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On this episode of the Utterly Moderate Podcast, host Lawrence Eppard discusses the threat of political violence, America’s slide toward autocracy, and more with guests Rachel Kleinfeld and Ken White.

Articles/other stuff referenced in this episode:

• “The New Era of Political Violence is Here” from Tom Nichols at The Atlantic
• “Trump Supporters’ Threats to Judge Spur Democracy Concerns” from Fields & Riccard at the Associated Press
• Bulwark Podcast episode with guest Dana Milbank
• Ken White's podcast and newsletter

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Episode Music:

• “Please Listen Carefully” by Jahzzar (creative commons)
• “Draw the Sky” by Paul Keane (licensed through TakeTones)
• “Star Blessed Night” by Ketsa (creative commons)
• “When” by Stephan Siebert (creative commons)
• “Cloudbank” by Podington Bear (creative commons)
• “Happy Trails (To You)” by the Riders in the Sky (used with artist’s permission)