Congressman Byron Donalds joins Joe Pags for a wide-ranging, serious conversation about power, control, and why so many American systems feel broken at the same time.

This episode goes far beyond headlines. Donalds explains how political incentives — not compassion or incompetence — drive decisions in Washington, from immigration policy to law enforcement, health care, and federal overreach. He walks through how narratives are manufactured, why enforcement is selectively applied, and how government power quietly expands while accountability disappears.

The discussion touches on immigration and border enforcement, but also zooms out to the deeper issues:
• how incentives shape policy
• why “temporary” government powers never go away
• how control replaces representation
• and what happens when common sense is pushed out of policymaking

Donalds also talks about Florida’s governance model, why it’s working when other states are struggling, and why leadership — not slogans — determines outcomes.

If you’re trying to understand why things feel off in the country, and why the same failures keep repeating no matter the issue, this conversation connects the dots.