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It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, and this is a special week in Review. We had the awesome opportunity to sit down with Elon Musk at the White House and we did it as a two part series this week. Some of you may have missed it, or you may want to share that with your family and your friends. So if you would do us a favor, because what Elon Musk had to say, we want.

It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, and this is a special week in Review. We had the awesome opportunity to sit down with Elon Musk at the White House and we did it as a two part series this week. Some of you may have missed it, or you may want to share that with your family and your friends. So if you would do us a favor, because what Elon Musk had to say, we want.

Everyone to hear it.

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It's a lot of info the media refuses to cover.

It's a lot of info the media refuses to cover.

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This is the entire interview, uninterrupted with Elon Musk at the White House.

This is the entire interview, uninterrupted with Elon Musk at the White House.

Well, we're in the White House right right now, and we're here with my friend Elon Musk, who really has not been doing much of anything, has not made any news. Is and nobody has noticed. Yeah, the impact.

Well, we're in the White House right right now, and we're here with my friend Elon Musk, who really has not been doing much of anything, has not made any news. Is and nobody has noticed. Yeah, the impact.

Welcome elon, thank you, Holy crap ah, yes wow. Let me just say, never a dull moment. Never a dull moment.

Welcome elon, thank you, Holy crap ah, yes wow. Let me just say, never a dull moment. Never a dull moment.

The first fifty days the president has spent in office over the top, and the first fifty days you've spent. I don't think there's ever been anyone to have an impact the way you have.

The first fifty days the president has spent in office over the top, and the first fifty days you've spent. I don't think there's ever been anyone to have an impact the way you have.

At the beginning.

At the beginning.

Let me start with a question.

Let me start with a question.

You know a lot about which was worse the mess you found at Twitter or the mess you found in the federal government.

You know a lot about which was worse the mess you found at Twitter or the mess you found in the federal government.

Well, it's hard to compete with the federal government.

Well, it's hard to compete with the federal government.

What's surprised you about the federal government? I assume you came in and assumed it was bad. Is it worse than you expected?

What's surprised you about the federal government? I assume you came in and assumed it was bad. Is it worse than you expected?

It is worse than I expected. But on the plus side, that means there's more opportunity for improvement. So look, if you look on the bright side, there's actually a lot of opportunity for improvement in federal goverment expenditures because it's so bad. If it was a well run ship, it would be very difficult to improve. So like, but so now it's like, people say, well, how how do you figure out how to save money in the federal government. Well, it's like being in a room where the walls, the roof, and the floor are old targets any direction. Yeah, and you're your kindness. Wow, yeah, I'm sure you would agree.

It is worse than I expected. But on the plus side, that means there's more opportunity for improvement. So look, if you look on the bright side, there's actually a lot of opportunity for improvement in federal goverment expenditures because it's so bad. If it was a well run ship, it would be very difficult to improve. So like, but so now it's like, people say, well, how how do you figure out how to save money in the federal government. Well, it's like being in a room where the walls, the roof, and the floor are old targets any direction. Yeah, and you're your kindness. Wow, yeah, I'm sure you would agree.

So a lot of folks have talked about like like.

So a lot of folks have talked about like like.

You can't right, this is going to any direction.

You can't right, this is going to any direction.

A lot of the crazy expenditures, things like like two million bucks for sex change surgeries in Guatemala, an essential you know, transgendered mice, and and sesame street in Iraq, A lot of that has gotten the tention. But some of the stuff you've told me about, like tell us about computer licenses and government agencies.

A lot of the crazy expenditures, things like like two million bucks for sex change surgeries in Guatemala, an essential you know, transgendered mice, and and sesame street in Iraq, A lot of that has gotten the tention. But some of the stuff you've told me about, like tell us about computer licenses and government agencies.

Yeah, so most of what do just finding you don't need to shock comes. It's very obvious, basic stuff. So it in every govert department. I say every because we've not yet found a single exception. There are far too many software licenses and media subscriptions, meaning many more software licenses and media subscriptions than there are humans in the department.

Yeah, so most of what do just finding you don't need to shock comes. It's very obvious, basic stuff. So it in every govert department. I say every because we've not yet found a single exception. There are far too many software licenses and media subscriptions, meaning many more software licenses and media subscriptions than there are humans in the department.

Like you were saying, like an agency with fifteen thousand people might have thirty thousand licenses. Yes, and even of the fifteen thousand employees, a good chunk of them hadn't used the license had never logged on or used the application.

Like you were saying, like an agency with fifteen thousand people might have thirty thousand licenses. Yes, and even of the fifteen thousand employees, a good chunk of them hadn't used the license had never logged on or used the application.

Yes, we found entire situations of software licenses or media subscriptions where there were zero logins.

Yes, we found entire situations of software licenses or media subscriptions where there were zero logins.

So it had and yet we were paying for it.

So it had and yet we were paying for it.

Yes, the government's paying for thousands of licenses of software or media subscriptions and no one had ever logged in even once.

Yes, the government's paying for thousands of licenses of software or media subscriptions and no one had ever logged in even once.

Or credit cards. You found the same thing. With government credit cards.

Or credit cards. You found the same thing. With government credit cards.

We found that there are twice as many credit cards as there are humans. And I still don't have a good explanation for why this is the case. And these are ten thousand dollar limit cards, so it's a lot of money.

We found that there are twice as many credit cards as there are humans. And I still don't have a good explanation for why this is the case. And these are ten thousand dollar limit cards, so it's a lot of money.

Is it incompetent that you're finding or is this like the biggest money wandering scheme in the history of the world that you're finding.

Is it incompetent that you're finding or is this like the biggest money wandering scheme in the history of the world that you're finding.

Okay, I think it's mostly If you say, look, what's the waste to fraud ratio, Yeah, in my opinion, it's it's like eighty percent wist twenty percent fraud. But you do have these sort of gray areas. For example, example be so uh, we saw a lot of payments going out of treasury that had no payment code and no explanation for the payment. And then we're we're we're we're trying to figure out what that payment is and we'd see that, Okay, that contract was supposed to be shut off, but but someone forgot to shut off that that contract and so the company kept getting money. Wow. Now is that waste or fraud? Both both? Yeah, you're not supposed to get you're not supposed to get it, but you but the the government sent it to you, and nobody from the government asked for it back. Take for example, the one the one point nine billion dollars given to Stacy Abrams.

Okay, I think it's mostly If you say, look, what's the waste to fraud ratio, Yeah, in my opinion, it's it's like eighty percent wist twenty percent fraud. But you do have these sort of gray areas. For example, example be so uh, we saw a lot of payments going out of treasury that had no payment code and no explanation for the payment. And then we're we're we're we're trying to figure out what that payment is and we'd see that, Okay, that contract was supposed to be shut off, but but someone forgot to shut off that that contract and so the company kept getting money. Wow. Now is that waste or fraud? Both both? Yeah, you're not supposed to get you're not supposed to get it, but you but the the government sent it to you, and nobody from the government asked for it back. Take for example, the one the one point nine billion dollars given to Stacy Abrams.

Yeah, fake ng O, utter insanity.

Yeah, fake ng O, utter insanity.

Explain the story.

Explain the story.

That's that's just corrupt. I think that's paying off cronies at that point.

That's that's just corrupt. I think that's paying off cronies at that point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And by the way, she knew, like when you get two billion dollars, you don't miss that.

And by the way, she knew, like when you get two billion dollars, you don't miss that.

That's not on accident.

That's not on accident.

That's allegedly it was for like, uh, you know, environmentally friendly appliances or something. And they've given like like a hundred appliances so far for two billion dollars. It's very expensive toast that's fridge, it's nice. Is it's just obviously one of the biggest scam fordoles we've uncovered, which is really crazy, is uh? Is that is that the government can give money to a so called nonprofit with with very few controls, and then that and there's there's no auditing subsequently of that nonprofit, so there's no So this is where with the you know, one point nine billion of Stacey Abrams, who's who's that they didn't give themselves extremely lavished like insane salaries, expense everything yep, to the to the nonprofit, you know, buy jets and homes and all sorts of.

That's allegedly it was for like, uh, you know, environmentally friendly appliances or something. And they've given like like a hundred appliances so far for two billion dollars. It's very expensive toast that's fridge, it's nice. Is it's just obviously one of the biggest scam fordoles we've uncovered, which is really crazy, is uh? Is that is that the government can give money to a so called nonprofit with with very few controls, and then that and there's there's no auditing subsequently of that nonprofit, so there's no So this is where with the you know, one point nine billion of Stacey Abrams, who's who's that they didn't give themselves extremely lavished like insane salaries, expense everything yep, to the to the nonprofit, you know, buy jets and homes and all sorts of.

Things, live like kings and queens. Yes on the taxpayer done.

Things, live like kings and queens. Yes on the taxpayer done.

Correct. You mentioned this is happening at scale. It's not just one or two. We're seeing this everywhere.

Correct. You mentioned this is happening at scale. It's not just one or two. We're seeing this everywhere.

Now, one of the things you told me about is at least what you call say, magic money computers. Well, so tell us about it, because I've never heard of that until you brought that up.

Now, one of the things you told me about is at least what you call say, magic money computers. Well, so tell us about it, because I've never heard of that until you brought that up.

Okay, So you may think that these the government computers like all talk to each other, they synchronize, they add up what funds are going somewhere, and it's you know, it's coherent that that that the you know, there's and that and that the numbers, for example, that you're presented as a senator are actually the real numbers. And one would think we would think they're not okay. I mean, they're not totally wrong, but they're probably off by five percent or ten percent in some cases. So I call it magic money computer. Any computer which can just make money out of thin air best magic money.

Okay, So you may think that these the government computers like all talk to each other, they synchronize, they add up what funds are going somewhere, and it's you know, it's coherent that that that the you know, there's and that and that the numbers, for example, that you're presented as a senator are actually the real numbers. And one would think we would think they're not okay. I mean, they're not totally wrong, but they're probably off by five percent or ten percent in some cases. So I call it magic money computer. Any computer which can just make money out of thin air best magic money.

So how does that work?

So how does that work?

It just issues payments.

It just issues payments.

And you said something like eleven of these computers a treasury that are that are sending out trillions in payments.

And you said something like eleven of these computers a treasury that are that are sending out trillions in payments.

They're mostly a treasury. Some are with the sum at HHS, some that there's one as one or two it states there's summit at DoD. I think we found now fourteen magic money computers. Gene, Okay, they just send money out of nothing.

They're mostly a treasury. Some are with the sum at HHS, some that there's one as one or two it states there's summit at DoD. I think we found now fourteen magic money computers. Gene, Okay, they just send money out of nothing.

You have an ability to see where leverage points are and how things actually happen. So I remember back I think it was September October of this year, before the election. We didn't know who was going to win, and I was at your house in Austin. We were talking about it, and you said, you said, look, I don't want a job in Washington, and you said, all I want is the log in for every computer. And I remember thinking at the time that sounded kind of weird, like I just didn't get it. And I have to say what's interesting on this. If I would have thought like, okay, how do you reform government? Like sort of the traditional way to think about it is, okay, give me an orc chart, let me sit down with the people who are running agencies. And what you saw immediately is to understand what's really going on, get to the payment systems, get to the computers. Yeah, Like, why is getting to the computers so critical to understanding what's actually happening?

You have an ability to see where leverage points are and how things actually happen. So I remember back I think it was September October of this year, before the election. We didn't know who was going to win, and I was at your house in Austin. We were talking about it, and you said, you said, look, I don't want a job in Washington, and you said, all I want is the log in for every computer. And I remember thinking at the time that sounded kind of weird, like I just didn't get it. And I have to say what's interesting on this. If I would have thought like, okay, how do you reform government? Like sort of the traditional way to think about it is, okay, give me an orc chart, let me sit down with the people who are running agencies. And what you saw immediately is to understand what's really going on, get to the payment systems, get to the computers. Yeah, Like, why is getting to the computers so critical to understanding what's actually happening?

Well, the government is run by computers. So you've got essentially several hundred computers that effectively run the government. And if you want to know, did you know that? Then no? Like, yeah, so when somebody, like even when the president issues an executive order, that's going to go through a whole bunch of people until ultimately it is implemented at a computer somewhere. And if you want to know what the situation is with the accounting and you're trying to reconcile accounting and get rid of waste and fraud, you must be able to analyze the computer databases. Otherwise you can't figure it out because all you're doing is asking a human who will then ask another human, ask another human, and finally usually ask some contractor will ask another contractor to your query under computer. Wow, that's how it actually works. So it's many layers D So the only way to reconcile the databases and get rid of waste and fraud is to to actually look at the computers and see what's going on. So that's what I call it. That's like, that's why when I sort of cryptically referred to reprogramming the matrix. You have to understand what's going on the computers. You have to reconcile the computer databases in order to identify the waste and fraud.

Well, the government is run by computers. So you've got essentially several hundred computers that effectively run the government. And if you want to know, did you know that? Then no? Like, yeah, so when somebody, like even when the president issues an executive order, that's going to go through a whole bunch of people until ultimately it is implemented at a computer somewhere. And if you want to know what the situation is with the accounting and you're trying to reconcile accounting and get rid of waste and fraud, you must be able to analyze the computer databases. Otherwise you can't figure it out because all you're doing is asking a human who will then ask another human, ask another human, and finally usually ask some contractor will ask another contractor to your query under computer. Wow, that's how it actually works. So it's many layers D So the only way to reconcile the databases and get rid of waste and fraud is to to actually look at the computers and see what's going on. So that's what I call it. That's like, that's why when I sort of cryptically referred to reprogramming the matrix. You have to understand what's going on the computers. You have to reconcile the computer databases in order to identify the waste and fraud.

I don't know that there was anyone in Congress who understood, certainly myself included, who understood the leverage that.

I don't know that there was anyone in Congress who understood, certainly myself included, who understood the leverage that.

Comes from the computer and the data.

Comes from the computer and the data.

In particular, that Congress would think about give me a report on what your expenditures are rather than actually getting into the pipes. And I think that has been fascinating that it's let you uncover a bunch of crap that just nobody knew.

In particular, that Congress would think about give me a report on what your expenditures are rather than actually getting into the pipes. And I think that has been fascinating that it's let you uncover a bunch of crap that just nobody knew.

Yes, I mean in order for money to go to a van account. It's it's not like we're sending truckloads of cash all over the place where it's a we're wiring money. Right, we're sending money through the ACH system or through the Swift system. So in order for money to flow, it's going to flow electronically. So that's that's what you need to look at. You need to look at the actual electronic money flows.

Yes, I mean in order for money to go to a van account. It's it's not like we're sending truckloads of cash all over the place where it's a we're wiring money. Right, we're sending money through the ACH system or through the Swift system. So in order for money to flow, it's going to flow electronically. So that's that's what you need to look at. You need to look at the actual electronic money flows.

And Tesla and all your companies, you have accounting and you have every expenditure. You have it coded for what it's going for. Federal government doesn't work that way. They don't code what the money is going for.

And Tesla and all your companies, you have accounting and you have every expenditure. You have it coded for what it's going for. Federal government doesn't work that way. They don't code what the money is going for.

They do know, but they didn't. They didn't.

They do know, but they didn't. They didn't.

And like one of the things that that you told me, you said, if any company kept its books the way the federal government does, they'd arrest the officers and put them in jail.

And like one of the things that that you told me, you said, if any company kept its books the way the federal government does, they'd arrest the officers and put them in jail.

Yes, if it was a poly company would be dealisted immediately, it would fail, it's ordered, and the officers of the company would be imprisoned. That's level of enough easiness in the middle. Unfortunately, it's deliberately or do you think this is in competence again, it's eighty percent. It's eighty percent incompetence or in twenty percent malice.

Yes, if it was a poly company would be dealisted immediately, it would fail, it's ordered, and the officers of the company would be imprisoned. That's level of enough easiness in the middle. Unfortunately, it's deliberately or do you think this is in competence again, it's eighty percent. It's eighty percent incompetence or in twenty percent malice.

If you look at DOGE now and you look at the government and what you're finding, what percentage have you guys even gotten to and how much of it is Mars where you haven't even gotten there yet because there's so much you're finding out here. I mean, how many you seem like a timeline guy when you say all I want to get in there and get all these you know, numbers and things. How far are we from the end game where you've seen it all, been able to process it all and fix it.

If you look at DOGE now and you look at the government and what you're finding, what percentage have you guys even gotten to and how much of it is Mars where you haven't even gotten there yet because there's so much you're finding out here. I mean, how many you seem like a timeline guy when you say all I want to get in there and get all these you know, numbers and things. How far are we from the end game where you've seen it all, been able to process it all and fix it.

I mean are we years away? Months away? Not yours? I mean recently confident that we'll be able to get a trillion dollars of waste and forward opt and that meaning that it will have what we'll have a net savings in f I twenty six, which thoughts in October obviously of a trillion dollars provider were allowed to We're allowed to continue and our progress is not impeded. And we're very public about what we do.

I mean are we years away? Months away? Not yours? I mean recently confident that we'll be able to get a trillion dollars of waste and forward opt and that meaning that it will have what we'll have a net savings in f I twenty six, which thoughts in October obviously of a trillion dollars provider were allowed to We're allowed to continue and our progress is not impeded. And we're very public about what we do.

Yeah, put it on.

Yeah, put it on.

The website about how we could be more transparent. Literally everything action we do, smaller, large, we put on the dose dot dot gov website and we post on the x handle. And when people complain about it and they say, oh, you're doing something costumes, I'm like, well, which of these costs?

The website about how we could be more transparent. Literally everything action we do, smaller, large, we put on the dose dot dot gov website and we post on the x handle. And when people complain about it and they say, oh, you're doing something costumes, I'm like, well, which of these costs?

Daylight everyone knows exactly what you're doing.

Daylight everyone knows exactly what you're doing.

Extreme transparent. Yeah, I don't think it's anything's been this transparent ever.

Extreme transparent. Yeah, I don't think it's anything's been this transparent ever.

So five years ago you were a hero to the left, cool, you had electric cars, you had space, And in five years you've got.

So five years ago you were a hero to the left, cool, you had electric cars, you had space, And in five years you've got.

To go to a party in Hollywood and not get doddy looks. In fact, yeah, and now you might not even get invited. It's invited, but I don't know if I need to go.

To go to a party in Hollywood and not get doddy looks. In fact, yeah, and now you might not even get invited. It's invited, but I don't know if I need to go.

And I don't think it's an exaggeration to say today, after Donald Trump, the left hates you more than a person on earth.

And I don't think it's an exaggeration to say today, after Donald Trump, the left hates you more than a person on earth.

Yes, I appear to be number two. I mean, if you're judged by the various signs.

Yes, I appear to be number two. I mean, if you're judged by the various signs.

They estrangements, it's Trump arrangement syndrome and Elon de arrangement syndrome. How is that for you?

They estrangements, it's Trump arrangement syndrome and Elon de arrangement syndrome. How is that for you?

That's a little bit of whiplash of going from being like mister cool to the devil incarnate in just a couple of years. Is that is that kind of weird to experience that transformation?

That's a little bit of whiplash of going from being like mister cool to the devil incarnate in just a couple of years. Is that is that kind of weird to experience that transformation?

Yes?

Yes?

Why do they hate you so much?

Why do they hate you so much?

Well, because we're we're clearly over the target. If those was ineffective, if we were not actually getting rid of a bunch of wasting forward and a bunch of that. For I mean, the ford we're seeing is overwhelmingly on the on the left. I mean it's not zero on the right, but these angos are almost all left wing NGOs that are being funded for example. Yep. So they hate me because Dog is being effective and Dog is getting rid of a lot of waste. For that, they were that people and left were taking advantage of that. That's that's that's where it comes out to. And and the single biggest thing that they're that they're worried about is that Dogs is going to turn off fraudulent payments of entitlements. I mean everything from Social Security, medicare, uh you know, unemployment, disability, smallpers administ registration loans, turn them off to illegals. This is that flux of the matter. Ye okay, this is this is the this is the thing that why they really hit my guts and want me to die.

Well, because we're we're clearly over the target. If those was ineffective, if we were not actually getting rid of a bunch of wasting forward and a bunch of that. For I mean, the ford we're seeing is overwhelmingly on the on the left. I mean it's not zero on the right, but these angos are almost all left wing NGOs that are being funded for example. Yep. So they hate me because Dog is being effective and Dog is getting rid of a lot of waste. For that, they were that people and left were taking advantage of that. That's that's that's where it comes out to. And and the single biggest thing that they're that they're worried about is that Dogs is going to turn off fraudulent payments of entitlements. I mean everything from Social Security, medicare, uh you know, unemployment, disability, smallpers administ registration loans, turn them off to illegals. This is that flux of the matter. Ye okay, this is this is the this is the thing that why they really hit my guts and want me to die.

And do you think that's billions? Hundreds of billions? What do you think the scale is of that?

And do you think that's billions? Hundreds of billions? What do you think the scale is of that?

I think across the country it's it's in the it's well, not of one hundred billion, maybe two hundred million. So uh, by by using entitlements fraud the Democrats have been able to attract and retain vast numbers of illegal immigrants.

I think across the country it's it's in the it's well, not of one hundred billion, maybe two hundred million. So uh, by by using entitlements fraud the Democrats have been able to attract and retain vast numbers of illegal immigrants.

And buy voters and and buy.

And buy voters and and buy.

Voters exactly the basically bring in ten twenty million people who are beholden to the Democrats for governor handouts and will vote overwhelming the Democrats. Has been demonstrated in California. This is it's an election strategy. Yes, it's powered, Yes, and it doesn't take much to turn the swing states blue. I mean off in a swing state yet be won by ten twenty thousand votes. Sure, so the DAMS can bring in two hundred thousand illegals and over time get them legalized, not counting any cheating that takes place, because there is some cheating, but even without cheating, if you bake, if you if you bring in illegals that are ten x the voted differential in a swing state, it will no longer be a swing state, right, and the DAMS will win all the swing states just a matter of time, and America will be permanent deep blue socialist state. At the House, the Senate, YEP, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court will all go hardcore down. They will then further cement that by bringing even more aliens so you can't vote your way out of it. Their objement is to make it one party socialist state, and it will be much worse than California, because at least California is mitigated by the fact that someone can leave California.

Voters exactly the basically bring in ten twenty million people who are beholden to the Democrats for governor handouts and will vote overwhelming the Democrats. Has been demonstrated in California. This is it's an election strategy. Yes, it's powered, Yes, and it doesn't take much to turn the swing states blue. I mean off in a swing state yet be won by ten twenty thousand votes. Sure, so the DAMS can bring in two hundred thousand illegals and over time get them legalized, not counting any cheating that takes place, because there is some cheating, but even without cheating, if you bake, if you if you bring in illegals that are ten x the voted differential in a swing state, it will no longer be a swing state, right, and the DAMS will win all the swing states just a matter of time, and America will be permanent deep blue socialist state. At the House, the Senate, YEP, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court will all go hardcore down. They will then further cement that by bringing even more aliens so you can't vote your way out of it. Their objement is to make it one party socialist state, and it will be much worse than California, because at least California is mitigated by the fact that someone can leave California.

You can go to Texas.

You can go to Texas.

Yeah, exactly, So you're gonna make everywhere California but worse.

Yeah, exactly, So you're gonna make everywhere California but worse.

By the way, the middle of the pandemic, I spent forty five minutes on the phone with Elon.

By the way, the middle of the pandemic, I spent forty five minutes on the phone with Elon.

He was still in California.

He was still in California.

I was walking my dog's snowflake and trying to convince you come to Texas. The commis in California can't stand you. We love you, we want you here, and you didn't quite go then, but you went not that long afterwards.

I was walking my dog's snowflake and trying to convince you come to Texas. The commis in California can't stand you. We love you, we want you here, and you didn't quite go then, but you went not that long afterwards.

I mean, the COVID actions almost killed Tesla because they let every other auto plant in the country was allowed to open, but ours, which was in California, was not a lot to open. Wow. Wow, So they almost killed Tesla.

I mean, the COVID actions almost killed Tesla because they let every other auto plant in the country was allowed to open, but ours, which was in California, was not a lot to open. Wow. Wow, So they almost killed Tesla.

So as a personal matter, you do you ever regret it? Like five years ago you go to the OSCARS and mister cool and now you're you've got death threats every day, Like do you well?

So as a personal matter, you do you ever regret it? Like five years ago you go to the OSCARS and mister cool and now you're you've got death threats every day, Like do you well?

These days the OSCARS are boring. I wouldn't want to go.

These days the OSCARS are boring. I wouldn't want to go.

God bless the movies they nominate.

God bless the movies they nominate.

No one on earth has ever seen like, like, could they actually nominate a movie that human beings go watch?

No one on earth has ever seen like, like, could they actually nominate a movie that human beings go watch?

I mean, how many great movies have come out in the last several years.

I mean, how many great movies have come out in the last several years.

Very few, depressingly few.

Very few, depressingly few.

Yeah, very few. Last Oscars came and went I didn't watch it. There's nothing to see.

Yeah, very few. Last Oscars came and went I didn't watch it. There's nothing to see.

I was sad that Gene Hackman just passed away because Unforgiven was spectacular, but that was a long time ago.

I was sad that Gene Hackman just passed away because Unforgiven was spectacular, but that was a long time ago.

Forgiven came out.

Forgiven came out.

You've mentioned today here and before about the possibility of someone wanting.

You've mentioned today here and before about the possibility of someone wanting.

To take you out, dealing with the death threats we see. It's not in my imagination. You could just look on social media. Yeah, but like is it because very clear?

To take you out, dealing with the death threats we see. It's not in my imagination. You could just look on social media. Yeah, but like is it because very clear?

Yeah, And look I'm I'm very familiar with it.

Yeah, And look I'm I'm very familiar with it.

And they've got science. They are people with science and demonstrations, uh, saying that I need to die.

And they've got science. They are people with science and demonstrations, uh, saying that I need to die.

Do you think are these just why jobs? Or do you think there are foreign sane people? Do you think there are foreign entities behind this? Do you think they're domestic entities behind the threats? And also the attacks to Twitter are not Twitter, but Tesla, I mean you know, you're getting Tesla's charging stations lit on fire. Do you think that's organized and paid for?

Do you think are these just why jobs? Or do you think there are foreign sane people? Do you think there are foreign entities behind this? Do you think they're domestic entities behind the threats? And also the attacks to Twitter are not Twitter, but Tesla, I mean you know, you're getting Tesla's charging stations lit on fire. Do you think that's organized and paid for?

Yes, at least some of it is organized and paid for I think by domestic you know, basically left wing organizations in America funded by left wing billionaires. Essentially, is it like Act Blue or what Act Blue is one of them? You know Arabella, you know the classic it's funded by the you know, the blue basically the left wing and g O cabal.

Yes, at least some of it is organized and paid for I think by domestic you know, basically left wing organizations in America funded by left wing billionaires. Essentially, is it like Act Blue or what Act Blue is one of them? You know Arabella, you know the classic it's funded by the you know, the blue basically the left wing and g O cabal.

How big of a threats is to like what you build at Tesla? I mean, I remember when Tesla's came out, it was people that they didn't want to have gas cars. A lot of it was environmental reasons. I jokingly said, I was like, I'm a Texas guy, I'm always going to have something that burns gas. My kids now, all three of my boys think that that Tesla's are awesome. The cyber truck is the car they want their dad to buy, which I laugh because I never could have imagined that five years ago.

How big of a threats is to like what you build at Tesla? I mean, I remember when Tesla's came out, it was people that they didn't want to have gas cars. A lot of it was environmental reasons. I jokingly said, I was like, I'm a Texas guy, I'm always going to have something that burns gas. My kids now, all three of my boys think that that Tesla's are awesome. The cyber truck is the car they want their dad to buy, which I laugh because I never could have imagined that five years ago.

And now I'm looking at We're worth.

And now I'm looking at We're worth.

The White House in the President's Tesla sparks. Yeah, I mean, which is the fullest dand but I mean you've you've changed a generation.

The White House in the President's Tesla sparks. Yeah, I mean, which is the fullest dand but I mean you've you've changed a generation.

When you look at my kids are six and eight and they're going Dad buy a cyber truck, and I'm considering it. That's a that's a full circle in a weird way.

When you look at my kids are six and eight and they're going Dad buy a cyber truck, and I'm considering it. That's a that's a full circle in a weird way.

Yeah. Well, I do have the story that the most errantating outcome is the most likely. So yeah, it seems often to be true. I like, what, uh, what twistal turn of fate? Uh? Well, I would the highest ratings if this was if we're a TV show, what twistal turn of fate would generate the highest ratings that there's a good chance that happens.

Yeah. Well, I do have the story that the most errantating outcome is the most likely. So yeah, it seems often to be true. I like, what, uh, what twistal turn of fate? Uh? Well, I would the highest ratings if this was if we're a TV show, what twistal turn of fate would generate the highest ratings that there's a good chance that happens.

Well, I will say if if Act Blue and Arabella Network was a huge scam, next level, do you think it's foreign money? Chinese money? Where do you think the money in Act Blue is coming from? How do you figure that out?

Well, I will say if if Act Blue and Arabella Network was a huge scam, next level, do you think it's foreign money? Chinese money? Where do you think the money in Act Blue is coming from? How do you figure that out?

Well, it's not coming from from a whole bunch of from a ground swell of public support, because when individual donors looked at an Act Blue, they a bunually turned out to be like diehard Republicans, people have never given money in their life. So you're going to track down a bunch of these where it says, oh I gave sixteen thousand dollars and they're like, I didn't give sixteen thousand dollars. We're talking about. Well, if those whole con friends of mine, if I found themselves on the Act Blue List the like.

Well, it's not coming from from a whole bunch of from a ground swell of public support, because when individual donors looked at an Act Blue, they a bunually turned out to be like diehard Republicans, people have never given money in their life. So you're going to track down a bunch of these where it says, oh I gave sixteen thousand dollars and they're like, I didn't give sixteen thousand dollars. We're talking about. Well, if those whole con friends of mine, if I found themselves on the Act Blue List the like.

So that's if it can actually be shown that they are funding firebombing of Tesla charging stations, that's objectively a criminal act. That that is funding terrorist activity, and the statutes make clear that an incendiary device qualifies.

So that's if it can actually be shown that they are funding firebombing of Tesla charging stations, that's objectively a criminal act. That that is funding terrorist activity, and the statutes make clear that an incendiary device qualifies.

So that down is a terrorist activity.

So that down is a terrorist activity.

Let me ask AI in ten years, how is life going to be different because of AI for just a normal person?

Let me ask AI in ten years, how is life going to be different because of AI for just a normal person?

Well, ten years is a long time. In ten years, probably AI could do anything better than a human can cognitively, probably almost. I think in ten years, based on the cart rate of improvement, AI will be smarter than the smartest human.

Well, ten years is a long time. In ten years, probably AI could do anything better than a human can cognitively, probably almost. I think in ten years, based on the cart rate of improvement, AI will be smarter than the smartest human.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. There will also be a massive number of robots, so humanoid robots.

Yeah. There will also be a massive number of robots, so humanoid robots.

By the way, I got to ask, how come your robots look so much like the creepy robots for my robot?

By the way, I got to ask, how come your robots look so much like the creepy robots for my robot?

Was that intentional or.

Was that intentional or.

Just I was hoping he's gonna say, yeah, just to mess with you, it's not meant to look like any prior robot, and we'll iterate the design and you'll be able to have a lot of the robot parts are cosmetic. You'll be able to switch out the kind of snap on cosmetic parts of the robot make it look like something else if you lying so. There'll be ultimately billions of humanoid robots all costs will be self driving in ten years. In ten years, probably ninety percent of miles driven will be autonomous. Huh wow that fast. Yeah. In five years, probably fifty percent of miles will driven will be autonomous.

Just I was hoping he's gonna say, yeah, just to mess with you, it's not meant to look like any prior robot, and we'll iterate the design and you'll be able to have a lot of the robot parts are cosmetic. You'll be able to switch out the kind of snap on cosmetic parts of the robot make it look like something else if you lying so. There'll be ultimately billions of humanoid robots all costs will be self driving in ten years. In ten years, probably ninety percent of miles driven will be autonomous. Huh wow that fast. Yeah. In five years, probably fifty percent of miles will driven will be autonomous.

Now, if AI will be smarter than any persons, how many jobs go away because of that? And what do people do if you've got billions of people that are losing their jobs like that, A lot of people are understandably freaked out about that.

Now, if AI will be smarter than any persons, how many jobs go away because of that? And what do people do if you've got billions of people that are losing their jobs like that, A lot of people are understandably freaked out about that.

Well, goods and services will become close to free. So it's not as though people will be wanting in terms of goods and services.

Well, goods and services will become close to free. So it's not as though people will be wanting in terms of goods and services.

So why is that?

So why is that?

What?

What?

Why are goods and services free in an AI world or close to free?

Why are goods and services free in an AI world or close to free?

Well, you have I don't know, call it tens of billions of robots. They will they will make you anything or provide any service you want for basically next to nothing. It's it's not that people will be will have a lower standable I mean, they'll have actually much higher standard of living. But the challenge will be fulfillment. How do you drive fulfillment and meeting in life?

Well, you have I don't know, call it tens of billions of robots. They will they will make you anything or provide any service you want for basically next to nothing. It's it's not that people will be will have a lower standable I mean, they'll have actually much higher standard of living. But the challenge will be fulfillment. How do you drive fulfillment and meeting in life?

Is Skynet real? Like you get the apocalyptic visions of AI? How real is the prospect of killer robots annihilating humanity?

Is Skynet real? Like you get the apocalyptic visions of AI? How real is the prospect of killer robots annihilating humanity?

Likely? Maybe ten percent?

Likely? Maybe ten percent?

On what timeframe?

On what timeframe?

Fat ten years so soon?

Fat ten years so soon?

Like you you see a world where that's possible.

Like you you see a world where that's possible.

Yeah, But I mean you can look at it like the glasses eighty ninety percent full, meaning like eighty percent likely will have extreme prosperity for all.

Yeah, But I mean you can look at it like the glasses eighty ninety percent full, meaning like eighty percent likely will have extreme prosperity for all.

Now, I guess my view, we're in a race to win AI. We're in a race with China, and my view is if they're going to be killer robots, I'd rather they be American killer robots than Chinese. How likely are we winning right now? Is America winning right now? And how likely is America to win the race for AI v to be China or anyone else?

Now, I guess my view, we're in a race to win AI. We're in a race with China, and my view is if they're going to be killer robots, I'd rather they be American killer robots than Chinese. How likely are we winning right now? Is America winning right now? And how likely is America to win the race for AI v to be China or anyone else?

Well the next few years, I think America is likely to win. Then it will be a function of who controls the AI chip fabrication, if the factories that make the AI chifs who controls them, If they are controlled, if more of them will controlled by China than China will win.

Well the next few years, I think America is likely to win. Then it will be a function of who controls the AI chip fabrication, if the factories that make the AI chifs who controls them, If they are controlled, if more of them will controlled by China than China will win.

More of the factories that are making the AI chips. You think that will determine it? Yes, And how are we doing versus China on that front?

More of the factories that are making the AI chips. You think that will determine it? Yes, And how are we doing versus China on that front?

Well, right now, almost all the advanced AI chip factories they call them babs are in Taiwan.

Well, right now, almost all the advanced AI chip factories they call them babs are in Taiwan.

And what if China invaded one miles away from what happens if China.

And what if China invaded one miles away from what happens if China.

China invades Taiwan, what happens to the world.

China invades Taiwan, what happens to the world.

Well, if they were to invade in the nea term, the world would be cut off from advanced AI chips. And currently one percent of advanced AI chips are made in Taiwan.

Well, if they were to invade in the nea term, the world would be cut off from advanced AI chips. And currently one percent of advanced AI chips are made in Taiwan.

How fast can we put that online in America? How important is that for national security?

How fast can we put that online in America? How important is that for national security?

I think it's essential for national security, and we're not doing enough.

I think it's essential for national security, and we're not doing enough.

You're fifty three years old. I'm one hundred and eighteen days older than you. By what the hell have I done in my life?

You're fifty three years old. I'm one hundred and eighteen days older than you. By what the hell have I done in my life?

I know?

I know?

Right?

Right?

Fifty three years old?

Fifty three years old?

Well, well, so seventy one was a great year.

Well, well, so seventy one was a great year.

And I was December seventy because I was just just right before you were the summer of seventy one.

And I was December seventy because I was just just right before you were the summer of seventy one.

I was born sixty nine days after four twenty.

I was born sixty nine days after four twenty.

Wow, I did ask Ben, this is true.

Wow, I did ask Ben, this is true.

Look, I did ask Ben, should I show up and pull up a joint and say can we beat Rogan's views? But I was pretty sure it might cause a scandal if we spent a podcast.

Look, I did ask Ben, should I show up and pull up a joint and say can we beat Rogan's views? But I was pretty sure it might cause a scandal if we spent a podcast.

It just turned out to be like a chocolate cigarden. Yeah.

It just turned out to be like a chocolate cigarden. Yeah.

Let me ask you if today was your last day on Earth. Yeah, well, I'm not suggesting it's going to be. But if it were, what do you think your biggest legacy would be if everything you've done one hundred years from now? What do you think people would remember if if it were zero to today?

Let me ask you if today was your last day on Earth. Yeah, well, I'm not suggesting it's going to be. But if it were, what do you think your biggest legacy would be if everything you've done one hundred years from now? What do you think people would remember if if it were zero to today?

And will you ever go to space in the in the distant future, one hundred or one thousand years ago? If SpaceX got humans to Mars, that's what they would remember me for.

And will you ever go to space in the in the distant future, one hundred or one thousand years ago? If SpaceX got humans to Mars, that's what they would remember me for.

All Right, final set of questions.

All Right, final set of questions.

Who's the smartest guy you've ever met? You hang out with some brilliant people, Like like, when you look at what's a CEO? You look at other than yourself, what CEO?

Who's the smartest guy you've ever met? You hang out with some brilliant people, Like like, when you look at what's a CEO? You look at other than yourself, what CEO?

Do you say?

Do you say?

Damn, that guy's good.

Damn, that guy's good.

Larry Elson's very smart. So I say, Larry Elson's one of the smartest people you know, Larry Page. I mean, there are a lot of people that are very smart it's hard to say. Like, you know, I think something to be smart is as smart as so you know, what if what have they done that is difficult and significant? You know, Jeff Bezos has not a lot of difficult and significant things. I mean, there are a lot of smart humans. I call them smart for smart for a human, A lot of people who are in the smart for a human category.

Larry Elson's very smart. So I say, Larry Elson's one of the smartest people you know, Larry Page. I mean, there are a lot of people that are very smart it's hard to say. Like, you know, I think something to be smart is as smart as so you know, what if what have they done that is difficult and significant? You know, Jeff Bezos has not a lot of difficult and significant things. I mean, there are a lot of smart humans. I call them smart for smart for a human, A lot of people who are in the smart for a human category.

All right, final lightning round, Star Wars or Star Trek.

All right, final lightning round, Star Wars or Star Trek.

The first movie I saw in the theater was Star Wars, so I think it had a profound effect on me. I'm six years old. I think, imagine, best first movie you ever see in a theater is Star Wars. It's gonna blaw her mind.

The first movie I saw in the theater was Star Wars, so I think it had a profound effect on me. I'm six years old. I think, imagine, best first movie you ever see in a theater is Star Wars. It's gonna blaw her mind.

Best Star Wars.

Best Star Wars.

Movie Empires Trucks Back.

Movie Empires Trucks Back.

The only objectively right answer.

The only objectively right answer.

I stood in line in three hours with my dad to see it on opening day.

I stood in line in three hours with my dad to see it on opening day.

Kirk or Picard, I like them both.

Kirk or Picard, I like them both.

For Kirk again, objectively right answer. By the way, James T. Kirk is a Republican and Picard is a Democrat, and the left gets very mad when I say that best Star Trek.

For Kirk again, objectively right answer. By the way, James T. Kirk is a Republican and Picard is a Democrat, and the left gets very mad when I say that best Star Trek.

Movie, I mean the original, the first Star Trek movie. That's okay, most of both of both. Wrath of cons were pretty good. But yeah, the original wrath of kN.

Movie, I mean the original, the first Star Trek movie. That's okay, most of both of both. Wrath of cons were pretty good. But yeah, the original wrath of kN.

Ricardo Montaban revenge is a dish best served cold. It is very a.

Ricardo Montaban revenge is a dish best served cold. It is very a.

Cold in space, although I will say Rathacon is objectively the right answer. But but four is a sleeper. When they go back to San Francisco and and and go find the whales and and you know, Scotty picks up picks up the mouth and talks to it and goes a keyboard.

Cold in space, although I will say Rathacon is objectively the right answer. But but four is a sleeper. When they go back to San Francisco and and and go find the whales and and you know, Scotty picks up picks up the mouth and talks to it and goes a keyboard.

How quaint that's a sleeper?

How quaint that's a sleeper?

All right?

All right?

Last question? Did Han shoot first?

Last question? Did Han shoot first?

It seemed like he shot second.

It seemed like he shot second.

This is verdict.

This is verdict.

And by the way, I apologize Ben so Ben was a jock and played tennis at ole miss and so so occasionally when when we geek out a little and y'all geek.

And by the way, I apologize Ben so Ben was a jock and played tennis at ole miss and so so occasionally when when we geek out a little and y'all geek.

Out over, there is still on the question I love you miss his The alien misses fast shot. So why do you miss his vast shot? Must have been because he got shot first and he's missing a point blank bassil shot. If they less, they got knocked off kids.

Out over, there is still on the question I love you miss his The alien misses fast shot. So why do you miss his vast shot? Must have been because he got shot first and he's missing a point blank bassil shot. If they less, they got knocked off kids.

But it's a question of real which is is Han Solo simply a hero or an anti hero? And and so I'm in the Han shot first category. I don't like sanitized stories would have.

But it's a question of real which is is Han Solo simply a hero or an anti hero? And and so I'm in the Han shot first category. I don't like sanitized stories would have.

Had to have shot first, because otherwise, why why would the alien miss appoint blank range? Are you ever going to go to outer space? Is that saying in your life goals? Yeah, I'd like to go to Mars at some point. And people have said do I want to die in maz and I say yes, just not an impact.

Had to have shot first, because otherwise, why why would the alien miss appoint blank range? Are you ever going to go to outer space? Is that saying in your life goals? Yeah, I'd like to go to Mars at some point. And people have said do I want to die in maz and I say yes, just not an impact.

Now, that's a very good answer.

Now, that's a very good answer.

The astronauts on the space station, are they political prisoners? Some of them are because because you could have given them a ride back, and.

The astronauts on the space station, are they political prisoners? Some of them are because because you could have given them a ride back, and.

Joe Biden said no, purely for politics.

Joe Biden said no, purely for politics.

Yeah, I mean, you know, there's been some debate about this online. But the thing is that it was very a very high level decision, so it wasn't really even an acid decision. It was just that the Biden White House did not want to have someone who is pro Trump rescuing Askrowt's rife before the election, so they pushed it.

Yeah, I mean, you know, there's been some debate about this online. But the thing is that it was very a very high level decision, so it wasn't really even an acid decision. It was just that the Biden White House did not want to have someone who is pro Trump rescuing Askrowt's rife before the election, so they pushed it.

Well, if you're one of those astronauts, you got to be pretty pissed off about that.

Well, if you're one of those astronauts, you got to be pretty pissed off about that.

Well, if they're a Democrat, yes, a prat like everything's fine, fair enough. So I think one of them is a repulicable incident. It depends on which one you ask.

Well, if they're a Democrat, yes, a prat like everything's fine, fair enough. So I think one of them is a repulicable incident. It depends on which one you ask.

Well, thank you Elan, this was this was awesome.

Well, thank you Elan, this was this was awesome.

And let me say, and by the way, I put out on X the day before yesterday, if you were having a beer with Elon and could ask him anything, what would you ask? And got lots of responses. The most common response people said is is say thank you. Look, Texans and the American people appreciate what you're doing. You don't have to put up with this bs, and you're doing it. I'm grateful. You're making a hell of a difference for this country. I appreciate you, and the Americans appreciate you.

And let me say, and by the way, I put out on X the day before yesterday, if you were having a beer with Elon and could ask him anything, what would you ask? And got lots of responses. The most common response people said is is say thank you. Look, Texans and the American people appreciate what you're doing. You don't have to put up with this bs, and you're doing it. I'm grateful. You're making a hell of a difference for this country. I appreciate you, and the Americans appreciate you.

Yeah, it's essential for the future of civilization. Otherwise I wouldn't be doing it. Yes, it's not like I want to get death threats. You know, Now, what.

Yeah, it's essential for the future of civilization. Otherwise I wouldn't be doing it. Yes, it's not like I want to get death threats. You know, Now, what.

Year does man first set foot on Mars?

Year does man first set foot on Mars?

I think the soonest would be twenty nine, twenty nine, yes, and I don't think it's more than two to four years beyond that.

I think the soonest would be twenty nine, twenty nine, yes, and I don't think it's more than two to four years beyond that.

And that's not an unman, that's that's a human being putting his foot on the surface.

And that's not an unman, that's that's a human being putting his foot on the surface.

Yes, best case twenty nine.

Yes, best case twenty nine.

And what do you put the odds of finding either alien life or evidence of alien life.

And what do you put the odds of finding either alien life or evidence of alien life.

I don't think we're going to find aliens.

I don't think we're going to find aliens.

Okay, but do we find ruins, do we find remnants?

Okay, but do we find ruins, do we find remnants?

We may we may find the ruins of a long dead alien civilization. That's possible, And we may find subterranean microbial life. That's possible.

We may we may find the ruins of a long dead alien civilization. That's possible, And we may find subterranean microbial life. That's possible.

All right.

All right.

If man lands on Mars and twenty nine, how soon after that do you land on.

If man lands on Mars and twenty nine, how soon after that do you land on.

Mars remains to be seen. I'm not sure. The important thing is that we build a self sustaining city on Mars as quickly as possible. The key threshold is when that city can't continue to grow, continue to prosper even when the supply ships from Earth stopped coming. At that point, even if something would happen on Earth, it might not be World War.

Mars remains to be seen. I'm not sure. The important thing is that we build a self sustaining city on Mars as quickly as possible. The key threshold is when that city can't continue to grow, continue to prosper even when the supply ships from Earth stopped coming. At that point, even if something would happen on Earth, it might not be World War.

Three, but it might be that a bad virus.

Three, but it might be that a bad virus.

Yeah, it might not be anything. It's like, let's say civilization you could die with a bang or whooper. It may be that civilization is dies with a whimper rather than a bang and simply loses the ability to send ships to Mars. So you often need Mars to become self sustaining and be able to grow by itself before the recupply ships from Earth stopped coming. That is the critical a civilizational threshold, beyond which the probable last span of civilization is much greater.

Yeah, it might not be anything. It's like, let's say civilization you could die with a bang or whooper. It may be that civilization is dies with a whimper rather than a bang and simply loses the ability to send ships to Mars. So you often need Mars to become self sustaining and be able to grow by itself before the recupply ships from Earth stopped coming. That is the critical a civilizational threshold, beyond which the probable last span of civilization is much greater.

And how close are we technologically to be able to do that, to have a self sustaining settlement on the surface of Mars.

And how close are we technologically to be able to do that, to have a self sustaining settlement on the surface of Mars.

I think it can be done in twenty years, but it.

I think it can be done in twenty years, but it.

Would take twenty years, so we're not in twenty nine. We're not there. What are we missing?

Would take twenty years, so we're not in twenty nine. We're not there. What are we missing?

What are the big technologies?

What are the big technologies?

We don't have a few people running around the surface in a hostile environment is not going to make it self sustaining. So you're going to need on the order of a million people, maybe a million tons of cargo.

We don't have a few people running around the surface in a hostile environment is not going to make it self sustaining. So you're going to need on the order of a million people, maybe a million tons of cargo.

So but you think we could have a million people on Mars in twenty years, yes, And what's the technology we're missing right now? When you think about a million people on Mars? Do we have the ability to get water, to get food, to keep them safe?

So but you think we could have a million people on Mars in twenty years, yes, And what's the technology we're missing right now? When you think about a million people on Mars? Do we have the ability to get water, to get food, to keep them safe?

I mean, what what do we need to make that happen?

I mean, what what do we need to make that happen?

Well, you need to recreate the entire base of industry Earth. So you know, we're here at the top of a massive permitive industry that starts with mining a vast array of materials. Those materials going through hundreds of steps of refinement. We grow food, obviously, we grow trees, we make things out of the trees. There's you know, you've got to you've got to build all that on Mars, and Mars is a hostile environment. It's you know, it sometimes gets above zero on a warm summer day near the equator on Mars. Meanly, it's quite cold. How do you prep for that? Well, in the beginning, on Mars, you have to have a life support habitation module, right, like you need You can't just live outdoors. You can't breathe the.

Well, you need to recreate the entire base of industry Earth. So you know, we're here at the top of a massive permitive industry that starts with mining a vast array of materials. Those materials going through hundreds of steps of refinement. We grow food, obviously, we grow trees, we make things out of the trees. There's you know, you've got to you've got to build all that on Mars, and Mars is a hostile environment. It's you know, it sometimes gets above zero on a warm summer day near the equator on Mars. Meanly, it's quite cold. How do you prep for that? Well, in the beginning, on Mars, you have to have a life support habitation module, right, like you need You can't just live outdoors. You can't breathe the.

Air like a dome you think is likely?

Air like a dome you think is likely?

Yeah, glass domes type of thing.

Yeah, glass domes type of thing.

Have you identified a location on Mars that is likely to be ideal for a habitat?

Have you identified a location on Mars that is likely to be ideal for a habitat?

What might be Arcadia planet? Here is one of the one of the good options. That's one of my daughters is named Arcadia after that.

What might be Arcadia planet? Here is one of the one of the good options. That's one of my daughters is named Arcadia after that.

And what makes that attractive.

And what makes that attractive.

My eldest son's middle name is Ari's Mars. You've been thinking about this for a long time. If you're name and your kids around it. My eldest kid is middle name is essentially Mars. When did you get the dream? Like, I mean it's twenty twenty one soon, this is decades old? Yeah, dream?

My eldest son's middle name is Ari's Mars. You've been thinking about this for a long time. If you're name and your kids around it. My eldest kid is middle name is essentially Mars. When did you get the dream? Like, I mean it's twenty twenty one soon, this is decades old? Yeah, dream?

So like when you were ten, did you look up and say I'm going to Mars.

So like when you were ten, did you look up and say I'm going to Mars.

No No. I read a lot of science fiction books and program computers. But the first finally off. The first video game that I sold was a space video game called Blastar. Maybe I was born this way?

No No. I read a lot of science fiction books and program computers. But the first finally off. The first video game that I sold was a space video game called Blastar. Maybe I was born this way?

How do you do?

How do you do?

How do you become Elon Musk? Look, you're obviously smart as hell, but but there are lots there are a lot of smart people that don't do squat And you've managed everything you've touched has been an extraordinary success. Yeah, yeah, Look, I mean that's just objectively right.

How do you become Elon Musk? Look, you're obviously smart as hell, but but there are lots there are a lot of smart people that don't do squat And you've managed everything you've touched has been an extraordinary success. Yeah, yeah, Look, I mean that's just objectively right.

So what has led to that?

So what has led to that?

Because there are others are people that that's not true, and they gaze at their nable and they don't do anything. So what do you do differently that makes you so effective?

Because there are others are people that that's not true, and they gaze at their nable and they don't do anything. So what do you do differently that makes you so effective?

Well, I suppose I have a philosophy of curiosity. I want to find out the nature of the universe, understand the universe, And in order to do that, we have to travel to other planets, see other star systems, maybe other galaxies, find perhaps other alien civilizations, or at least the remnants of alien civilizations, gain a better understanding of words universe going ready to come from? And what questions do we not yet know to ask about the answer that is the universe.

Well, I suppose I have a philosophy of curiosity. I want to find out the nature of the universe, understand the universe, And in order to do that, we have to travel to other planets, see other star systems, maybe other galaxies, find perhaps other alien civilizations, or at least the remnants of alien civilizations, gain a better understanding of words universe going ready to come from? And what questions do we not yet know to ask about the answer that is the universe.

So let's go back twenty five years, late nineties.

So let's go back twenty five years, late nineties.

You're at PayPal. How do you turn PayPal into the success it was, which which then helped launch you to the next one?

You're at PayPal. How do you turn PayPal into the success it was, which which then helped launch you to the next one?

In the next one. Yeah, So I studied physics and economics and college, which is a good foundation for understanding how the economy works and how reality works, and then was going to do a PhD at Stanford in advanced ultra capacitors actually as a potential means of energy storage for electric transport. Put that on hold to start an Internet company. Essentially came to the conclusion that the Internet was one of those rare things and I could either watch it happen while a grad student or participated. And I figured, I've always go back to grad school. Grad school is going to be kind of the same. But I couldn't betther thought of just watching the Internet happen. So I wanted to be a part of building it. So I created an Internet Internet company. We did the first maps, directions, yellow pages, white pages on the Internet. I actually wrote the first version of Suffered just by myself in ninety five, and we ended up selling that to Compact Texas company. I guess for about three hundred million dollars in cash about four years after I graduated. Wow. So I should say just to preface that I graduated with about one hundred thousand dollars a student debt. So it wasn't yeah you and me about yeah, yeah, I know. And when I first arrived in North America, I arrived with twenty five hundred dollars, a bag of books and a bag of clothes.