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https://material.security/

In this episode, I speak with Patrick Duffy from Material Security about modern approaches to email and cloud workspace security—especially how to prevent and contain attacks across platforms like Google Workspace and Microsoft 365.

We talk about:

• Proactive Security for Email and Cloud Platforms
How Material goes beyond traditional detection by locking down high-risk documents and inboxes preemptively—using signals like time, access patterns, content sensitivity, and anomalous user behavior.

• Real-World Threats and Lateral Movement
What the team is seeing in the wild—from phishing and brute-force attacks to internal data oversharing—and how attackers are increasingly moving laterally through cloud ecosystems using a single set of compromised credentials.

• Customizable, Context-Aware Response Workflows
How Material helps teams right-size their responses based on risk appetite, enabling fine-grained actions like MFA prompts, access revocation, or full session shutdowns—triggered by dynamic, multi-signal rule sets.

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Chapters:

00:00 - Welcome & High-Level Overview of Material Security
02:04 - Common Threats: Phishing and Lateral Movement in Cloud Office
05:30 - Access Control in Collaborative Workspaces (2FA, Just-in-Time, Aging Content)
08:43 - Connecting Signals: From Login to Exfiltration via Rule Automation
12:25 - Real-World Scenario: Suspicious Login and Automated Response
15:08 - Rules, Templates, and Customer Customization at Onboarding
18:46 - Accidental Risk: Sensitive Document Sharing and Exposure
21:04 - Security Misconfigurations and Internal Abuse Cases
23:43 - Full Control Points: IP, Behavior, Classification, Sharing Patterns
27:50 - Integrations, Notifications, and Real-Time Security Team Coordination
31:13 - Lateral Movement: How Attacks Spread Across the Workspace
34:25 - Use Cases Involving Google Gemini and AI Exposure Risks
36:36 - Upcoming Features: Deeper Remediation and Contextual Integration
39:30 - Closing Thoughts and Where to Learn More

➡ Secure what your business is made of with Martial Security:&nbsp; <a href="https://material.security/">https://material.security/</a>
In this episode, I speak with Patrick Duffy from Material Security about modern approaches to email and cloud workspace security&mdash;especially how to prevent and contain attacks across platforms like Google Workspace and Microsoft 365.
We talk about:
&bull; Proactive Security for Email and Cloud Platforms How Material goes beyond traditional detection by locking down high-risk documents and inboxes preemptively&mdash;using signals like time, access patterns, content sensitivity, and anomalous user behavior.
&bull; Real-World Threats and Lateral Movement What the team is seeing in the wild&mdash;from phishing and brute-force attacks to internal data oversharing&mdash;and how attackers are increasingly moving laterally through cloud ecosystems using a single set of compromised credentials.
&bull; Customizable, Context-Aware Response Workflows How Material helps teams right-size their responses based on risk appetite, enabling fine-grained actions like MFA prompts, access revocation, or full session shutdowns&mdash;triggered by dynamic, multi-signal rule sets.
Subscribe to the newsletter at: <a href="https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe">https://danielmiessler.com/subscribe</a>
Join the UL community at: <a href="https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade">https://danielmiessler.com/upgrade</a>
Follow on X: <a href="https://x.com/danielmiessler">https://x.com/danielmiessler</a>
Follow on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiessler">https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmiessler</a>
Chapters:
00:00 - Welcome &amp; High-Level Overview of Material Security 02:04 - Common Threats: Phishing and Lateral Movement in Cloud Office 05:30 - Access Control in Collaborative Workspaces (2FA, Just-in-Time, Aging Content) 08:43 - Connecting Signals: From Login to Exfiltration via Rule Automation 12:25 - Real-World Scenario: Suspicious Login and Automated Response 15:08 - Rules, Templates, and Customer Customization at Onboarding 18:46 - Accidental Risk: Sensitive Document Sharing and Exposure 21:04 - Security Misconfigurations and Internal Abuse Cases 23:43 - Full Control Points: IP, Behavior, Classification, Sharing Patterns 27:50 - Integrations, Notifications, and Real-Time Security Team Coordination 31:13 - Lateral Movement: How Attacks Spread Across the Workspace 34:25 - Use Cases Involving Google Gemini and AI Exposure Risks 36:36 - Upcoming Features: Deeper Remediation and Contextual Integration 39:30 - Closing Thoughts and Where to Learn More

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A Conversation with Patrick Duffy from Material Security

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