys is the crazy story, not actor a basketball It's the crazy thing to me. It's like where you came from. Yeah, we're all older than we think. We are always Gold League Gray Baby, Welcome inside the Celtics front office at one hundred Causeway Street. We got another episode of you from the Rafts coming right at you today. Before we get into this with Cedric maximum Sean Grandy, who have called what two thousands something games together, I don't know who's doing the math on that was you. You're the one adding them up with you going sixteen eighty one, sixteen eighty two, sixteen. Who's doing it? I can tell you who didn't added though, I can tell you two people. I lost count already, So what do we had two thousand? Like I didn't. I wasn't keep accounting the first place. I just show up to work, all right. Well, before we get into that, I just want to remind everyone give us a great review and subscribe. We appreciate it. Audio episodes job and every Tuesday on your favorite podcast platform, and the video version dropping every Wednesday on our YouTube channel. So, as I said today, we've got the pair who's called more games together than any pairing in Celtics history. Am I right on that? That's what we're told. In fact that when they when they told me this, the number thing is kind of silly. And Max and I we're already joking about it. You can't win that when you're a numbers guy. But here the thing is, I'm not a numbers guy. Oh okay, that's the thing. It's like I do my research and share it. Yeah, because I'm a play by play guy right now. This is so this is the funniest thing in the world to me. Like, in doing play by play, you have to prepare. It's called preparation. Yes, you prepare for the games. I share my prep because now we have social media, so I share the prep with fans and then people who don't listen to the games, that don't watch the games that apparently I've done two thousand radio games with Max and another god knows how many hundreds of games on TV and the NBA and this and that suddenly I'm a numbers guy. It's a play by play guy because I share mine. No, you're a play by play guy who has the numbers. I have them there at twenty something years, two thousand games. Yeah, a bunch of numbers. And he would give you numbers throughout the game. It would give you percentages of Celtics they have a ninety eight percent. But they lost or this team did, and not sitting down, I'm just like, oh, really, so I've just found out that Sean does have numbers, and I think that is to me. I'm fascinated by his numbers. More so I think I told Sean this. I said, more fascinated about Sean Grandy the broadcaster. When we lose, Sean Grandy maintains energy throughout a call. It could be the call for the other team is like and and he'll say something like and Lebron James, oh my god, what the play? And he finished it going towards the rim and it's the winning play. I'm on the other side going, oh man, damn ye. And then I admire him for that. I can't keep He keeps a certain amount of energy which I which I think is great. And I don't have that energy for the other teams. You didn't have that in Game seven in twenty ten and Los Angeles when the Lakers were about to win the championship, you're saying you didn't. I didn't have the energy. My injurgy was going down and down until our you know, our engineer of a sit beside me telling me all of a sudden max because I was the one supposedly going out to receive the trophy and they've told me I had to go and sup and didn't get the trophy, and and I was like, oh man, this is gonna be great. Celtics up by what fourteen fifteen whatever they want going into that quarter, and my engineer, Doug Lane is sitting there saying, Okay, this is what you have to do when you go in. I got a wireless Mica on your dad, and I'm looking to the score going just going down. But it gets down like six, and he's still talking to me about this. I said, you shut a shut up mouth right now, and and to see the eventually, you know, you see what Ron Artest does and win the game. Why are we taking well, I'm going to do it for this is what I do because that moment prepared him for thirteen years later standing next to Lisa Salters in Miami with the Eastern Conference trophy, and so everything comes for not really, I've turned making an Those can't be a good story. We always do real stories. It's like my podcast, we say keeping on the Hunted, it would have been better doing the final and Lisa and Lisia Salters was it was a it was a good get to get down there and do it. I had to run through the crowd because the game wasn't over because if we kept missing all these shots. Sean had a great call, He's prepared, and Marcus Mark takes it three and this Marcus gets a and then and then finally you know when, and now I have to get down through the crowd to get down there to see the Lisa Salters and the first year you're high up in Miami. Yeah, and I and the guy, this guy's busting me through the crowd because he's the he's the guy who has to take me. So as I get down to the bottom and finally get through the crowd, and I remember sitting there saying that I was like, well, am I gonna say? Because they give you a few words to say, and she has a microphone and she's like, well, Ceter Maxwell, Founder's MVP. You're receiving this troph here and and and still today people said I said some things were not correct. I said, girl, it is great being on top. And some people took offense of that line. I said, I was talking about the game. I was, so, you know, even then, even Dan Sean Grandy heads this flying, which I love, he always says, no good deed goes u punished. So I busted this crowd to do all this and get that to the microphones. All of a sudden I get back lash because something that supposedly I say it, though it didn't say speaking of no good deed goes unpunished. With Grandy, Max, you always get a hundred, right, you always get keep it in a hundred. But if both of us found out in real life with your wife, if you keep it one hundred, that's how you end up with fifty fifty stuff. Um, okay, let's let's get back to how this started, because we're talking about this is twenty two seasons, right, if my masters, this is this twenty second season of you guys, remember two John has told me it's my twenty six years always twenty eight dude, twenty eight man, I gotta get me. I'm gonna say I got an easy one. Well, I gotta get you on right now with my my consulting that I get retire the rates retire sooner than well. What happened was we I had first broadcast partner. I had Spencer Ross as Spencer for a couple of years, and then they wanted to make a change the guy Howard David, and Howard David came in and I had done the game with Sean. Uh, it's the test that we were talking about. Okay, there's more to the stories. Yeah, he came. He came in. Howard has something to do or something happened, and they brought Sean in and and I, you know, and I did the broadcast and and we had a good broadcast, and I didn't know if I was gonna see Sean again. I said good luck, and the next thing I know, he had gone. He was gone, you know, to Minnesota. And then I think once Howard was let go, they were trying to find and then they came to me and said, well, um got Sean Granty. So I worked with Sean already. He said. Guy said, well, you know, why don't you call him up, you know, you know, tell him to come up. I said, well, give me his number, and I called him and talked. You know, we talked about him coming back, and he was like, yeah, yeah, I came back. And that's how I let Seohan finished press. Well, that that phone call is what first made me changed my mind about leave Minnesota, which I was not going to do. I was doing TV in Minnesota. I was twenty something years old. You know, it seemed like a job I was going to be in for a long time. But here's something you want, something that has never been said on the air before that I've never talked about as they do. When the change was made that Max was just referring to to Howard David in nineteen ninety seven, six months earlier, that job had been promised to me at twenty five years old. I was going to join Max in nineteen ninety seven to become the voice of the radio voice of the Celtics. And then a funny thing happened. Rick Petino arrived and suddenly the profile changed, and suddenly this is going to be a glamor franchise under Rick Pettino, and they didn't want a twenty five year old kid. Yeah, that's kind of kind of the point. Now, that's funny. And as you like saying about Marty Glickman, he is gone. I am here and he is not. But at twenty five years old. That was for about four or five months, that was the plan that who knows, Rick might be back. He was overseased, yeah, but in any case, uh. And then when that got renegged from me, obviously I was not happy, and I was going to take the first job that came in. A year later, Minnesota TV job came and I went and did that before that in that ninety seven ninety eight season before I went to Minnesota. That was the night the Howard David who was doing Monday Night Football and the Celtics, he got snowed in and he didn't get snowed in Miami, but he couldn't get back to Boston because it was snow in Boston. Flight wasn't going to get here. And they walked into my little booth that I did the updates and Max. Max and I are first on air together. Was actually on Glenn Ordway's show in the late nineties because Max was one of the rotating co hosts that we would have come in with Glenn Ordway and I did my little character, my little anti establishment Generation X character. So that was the first time I worked with Max. So I'm in my booth. They came into four o'clock in the afternoon, they said, get over to the garden. You're doing the game tonight, and about an hour or later, the aforementioned Rick Petino. I'm like, Jeff Twist marches me into the office and there I am face to face doing a interview with Rick Potino and Seltics played that night and one and Max and I had a w was December twenty three, it's Christmas, um and he didn't know numbers though I didn't have anything. That's what I'm thinking. He he you know what I see where you're king. No. No, he can repeat things to me, which to me is amazing. When he says memory, he'll say two thousand and no, when that happened two thousand and eight, yeah, or photograph that happened two thousand and eight and that was And I was like, oh, yeah, they get in. He always gets told me for saying the other day. I'll say the other day in the heartbeat two years ago, could be yesterday. I don't know the day, so he does, well, that's not again. Those are numbers. That's a memory. And yeah, I remember. I have a bizarre thing that has aided me in my career, and that I know that in the two thousand and three, two thousand and fourth season, when the Celtics lost that lead to Brooklyn earlier this year, I remembered the game against Phoenix and they had lost with Marbury Insttomar and I remember that we flew couldn't fly out the next day because of a snowstorm, and they won back to back games at Utah at Denver that night, and then we went to Salt Lake the next night Celtics won again. I remember all that. Where are my car keys? No idea, But I have you all this useless information of institutional memory, which I realized now they call it that because you're gonna end up in an institution, because you can't forget all of this. You have a great memory, and numbers just happened to fall into that, if you say so. All right, So getting back to those first couple of games that you guys, it was kind of like a test run. And yeah, and when I went to Minnesota, I filled in. They called me when I was doing it, called on the phone, they called press Row. This is how old school this is. Can you get down to Sacramento because Howard David couldn't do a game in Sacramento And I met Max down there. So we had done a couple of games together. But I'm doing TV in Minnesota, so funny to me and people are like, oh, you're doing TV this year. You're you're You're good at TV. I'm like, I was kind of doing it twenty five years ago. But when Max called me, I thought, not just the games we had done, but his style. I thought this could be a thing like this could be a long running thing that fits together. And I remember vividly we had a long preseason road trip. Max will tell you about the statistician that we had in the Rock, Arkansas that I picked out another life lesson I learned, Yeah, you will, that's what is Chris rockday the most powerful thing in the world. Uh yeah, that's probably another story for another time. But I remember there's a long road trip where all of a sudden they were there was can you get me to these stats. She likes stats. Who we had, what we sty and then remember that, hey we got these stats. We got to have a statistician on the road. In those days, I gave you money like a you know, you can give money to a statistician. And I had come from doing college football on ABC, where they would have these sort of nonsense jobs that they would pick out, shall we say, students that went to that university, maybe to sit in the truck, uh and lightly lightly So this is the environment I came up with. So they offered me three different people. These are three different people that could do stats for you that night, and I made a choice, probably based not so much on who might the best statistician be, but maybe some other intangible qualities. As it turns out, I don't think she could have spelled cat if he spotted of the C in the eighth. But and so that was a bit of a struggle and a bit of a life lesson. I think we all learned as a younger. But this is what happened. Remember that he doesn't remember the Mr Stoll. You look, I can't tell you when it was. I can't day that just October happened? That was it? What were you thinking. I know, we just heard what Sean was thinking during those first couple of games, that like this, this could work us being next to each other. What were you thinking we had a good relationship and you know, and what were what he was doing and his style because as an analyst on the other side, you are pretty much you always say you are the accent, You're the salt and pepper for what the other guys doing. And what Sean does is he has a way of telling you a story. And then what I do is I add the catch up. I had the mustard, I add the pickles and all those things. He puts the main meat and potatoes out there, and that's what I do. I follow up with that and he's and that's that is what makes us. I don't try to get in his lane, and nor does he try to try to get in my lane, and and and trying to tell stories like that. I have more. I just waited just because I think, no the faces that I think it's become one lane, Okay. I I have he has stories. I have stories, stories which might accent a certain things that might have happened, and Sean will tell you what happened and I can tell you a story that might have been with Tommy, could have been with Robert Parrish, could have been with could have been with Larry Bird. And I think that our listeners a lot of times like to have that connection. If he tells a story, I might tell you something about Paul Pierce, when Paul Pierce first got here, and those guys that I knew at that time, like Jason Tatum. I will always have my Jason Tatum story. Jason Tatum didn't really know who I was, but Jason's hatum saw thirty for thirty and so that day he comes. I remember that he's geting ready to shoot around, and I'm standing there. He goes corn bread, corn bread, corn Breason. But what's what's wrong with you? Man? He said, Man, I saw that thirty for thirty two times. Damn you were bad and just a few more choice words. But those stories will stay with me. But that's been my connection with the players that we have now and the players that we've had in the past, and my connection with you know, Kevin Garnett and Sean and I saw some stuff on the plane which you just have been just surreal. When you think we can't talk about No you can't. Actually, well, you're keeping on the hunted, ain't you. Hell yeah, you're keeping on the hunt. Talk about it. This is behind the scenes with the Boston Celtics. That's part of the name of this podcast. So let's go. If you want to drop something, you know, part of you're talking about my memory whatever part of my memory now is that I have a lot of his memory in my memory. So I know when there's a time to tell us kind of time tell us story. Well, listen, let's face it, this is the longest relationship be the one of us has ever had. So uh you after years of hearing the stories and telling the stories, you know what what fits and that's why we can is I like to say, you guys, you just you finishes each other's and I'm like sandwiches. But you get the point that it just becomes a natural. We don't need to have a four hour production meeting to go on the air, and good luck every game. I know, I don't think we've had four hours worth of production meetings in twenty two years. If you were to add them all up about four minutes. I think that it's just there's there's a best broadcaster. Best broadcast are people who naturally get together and understand what they're doing, and it's not contrived because you can tell people who have studied and I and I learned this from over the years as I was going through broadcasting, that I could get all the notes I want, But if those notes don't fit what he's talking about, it's going to be awkward for me to get those notes into a certain area. And you can't just can't want to. You want to use those notes. You studied and you did this, and oh this guy choos a certain percent, you might not even be able to use that. So that's why I, Tommy Hinson said, let the story tell itself, yall, you don't need them for the other guy. This is a chase, Tommy that once got Max on the front page of the Boston Hell. How long did it take for you each to like understand each other on air? Did it happen immediately? Did it happen a couple of years immediately? That's the reason I refer to that for a world trip and what might have been it sounds like, but I think it was casting. People say this guy is a great actor, this woman is a great actor. And I'm not demeaning the acting profession, but I think that casting doesn't get into as much credit as it deserves. That this was a casting decision and it just worked out to where we on the surface our opposite in a lot of ways, but that's we We fit together, you know, we have, as I always the first couple of years ago together you had the older guy from North Carolina who listened to James Taylor, and you had the younger guy, the younger white guy who listened to Jay Z right, and so we have such opposite, such different backgrounds, but it fits together immediately. And let's let's face it, any broadcast team that works, any show that works inside the NBA, whatever it is, at the end of the day, you have people who love each other who may just batter living hell out of each other while they're on the air, because that's part of the game. But it's just chemistry. It doesn't think that's it. It's chemistry that sometimes you just can't pick. I mean, it's like playing with Larry. There was a chemistry there that I had when I first played with Larry that nobody that I was. And I look at Jason Tatum right now, and not look at Brown and they have a great chemistry together, but they had to forge it, yea. And they talked about it enough. It was I came in. I was a leading scorer for Larry got here and Larry Burr comes in the first day of practice, I'm like, come on, just still my show got to be still my show. After that that day, I remember going to the first minute. This was not my prejudice. Side walked to the first black person I could see after that practice said you know what, that white guy can play that. And that was But it taught me a lesson about getting roles. But it gives you an opportunity, and this was I would say to Tatum more to Brown. I'd say to Brown more than Tatum. And the fact that you're going to get your opportunities that you can highlight your talent. And that would be evident to me being the finals MVP. When you had Larry Bird on the court, he had Kevin mckill there, you had Robert Parish, you had all these uh Nate Archibald, but these were all Hall of FAMERUS top seventy five of all time. But still I got an opportunity to be an MVP in the finals because of the opportunity that was presented itself to me. We're talking about chemistry, finding roles, all that stuff, and that you guys have kind of just fallen into it with one another since the start, which begs the question, how challenging has it been this season when you don't have him all the time, when he doesn't have you all the time, and you guys kind of have to figure it out with other people On Aaron and Sean, you're with Brian Scalabrini and Max here with John Wallack, Like, how much of a challenge has that been with you guys not having each other for half the games this season? I'm curious your as I've got a good name now, I'll go ahead let you I'll let you go for Sean, I feel that first of all, as we're talking now, it's twenty twenty three. At the end of this year, I think this has been the best year. This has been my personal favorite year of the twenty two years i've been here, because it's been a new energy. We brought a different feel to the TV side. My number one role has been able to spell Mike so that Mike doesn't have to do seventy freaking games and hopefully his run and go on and on and on. If he doesn't have to do seventy games a year, that would be the perfect scenario. And then I think it is added. I think Max and I have had as good a year as we have ever had because now we're doing sixty games instead of eighty five or ninety. And as I have tried to explain to my wife, the lesson is going outside and being with somebody else for a little while and coming back it can be even better. Now she hasn't not Dana. Something tells me Dana doesn't leave well yet. But I figure if I if I just keep hammering it where I think, well, the real the lesson to me of twenty twenty three is that it's what I've really felt all along, which is that Brandy and Max, Mike, scal Abby, Eddie, we're all interchangeable exactly. We can all pretty much do everything. We could all set over like, Okay, this is the year I've done TV. Max had several years where he was filling in regularly on TV and I was doing I was with different people you know that would fill in on radio side, and the Max can do that. I loved it when he was over there because it was it put us light on him. You put a spotlight on the Grandy and Max Brent. Oh, if you like, it's the same thing now if you like Grandy, Oh, he does this every night. You don't understand. People come up to us and they say they always have an excuse as some crazy thing happened. That's why they had to listen. Oh, the power went out in my house. I had to listen to you guys. Stuck in the car, I had to listen to you guys. I'm like, we do this every night. We're here every single night for your entertainment. You don't have what you can join us at any time. But I think that this year has just punctuated what I thought, which is that it's one big team that's interchangeable and listen mask you go on TV tomorrow. Obviously I can do TV. But it's it's nice that we've all gotten to share different things. I think it's been a great year for us because it's been a little juicier when we're together because we're doing sixty games now and not nighty Well had to I like, um, the said the energy of it, and Sean said, sometimes the excuse, but sometimes people just like radio. Now that's been a that's been a staple here in Boston for a long time. U people will still tell me the day, you know, I will turn the radio. I would turn the TV to sound down to hear him how the radio goes. And obviously it's two different mediums that you're in. Had a guy the other day. Sean talks about excuses, but this guy didn't have excuse. He says, well, you know, we're in we're in Walpole, we're in the prison down there, and uh man, we love you guys every night, I said, because it's our bedtime and turn the TV off and we listened to you. So I think it's obviously different audience. I love them. I love the guy. We had one time and I was talking about something and I told Sean and Sean was telling me about the guy who listened to us all the time in Australia, and so you think, like he's listening that whatever it is in the morning to us, and we would talk to him and that he would text Sean back and I always Sean was and Sean is also the other thing about him was. He was on top of all the tweeting, texting, all that stuff, you know, once it got started. Sean also informed me about his opinion about when they were Celtics about to make a trade for Kevin Garnett, which I did not like and Tommy Heinson did not like. And we were both like, you're gonna cheer with him, You're gonna get al Al Jefferson, you're gonna get rid of him. I was gonna whoa, no, no, whoa. And Tommy Hinson, I quit quit right now if they get rid of Al Jefferson. Qu And Sean said to me said, you don't know, you do not know how good he is. I'm like, what, the dude's an older guy, man, isn't It can't be that. And he makes the first first exhibition game, he makes this wrap around pass throwing it to Paul Pierced around his back, and I went, well, Al, it was nice to take your parting gift because you're out of here and fell in love with, you know, Kevin Garnett, the big ticket and you know, to bring a championship and to you know, to talk to him, and even somewhat mentor mentor did some mentoring to him. I think that you and I won and I think, uh, we were doing a podcast and you were talking to him about you know, Kevin and Paul were on together, and I remember You're looking at me and I said, hey, Kevin, when you're gonna bring Ray back? And you went to me like, WHOA wait a minute. This was this was a few years ago, years ago. It was before that time was seemed to be ready, and it was ready. It was it was being prepped and it was ready. And then talking to him, it was it was really good. And then to finally see those guys together that hug to me when they retired Kevin's number and Ray walked out on the floor, that might be one of the most lasting moments I think I have with the Celtics. Maybe ever it was it Paul Pierce screwed it up when he went out there and gave the third I didn't want that, but I could have. I could have just sat there and watched those two guys embrace. And I'm not not, you know, hey whatever this thing, but men embracing. But I was still fascinated about the energy, the power Kevin Garnett bringing them up on stage, Ray Ray, come on up here, boy, you next that man. That was one of the best moments that I felt like I had a hand in that by telling Kevin, yeah, you're the godfather, man, you got to bring Ray back a live nah man. I don't want said no, you got to do that. And I think in his mind maybe it wasn't just me, but I'm sure a lot of people have said the same thing. The hold he has over people and the magnitude of him as a player and a person I don't think people appreciate. And then was pushedback when Kevin Garnett first got here because you can't say about anything about Larry or any of the other Celtics. Same thing's happening with Jason Tatum right now because Jason Tatum every night is breaking some Lowry Bird record and people are pretty oh, Larry didn't shoot the threes and he didn't. Then John half a check, John Hapchick played forty seven minutes a game, so yeah, he was gonna put it. So everyone just pushes back. But then when it comes to Jason Tatum Knight, twenty years from now, they'll be everybody to be complete. Well, Duce isn't as good as as JT. You know, he's as jac was great in the play, and that's sort of the nature of it. But man Kevin Gren at night was I'd never seen Ray Allen and Bryan Scalabrini, two guys that don't get nervous about anything, and they were both nervous. That was even now, the hold he has on people, it's something that was more than a dap. That was like a hug that really meant something. There was just so much more than you could have imagined. It shook the building, it did to his foundation. Yeah, I mean I think the Celtics lost that night, right Dallas, Yeah, lost that night. We don't do well on retirement. I don't think that. I don't. Yeah, I don't remember. I just just remembered the energy once he stepped out on the floor and you and I was just happy that they did it. I think Larry did it. Larry's was a whole another way, when they just had a whole day for l They just came in, it wasn't even the game and they came in and they said, everybody down and we all were here, and this championship team and that championship team. It was such a cool moment, and I was happy that they had Kevin Garnett for at least after the game where everybody could give him the love. Paul Pierce, same thing, because you know, I had my mind was like, Okay, here's your jersey going up. All right, you're right, you know, I was waiting to get on the courts to start the second half. It was the first person that came up to me after my jersey was retired and said, dude, man, they said, and it was it was so and I felt like so special that he took his time to do that because he was startlingest Lee at that time. And to acknowledge me like that, to acknowledge me like that, man, it was the coolest thing from a person who was of the opposition. This conversation, Mark, this is Mike and Tommy, Grandy and Max. This is institutional memory because if you haven't been here, the significance of Kevin Garnett being there at Max's retirement, Kevin Garnett eventually coming here, the bond with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce watching that break apart the many years are trying to get everybody back together, and before you know it, people are coming up to you, going, hey, I used to listen to you guys when I was in high school. I used to listen to you guys. And then you realize, okay, because you're listening. We're all older than we think we are. But you realize the body of work it matters to me in sports, I've done a lot of national stuff and it's great and it's prestigious, But being the announcer for a team and telling a team story and then being able to do it for multiple years, and being able to do it for one of the most story franchises, there is a responsibility that comes with that. That, to me is what is so important that you are. It's a shared experience that when people turn on a game without turning on TV or radio or whatever, and they hear one of us or both of us together, whatever it is, that that matters. I got. I gotta ask you, though, why wasn't it ready that Kevin Garnett conversation and ray at that time? When well, sometimes within the walls of where you're working, you gotta you gotta follow some direction, and at that time, it just didn't feel organizationally that we were there yet. I just jumped out in and you just jumped out and I was like, oh, dear god, oh we're never getting KG again. No, but it worked out and and you know, in hindsight, I'm glad that you did that because that might have been one of the first real nudgees. And it was kind of it wasn't like public, but it was in front of people who were on the call um. I think it might have helped it. Did it did? And I say that only because and I wasn't trying to splat just splash man. Yeah, but it was just at that time, to me, you had Kevin in a situation we had to respond on and had to respond in time. And it wasn't one of the said he got a chance. Oh man, I didn't. I'm not sure. I don't want no, no, no, no, no, no no no. You are that dude, right, you're the guyfather and you're gonna bring this thing back together. And when it happened, man, it was like I said, I was, I was a static, But I remember the look on your face more than anything else once I ask it. We never we've never actually talked about this before, but I was like, oh, oh no, that's funny that you noticed. I'm sure everyone else did too. Took the light rather whoa no. No. This is the both the beauty and the danger of being granted Max, which is that we you never know where you tend to talk about things when listen, everything happened at the start of this year and there was a coaching change. I thought to go on the air and say, hey, Joe Missoula just called a time out without acknowledging what had just happened and what we'd all been through. I think that there's sort of the advantage of being not in this building twenty four to seven that you've got to be able to you're connected to the audience, and we felt we owed the audience a conversation. So we record a ten minute thing and we put it online and we said our piece because we always have no matter what it is that's affecting the team or affecting the NBA, and we just went through you know this, the pandemic situation in black Lives matter, and you just cannot we all have to share these experiences. Couldn't be together, you couldn't be blind to that. And I think that we understood where the organization was. What Emay and what happened. But for you just to turn the page without acknowledging would not have been respectful to your listener, to a viewer, I think that without just saying something about it, and and I think that we on that radio site get a little bit more liberty to talk about it than Mike, for sure, or Scale would because it's a different medium when we get a chance to talk. Where I was telling they got a thousand commercials, so very seldom they get a chance to talk about anything and you and this and that and the gameplay, and whereas we have a little bit more to Sean's favorite part, Yeah TV said, it's like, yeah, this three in the Air is brought to you by listen. We're running out of time. We got to rap here. But I'd be remiss not to ask Sean thirty seconds to describe to all of our listeners Max's multitasking abilities during a broadcast. It's extraordinary. I've never seen anyone be able to learn so much more about the world outside of basketball while a basketball game was going on than Max. I've I've learned just I've learned more things about the animal kingdom and just different he has life outside the NBA outside of basketball, and I'm lucky enough I get all immersed in all the numbers right and the preparation so to be able to look over during Max Er in the second quarter of a game instead of being able to try to pronounce the starting center for the San Antone Spurs watching some yeah YouTube video about what a snake eating a pig or whatever it is. Um Listen said, you a better person for absolutely. Did you happen to Sean did you happen to know over in Africa that you know who kills the most people over there? I said, hippos, He's like lions. They're like, no, he was killed more people than than anything else over in Africa. And here's really here's where that paid off. One of our first years together. We're playing the Jazz and at the end of the Stockton I don't know where I'll tell you why. That's what I do. The end of the I didn't get her back, And you know, I think Mike's the only one going to the Hall of Fame. So Stockton them alone are still playing for Utah, right, And at the end, Max is trying to come up with some analogy about that, and he's got all these wild Kingdom stuff, and he goes, let's just hope that, you know, let's John Stockton a Carmelone. Now they're just not the same. They're kind of like the old lions and they would you say, they send them out to the hyenies, send them out outcast to the you know, where they get eaten by the hyaenes. And I just pause for a second. I said, we can only hope a similar fate. It's not a wait. Karl Malone and John Stockton there, it was perfect. I wish that I was listening that day. That's perfect. No. Sometimes I'm two or three rows behind you guys, and I'm just watching what Max is doing, and I'm like, this is unbelievable. When he's able to accomplish during this game, he's winning game after game in Solitaire, or he's learning about the Animal Kingdom, the multitasking ability is top notch. Along along way, eating every now and then a little bit of food shows that Sean has asked me before. That's something I drank a good Did you just burp? I'm like, yeah, I did. That's a real broadcast. All right, Well, that's a perfect mic drop for the end of this no, congratulations to you guys. You gotta we gotta get you out of here so you can go and call your two thousand something game to tell me I'll just go to work. I'll tell you when I get down there. But no, we appreciate the time. Congrats to the career that you guys have built together there on the radio, and we can't wait to hear them any more of them, so appreciate you coming on. Thank you. H

Welcome everyone. This is view from the rafters today. We're bringing in a man who hails from basketball country life is funny. Okay, go don't go there. Not yet. Well we talked about it that po the Bust One Boys is the crazy story, not actor a basketball It's the crazy thing to me. It's like where you came from. Yeah, we're all older than we think. We are always Gold League Gray Baby, Welcome inside the Celtics front office at one hundred Causeway Street. We got another episode of you from the Rafts coming right at you today. Before we get into this with Cedric maximum Sean Grandy, who have called what two thousands something games together, I don't know who's doing the math on that was you. You're the one adding them up with you going sixteen eighty one, sixteen eighty two, sixteen. Who's doing it? I can tell you who didn't added though, I can tell you two people. I lost count already, So what do we had two thousand? Like I didn't. I wasn't keep accounting the first place. I just show up to work, all right. Well, before we get into that, I just want to remind everyone give us a great review and subscribe. We appreciate it. Audio episodes job and every Tuesday on your favorite podcast platform, and the video version dropping every Wednesday on our YouTube channel. So, as I said today, we've got the pair who's called more games together than any pairing in Celtics history. Am I right on that? That's what we're told. In fact that when they when they told me this, the number thing is kind of silly. And Max and I we're already joking about it. You can't win that when you're a numbers guy. But here the thing is, I'm not a numbers guy. Oh okay, that's the thing. It's like I do my research and share it. Yeah, because I'm a play by play guy right now. This is so this is the funniest thing in the world to me. Like, in doing play by play, you have to prepare. It's called preparation. Yes, you prepare for the games. I share my prep because now we have social media, so I share the prep with fans and then people who don't listen to the games, that don't watch the games that apparently I've done two thousand radio games with Max and another god knows how many hundreds of games on TV and the NBA and this and that suddenly I'm a numbers guy. It's a play by play guy because I share mine. No, you're a play by play guy who has the numbers. I have them there at twenty something years, two thousand games. Yeah, a bunch of numbers. And he would give you numbers throughout the game. It would give you percentages of Celtics they have a ninety eight percent. But they lost or this team did, and not sitting down, I'm just like, oh, really, so I've just found out that Sean does have numbers, and I think that is to me. I'm fascinated by his numbers. More so I think I told Sean this. I said, more fascinated about Sean Grandy the broadcaster. When we lose, Sean Grandy maintains energy throughout a call. It could be the call for the other team is like and and he'll say something like and Lebron James, oh my god, what the play? And he finished it going towards the rim and it's the winning play. I'm on the other side going, oh man, damn ye. And then I admire him for that. I can't keep He keeps a certain amount of energy which I which I think is great. And I don't have that energy for the other teams. You didn't have that in Game seven in twenty ten and Los Angeles when the Lakers were about to win the championship, you're saying you didn't. I didn't have the energy. My injurgy was going down and down until our you know, our engineer of a sit beside me telling me all of a sudden max because I was the one supposedly going out to receive the trophy and they've told me I had to go and sup and didn't get the trophy, and and I was like, oh man, this is gonna be great. Celtics up by what fourteen fifteen whatever they want going into that quarter, and my engineer, Doug Lane is sitting there saying, Okay, this is what you have to do when you go in. I got a wireless Mica on your dad, and I'm looking to the score going just going down. But it gets down like six, and he's still talking to me about this. I said, you shut a shut up mouth right now, and and to see the eventually, you know, you see what Ron Artest does and win the game. Why are we taking well, I'm going to do it for this is what I do because that moment prepared him for thirteen years later standing next to Lisa Salters in Miami with the Eastern Conference trophy, and so everything comes for not really, I've turned making an Those can't be a good story. We always do real stories. It's like my podcast, we say keeping on the Hunted, it would have been better doing the final and Lisa and Lisia Salters was it was a it was a good get to get down there and do it. I had to run through the crowd because the game wasn't over because if we kept missing all these shots. Sean had a great call, He's prepared, and Marcus Mark takes it three and this Marcus gets a and then and then finally you know when, and now I have to get down through the crowd to get down there to see the Lisa Salters and the first year you're high up in Miami. Yeah, and I and the guy, this guy's busting me through the crowd because he's the he's the guy who has to take me. So as I get down to the bottom and finally get through the crowd, and I remember sitting there saying that I was like, well, am I gonna say? Because they give you a few words to say, and she has a microphone and she's like, well, Ceter Maxwell, Founder's MVP. You're receiving this troph here and and and still today people said I said some things were not correct. I said, girl, it is great being on top. And some people took offense of that line. I said, I was talking about the game. I was, so, you know, even then, even Dan Sean Grandy heads this flying, which I love, he always says, no good deed goes u punished. So I busted this crowd to do all this and get that to the microphones. All of a sudden I get back lash because something that supposedly I say it, though it didn't say speaking of no good deed goes unpunished. With Grandy, Max, you always get a hundred, right, you always get keep it in a hundred. But if both of us found out in real life with your wife, if you keep it one hundred, that's how you end up with fifty fifty stuff. Um, okay, let's let's get back to how this started, because we're talking about this is twenty two seasons, right, if my masters, this is this twenty second season of you guys, remember two John has told me it's my twenty six years always twenty eight dude, twenty eight man, I gotta get me. I'm gonna say I got an easy one. Well, I gotta get you on right now with my my consulting that I get retire the rates retire sooner than well. What happened was we I had first broadcast partner. I had Spencer Ross as Spencer for a couple of years, and then they wanted to make a change the guy Howard David, and Howard David came in and I had done the game with Sean. Uh, it's the test that we were talking about. Okay, there's more to the stories. Yeah, he came. He came in. Howard has something to do or something happened, and they brought Sean in and and I, you know, and I did the broadcast and and we had a good broadcast, and I didn't know if I was gonna see Sean again. I said good luck, and the next thing I know, he had gone. He was gone, you know, to Minnesota. And then I think once Howard was let go, they were trying to find and then they came to me and said, well, um got Sean Granty. So I worked with Sean already. He said. Guy said, well, you know, why don't you call him up, you know, you know, tell him to come up. I said, well, give me his number, and I called him and talked. You know, we talked about him coming back, and he was like, yeah, yeah, I came back. And that's how I let Seohan finished press. Well, that that phone call is what first made me changed my mind about leave Minnesota, which I was not going to do. I was doing TV in Minnesota. I was twenty something years old. You know, it seemed like a job I was going to be in for a long time. But here's something you want, something that has never been said on the air before that I've never talked about as they do. When the change was made that Max was just referring to to Howard David in nineteen ninety seven, six months earlier, that job had been promised to me at twenty five years old. I was going to join Max in nineteen ninety seven to become the voice of the radio voice of the Celtics. And then a funny thing happened. Rick Petino arrived and suddenly the profile changed, and suddenly this is going to be a glamor franchise under Rick Pettino, and they didn't want a twenty five year old kid. Yeah, that's kind of kind of the point. Now, that's funny. And as you like saying about Marty Glickman, he is gone. I am here and he is not. But at twenty five years old. That was for about four or five months, that was the plan that who knows, Rick might be back. He was overseased, yeah, but in any case, uh. And then when that got renegged from me, obviously I was not happy, and I was going to take the first job that came in. A year later, Minnesota TV job came and I went and did that before that in that ninety seven ninety eight season before I went to Minnesota. That was the night the Howard David who was doing Monday Night Football and the Celtics, he got snowed in and he didn't get snowed in Miami, but he couldn't get back to Boston because it was snow in Boston. Flight wasn't going to get here. And they walked into my little booth that I did the updates and Max. Max and I are first on air together. Was actually on Glenn Ordway's show in the late nineties because Max was one of the rotating co hosts that we would have come in with Glenn Ordway and I did my little character, my little anti establishment Generation X character. So that was the first time I worked with Max. So I'm in my booth. They came into four o'clock in the afternoon, they said, get over to the garden. You're doing the game tonight, and about an hour or later, the aforementioned Rick Petino. I'm like, Jeff Twist marches me into the office and there I am face to face doing a interview with Rick Potino and Seltics played that night and one and Max and I had a w was December twenty three, it's Christmas, um and he didn't know numbers though I didn't have anything. That's what I'm thinking. He he you know what I see where you're king. No. No, he can repeat things to me, which to me is amazing. When he says memory, he'll say two thousand and no, when that happened two thousand and eight, yeah, or photograph that happened two thousand and eight and that was And I was like, oh, yeah, they get in. He always gets told me for saying the other day. I'll say the other day in the heartbeat two years ago, could be yesterday. I don't know the day, so he does, well, that's not again. Those are numbers. That's a memory. And yeah, I remember. I have a bizarre thing that has aided me in my career, and that I know that in the two thousand and three, two thousand and fourth season, when the Celtics lost that lead to Brooklyn earlier this year, I remembered the game against Phoenix and they had lost with Marbury Insttomar and I remember that we flew couldn't fly out the next day because of a snowstorm, and they won back to back games at Utah at Denver that night, and then we went to Salt Lake the next night Celtics won again. I remember all that. Where are my car keys? No idea, But I have you all this useless information of institutional memory, which I realized now they call it that because you're gonna end up in an institution, because you can't forget all of this. You have a great memory, and numbers just happened to fall into that, if you say so. All right, So getting back to those first couple of games that you guys, it was kind of like a test run. And yeah, and when I went to Minnesota, I filled in. They called me when I was doing it, called on the phone, they called press Row. This is how old school this is. Can you get down to Sacramento because Howard David couldn't do a game in Sacramento And I met Max down there. So we had done a couple of games together. But I'm doing TV in Minnesota, so funny to me and people are like, oh, you're doing TV this year. You're you're You're good at TV. I'm like, I was kind of doing it twenty five years ago. But when Max called me, I thought, not just the games we had done, but his style. I thought this could be a thing like this could be a long running thing that fits together. And I remember vividly we had a long preseason road trip. Max will tell you about the statistician that we had in the Rock, Arkansas that I picked out another life lesson I learned, Yeah, you will, that's what is Chris rockday the most powerful thing in the world. Uh yeah, that's probably another story for another time. But I remember there's a long road trip where all of a sudden they were there was can you get me to these stats. She likes stats. Who we had, what we sty and then remember that, hey we got these stats. We got to have a statistician on the road. In those days, I gave you money like a you know, you can give money to a statistician. And I had come from doing college football on ABC, where they would have these sort of nonsense jobs that they would pick out, shall we say, students that went to that university, maybe to sit in the truck, uh and lightly lightly So this is the environment I came up with. So they offered me three different people. These are three different people that could do stats for you that night, and I made a choice, probably based not so much on who might the best statistician be, but maybe some other intangible qualities. As it turns out, I don't think she could have spelled cat if he spotted of the C in the eighth. But and so that was a bit of a struggle and a bit of a life lesson. I think we all learned as a younger. But this is what happened. Remember that he doesn't remember the Mr Stoll. You look, I can't tell you when it was. I can't day that just October happened? That was it? What were you thinking. I know, we just heard what Sean was thinking during those first couple of games, that like this, this could work us being next to each other. What were you thinking we had a good relationship and you know, and what were what he was doing and his style because as an analyst on the other side, you are pretty much you always say you are the accent, You're the salt and pepper for what the other guys doing. And what Sean does is he has a way of telling you a story. And then what I do is I add the catch up. I had the mustard, I add the pickles and all those things. He puts the main meat and potatoes out there, and that's what I do. I follow up with that and he's and that's that is what makes us. I don't try to get in his lane, and nor does he try to try to get in my lane, and and and trying to tell stories like that. I have more. I just waited just because I think, no the faces that I think it's become one lane, Okay. I I have he has stories. I have stories, stories which might accent a certain things that might have happened, and Sean will tell you what happened and I can tell you a story that might have been with Tommy, could have been with Robert Parrish, could have been with could have been with Larry Bird. And I think that our listeners a lot of times like to have that connection. If he tells a story, I might tell you something about Paul Pierce, when Paul Pierce first got here, and those guys that I knew at that time, like Jason Tatum. I will always have my Jason Tatum story. Jason Tatum didn't really know who I was, but Jason's hatum saw thirty for thirty and so that day he comes. I remember that he's geting ready to shoot around, and I'm standing there. He goes corn bread, corn bread, corn Breason. But what's what's wrong with you? Man? He said, Man, I saw that thirty for thirty two times. Damn you were bad and just a few more choice words. But those stories will stay with me. But that's been my connection with the players that we have now and the players that we've had in the past, and my connection with you know, Kevin Garnett and Sean and I saw some stuff on the plane which you just have been just surreal. When you think we can't talk about No you can't. Actually, well, you're keeping on the hunted, ain't you. Hell yeah, you're keeping on the hunt. Talk about it. This is behind the scenes with the Boston Celtics. That's part of the name of this podcast. So let's go. If you want to drop something, you know, part of you're talking about my memory whatever part of my memory now is that I have a lot of his memory in my memory. So I know when there's a time to tell us kind of time tell us story. Well, listen, let's face it, this is the longest relationship be the one of us has ever had. So uh you after years of hearing the stories and telling the stories, you know what what fits and that's why we can is I like to say, you guys, you just you finishes each other's and I'm like sandwiches. But you get the point that it just becomes a natural. We don't need to have a four hour production meeting to go on the air, and good luck every game. I know, I don't think we've had four hours worth of production meetings in twenty two years. If you were to add them all up about four minutes. I think that it's just there's there's a best broadcaster. Best broadcast are people who naturally get together and understand what they're doing, and it's not contrived because you can tell people who have studied and I and I learned this from over the years as I was going through broadcasting, that I could get all the notes I want, But if those notes don't fit what he's talking about, it's going to be awkward for me to get those notes into a certain area. And you can't just can't want to. You want to use those notes. You studied and you did this, and oh this guy choos a certain percent, you might not even be able to use that. So that's why I, Tommy Hinson said, let the story tell itself, yall, you don't need them for the other guy. This is a chase, Tommy that once got Max on the front page of the Boston Hell. How long did it take for you each to like understand each other on air? Did it happen immediately? Did it happen a couple of years immediately? That's the reason I refer to that for a world trip and what might have been it sounds like, but I think it was casting. People say this guy is a great actor, this woman is a great actor. And I'm not demeaning the acting profession, but I think that casting doesn't get into as much credit as it deserves. That this was a casting decision and it just worked out to where we on the surface our opposite in a lot of ways, but that's we We fit together, you know, we have, as I always the first couple of years ago together you had the older guy from North Carolina who listened to James Taylor, and you had the younger guy, the younger white guy who listened to Jay Z right, and so we have such opposite, such different backgrounds, but it fits together immediately. And let's let's face it, any broadcast team that works, any show that works inside the NBA, whatever it is, at the end of the day, you have people who love each other who may just batter living hell out of each other while they're on the air, because that's part of the game. But it's just chemistry. It doesn't think that's it. It's chemistry that sometimes you just can't pick. I mean, it's like playing with Larry. There was a chemistry there that I had when I first played with Larry that nobody that I was. And I look at Jason Tatum right now, and not look at Brown and they have a great chemistry together, but they had to forge it, yea. And they talked about it enough. It was I came in. I was a leading scorer for Larry got here and Larry Burr comes in the first day of practice, I'm like, come on, just still my show got to be still my show. After that that day, I remember going to the first minute. This was not my prejudice. Side walked to the first black person I could see after that practice said you know what, that white guy can play that. And that was But it taught me a lesson about getting roles. But it gives you an opportunity, and this was I would say to Tatum more to Brown. I'd say to Brown more than Tatum. And the fact that you're going to get your opportunities that you can highlight your talent. And that would be evident to me being the finals MVP. When you had Larry Bird on the court, he had Kevin mckill there, you had Robert Parish, you had all these uh Nate Archibald, but these were all Hall of FAMERUS top seventy five of all time. But still I got an opportunity to be an MVP in the finals because of the opportunity that was presented itself to me. We're talking about chemistry, finding roles, all that stuff, and that you guys have kind of just fallen into it with one another since the start, which begs the question, how challenging has it been this season when you don't have him all the time, when he doesn't have you all the time, and you guys kind of have to figure it out with other people On Aaron and Sean, you're with Brian Scalabrini and Max here with John Wallack, Like, how much of a challenge has that been with you guys not having each other for half the games this season? I'm curious your as I've got a good name now, I'll go ahead let you I'll let you go for Sean, I feel that first of all, as we're talking now, it's twenty twenty three. At the end of this year, I think this has been the best year. This has been my personal favorite year of the twenty two years i've been here, because it's been a new energy. We brought a different feel to the TV side. My number one role has been able to spell Mike so that Mike doesn't have to do seventy freaking games and hopefully his run and go on and on and on. If he doesn't have to do seventy games a year, that would be the perfect scenario. And then I think it is added. I think Max and I have had as good a year as we have ever had because now we're doing sixty games instead of eighty five or ninety. And as I have tried to explain to my wife, the lesson is going outside and being with somebody else for a little while and coming back it can be even better. Now she hasn't not Dana. Something tells me Dana doesn't leave well yet. But I figure if I if I just keep hammering it where I think, well, the real the lesson to me of twenty twenty three is that it's what I've really felt all along, which is that Brandy and Max, Mike, scal Abby, Eddie, we're all interchangeable exactly. We can all pretty much do everything. We could all set over like, Okay, this is the year I've done TV. Max had several years where he was filling in regularly on TV and I was doing I was with different people you know that would fill in on radio side, and the Max can do that. I loved it when he was over there because it was it put us light on him. You put a spotlight on the Grandy and Max Brent. Oh, if you like, it's the same thing now if you like Grandy, Oh, he does this every night. You don't understand. People come up to us and they say they always have an excuse as some crazy thing happened. That's why they had to listen. Oh, the power went out in my house. I had to listen to you guys. Stuck in the car, I had to listen to you guys. I'm like, we do this every night. We're here every single night for your entertainment. You don't have what you can join us at any time. But I think that this year has just punctuated what I thought, which is that it's one big team that's interchangeable and listen mask you go on TV tomorrow. Obviously I can do TV. But it's it's nice that we've all gotten to share different things. I think it's been a great year for us because it's been a little juicier when we're together because we're doing sixty games now and not nighty Well had to I like, um, the said the energy of it, and Sean said, sometimes the excuse, but sometimes people just like radio. Now that's been a that's been a staple here in Boston for a long time. U people will still tell me the day, you know, I will turn the radio. I would turn the TV to sound down to hear him how the radio goes. And obviously it's two different mediums that you're in. Had a guy the other day. Sean talks about excuses, but this guy didn't have excuse. He says, well, you know, we're in we're in Walpole, we're in the prison down there, and uh man, we love you guys every night, I said, because it's our bedtime and turn the TV off and we listened to you. So I think it's obviously different audience. I love them. I love the guy. We had one time and I was talking about something and I told Sean and Sean was telling me about the guy who listened to us all the time in Australia, and so you think, like he's listening that whatever it is in the morning to us, and we would talk to him and that he would text Sean back and I always Sean was and Sean is also the other thing about him was. He was on top of all the tweeting, texting, all that stuff, you know, once it got started. Sean also informed me about his opinion about when they were Celtics about to make a trade for Kevin Garnett, which I did not like and Tommy Heinson did not like. And we were both like, you're gonna cheer with him, You're gonna get al Al Jefferson, you're gonna get rid of him. I was gonna whoa, no, no, whoa. And Tommy Hinson, I quit quit right now if they get rid of Al Jefferson. Qu And Sean said to me said, you don't know, you do not know how good he is. I'm like, what, the dude's an older guy, man, isn't It can't be that. And he makes the first first exhibition game, he makes this wrap around pass throwing it to Paul Pierced around his back, and I went, well, Al, it was nice to take your parting gift because you're out of here and fell in love with, you know, Kevin Garnett, the big ticket and you know, to bring a championship and to you know, to talk to him, and even somewhat mentor mentor did some mentoring to him. I think that you and I won and I think, uh, we were doing a podcast and you were talking to him about you know, Kevin and Paul were on together, and I remember You're looking at me and I said, hey, Kevin, when you're gonna bring Ray back? And you went to me like, WHOA wait a minute. This was this was a few years ago, years ago. It was before that time was seemed to be ready, and it was ready. It was it was being prepped and it was ready. And then talking to him, it was it was really good. And then to finally see those guys together that hug to me when they retired Kevin's number and Ray walked out on the floor, that might be one of the most lasting moments I think I have with the Celtics. Maybe ever it was it Paul Pierce screwed it up when he went out there and gave the third I didn't want that, but I could have. I could have just sat there and watched those two guys embrace. And I'm not not, you know, hey whatever this thing, but men embracing. But I was still fascinated about the energy, the power Kevin Garnett bringing them up on stage, Ray Ray, come on up here, boy, you next that man. That was one of the best moments that I felt like I had a hand in that by telling Kevin, yeah, you're the godfather, man, you got to bring Ray back a live nah man. I don't want said no, you got to do that. And I think in his mind maybe it wasn't just me, but I'm sure a lot of people have said the same thing. The hold he has over people and the magnitude of him as a player and a person I don't think people appreciate. And then was pushedback when Kevin Garnett first got here because you can't say about anything about Larry or any of the other Celtics. Same thing's happening with Jason Tatum right now because Jason Tatum every night is breaking some Lowry Bird record and people are pretty oh, Larry didn't shoot the threes and he didn't. Then John half a check, John Hapchick played forty seven minutes a game, so yeah, he was gonna put it. So everyone just pushes back. But then when it comes to Jason Tatum Knight, twenty years from now, they'll be everybody to be complete. Well, Duce isn't as good as as JT. You know, he's as jac was great in the play, and that's sort of the nature of it. But man Kevin Gren at night was I'd never seen Ray Allen and Bryan Scalabrini, two guys that don't get nervous about anything, and they were both nervous. That was even now, the hold he has on people, it's something that was more than a dap. That was like a hug that really meant something. There was just so much more than you could have imagined. It shook the building, it did to his foundation. Yeah, I mean I think the Celtics lost that night, right Dallas, Yeah, lost that night. We don't do well on retirement. I don't think that. I don't. Yeah, I don't remember. I just just remembered the energy once he stepped out on the floor and you and I was just happy that they did it. I think Larry did it. Larry's was a whole another way, when they just had a whole day for l They just came in, it wasn't even the game and they came in and they said, everybody down and we all were here, and this championship team and that championship team. It was such a cool moment, and I was happy that they had Kevin Garnett for at least after the game where everybody could give him the love. Paul Pierce, same thing, because you know, I had my mind was like, Okay, here's your jersey going up. All right, you're right, you know, I was waiting to get on the courts to start the second half. It was the first person that came up to me after my jersey was retired and said, dude, man, they said, and it was it was so and I felt like so special that he took his time to do that because he was startlingest Lee at that time. And to acknowledge me like that, to acknowledge me like that, man, it was the coolest thing from a person who was of the opposition. This conversation, Mark, this is Mike and Tommy, Grandy and Max. This is institutional memory because if you haven't been here, the significance of Kevin Garnett being there at Max's retirement, Kevin Garnett eventually coming here, the bond with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce watching that break apart the many years are trying to get everybody back together, and before you know it, people are coming up to you, going, hey, I used to listen to you guys when I was in high school. I used to listen to you guys. And then you realize, okay, because you're listening. We're all older than we think we are. But you realize the body of work it matters to me in sports, I've done a lot of national stuff and it's great and it's prestigious, But being the announcer for a team and telling a team story and then being able to do it for multiple years, and being able to do it for one of the most story franchises, there is a responsibility that comes with that. That, to me is what is so important that you are. It's a shared experience that when people turn on a game without turning on TV or radio or whatever, and they hear one of us or both of us together, whatever it is, that that matters. I got. I gotta ask you, though, why wasn't it ready that Kevin Garnett conversation and ray at that time? When well, sometimes within the walls of where you're working, you gotta you gotta follow some direction, and at that time, it just didn't feel organizationally that we were there yet. I just jumped out in and you just jumped out and I was like, oh, dear god, oh we're never getting KG again. No, but it worked out and and you know, in hindsight, I'm glad that you did that because that might have been one of the first real nudgees. And it was kind of it wasn't like public, but it was in front of people who were on the call um. I think it might have helped it. Did it did? And I say that only because and I wasn't trying to splat just splash man. Yeah, but it was just at that time, to me, you had Kevin in a situation we had to respond on and had to respond in time. And it wasn't one of the said he got a chance. Oh man, I didn't. I'm not sure. I don't want no, no, no, no, no, no no no. You are that dude, right, you're the guyfather and you're gonna bring this thing back together. And when it happened, man, it was like I said, I was, I was a static, But I remember the look on your face more than anything else once I ask it. We never we've never actually talked about this before, but I was like, oh, oh no, that's funny that you noticed. I'm sure everyone else did too. Took the light rather whoa no. No. This is the both the beauty and the danger of being granted Max, which is that we you never know where you tend to talk about things when listen, everything happened at the start of this year and there was a coaching change. I thought to go on the air and say, hey, Joe Missoula just called a time out without acknowledging what had just happened and what we'd all been through. I think that there's sort of the advantage of being not in this building twenty four to seven that you've got to be able to you're connected to the audience, and we felt we owed the audience a conversation. So we record a ten minute thing and we put it online and we said our piece because we always have no matter what it is that's affecting the team or affecting the NBA, and we just went through you know this, the pandemic situation in black Lives matter, and you just cannot we all have to share these experiences. Couldn't be together, you couldn't be blind to that. And I think that we understood where the organization was. What Emay and what happened. But for you just to turn the page without acknowledging would not have been respectful to your listener, to a viewer, I think that without just saying something about it, and and I think that we on that radio site get a little bit more liberty to talk about it than Mike, for sure, or Scale would because it's a different medium when we get a chance to talk. Where I was telling they got a thousand commercials, so very seldom they get a chance to talk about anything and you and this and that and the gameplay, and whereas we have a little bit more to Sean's favorite part, Yeah TV said, it's like, yeah, this three in the Air is brought to you by listen. We're running out of time. We got to rap here. But I'd be remiss not to ask Sean thirty seconds to describe to all of our listeners Max's multitasking abilities during a broadcast. It's extraordinary. I've never seen anyone be able to learn so much more about the world outside of basketball while a basketball game was going on than Max. I've I've learned just I've learned more things about the animal kingdom and just different he has life outside the NBA outside of basketball, and I'm lucky enough I get all immersed in all the numbers right and the preparation so to be able to look over during Max Er in the second quarter of a game instead of being able to try to pronounce the starting center for the San Antone Spurs watching some yeah YouTube video about what a snake eating a pig or whatever it is. Um Listen said, you a better person for absolutely. Did you happen to Sean did you happen to know over in Africa that you know who kills the most people over there? I said, hippos, He's like lions. They're like, no, he was killed more people than than anything else over in Africa. And here's really here's where that paid off. One of our first years together. We're playing the Jazz and at the end of the Stockton I don't know where I'll tell you why. That's what I do. The end of the I didn't get her back, And you know, I think Mike's the only one going to the Hall of Fame. So Stockton them alone are still playing for Utah, right, And at the end, Max is trying to come up with some analogy about that, and he's got all these wild Kingdom stuff, and he goes, let's just hope that, you know, let's John Stockton a Carmelone. Now they're just not the same. They're kind of like the old lions and they would you say, they send them out to the hyenies, send them out outcast to the you know, where they get eaten by the hyaenes. And I just pause for a second. I said, we can only hope a similar fate. It's not a wait. Karl Malone and John Stockton there, it was perfect. I wish that I was listening that day. That's perfect. No. Sometimes I'm two or three rows behind you guys, and I'm just watching what Max is doing, and I'm like, this is unbelievable. When he's able to accomplish during this game, he's winning game after game in Solitaire, or he's learning about the Animal Kingdom, the multitasking ability is top notch. Along along way, eating every now and then a little bit of food shows that Sean has asked me before. That's something I drank a good Did you just burp? I'm like, yeah, I did. That's a real broadcast. All right, Well, that's a perfect mic drop for the end of this no, congratulations to you guys. You gotta we gotta get you out of here so you can go and call your two thousand something game to tell me I'll just go to work. I'll tell you when I get down there. But no, we appreciate the time. Congrats to the career that you guys have built together there on the radio, and we can't wait to hear them any more of them, so appreciate you coming on. Thank you. H