You know, I mentors Sean Merriman, so when I saw the commercial hit, I was like, hey, you got Sean dogging cats. But then here comes Steve grabbing the ball, and that's you.

You know, I mentors Sean Merriman, so when I saw the commercial hit, I was like, hey, you got Sean dogging cats. But then here comes Steve grabbing the ball, and that's you.

Bumps because you talk about the concept of it and what we're trying to show. The grind from week to week seasons, you know, through the fall, through the winter, right regardless.

Bumps because you talk about the concept of it and what we're trying to show. The grind from week to week seasons, you know, through the fall, through the winter, right regardless.

Indoor the other was changing on.

Indoor the other was changing on.

Yeah, exactly right, right, every week you got a grind on the game.

Yeah, exactly right, right, every week you got a grind on the game.

Conversations with a Legend and now here's LeVar Errington.

Conversations with a Legend and now here's LeVar Errington.

Welcome to another exciting edition of Conversations with a Legend, presented to you by up On Game Presents. I got my man steam tailback. I mean, if that's what you want to call him, some people might call him a freak train big dog. Got my man Steve Jackson with me on the show. Appreciate you coming in joining the show man, having a conversation with you.

Welcome to another exciting edition of Conversations with a Legend, presented to you by up On Game Presents. I got my man steam tailback. I mean, if that's what you want to call him, some people might call him a freak train big dog. Got my man Steve Jackson with me on the show. Appreciate you coming in joining the show man, having a conversation with you.

How's life been, man, How you doing well?

How's life been, man, How you doing well?

Thank you firston for having me man. I grew up a huge fan of yours when I was in high school. I watched you at Penn State, So I appreciate this conversation that we're about to have.

Thank you firston for having me man. I grew up a huge fan of yours when I was in high school. I watched you at Penn State, So I appreciate this conversation that we're about to have.

But I'm doing good, man. You know, I look at the game.

But I'm doing good, man. You know, I look at the game.

I just marveled about what we were able to accomplish ourselves because you realize all the things that's not in your control when you're in that when you're in that huddle, you think.

I just marveled about what we were able to accomplish ourselves because you realize all the things that's not in your control when you're in that when you're in that huddle, you think.

You are right right.

You are right right.

So you're from Vegas, Vegas, cat, did you like tell me about that experience, Like is it just born in Vegas?

So you're from Vegas, Vegas, cat, did you like tell me about that experience, Like is it just born in Vegas?

Did you move around? Like?

Did you move around? Like?

What what what was the what's your background, what's the upbringing?

What what what was the what's your background, what's the upbringing?

What? What was that like?

What? What was that like?

No, So I'm born and raised Las Vegas, one of the few. And you know, my mom and dad are from Arkansas.

No, So I'm born and raised Las Vegas, one of the few. And you know, my mom and dad are from Arkansas.

Dad ye had.

Dad ye had.

Dad did some time in the military, and once he got back from the war. Being no war, they moved across the country. You know, he said, sixty dollars and a car pull of stuff and moved out west. Heard they were hiring Vegas, got a gig on the strip. He and my mom both about found jobs on the strip during the New Year's time. You know, you up employment expecting for the crowds, and then back then, you know, stuck around. Thirty five years later, he worked his way up from an entry level job of being a porter to being a casino manager, and you know when that's when you know, family owned and people are able to move up the corporate ladder sort of speak.

Dad did some time in the military, and once he got back from the war. Being no war, they moved across the country. You know, he said, sixty dollars and a car pull of stuff and moved out west. Heard they were hiring Vegas, got a gig on the strip. He and my mom both about found jobs on the strip during the New Year's time. You know, you up employment expecting for the crowds, and then back then, you know, stuck around. Thirty five years later, he worked his way up from an entry level job of being a porter to being a casino manager, and you know when that's when you know, family owned and people are able to move up the corporate ladder sort of speak.

Sure, I mean what was that like, man? Like growing up in Vegas? Like people think of the Strip, people think of so many different things. You know, football doesn't come to mind. I mean you might think of the running Rebels or something like that from UNLV, but football you don't say, Hu Vegas. I mean, I know Bishop Gorman is there, and I know that they they've.

Sure, I mean what was that like, man? Like growing up in Vegas? Like people think of the Strip, people think of so many different things. You know, football doesn't come to mind. I mean you might think of the running Rebels or something like that from UNLV, but football you don't say, Hu Vegas. I mean, I know Bishop Gorman is there, and I know that they they've.

Had some good football, But I mean, what's that like? What's football like there?

Had some good football, But I mean, what's that like? What's football like there?

No?

No?

It was you know, football here growing up especially, was very low profile. It wasn't a big scene. And now that you know, you have some of these national names that you reference, uh, you know, disposures getting out there, But growing up when I was here, no, I mean it's city living, getting in outside all day but getting in before dark, and very little fields to work on your crafts, so to speak.

It was you know, football here growing up especially, was very low profile. It wasn't a big scene. And now that you know, you have some of these national names that you reference, uh, you know, disposures getting out there, But growing up when I was here, no, I mean it's city living, getting in outside all day but getting in before dark, and very little fields to work on your crafts, so to speak.

So I was a kid man.

So I was a kid man.

I just ran, ran heels, ran some of the mountains around here, putting a lot of work on bleachers back then, you know that kind of stuff. And I was just dedicated to what I thought, or what was an escape for me? And the reality was I wasn't. It wasn't much going on. The city was only really poor adults at that time, so you couldn't go on the strip as a kid and the other stuff he had going on.

I just ran, ran heels, ran some of the mountains around here, putting a lot of work on bleachers back then, you know that kind of stuff. And I was just dedicated to what I thought, or what was an escape for me? And the reality was I wasn't. It wasn't much going on. The city was only really poor adults at that time, so you couldn't go on the strip as a kid and the other stuff he had going on.

You know, I was.

You know, I was.

Fortunate enough to come from a two parent household, so my dad wouldn't let me get involved in that.

Fortunate enough to come from a two parent household, so my dad wouldn't let me get involved in that.

So my escapeism was the football field.

So my escapeism was the football field.

I could dig that. You you're a big bat.

I could dig that. You you're a big bat.

You you were, you were a big and you talk about being a fan of me.

You you were, you were a big and you talk about being a fan of me.

I was a fan of you watching you.

I was a fan of you watching you.

Tote the bill, tote the rock for the beavers man, and all I could remember was I want to hit him, like I want to play against this dude, because you were explosive, you were fast, and your type of back. I mean, there's there's really like a handful of guys that you can say were the type of back that you were. You know, you throw Eddie George up into the mix of that. I mean, there's a few more that you know you could kind of throw out there.

Tote the bill, tote the rock for the beavers man, and all I could remember was I want to hit him, like I want to play against this dude, because you were explosive, you were fast, and your type of back. I mean, there's there's really like a handful of guys that you can say were the type of back that you were. You know, you throw Eddie George up into the mix of that. I mean, there's a few more that you know you could kind of throw out there.

But you were a break the mold type of back.

But you were a break the mold type of back.

When you were coming out, you said high school ball was relatively low key, and obscure.

When you were coming out, you said high school ball was relatively low key, and obscure.

How were you were you recruited?

How were you were you recruited?

I mean because the size and the speed and athleticism. I mean, you had to be a top rated guy coming out, right.

I mean because the size and the speed and athleticism. I mean, you had to be a top rated guy coming out, right.

Yeah, I was.

Yeah, I was.

I was in the recruiting and that back then, little books, magazines, yeah, assalons right right right, but never could this steam point of national notoriety. So you know, schools like Nebraska recruited me, but they saw me as a defender, you know.

I was in the recruiting and that back then, little books, magazines, yeah, assalons right right right, but never could this steam point of national notoriety. So you know, schools like Nebraska recruited me, but they saw me as a defender, you know.

More and more as a linebacker.

More and more as a linebacker.

And you know the other bigger schools here on the West coast, you had U C l A with the Sharon Foster at the time, and they just wasn't winning. And so when I was coming out of high school, USC was down. My freshman year at Oregon State was Pete Curll's first year at C. So that dominance of south you know, Southern California, which just wasn't prevent when I was getting ready to come out and get one to have a scholarship. So the Northwest and and me wanted to be in the Pac Ten kind of were locked in. And it was like a Destiny coach ericson which I was. I knew his work from Miami Hurricanes. He came, and he came to my house, gave me a pitch of of his life and my life, and a lot of things that he said to me made sense. He had two senior running backs and no one to kind of stay claim to who's going to be the next guy, And I just jumped at the opportunity. You know, I believe that better myself. I believe in my talent that given other underclassmen, I could compete.

And you know the other bigger schools here on the West coast, you had U C l A with the Sharon Foster at the time, and they just wasn't winning. And so when I was coming out of high school, USC was down. My freshman year at Oregon State was Pete Curll's first year at C. So that dominance of south you know, Southern California, which just wasn't prevent when I was getting ready to come out and get one to have a scholarship. So the Northwest and and me wanted to be in the Pac Ten kind of were locked in. And it was like a Destiny coach ericson which I was. I knew his work from Miami Hurricanes. He came, and he came to my house, gave me a pitch of of his life and my life, and a lot of things that he said to me made sense. He had two senior running backs and no one to kind of stay claim to who's going to be the next guy, And I just jumped at the opportunity. You know, I believe that better myself. I believe in my talent that given other underclassmen, I could compete.

You were a terror. Yeah, how how was that?

You were a terror. Yeah, how how was that?

You know a lot of times people have to overcome a lot of elements when they leave from high school to college. I too was a tailback. I was I was a big back, and I was the opposite. I wanted to play defense. I was getting recruited to play tailback, and I didn't want to play tailback.

You know a lot of times people have to overcome a lot of elements when they leave from high school to college. I too was a tailback. I was I was a big back, and I was the opposite. I wanted to play defense. I was getting recruited to play tailback, and I didn't want to play tailback.

I just feel like the.

I just feel like the.

Game can be taken out of your hands and it could be put into somebody else's or into something else, and you could be rendered, you know, kind of a non factor. And I really didn't like I like action. I needed action every play for you going to school. I mean, you chose it, he gave Coach Erickson gave a pitch of his life. You end up there and you were I mean, you didn't have to wait long. From what I can recall, you were right in the mix of it and you were making an impact. What was that like for you, Like, was there any major challenges that that were unforeseen? Like people look at what you were able to do, but then they're sit there and be like, you know, it probably comes easy for him. He probably never had the struggle because he was bigger, stronger, faster than everybody that he was going up against.

Game can be taken out of your hands and it could be put into somebody else's or into something else, and you could be rendered, you know, kind of a non factor. And I really didn't like I like action. I needed action every play for you going to school. I mean, you chose it, he gave Coach Erickson gave a pitch of his life. You end up there and you were I mean, you didn't have to wait long. From what I can recall, you were right in the mix of it and you were making an impact. What was that like for you, Like, was there any major challenges that that were unforeseen? Like people look at what you were able to do, but then they're sit there and be like, you know, it probably comes easy for him. He probably never had the struggle because he was bigger, stronger, faster than everybody that he was going up against.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, So I think the challenge was just getting my duke. As you stated, freshman year, I played as the true freshman. I'm back up two seniors, and the opportunity that I recall is, you know, playing special teams and making an impact there. And that's when I started really buying into it a team sport, right, Because to your point, it did come easy until I got to a college level and when I started really realizing the impact of what you can have on a game if you put in the right positions and then have the opportunities, it started to start to click a little bit. But then when the two senior guys went down against USC in the coliseum and I was thrown in the fire. It was more so showing my commitment in love for the game. You know, I offered often reference to I'm an I'm an old school in mind because I studied you guys so much.

No, So I think the challenge was just getting my duke. As you stated, freshman year, I played as the true freshman. I'm back up two seniors, and the opportunity that I recall is, you know, playing special teams and making an impact there. And that's when I started really buying into it a team sport, right, Because to your point, it did come easy until I got to a college level and when I started really realizing the impact of what you can have on a game if you put in the right positions and then have the opportunities, it started to start to click a little bit. But then when the two senior guys went down against USC in the coliseum and I was thrown in the fire. It was more so showing my commitment in love for the game. You know, I offered often reference to I'm an I'm an old school in mind because I studied you guys so much.

I knew everything about you all because I wanted.

I knew everything about you all because I wanted.

To eventually beat you So with that respect for the game and my knowledge of the game, it was my opportunity. When these two guys went down in the coliseum, I felt like it was just uh, it was a divine intervention, so to speak, and that was that was my chance.

To eventually beat you So with that respect for the game and my knowledge of the game, it was my opportunity. When these two guys went down in the coliseum, I felt like it was just uh, it was a divine intervention, so to speak, and that was that was my chance.

I mean, I've never been to Oregon State. You know, I'm tight with with with TJ. We do a show. I make fun of him a lot like Oregon State this and that. But y'all be producing some ballers out of there. What what was that? Did the Did the success on fill equate to you know, pressures or an interesting life as it applied to you guys, you know, for you in particular off the field.

I mean, I've never been to Oregon State. You know, I'm tight with with with TJ. We do a show. I make fun of him a lot like Oregon State this and that. But y'all be producing some ballers out of there. What what was that? Did the Did the success on fill equate to you know, pressures or an interesting life as it applied to you guys, you know, for you in particular off the field.

That's an interesting question, I believe. Yeah, it's one of those. It's a small town, small college town, very friendly people, but it's still somewhat it's not it's it doesn't have quite the diversity of some of these other larger campuses have right, so and so to speak. When you're one or two percent of the population of what campus is, you got recluse to each other and you got to lean on each other for experience and to make sure you're not tripping, right, Like, this is what I went through today.

That's an interesting question, I believe. Yeah, it's one of those. It's a small town, small college town, very friendly people, but it's still somewhat it's not it's it doesn't have quite the diversity of some of these other larger campuses have right, so and so to speak. When you're one or two percent of the population of what campus is, you got recluse to each other and you got to lean on each other for experience and to make sure you're not tripping, right, Like, this is what I went through today.

Did you experience this or how you have that happen to you?

Did you experience this or how you have that happen to you?

And it's kind of like I just it's it's when you come back to neutral and you feel like, okay, all right, I'm not tripping.

And it's kind of like I just it's it's when you come back to neutral and you feel like, okay, all right, I'm not tripping.

This is the experience of what I am, what I'm going through here in the.

This is the experience of what I am, what I'm going through here in the.

State of Oregon on campus, largely because sometimes you know, what I experienced, okay, is that people want to help, but in helping they kind of drown your voice out because you know, they can't quite living your shoes and to your leans. So although I was this big star athlete on campus, there's still was some experiences that I lacked from what I grew up grew up with and we're used to. So in that setting, it makes you all bald important. It makes the emphasis of family and leaning on one another even more, you know, bolded, because it's really what you're living out training for the game is what you're living out of your college experience, hoping and you know, to take advantage of the opportunity.

State of Oregon on campus, largely because sometimes you know, what I experienced, okay, is that people want to help, but in helping they kind of drown your voice out because you know, they can't quite living your shoes and to your leans. So although I was this big star athlete on campus, there's still was some experiences that I lacked from what I grew up grew up with and we're used to. So in that setting, it makes you all bald important. It makes the emphasis of family and leaning on one another even more, you know, bolded, because it's really what you're living out training for the game is what you're living out of your college experience, hoping and you know, to take advantage of the opportunity.

Who was your person?

Who was your person?

You know, like that's that's a great it's a great answer, and it's respectable.

You know, like that's that's a great it's a great answer, and it's respectable.

But you and I know we be dealing with a whole lot.

But you and I know we be dealing with a whole lot.

Like there's those moments of even if you're doing well, there's moments of like uncertainty, you know, frustration, you know, excitement, There's so many different emotions that especially when you're the star.

Like there's those moments of even if you're doing well, there's moments of like uncertainty, you know, frustration, you know, excitement, There's so many different emotions that especially when you're the star.

You know, who was your person? Was it? Was it a teammate? Was it? My person? Was? Was on the track team.

You know, who was your person? Was it? Was it a teammate? Was it? My person? Was? Was on the track team.

And it was it was a lady lady lion that ran and we were best friends. We knew each other since high school. Wasn't a loving basketball type of story. It wasn't like that, but that was my person. You know, I had the ricky moment like I'm tired of this, you know what I mean, Like I didn't fell to my knees, bro I'm crying, like crying, like I don't understand why things are going this way. And I can remember her talking me off the ledge, like let's jump back in our books when when all else fails. You know, your education is the key and just keep believing in yourself. Did you have a person that that when you had your moments that was like that person that you talked about community and drawing close.

And it was it was a lady lady lion that ran and we were best friends. We knew each other since high school. Wasn't a loving basketball type of story. It wasn't like that, but that was my person. You know, I had the ricky moment like I'm tired of this, you know what I mean, Like I didn't fell to my knees, bro I'm crying, like crying, like I don't understand why things are going this way. And I can remember her talking me off the ledge, like let's jump back in our books when when all else fails. You know, your education is the key and just keep believing in yourself. Did you have a person that that when you had your moments that was like that person that you talked about community and drawing close.

Who was your person?

Who was your person?

So it was a senior running back. The name was Ken Simonson, and he's the school all time lead rusher.

So it was a senior running back. The name was Ken Simonson, and he's the school all time lead rusher.

Right.

Right.

So I was fortunate enough to not only play for a guy that broke a lot of records and kind of set the standard for myself, but also he was a Pittsburg, California guy that Bay area, and he had some sense. He actually made me start looking at the world and it broader and broader terms.

So I was fortunate enough to not only play for a guy that broke a lot of records and kind of set the standard for myself, but also he was a Pittsburg, California guy that Bay area, and he had some sense. He actually made me start looking at the world and it broader and broader terms.

Right.

Right.

I wasn't too social laser focused and just think about football singularly. And he would prove these questions or he'd point out the history of what we were living through, and he was, you know, bringing that kind of awareness to myself. So I was fortunate enough to have a senior running back pour into me so early because he saw the potential. You know, I was humble, you know, I was I was I was willing to put into work, but at the same time, I was a sponge and he fed into that in the right way.

I wasn't too social laser focused and just think about football singularly. And he would prove these questions or he'd point out the history of what we were living through, and he was, you know, bringing that kind of awareness to myself. So I was fortunate enough to have a senior running back pour into me so early because he saw the potential. You know, I was humble, you know, I was I was I was willing to put into work, but at the same time, I was a sponge and he fed into that in the right way.

I'm gonna transition on you the pack. You said, the PAC ten, then it went to the PAC twelve. That ten came and took U c l A and the USC. Now y'all are going to go back to the PAC ten. What's your you're watching it take place. I'm gonna talk to you about nil because obviously we're gonna get to the commercial, one of the most legendary commercials ever shot as well. We're gonna touch on that and how multifaceted you are. But talk to me about what you feel about the PAC ken. Can it survive where you think things are going.

I'm gonna transition on you the pack. You said, the PAC ten, then it went to the PAC twelve. That ten came and took U c l A and the USC. Now y'all are going to go back to the PAC ten. What's your you're watching it take place. I'm gonna talk to you about nil because obviously we're gonna get to the commercial, one of the most legendary commercials ever shot as well. We're gonna touch on that and how multifaceted you are. But talk to me about what you feel about the PAC ken. Can it survive where you think things are going.

Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. I think it will survive.

Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. I think it will survive.

Just the shariness of the population and people are proud of their schools, just like anywhere else in the country. Disappointed USC and U c l A. The you know, to kind of pull the rug from underneath us where and in a year or two you're gonna have negotiation regarding new contract money. And right now it looks like you're so far behind the US, I mean, the SEC and some of these other conferences because of their licenses and their tv RISS but you're not getting a consideration that the Pack was the first one to do a TV deal, right, So you're ahead of yourself at a time where now the markets surpassed us and it's just about having a correction.

Just the shariness of the population and people are proud of their schools, just like anywhere else in the country. Disappointed USC and U c l A. The you know, to kind of pull the rug from underneath us where and in a year or two you're gonna have negotiation regarding new contract money. And right now it looks like you're so far behind the US, I mean, the SEC and some of these other conferences because of their licenses and their tv RISS but you're not getting a consideration that the Pack was the first one to do a TV deal, right, So you're ahead of yourself at a time where now the markets surpassed us and it's just about having a correction.

But more poortland where I think they really.

But more poortland where I think they really.

Lost sight of it is regionally, right, you're not securing the best talent in California or in the southern Western states because some of our best talents being poached by the SEC. So you know, if you think about it in terms of a politics, you're not securing your own borders. So how can you then say, Okay, it's we're the ones that's carrying the conference and you move on to another conference as alliance where you're not doing anything or doing the best that we could to work together as a conference and secure that we keep our best talent regardless of where they go on the West Coast.

Lost sight of it is regionally, right, you're not securing the best talent in California or in the southern Western states because some of our best talents being poached by the SEC. So you know, if you think about it in terms of a politics, you're not securing your own borders. So how can you then say, Okay, it's we're the ones that's carrying the conference and you move on to another conference as alliance where you're not doing anything or doing the best that we could to work together as a conference and secure that we keep our best talent regardless of where they go on the West Coast.

So that's I mean, what do you think happens that do usc UCLA going into the ten? Are they able to recruit better? What what does that mean for Oregon State? What does that mean for or again, I mean what does that mean for the pack?

So that's I mean, what do you think happens that do usc UCLA going into the ten? Are they able to recruit better? What what does that mean for Oregon State? What does that mean for or again, I mean what does that mean for the pack?

Now?

Now?

In terms of that that idea of what the recruitment of the players looks like, especially in the in the areas that that you guys are are in.

In terms of that that idea of what the recruitment of the players looks like, especially in the in the areas that that you guys are are in.

Right.

Right.

So if I'm if I'm Morgan stated, if I'm there, if I'm on this committee, on this board, and we're talking about how are we going to attract new talent, it's to do exactly what we kind of hit on you. You don't you look inwardly and you think about self reflection. We want to bring some of these top athletes in from these areas that is obviously being abandoned.

So if I'm if I'm Morgan stated, if I'm there, if I'm on this committee, on this board, and we're talking about how are we going to attract new talent, it's to do exactly what we kind of hit on you. You don't you look inwardly and you think about self reflection. We want to bring some of these top athletes in from these areas that is obviously being abandoned.

We need to go in there and have a real conversation with them and their families.

We need to go in there and have a real conversation with them and their families.

You know, this is what it looks like now, but this is what you can help us build towards towards the future as well as we're going to allow you to play out you plays early as long as your talent does so in your grace reflect that. But also we're going to make sure that your family is involved on how we're going to help you build a brand for yourself, how to help you go out into the larger world and deal with that. These hurdles that come before us not just about building alliances, but it's about working through issues and problems with other people. And we can have I best give you that example here because and more than likely it's not going to be your normal life or what you've been used to.

You know, this is what it looks like now, but this is what you can help us build towards towards the future as well as we're going to allow you to play out you plays early as long as your talent does so in your grace reflect that. But also we're going to make sure that your family is involved on how we're going to help you build a brand for yourself, how to help you go out into the larger world and deal with that. These hurdles that come before us not just about building alliances, but it's about working through issues and problems with other people. And we can have I best give you that example here because and more than likely it's not going to be your normal life or what you've been used to.

All right, before I get up out of college, I gotta ask you in il because we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about how you have been almost in essence, you know, you have been active, proactive, almost like a savant, and being more than just a football player. We'll get to that as as we move into the next next level of your life in this conversation. But n I l if the nil is there while Steve Jackson is is in in college, what does that look like for you?

All right, before I get up out of college, I gotta ask you in il because we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about how you have been almost in essence, you know, you have been active, proactive, almost like a savant, and being more than just a football player. We'll get to that as as we move into the next next level of your life in this conversation. But n I l if the nil is there while Steve Jackson is is in in college, what does that look like for you?

Oh? I think I think I sent myself apart.

Oh? I think I think I sent myself apart.

You know what these kids call, you know, content creator or one of these renaissance people is leading the way. I think that's what I would have been in those shoes, you know, because I understand how the storytell Understand that, you know, everyone doesn't get to live these realities that we had a chance to, and how to package that in a way that it's approachable.

You know what these kids call, you know, content creator or one of these renaissance people is leading the way. I think that's what I would have been in those shoes, you know, because I understand how the storytell Understand that, you know, everyone doesn't get to live these realities that we had a chance to, and how to package that in a way that it's approachable.

I have a I have a gift for that.

I have a I have a gift for that.

Mm hm, you always have. So let's let's let's let's delve into that. You end up going as a high drive pick you go to the Rams. The Rams was still a hot team at the time, still in Saint Louis, and hell I can remember playing against y'all and you were were the guy.

Mm hm, you always have. So let's let's let's let's delve into that. You end up going as a high drive pick you go to the Rams. The Rams was still a hot team at the time, still in Saint Louis, and hell I can remember playing against y'all and you were were the guy.

What was that?

What was that?

What was that experience like for you in terms of you marketing and branding yourself and and how did that play a part in in your popularity because you grew to popularity really quickly coming into the league. And you know, obviously, again if we were to say Saint Louis, the Saint Louis Rams, they were like the popular team, people would be like really like everybody's thinking in LA these days, But that was a vibe back then to be on the Rams and you were. You were on that that I want to say, the last of the Mohicans before it went bad kind of sort of for Saint Louis and they ended up leaving.

What was that experience like for you in terms of you marketing and branding yourself and and how did that play a part in in your popularity because you grew to popularity really quickly coming into the league. And you know, obviously, again if we were to say Saint Louis, the Saint Louis Rams, they were like the popular team, people would be like really like everybody's thinking in LA these days, But that was a vibe back then to be on the Rams and you were. You were on that that I want to say, the last of the Mohicans before it went bad kind of sort of for Saint Louis and they ended up leaving.

So what was that like for you?

So what was that like for you?

Being that like you took over the mantle, Like wasn't going to be easy to do it with Marshall Folk being the guy he was, and you know Arland was up in the mix out of point in time.

Being that like you took over the mantle, Like wasn't going to be easy to do it with Marshall Folk being the guy he was, and you know Arland was up in the mix out of point in time.

But what what was that like for you?

But what what was that like for you?

H was challenge?

H was challenge?

You know, everything you said, was it was an upward battle, upward hill battle because you know, you have two times officer in MVP and Marshall and some of the other things he was able to accomplish.

You know, everything you said, was it was an upward battle, upward hill battle because you know, you have two times officer in MVP and Marshall and some of the other things he was able to accomplish.

Wow, he was still there.

Wow, he was still there.

He was still there being you know, uh, and here I come. I'm not clean cut. You know, I had these long hair tattoos. So I looked the pullou opposite of what they've grown to luve and for me to come in and challenge that, it wasn't going to be easy.

He was still there being you know, uh, and here I come. I'm not clean cut. You know, I had these long hair tattoos. So I looked the pullou opposite of what they've grown to luve and for me to come in and challenge that, it wasn't going to be easy.

And it wasn't you know, if they had their opinions on me and what.

And it wasn't you know, if they had their opinions on me and what.

I did though, and what was always driven driven in me from high school was reflected on is I was a hard worker. It was why I got it. I got a chance to escape. So regardless of how beat writers wrote about me or how fans felt about this new this new kid trying to take their favorite player's job, I knew that if I continue to just consistently work hard and me just show up, they eventually get to see the.

I did though, and what was always driven driven in me from high school was reflected on is I was a hard worker. It was why I got it. I got a chance to escape. So regardless of how beat writers wrote about me or how fans felt about this new this new kid trying to take their favorite player's job, I knew that if I continue to just consistently work hard and me just show up, they eventually get to see the.

Other side of me.

Other side of me.

And that's eventually what I just did, you know, And it almost made made even more sense because blue collar people are that way. You know, my work after it reflected what their life really is. Yeah, it made more It made their guard come down, and it made me, I guess, seem more approachable.

And that's eventually what I just did, you know, And it almost made made even more sense because blue collar people are that way. You know, my work after it reflected what their life really is. Yeah, it made more It made their guard come down, and it made me, I guess, seem more approachable.

Have you ever heard?

Have you ever heard?

Because when I first was seeing you, you were big, You did have the dreads, you did have the tax and I was a dread too, So I know all about it. I see you going, you going back down the journey as well. I don't know how far you're gonna go with it, but it won't go that far.

Because when I first was seeing you, you were big, You did have the dreads, you did have the tax and I was a dread too, So I know all about it. I see you going, you going back down the journey as well. I don't know how far you're gonna go with it, but it won't go that far.

You had, you had your main.

You had, you had your main.

You had to the Tats and look they who win the war, right, rite the history?

You had to the Tats and look they who win the war, right, rite the history?

Right? That's all you see.

Right? That's all you see.

Yeah, that's all you see now, like so and and and in so many ways, you're you're a pioneer. I mean, if you look at Henry, that's a carbon copy in terms of big, rocked up fast tats dreads. Right, Like you're a pioneer. How does that feel now? Knowing that you had to do that uphill battle? It's almost like in a way, it's almost like an AI type of scenario, right, because you were the first one.

Yeah, that's all you see now, like so and and and in so many ways, you're you're a pioneer. I mean, if you look at Henry, that's a carbon copy in terms of big, rocked up fast tats dreads. Right, Like you're a pioneer. How does that feel now? Knowing that you had to do that uphill battle? It's almost like in a way, it's almost like an AI type of scenario, right, because you were the first one.

Like literally, I could.

Like literally, I could.

Say confidently I'm thinking, I'm you know, you could think about like them you boys like nausea dive important A few of them, Edgar and James.

Say confidently I'm thinking, I'm you know, you could think about like them you boys like nausea dive important A few of them, Edgar and James.

But they weren't. They weren't larger than life figures coming in. It wasn't like this.

But they weren't. They weren't larger than life figures coming in. It wasn't like this.

Big, tall, ginormous running back tats and dreads and he's he's out on them.

Big, tall, ginormous running back tats and dreads and he's he's out on them.

Like, what was that like for you? Now? When you look at where the game is, the culture of the game, now what you know, how does that make you feel?

Like, what was that like for you? Now? When you look at where the game is, the culture of the game, now what you know, how does that make you feel?

You know, it makes me feel good because it means that I did my part right, you know. Not only did I you know, help break it into the day to day Sunday football watchers television said, you know, because you're talking about the commercials and things like that, right, I was able to be on the sphearhead of that. But also I guess I handled myself in a way that they didn't have those those stereotypes you want to put on that look or what you want to assume about that person that looks like, you know what I look like.

You know, it makes me feel good because it means that I did my part right, you know. Not only did I you know, help break it into the day to day Sunday football watchers television said, you know, because you're talking about the commercials and things like that, right, I was able to be on the sphearhead of that. But also I guess I handled myself in a way that they didn't have those those stereotypes you want to put on that look or what you want to assume about that person that looks like, you know what I look like.

I broke those those I.

I broke those those I.

Helped break some of those doors down to make now that these guys are getting contracts and theseials and not having that second thought of what I knew I faced in the boardroom.

Helped break some of those doors down to make now that these guys are getting contracts and theseials and not having that second thought of what I knew I faced in the boardroom.

It just it proves that I did my.

It just it proves that I did my.

Job, So let's let's talk about that led to endorsements, knocking down the doors. I just had this conversation with my homie yesterday, so I'm real tight.

Job, So let's let's talk about that led to endorsements, knocking down the doors. I just had this conversation with my homie yesterday, so I'm real tight.

You know. I mentored Sean Merriman.

You know. I mentored Sean Merriman.

So when I saw the commercial hit, I was like, hey, like, hardest commercial to this day. It's still the hardest one to this day. The last of the Mohicans, I referenced earlier. They're playing the theme music from from the Muse, from the movie you got Sean dogging cats. But then here comes Steve grabbing the ball and rolling out and doing what he's doing, and that's you.

So when I saw the commercial hit, I was like, hey, like, hardest commercial to this day. It's still the hardest one to this day. The last of the Mohicans, I referenced earlier. They're playing the theme music from from the Muse, from the movie you got Sean dogging cats. But then here comes Steve grabbing the ball and rolling out and doing what he's doing, and that's you.

How does that?

How does that?

I mean, in the moment, I'm sure it's like, man, that's a pretty cool commercial. But where you are now, how do you look at a moment like that? Like how do you internalize that you're part of one of the most iconic Nike commercials ever shot?

I mean, in the moment, I'm sure it's like, man, that's a pretty cool commercial. But where you are now, how do you look at a moment like that? Like how do you internalize that you're part of one of the most iconic Nike commercials ever shot?

And it's goosebumps? You know.

And it's goosebumps? You know.

I remember in college we used to get some of the prototype claques, right, and we would get these shoes given to us and practice in and it was like, damn, if I could just find a deal with Nike one day, that would be like one of the freshest, dopest moments that I you know, man, but then to then fast forward to be one of the part of the most iconic commercials the marketing. It changed the way football commercializes itself and how it pushes the products. But to be you know that that prototype that I mean, it outlasts me my time on this earth.

I remember in college we used to get some of the prototype claques, right, and we would get these shoes given to us and practice in and it was like, damn, if I could just find a deal with Nike one day, that would be like one of the freshest, dopest moments that I you know, man, but then to then fast forward to be one of the part of the most iconic commercials the marketing. It changed the way football commercializes itself and how it pushes the products. But to be you know that that prototype that I mean, it outlasts me my time on this earth.

So it's dope.

So it's dope.

It's one is dope, but it's very humbling because I remember just wanting to get some pre product as a college issuest.

It's one is dope, but it's very humbling because I remember just wanting to get some pre product as a college issuest.

Right, how does that make you feel to know again that that guys, you know, it's always who can come up with something next? Like where does the next game changing content comes from? How does that make you feel to know that that's a standard? Like, guys are still probably influenced by that commercial.

Right, how does that make you feel to know again that that guys, you know, it's always who can come up with something next? Like where does the next game changing content comes from? How does that make you feel to know that that's a standard? Like, guys are still probably influenced by that commercial.

How does that like, that's got to be a cool feeling.

How does that like, that's got to be a cool feeling.

It is.

It is.

It is because you talk about the concept of it, and what we're trying to show is the grind from week to week seasons, you know, through the fall, through the winter, right regardless indoor.

It is because you talk about the concept of it, and what we're trying to show is the grind from week to week seasons, you know, through the fall, through the winter, right regardless indoor.

The other was changing on yeah, exactly right, right, every week you got to grind and you know when they're man, you got the pressure of him breathing down your back, or you got the pressure of me rugging ready, were trying to.

The other was changing on yeah, exactly right, right, every week you got to grind and you know when they're man, you got the pressure of him breathing down your back, or you got the pressure of me rugging ready, were trying to.

Bring you over, right, Who's going to stop you? And then next week the challenge only becomes even greater. So for us to be able to convey that in less than a minute, you know, we still they would talk about it nearly twenty years later. It just it was it was I was happy that we put in the effort that we did because we talked about it right as you talk about you like, I want this to be dope. I want people to remember this. So for us to go and put that kind of commendment in and deliver on that, it means that we're gonna stick around for a long time.

Bring you over, right, Who's going to stop you? And then next week the challenge only becomes even greater. So for us to be able to convey that in less than a minute, you know, we still they would talk about it nearly twenty years later. It just it was it was I was happy that we put in the effort that we did because we talked about it right as you talk about you like, I want this to be dope. I want people to remember this. So for us to go and put that kind of commendment in and deliver on that, it means that we're gonna stick around for a long time.

Truth, let's talk about let's stay. Let's stay in that that area. In terms of branding yourself, in terms of being more, you have always proactively been more. Like I always say I'm a guy that played football. I'm not a football player. I've never been a football player. I've always been a dude that played ball and I actually was good at doing it and I love doing it. But I never subscribed to I'm the jersey number on my back, I'm I'm you know, this is what I am. I'm a football player, like I'm that's I love the game. I love what it's done for me. But I was always proactively trying to leverage the game and what it represented to ultimately become what I wanted to be. I saw that in you. I saw you, you know, doing a lot. I know you did the boot camp, the media boot camp. At one point in time, I know you were doing you know, media and different things like that. How has that gone for you? And what was your approach in terms of building your brand and and being you know, I heard you mentioned a renaissance type of guy. How has how how how was that or why was that a mindset for you? How did you approach it? And where are you with that now today?

Truth, let's talk about let's stay. Let's stay in that that area. In terms of branding yourself, in terms of being more, you have always proactively been more. Like I always say I'm a guy that played football. I'm not a football player. I've never been a football player. I've always been a dude that played ball and I actually was good at doing it and I love doing it. But I never subscribed to I'm the jersey number on my back, I'm I'm you know, this is what I am. I'm a football player, like I'm that's I love the game. I love what it's done for me. But I was always proactively trying to leverage the game and what it represented to ultimately become what I wanted to be. I saw that in you. I saw you, you know, doing a lot. I know you did the boot camp, the media boot camp. At one point in time, I know you were doing you know, media and different things like that. How has that gone for you? And what was your approach in terms of building your brand and and being you know, I heard you mentioned a renaissance type of guy. How has how how how was that or why was that a mindset for you? How did you approach it? And where are you with that now today?

Yeah?

Yeah?

So it's the click the ball I guess started rolling and things start clicking for me when times are getting bad at Saint Louis, right, you start giving you you're not on Monday night football, you're not in the prior time spot and the things that you're accomplishing. Its kind of being just read or a small bleep in a paragraph, right, And I was like, holy crap, Now, if I don't get controlled of the narrative now people say now, But I then I was like, if I don't get control of this narrative, I'm quickly going to be a memory. And so I then start going back to what you lived in your journey is actually you started pulling from that as inspiration and the two things that I lived through and in Vegas always promote myself as being one of the greatest cities to escape to, always promising some type of reward for risk, right, And then when I got to Oregon, I saw how Nike was just such a dominant force in the sports world. I started thinking about, Okay, how do I bring these two together for myself? And I did that by shooting a documentary I documented. I did the documenty cause a Week in the Life, you know, and it's telling me the story again more intimate level. And I shot that and we released that on YouTube. And when I saw how much interest I got, you know, I was up for what was called the webby between the Onion La Times and myself. So I'm like, WHOA, I'm onto something here. Now, how do I stick to it? And as I continue to study it and continue the ball that you said the Hollywood boot Camp things start leaning out and leveraging the game that I felt was taken from us and abuse some body. I started leveraging what it was offering to me to grow myself intellectually and in different rooms I couldn't get in in my own.

So it's the click the ball I guess started rolling and things start clicking for me when times are getting bad at Saint Louis, right, you start giving you you're not on Monday night football, you're not in the prior time spot and the things that you're accomplishing. Its kind of being just read or a small bleep in a paragraph, right, And I was like, holy crap, Now, if I don't get controlled of the narrative now people say now, But I then I was like, if I don't get control of this narrative, I'm quickly going to be a memory. And so I then start going back to what you lived in your journey is actually you started pulling from that as inspiration and the two things that I lived through and in Vegas always promote myself as being one of the greatest cities to escape to, always promising some type of reward for risk, right, And then when I got to Oregon, I saw how Nike was just such a dominant force in the sports world. I started thinking about, Okay, how do I bring these two together for myself? And I did that by shooting a documentary I documented. I did the documenty cause a Week in the Life, you know, and it's telling me the story again more intimate level. And I shot that and we released that on YouTube. And when I saw how much interest I got, you know, I was up for what was called the webby between the Onion La Times and myself. So I'm like, WHOA, I'm onto something here. Now, how do I stick to it? And as I continue to study it and continue the ball that you said the Hollywood boot Camp things start leaning out and leveraging the game that I felt was taken from us and abuse some body. I started leveraging what it was offering to me to grow myself intellectually and in different rooms I couldn't get in in my own.

So where are you at with it now?

So where are you at with it now?

Well?

Well?

Now I have my own clothing brand that I'm rocking obs obs. Yes, yeah, the website is obs brand dot com. So thank you for that, all right, But the brand, what the brand is is overcoming the bsublock.

Now I have my own clothing brand that I'm rocking obs obs. Yes, yeah, the website is obs brand dot com. So thank you for that, all right, But the brand, what the brand is is overcoming the bsublock.

Okay. So we're all going to have some issues.

Okay. So we're all going to have some issues.

We're all going to grow up through some things that have traumatize us as kids. There's going to be some hurdle that you believe either gender is holding you back or your ethnic race is holding you back. There's going to be rooms you're going to be uncomfortable in, but you got to navigate that for yourself. No one's going to come safe true be able to navigate. You got to be able to not only communicate your story but also your strengths. What can you provide in that room to be a favor And once you get that and realize how do you make those connections in the room, how do you deliver on that, and I continue to just and I just impressed on the younger generations because I love dealing with younger athletes, dealing with high school students, but because at that point it's so pivotal. You could go left or right, and I'm just trying to press on them that, you know, continue to be uncomfortable because the moment you're in the smartest one in the room, or you don't want the biggest success.

We're all going to grow up through some things that have traumatize us as kids. There's going to be some hurdle that you believe either gender is holding you back or your ethnic race is holding you back. There's going to be rooms you're going to be uncomfortable in, but you got to navigate that for yourself. No one's going to come safe true be able to navigate. You got to be able to not only communicate your story but also your strengths. What can you provide in that room to be a favor And once you get that and realize how do you make those connections in the room, how do you deliver on that, and I continue to just and I just impressed on the younger generations because I love dealing with younger athletes, dealing with high school students, but because at that point it's so pivotal. You could go left or right, and I'm just trying to press on them that, you know, continue to be uncomfortable because the moment you're in the smartest one in the room, or you don't want the biggest success.

In the room, y'all grown that room.

In the room, y'all grown that room.

You to continue to look for how do I overcome the next circumstance of my life?

You to continue to look for how do I overcome the next circumstance of my life?

So motivational.

So motivational.

I sold closed in high school to get by, but it's helping tell the story and motivating that next generation to keep going.

I sold closed in high school to get by, but it's helping tell the story and motivating that next generation to keep going.

True true, I love that.

True true, I love that.

So Obs, make sure you go to OBS brand that is, yes, sir, obsbrand dot com.

So Obs, make sure you go to OBS brand that is, yes, sir, obsbrand dot com.

Yes, sir, Yeah, make sure y'all go. We'll put that up and push that out.

Yes, sir, Yeah, make sure y'all go. We'll put that up and push that out.

Uh, looking at the league, Now, what's your what's your take on it? Because it was it was still it was still bang bang, you know, back then it was still it was still a whole lot more physicality connected to it. You just talking about, you know, some of the things that you got to get addressed, you know, health wise and stuff like that. Before we even started the interview, bro we was thumping back then like it was bumping grind back then. The game has still has some dogs, but largely it's it's a it's an evolved it's a changed approach, it's a changed physicality total overall to how the game is played. How you think you would have done in today's NFL.

Uh, looking at the league, Now, what's your what's your take on it? Because it was it was still it was still bang bang, you know, back then it was still it was still a whole lot more physicality connected to it. You just talking about, you know, some of the things that you got to get addressed, you know, health wise and stuff like that. Before we even started the interview, bro we was thumping back then like it was bumping grind back then. The game has still has some dogs, but largely it's it's a it's an evolved it's a changed approach, it's a changed physicality total overall to how the game is played. How you think you would have done in today's NFL.

You know, I think just to ship they don't hit in practice, right, I think that says that saves and probably left in my career another two or three seasons where you know, I had some of these coaches, they're coming into the team because we were bad the year before.

You know, I think just to ship they don't hit in practice, right, I think that says that saves and probably left in my career another two or three seasons where you know, I had some of these coaches, they're coming into the team because we were bad the year before.

They then they got to toughen you up.

They then they got to toughen you up.

So I'm I mean, I'm living, I'm live practice, right, and then now I have to go out on Sunday and do it again and entertain that in itself. I think length is my career. I'm more dominant. The game is spread out and uh, and I don't I still don't know how officials are calling this crown or the hell oft thing right? So interesting enough, I think the league has been intentions of protecting people, but at the end of the day, you can't gu guarantee anything. So what I challenge the league and say is take care of the guys afterwards and let the game be what it is. It's physical. It's a physical game, and you know those are choosing to play.

So I'm I mean, I'm living, I'm live practice, right, and then now I have to go out on Sunday and do it again and entertain that in itself. I think length is my career. I'm more dominant. The game is spread out and uh, and I don't I still don't know how officials are calling this crown or the hell oft thing right? So interesting enough, I think the league has been intentions of protecting people, but at the end of the day, you can't gu guarantee anything. So what I challenge the league and say is take care of the guys afterwards and let the game be what it is. It's physical. It's a physical game, and you know those are choosing to play.

We live with that.

We live with that.

That's interesting and I like that because you're right, take care of the guys.

That's interesting and I like that because you're right, take care of the guys.

All right, I'm gonna rap with this. I'm gonna rap with this.

All right, I'm gonna rap with this. I'm gonna rap with this.

But you got some legendary dudes that came through Oregon State, and I mentioned them and I do a show on Saturdays with TJ called up on game. Do you have any stories on TJ. Hushman Zada, because I'm just curious. I remember him. Obviously, he's my generation of players. We're a little bit older than you, but you was in at the same time as us going into Oregon State.

But you got some legendary dudes that came through Oregon State, and I mentioned them and I do a show on Saturdays with TJ called up on game. Do you have any stories on TJ. Hushman Zada, because I'm just curious. I remember him. Obviously, he's my generation of players. We're a little bit older than you, but you was in at the same time as us going into Oregon State.

Is there anything on t J. Hushman Zada.

Is there anything on t J. Hushman Zada.

I have nothing.

I have nothing.

Now, you don't have nothing.

Now, you don't have nothing.

I have nothing. He's a good brother, I have not. I have nothing on him.

I have nothing. He's a good brother, I have not. I have nothing on him.

He was always one of those guys that actually taught us to have school pride because before then, you know, before that group got there, it was a losing it was a losing program right to see these guys on Saturday scoring touchdowns, doing the pack down right, they're on live TV doing like some some hood stuff you like, like, I want to I want to roll with them cats.

He was always one of those guys that actually taught us to have school pride because before then, you know, before that group got there, it was a losing it was a losing program right to see these guys on Saturday scoring touchdowns, doing the pack down right, they're on live TV doing like some some hood stuff you like, like, I want to I want to roll with them cats.

I want to be down with So. Teacher has always been a good dude.

I want to be down with So. Teacher has always been a good dude.

Man. I can't say one bad thing about him. And he's very passionate about our legends. The way he talks and interviews is the way he talks behind closed doors, and he's very you know, he he gets the little hands slapped from the table when he's making an emphasis. So my thing is love, man, It's numb of love and respectful him.

Man. I can't say one bad thing about him. And he's very passionate about our legends. The way he talks and interviews is the way he talks behind closed doors, and he's very you know, he he gets the little hands slapped from the table when he's making an emphasis. So my thing is love, man, It's numb of love and respectful him.

True true truth.

True true truth.

All right, before I let you go, Man, you just talked about obs. Is there anything else that you're promoting? Anything else you got going on?

All right, before I let you go, Man, you just talked about obs. Is there anything else that you're promoting? Anything else you got going on?

Talk to me?

Talk to me?

It is so.

It is so.

I have a barber school here in Las Vegas, Nevada. My best friend and I Carl Little's uh. He was our master ball and our instructor there. We grew up together in high school. He's always been someone that actually he grew with me and and our growth individually. He went out and he wanted to become an educator, and I supported that in the sense that we're ranked four.

I have a barber school here in Las Vegas, Nevada. My best friend and I Carl Little's uh. He was our master ball and our instructor there. We grew up together in high school. He's always been someone that actually he grew with me and and our growth individually. He went out and he wanted to become an educator, and I supported that in the sense that we're ranked four.

Ninth in the country as a school district.

Ninth in the country as a school district.

Very limited opportunities here for the juncsters blown up in Vegas outside of industry work and for us to promote individualism, being original and being true to who we are. I believe in creating career paths, not just complaining about it, but actually action and doing something about it. So we came together, put our minds to work, and we created this barber school, the original barber school, which is a second meaning for the obs there, so you can't forget it, but the original barber school here in Last Vegas. We're one hundred percent full with a waiting list just as long as our opening. But it's one that the community has braced. We've given out numerous things to the community, so we're not only taking what we're giving, but we're also giving these young people a career path for them to be able to take advantage in the future.

Very limited opportunities here for the juncsters blown up in Vegas outside of industry work and for us to promote individualism, being original and being true to who we are. I believe in creating career paths, not just complaining about it, but actually action and doing something about it. So we came together, put our minds to work, and we created this barber school, the original barber school, which is a second meaning for the obs there, so you can't forget it, but the original barber school here in Last Vegas. We're one hundred percent full with a waiting list just as long as our opening. But it's one that the community has braced. We've given out numerous things to the community, so we're not only taking what we're giving, but we're also giving these young people a career path for them to be able to take advantage in the future.

But it's speaking professionalism into them as well as helping them build up their clientele.

But it's speaking professionalism into them as well as helping them build up their clientele.

Fire is there a website?

Fire is there a website?

It is?

It is?

It is, so it's a long one, so bear with me. Is the Original Barber School LV for Las Vegas. So original Barberschool LV dot com.

It is, so it's a long one, so bear with me. Is the Original Barber School LV for Las Vegas. So original Barberschool LV dot com.

Does that mean you're planning on going somewhere else?

Does that mean you're planning on going somewhere else?

Absolutely, I know that's right, all right, all right, the original barber School LV dot com. Make sure we're gonna put that up on the bottom of the screen. All right, Man? Is there anything else?

Absolutely, I know that's right, all right, all right, the original barber School LV dot com. Make sure we're gonna put that up on the bottom of the screen. All right, Man? Is there anything else?

Is that is?

Is that is?

I mean as if that's not enough, but I want to make sure anything that you want to put out there, that you have this opportunity to put it out on the platform.

I mean as if that's not enough, but I want to make sure anything that you want to put out there, that you have this opportunity to put it out on the platform.

Anything else you got.

Anything else you got.

Those of that who does not follow me, please follow me on my social media most of them. I'm at SJ three nine on Twitter and then on Instagram. Mom, I am SJ three nine. I use my platform there to hopefully to inspire, to encourage, and to motivate those of you that may be just fans of sports, but also enlightening. I believe in pushing the narrative, pushing people forward. That's what I stand for. That's what I believe in. So I'm continue to grow and I hope you know, enjoy if you decide to follow the growth in myself, and we'll I'll be pushing to the rest of the community.

Those of that who does not follow me, please follow me on my social media most of them. I'm at SJ three nine on Twitter and then on Instagram. Mom, I am SJ three nine. I use my platform there to hopefully to inspire, to encourage, and to motivate those of you that may be just fans of sports, but also enlightening. I believe in pushing the narrative, pushing people forward. That's what I stand for. That's what I believe in. So I'm continue to grow and I hope you know, enjoy if you decide to follow the growth in myself, and we'll I'll be pushing to the rest of the community.

Thank you, Jackson, y'all.

Thank you, Jackson, y'all.

This is Conversations with a Legend presented by up On Game Presents. Man, y'all been blessed today, dope, dude. I've been excited about the opportunity of pursuing to get the interview with you, and it's great to hear from you, continued success to you, and yeah, like we're gonna put this out there because people need they hear the positivity, they need to feel the energy of Juggernauts that have played this game but are humble warriors. Man, You're a humble warrior, and you know I appreciate your approach to to what you do and how you do it and anyway we can support you, we gonna continue to support you, man, So we'll probably most likely be in contact with you to make sure we can we.

This is Conversations with a Legend presented by up On Game Presents. Man, y'all been blessed today, dope, dude. I've been excited about the opportunity of pursuing to get the interview with you, and it's great to hear from you, continued success to you, and yeah, like we're gonna put this out there because people need they hear the positivity, they need to feel the energy of Juggernauts that have played this game but are humble warriors. Man, You're a humble warrior, and you know I appreciate your approach to to what you do and how you do it and anyway we can support you, we gonna continue to support you, man, So we'll probably most likely be in contact with you to make sure we can we.

Could do just that.

Could do just that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That means a lot to me, my man.

That means a lot to me, my man.

Steve Jackson y'all, uh, formerly of the Rams, the Saint Louis Rams played for I want to say the Falcons, right, yes, and I know you ended up with with Belichick.

Steve Jackson y'all, uh, formerly of the Rams, the Saint Louis Rams played for I want to say the Falcons, right, yes, and I know you ended up with with Belichick.

Maybe we'll do another one.

Maybe we'll do another one.

We'll have a whole conversation on that too, because uh, you know, that's always an interesting one. But I got we got, we got some interesting stuff. But we got time. We'll probably circle up at some point and dude, do it again.