LaVar Arrington And TJ Houshmandzadeh bring you another great show. The guys discuss Shemar Turner getting Tea Bagged By Micah Pettus, Caleb Williams going into the fetal position after another USC loss. And they might as well play touch with these QB's as once again a roughing the passer was called during the Commanders Vs Patriots game.
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All right, uh, TJ. Let's jump right.
Into this man the Old Miss Game and Texas A and M. In the game, you have Shamar Turner who gets ejected for a personal foul, like a flagrant personal foul because a lineman named Micah Pettis basically did an obscene act and gesture to Shamar Turner.
Bag them.
Well, well, okay, let's take a look at the tea bagging.
Why Shamar Turner was ejected.
Jordan, Oh, look, Mike Copettis has been finishing blocks like this all game and watch Turner get up with the frustration of this.
There, Okay, TJ.
I gotta tell you, man, if I'm giving advice to my child on what mikeah Pettis did to Shamar Turner.
I say, what TJ. You're a man first. That that's first and foremost. You are a man first. You never let nobody disrespect you like that. Me personally, you know, in the game of football, you can't throw punk punches the consequences of what come from that, and so you punch him in a helmet. He ain't gonna fill it. This gonna hurt your hand more than anything. You tried to hit him, which I thought would have dropped him, and it didn't. Then is private, uh, And it didn't drop him, so you obviously didn't hit him there either me me personally, we would have fought after the game. We would have fought after the game. I would have been right at his locker room waiting on him. I've done that before, waited on somebody at the locker room. And so and I'm did it happen?
Did the lockows happened? Did you ever have a time you waited.
And security wouldn't allow it, because you know every team has security, And then they got the police officers that worked the games. But I was so angry that I was like, I don't care what happened. He gonna have to beat my ass, they gonna have to jump me. But somebody gonna feel this, and that was it was just it was just blatantly disrespectful to me. They both should have been at like, you can't disrespect somebody like that and act like you didn't. I hate that You're the aggressor and now you want to play the victim. What did I do? Why do he do this to me? I didn't even do anything to him, Like, now you were the aggressor, you initiated it. But me personally, yeah, I would have tried to meet him in the locker room. Better better hope I don't see him an off season.
When you listen to the video and they air the video, the broadcasters don't even acknowledge what might because all the articles that I read, their conditions, all the articles that I read, nobody says anything about what Micah Pettis did.
And it's the most blatant.
It's one like you could It's as disrespectful as spitting in my face.
You put your nuts on this man head, like.
Think about this.
If somebody was to disrespect my mama or were to spit in my face, those are the two things you could call me a N word to my face, you could call it. You could pretty much do anything you want, and my self control is good, Like I'm good. Like you're not gonna You're not gonna pull it out of me, put your ball sack on my head, player out of you. It's a different story. It's a different story. I'm sorry. And not one person had the frame of mind that's writing about it, or even in the moment where you're like, oh, Pettis is finishing blocks, daughter, dog, look at the way he's finishing blocks. Look here, you can finish a block. You pancake the them. Okay, no problem. But not only did you get up and put your sack on his head, you remained there like I was given account.
I'm gonna watch it again.
I'm gonna watch it again just so I'm I'm not inaccurate on what I'm I'm feeling.
TJ. Like, I counted at least.
Three seconds where he had his nutsack on his man on his head.
Disrespectful man. You don't do those type of things man like, and if you do, there's gonna be consequences like that. It's just disrespectful. Period.
First off, I understand that you get you get ejected for.
Hitting them out.
I get that.
I get that, I get that. But you are looking at this guy and you're saying he's finishing blocks and what he's been finishing blocks all day, and you're praising this dude for how he's playing and how physical he's playing when he's exuding a leude act. Like you said, I'm a man first, like I don't know what advice I give to my child and that moment, because they always get the second guy.
They always get the second guy in.
These situations, if you feel that you've been disrespected, because we're playing football, very very rarely do you feel like somebody disrespected you. You may get beat and he may man handle you or he may win that rep, but that's not disrespectful. You just lost. But if you feel like you're been you've been disrespected, as a man, you do what you feel you gotta do.
But here's I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this, TJ.
Because when I played, I was I was a shit talker, Like I'm gonna talk bad to you, and I'm not talking bad to you. Maybe a few times, a few times the dude I was talking bad to I really didn't like them. Maybe like on one handful of guys, I really just personally I did not like them.
So what I was saying to them was both personal. But I'm talk.
If we're telling words, I can give you words right back, if we're going, if it's right, I can give you right back right. But you can't just oh, I'm gonna keep him right. You can't put you're not no.
But then you stay. You stayed there, You stay, you stay. You got up on him and you stayed there.
Ain't no way and ain't no way, ain't no way, ain't no way, not now, not netta.
I ain't never gonna be that guy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I got to get mine and and and maybe that's maybe that's saying you don't have the type of control to be the proper leader of young men.
I don't know.
But if I'm raising a man, and that means sacrifices being the proper leader of young men in a moment where another man put his nutsack on the top of your helmet, and stay and keep in mind this is during the course of a game.
So you know, dude, you know he put all that stink.
On the bar. If that's your son and he doesn't respond, he gonna hear I'm.
I'm gonna try to beat my own son if my son allows somebody to do that to him.
Very simple.
I'd rather the video show me fist, forearm, whatever it is that Turner did to that young man in that moment. Then to be able to say, son, you exercise great restraint. Look at that, Look at your self control, sir. I self controlled.
Damn that.
I don't want any that's just damn people that. Oh you gotta be the bigger man. You you have to keep your cool. Nah, not in that situation. I'm sorry.
So what you think should happen? He got suspended for the game? Should should the other kids? Should Petties be suspended? Should they come back and make this right?
You know they're not gonna do that that They're they're gonna leave it as is because they're going to act like they don't understand what he was doing. It wasn't malicious, it wasn't with intent, which it was.
Oh, that's just malicious.
And if you're gonna act like that ain't intent or malicious intent, you should be evaluated for having the decision making ability at that position in particular, because that.
I mean, that's not hard at all.
I don't believe anything will happen because the powers that be, they're gonna say he didn't do anything wrong, which they know he did. Uh So, yeah, I think it's it's over.
They better suspend him, if you ask me, they bet y'all better suspend him for putting his nuts on another man's head and keeping them there. You're better suspending. That's all I'm gonna say. Let's move on. Let's stay at the college football level, because a lot was going on Caleb Williams. We've been talking about him. He's been a large topic in college football and in football in sports in general.
Big story. They continue to lose.
They finally fired the guy you were talking about, the defensive coordinator, has not coached defense since he's been coaching defense, and now it's caught up to him doesn't.
Have a job.
They lose, USC loses, and Caleb Williams does a lambeau leap into the stands. He lambeau leaps into his mom's arms, after which he starts sobbing, crying in the stands, sitting on the wall in his mom's arms, with his mom covering him up with a sign. Then he grabs the sign and he further covers himself up so that he could cry with his mom. What are you thinking, what's your first reaction?
I was shocked, honestly, because we've never seen that, never in one thousand percent because of who he is. You know, the camera's on you.
You know the cavers on you, TJ, you know the cameras.
On the cameras on them, and that's why we cover up the face. But I looked at it as it was an organic moment. Man. I don't believe it was planned and premeditated. How man, I just felt.
Like I don't either. I don't think it was planned to premeditate it. I just thought it was soft as it could be.
But he put so much into that game. That's what that told me.
How many dudes you see John, A lot of dudes put on the game. How many dudes is John Lambo leaping? How many dudes is leaping into the stage crowd.
So much into that game to come out on the losing end again and it's on the backs of that defense again. You see what I'm saying. It's it's the same song and dance. It's the same ending, just a different book in the book. The different book is an opponent. We do well. We perform on offense. Our defense can't stop anybody. I tweeted this last night or no Saturday, USC would still be in college football playoff contention if they had any defensive coordinator in the Pac twelve that's not named, they would still be in contention. If he wasn't there as a coordinator. And what really showed me was when he came out and said I hadn't seen that will route on film when they played Utah Alex Grinch, they ran it the week before against cal Are you really watching film? Are you really watching the film? And so Alex Grinch's defense has cost USC an opportunity at two seasons that could have been historic with a quarterback that many believe is one of the best college football quarterbacks ever. And you have nothing to show for it. And like I said, you are out here. These kids at Sea's lucky they fired them because they wouldn't have got They would have had no top defensive recruits in southern California had Alex Grinch been their defensive coordinator. These dudes was going to decommit and they were not going to USC. So if they lucky, they fired him because they would have lost out on a lot of mad Reardon who goes to Sierra Canyon. He just committed to USC about forty five minutes after they fired Grinch, one of the top DB's in the country. About forty five minutes. I remember Madden was a little kid starting corner at Sierra Canyon, can run, smart, comes from a good family. He just committed. Is that a coincidence or not?
I don't know, man. I think the defense has stunk under Undergrinch. I agree with you there, but my focus is on appearance and spectacles. Like bro, when you on top, you on top, my gie, you on top, you on top. There have been plenty of times where you was on top and you could have leaped into them stands.
He said, the exact way, and he did.
He would do that a lot. He wouldn't. He hugg his mom, talked to his dad and walk off. Hey, but you know what I'm saying, You can't grind when you win and sing the blues when you lose. Is that what you're saying? Is that what you're saying you can't grind when you win and sing them.
All I'm saying is all I'm saying is is if I'm going to outward like I'm not. First off, I know that wasn't choreographed. I know that wasn't predetermined. That was in the moment he wanted to hug his mom. He jumped up there to hug his mom, and he had his moment like, yeah, I get that. I'm Caleb Williams. I'm considered largely in part to be one of the greatest, if not the greatest, college quarterbacks while I'm still playing.
Am I wrong for being Maybe this is old school?
Maybe this doesn't apply to twenty twenty three, Cause, my god, I know that this world seems to be a very very different place that we live in nowadays, very acceptable to accept.
If that, Matt, if that means anything? Am I wrong? Now?
We just asked what the advice would be to your child if he got some nuts slapped on his head and they kept him on his head out an extended amount of time.
What would you do?
Now here's a moment where I'd ask, what's the advice you give your child? If that was your son, if that was Crewe and you know Crews accomplished.
Well, he's accomplished at this point as.
We were making a Caleb Caleb Williams career in college and you're standing there with your lovely wife and your baby jumps up into the stands and starts bawling uncontrollably and covers his face with his mom.
What you say, boy, you know the camera's on. You get your button in that locker room. You're gonna play another game. Let's not do this out here right now. I know this hurts, It should hurt because you put a lot into this, But don't let them see you like this. Don't let them see you like this. And I would have told you been going to the locker room.
Let me first by saying, warriors can cry.
Crying in public, to me, is such a sign of strength more than it as a sign of weakness.
Warriors can cry. Let me first start off by saying that a warrior can cry. But my advice to my son in that moment, you cross them lines first and foremost. This is what I teach my kids and anybody I coach. We've coached together, so you know this how I roll, I turn into somebody in something totally different. Once I cross them white lines. You cross them white lines. It's the Serengetti. The Serengetti is a national wildlife reserve where wild animals.
Isn't crazy like how certain people don't transform them like it's crazy because I know when I played, I was just like I was, I don't know, bro, just turn into somebody else. It was weird, brou I'd be like, I don't know, yeah, I get that.
Game.
Game.
Look, we come off the game, phelp, Hey, how y'all do it? And that might be crazy. We might be the ones that are crazy. We might truly be the one that are compartmentalizing crazy. But I'd be damn if I had my son not compartmentalizing crazy. In the moments of being a warrior versus being a child, It's okay to be a child. It's okay to be emotionally emotionally you know, dreamed, or emotionally distraught or defeat it. But you do not show the world your weakness. Do not show weakness at any point in time when you have shown to be the strong that you have been all along. And that's what I would be telling now in the moment, in the moment I'm gonna grab my son and be like, gut up, son, Like, gut it up you all right, suck it up, gut it up, like, get down, dry your eyes and go be a leader.
That's what I was saying to me because of how our generation grew up. Gut it up. Don't do this for him. For him, Caleb Williams, to get that out. That's a good thing because you get that. I think there's a listen, there's a time. You get that out right. Now he's over it. Now, he's over it because he let all of that out. It's not gonna be all that pent up frustration inside. He let it out. He goes in into the locker room. He wakes up on Sunday, which was yesterday. He feels good when he wakes up on Sunday. He felt good because he didn't hold all of that in. He got that.
You don't have to do it in front of the entire world. When you know the entire world.
Is watching you.
You do not have to do it in front of the entire world.
I agree with that, but sometimes I used to see I've had moments, I've had movements.
And you and I both know if my parents are out of game, if my parents are at a game, If your parents were out of game and of your loved ones were at a game, when's the one time, namely, one time you did not see them and was not able to hug them and love on them before you even got on the bus or went to where you were going. Name one time where you weren't able to see your family when they came to your game and you did not see them in the in the in the tunnel, in the in the.
Tailgate area, wherever it is. Name one time where you didn't see them.
Every game, but every game. That's the emotion that he had right then and there. I wouldn't have done it, But I don't fault him for that because I don't know how he was raised. He may be raised to where he's been taught. If you feel a certain way, you express that, and that's how he felt.
I don't, And there's nothing again, I don't think there's anything wrong with expressing how you feel.
I don't. I really don't.
So I may come across as a look at tad bit like, well, which one is it?
LeVar.
I don't have a problem with that. I just had a problem with that. I do have a problem. I have a problem with you being this sturdy human being that has won the heisman, that has been a generational transcending of the game, of the sport and the nil era, and a player, and you're weeping your week like you you leap into the stands and you're in a fetal position with your mom crying while they cover your face up.
I didn't like it. Now, that's just me personally.
I felt like someone of his caliber and his stature and what he's accomplished, do it somewhere else. For everything that you represent, for everything that you stand for, where you're heading, where you're going. You're about to go into a locker room full of grown ass men and lead them as a rookie next year, do it somewhere else.
I'm you're a leader. I mean, he can still be a leader and cry. That doesn't make him less of a leader.
I don't like it. I just don't like it. I don't like the optics of it. I just don't like it.
It could be a personal thing, but I just think times have changed.
I don't like that. You're a warrior, a warrior.
Come from our generation that don't like it. I'm not saying I like it. But to me, when you can do that publicly, it's such a sign of strength because I'm not afraid to be vulnerable knowing that they can.
It's not the act of crying. It's not the act of crying. It's the act of jumping. It's the act of doing it in public the way that.
You did it.
You could cry, you could cry, you can shed tears in public for losing the game. But you're gonna jump into your mom's arms, and your mom's just holding you like you a baby. Like she was holding him like he was like five months old, bro fresh out the womb.
She was holding him like he was fresh out the womb.
TJ always be a mother man, always.
All she had to do, all she had to do was pull out a big ass, big boy bottle with a passi fire nipple on it and put it in his mouth. And and he's went back to his childhood, his baby years of development. That's all he was short of was either breast milk or similac. It was one of the two. But that was the only thing that separated him from being a baby in that moment.
And I ain't like it. I just I didn't like it.
I probably will get get pilayed on social media for this take. People are going to say, you're you're a fake, You're a fake, tough guy, all that stuff. I'm really not. I'm really not. I believe in showing your emotions. If he had cried, like see your mom, like you have tears, come down, okay, But to be held in a fetal position, you dove up there and you're and you're being held in a fetal position, dog.
I just don't know, and hanging off the side his mom. Come home, Bro, did you say it?
The fet position?
Dog?
God?
Fetal position? Go check out the film fetal position.
Oh God, look at it.
Let's look at it. Let's look at it again. Here, let's look at it again. I'm sorry, man, you got to do better.
TJ. You got to do better, TJ. You into Sarah Getty.
Lies don't cry.
When they're into Sarregatty and they missed their food for today.
They go hungry. I'm hungry. I don't go crying to mama.
Hey, I ain't.
Gonna looking for mama lying this. I gotta go try to hunt again.
Experiencing that since you've come to usc Okay, I don't blame.
You might cry. You might cry.
Yeah, I don't blame them. Why not?
Yeah? Speaking of speaking of defense, let's transition to our last topic of conversation. The Commanders and in their game against the Patriots, you had a d defensive of player that that was on a pass rush gets to the quarterback and it looks like it's a sack, like it's a routine sack of the quarterback, and it's a roughing the passer fifteen yard penalty.
Here we're down at ten.
Shows take him down back of the forty eight yard line.
There's a flag.
Personal file roughing the passer defense fifty five.
TJ. Husman Zada. I've been saying this for quite some time.
Just don't just just admit you don't want your quarterbacks getting hurt. You don't want them getting touched. You don't want them getting touched. So stop so so stop having them get touched. If you get if you can touch, like one hand tag, if I can touch the quarterback he's down, I'm sorry, let's.
Make it one hand tag and be one hand. But it should be really to the point where if you can get two firm hands on him, he's down because too many times, even if you watch when a quarterback is running on the sideline Pat mahons, and these guys will act like they're gonna run out of bounds and keep running and run or.
Are they going to act like a are they gonna act like they're gonna full back pull it down?
But have been told err on the side of caution, and caution is we want to keep the quarterbacks healthy. We want to keep them healthy. But too many times these penalties are costing teams games. And when you cost the team a game you're caught, you're possibly costing their coach his livelihood because they get or play. So I don't like it, but this is where we are. They don't want quarter back And so you got a one hand because you can just reach out to two hands.
A yeah, if you if you're gonna sit there and judge these dudes off of what you're judging them off of right now, make it one.
Hand test today And Josh Allen is scrambling to the right. He's about and he gets some yards. The DN really could have blew him up, and he tried to crack and he broke the tackle and got like ten more yards. But if he blows them up, that's a penalty. And it's almost as if they don't care if the quarterbacks get extra yards or act like you're running out of bounds, uh or run.
You over, put their shoulder down, run through your life. Look got how tough Josh Allen is on that run. He's a big, rumbling, stumbling QB. Look at that he can run them. Come on, man, get out of here.
But I will say this, They've been saying this since these rules, this rule has been implemented. They want the quarterback healthy. They don't want the starting quarterback to be hurt, and so it will never be too hand touched. How do you tackle them? I don't know. You can't hit him.
The referees need to start blowing it dead before the tackler get the pass rusher, the defender gets to the quarterback, can't get.
The low Where can you hit them?
You can't hit them, bru the strike zone is so small. And then on top of that, what do you do once you strike them, because now they're throwing penalties on follow through. You take him down and you follow through it to him, it's a flag, Like what are you like?
What?
What Man, there's nobody else on the field that if you hit that way, not a receiver, tight end, receiver, if you hit that way, a running back, No nobody else on the field that if you hit that way, you're getting a flag.
So why are you singling it out to one?
I remember running the slant route, man, and I didn't get the ball. They threw it to the other side.
Man.
The motherfucking safety hit me so hard, bro I got up ready to fight. I didn't even get the ball. Never forget Roy Williams and he was playing the Cowboys, and nowadays he would probably get thrown out the game for that hit. Because the ball it had to come to me any smoke.
That was how football was supposed to be played.
Oh, I was pissed.
You know how Bruh? You know how many crossers I assassinated in my life?
Bruh?
A lot A lot of assassinations took place where they didn't even have the ball and the ball went away.
A lot a lot of that is mental warfare.
I got, I've gotten linemen, I've gotten every other position from tight end to running backs and even and even quarterbacks if you run down and even punters if you come into the serengetti where the wildlife is free to hunt, then you're either gonna be the hunter or you're gonna be the hunted. That's what happens in between them white lines. And if you don't understand that it's that serious when you come in between them lines, then you have no business being out there. I hate that there's all these mixed signals of how a defender is supposed to play the game of football as it applies to making hits. I saw some plays called flagrance and targeting. I saw same type of play where it wasn't called.
I listen.
I'm not one to jump out at the referees and say.
This, that and the other.
They got a tough job, I get it, But can we please figure out am I allowed to hint?
Am I out to be be physical or not?
Because that dude that put his nuts on on that young man's head, he was being lodded.
And praised for being physical and finishing.
But yet, but yet, when you respond, when you respond or when you come back, because it doesn't even have to be the punching in the nuts that that's the response. You could have come off the ball and made that play that the Commanders did on Mac Jones to get your get right and your get back, and you're getting flagged fifteen yards first down in a penalty that, as you mentioned, could cost a team the game and some critical points doing the game.
Commanders won the game and that play didn't impact them winning or losing. That's a good thing, but it.
Has these calls on quarterbacks, haven't oh, for sure games and for sure games, for sure games.
Big game. All right, Well, let's see how it all plays out.
I wonder if if Micah Pettis is going to get suspended.
I want to see if that happens.
I'm leading the charge on a petition for that, a petition. I'm petitioning for you to have to sit down. There's no room for that in this game. You do not put your nuts on another man's head.
In this game. There's no respect at all, not for the game, not for the player, not for yourself.
There's no respect when you drop your sack on a man's head like that and keep them there.
I just don't. I don't bang with that at all. I don't bang with that at all. Listen, as far as with Caleb Williams TJ. You know everybody.
Everybody's got their own way of doing their things. I don't bang with that either. I don't bang with that either. I'll hug my mama and I'll cry on her shoulder, away from the cameras, away from all that attention. I'm gonna hug my mama and I'm gonna cry, and i'm gonna tell her I'm sorry, I'll let you down, or whatever it is that.
I may have felt in that moment.
I'm gonna hug, hug my dad, hold my dad, dap my dad up, whatever it may be. Not doing it in front of the cameras, not doing it in front of the cameras for a multitude of reasons, I don't bang with it.
And thirdly, allow them cats to be professionals.
And if they work their asses off to get to the quarterback, by dang it, then let that man finish the play. It's all I'm saying. Yeah, I'm upset. It's an upset Monday. I'm upset.
TJ.
No.
I I the last point, the first and last. I agree with the middle not so much.
Okay, Okay, that's it. That's all. You're going.
Go ahead and lay in that fetal position in your mama's arm and get that breast milk my dog.
You go ahead and do what you need to do. That's t J.
Hutchman's ada. I'm LeVar Arrington. This is up on Game. Make sure you subscribe. Check us out on the podcast. Check out the radio show on Saturday nine to eleven or noon to two pm. Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll be back tomorrow. We'll check you out, all right, till then, holler
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