Breakups can be brutal, but is there a way to do them well? In this episode of Untidy, Matty and Hannah chat with award-winning journalist and author Sarah Catherall to discuss both the realities and opportunities of separation, co-parenting, and moving forward to survive and thrive.

Sarah has spent over 30 years writing for publications such as New Zealand Listener, The Spinoff, The Post, Stuff, and international media including Vanity Fair and the BBC. She is the author of ‘How to Break Up Well: Surviving and Thriving After Separation’, a candid and insightful guide that combines expert advice with her personal journey through breaking up and beginning again.

Sarah opens up about the emotional rollercoaster of her marriage ending, co-parenting challenges, dating again, and reclaiming her sense of self after separation. She shares wisdom from relationship psychologists, divorce coaches, and her own experiences, making this a must-listen, and an essential handbook, for anyone considering, navigating, and recovering from a breakup, or, supporting someone going through it.

Link mentioned in the show:
Get the book: How to Break Up Well by Sarah Catherall
Sarah's Website: sarahcatherall.co.nz
Follow Sarah on Instagram @scatherall
Related podcast episode: ‘Navigating the wild world of modern dating with Hannah Davison’ on The O-Studio Podcast 
Related podcast episode: ‘Separation & Co-Parenting — The honest messiness with Hannah Davison’ on The O-Studio Podcast

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Breakups can be brutal, but is there a way to do them well? In this episode of Untidy, Matty and Hannah chat with award-winning journalist and author Sarah Catherall to discuss both the realities and opportunities of separation, co-parenting, and moving forward to survive and thrive.
Sarah has spent over 30 years writing for publications such as New Zealand Listener, The Spinoff, The Post, Stuff, and international media including Vanity Fair and the BBC. She is the author of &lsquo;How to Break Up Well: Surviving and Thriving After Separation&rsquo;, a candid and insightful guide that combines expert advice with her personal journey through breaking up and beginning again.
Sarah opens up about the emotional rollercoaster of her marriage ending, co-parenting challenges, dating again, and reclaiming her sense of self after separation. She shares wisdom from relationship psychologists, divorce coaches, and her own experiences, making this a must-listen, and an essential handbook, for anyone considering, navigating, and recovering from a breakup, or, supporting someone going through it.
Link mentioned in the show:
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<li aria-level="1">Get the book: <a href="https://www.whitcoulls.co.nz//how-to-break-up-well-6914072?gad_source=1&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjw-e6-BhDmARIsAOxxlxVvk8zKdqGd-SWDtWCViKZn5XainEwwXr67RP0IvSj5PFLY_rsPzqQaArQNEALw_wcB">How to Break Up Well by Sarah Catherall</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Sarah's Website:<a href="https://www.sarahcatherall.co.nz"> sarahcatherall.co.nz</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Follow Sarah on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/scatherall/">@scatherall</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Related podcast episode: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/0zQSJVt6OodeNyOdni6BXz?si=1f85b1d0df734983">&lsquo;Navigating the wild world of modern dating with Hannah Davison&rsquo; on The O-Studio Podcast</a>&nbsp;</li>
<li aria-level="1">Related podcast episode: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Zb93NDcmVMfNh8rNyxynN?si=e3052fa58a894efd">&lsquo;Separation &amp; Co-Parenting &mdash; The honest messiness with Hannah Davison&rsquo; on The O-Studio Podcast</a></li>
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If you&rsquo;re enjoying Untidy, the best way to show your support is by tapping the &lsquo;+ follow&rsquo; button in your podcast app and subscribing on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@Untidypodcast">YouTube</a>! That way, fresh episodes will always be ready and waiting for you. Help us to keep building this supportive community &mdash; share an episode with a mate, and chuck us a 5-star review &mdash; it helps more people find our Untidy, unfiltered, and relatable chats. Thank you for listening, contributing and supporting this independent production! We&rsquo;re grateful to have you here! &mdash; Hannah &amp; Matty xx
Don&rsquo;t forget! Untidy is made for YOU &mdash; the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess! Follow the show and DM us on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/untidypodcast/">@untidypodcast</a> or email <a href="mailto:hello@untidypodcast.com">hello@untidypodcast.com</a>. Your stories and ideas to help shape the show! Find us online at <a href="https://www.untidypodcast.com/">Untidy podcast</a>. Find Matilda at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/matootles/">@matootles</a> and get your copy of <a href="https://www.whitcoulls.co.nz/the-feel-good-guide-6481627">The Feel Good Guide</a>. Find Hannah at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/hannahedavison/">@hannahedavison</a> and her <a href="https://mybigmoments.com/">My Big Moments</a> children&rsquo;s books at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mybigmoments/">@mybigmoments</a>. Enter code UNTIDY at checkout for 10% off your order.

Untidy podcast honours the person within the parent. Hosts, Matilda Green and Hannah Davison dive into the undergrowth of sex and relationships, mental health, healing, body issues, identity questions, and more with a range of guests. Connect, laugh, learn, and keep moving forward. 

Follow the show and get in touch on Instagram @untidypodcast. Follow Matilda at @matootles and Hannah’s work at My Big Moments and @mybigmoments.

Untidy podcast honours the person within the parent. Hosts, Matilda Green and Hannah Davison dive into the undergrowth of sex and relationships, mental health, healing, body issues, identity questions, and more with a range of guests. Connect, laugh, learn, and keep moving forward. Follow the show and get in touch on Instagram @untidypodcast. Follow Matilda at @matootles and Hannah’s work at My Big Moments and @mybigmoments.

Untidy

Made for you, the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess! Untidy podcast honours the person within the parent. Hosts Matilda Green and Hannah Davison dive into the undergrowth of sex and relationships, mental health, healing, body issues, identity questions, parenting, and much more with a range of incredible guests. Come along to connect, laugh, learn, and keep moving forward. 

Follow the show and get in touch on Instagram @untidypodcast, watch us on YouTube, and TikTok. Follow Matilda at @matootles, Hannah at @hannahedavison, and My Big Moments kids' books at @mybigmoments. Check out the website at Untidy podcast. Get in touch!

Made for you, the people right at the heart of this steaming hot mess! Untidy podcast honours the person within the parent. Hosts Matilda Green and Hannah Davison dive into the undergrowth of sex and relationships, mental health, healing, body issues, identity questions, parenting, and much more with a range of incredible guests. Come along to connect, laugh, learn, and keep moving forward.&nbsp; Follow the show and get in touch on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/untidypodcast/">@untidypodcast</a>, watch us on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@Untidypodcast">YouTube</a>, and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@untidypodcast">TikTok</a>. Follow Matilda at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/matootles">@matootles</a>, Hannah at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/hannahedavison">@hannahedavison</a>, and My Big Moments kids' books at <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mybigmoments">@mybigmoments</a>. Check out the website at <a href="https://www.untidypodcast.com/">Untidy podcast</a>. Get in touch!