Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership with Higheartradiots and Katie. What's up, y'all? Listen? Not only do we have an amazing episode, but before we break it down, we're gonna talk to Tony goo goo goo goold wind, good good wind. And we're just gonna get some you know, chatting with him and see what's up with him.

Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership with Higheartradiots and Katie. What's up, y'all? Listen? Not only do we have an amazing episode, but before we break it down, we're gonna talk to Tony goo goo goo goold wind, good good wind. And we're just gonna get some you know, chatting with him and see what's up with him.

And also you are all obsessed with him, so we can't do we We try to bring you what you want. We try to listen to our glady, your fans, and you all just want Tony all the dang time. So here he is.

And also you are all obsessed with him, so we can't do we We try to bring you what you want. We try to listen to our glady, your fans, and you all just want Tony all the dang time. So here he is.

Take you off, Tony, take your shirt off.

Take you off, Tony, take your shirt off.

Wait, Tony, we don't want to keep you for everybody. I really need to like dig your brain. Can you talk to us about Oppenheimer and how that was to shoot and all of that. Gee, did you see it?

Wait, Tony, we don't want to keep you for everybody. I really need to like dig your brain. Can you talk to us about Oppenheimer and how that was to shoot and all of that. Gee, did you see it?

I haven't seen it yet? Can you believe it? I have to watch it. I'm going to, oh see it.

I haven't seen it yet? Can you believe it? I have to watch it. I'm going to, oh see it.

You'll like it. It's a really good movie and.

You'll like it. It's a really good movie and.

I'm obsessed with it. And he would want to know how your experience was working on and our listeners tell us about it.

I'm obsessed with it. And he would want to know how your experience was working on and our listeners tell us about it.

Yeah, it's really a good movie. I loved it. I looked, man, I was. I was so excited when I got a call saying, oh, Christopher Nolan wants to talk see this part in his movie.

Yeah, it's really a good movie. I loved it. I looked, man, I was. I was so excited when I got a call saying, oh, Christopher Nolan wants to talk see this part in his movie.

I was like, oh my god.

I was like, oh my god.

And it's pretty funny because I said, well, what's the part and they said, we don't really know that. It's a it's a guy who was the chair of this committee of you know, and here he was a real person. And they give me the name and they said, there's no you can't read a script until you say yes and your deal is done. That's like the way Chris works. So I was like, oh, was it a big part of a small.

And it's pretty funny because I said, well, what's the part and they said, we don't really know that. It's a it's a guy who was the chair of this committee of you know, and here he was a real person. And they give me the name and they said, there's no you can't read a script until you say yes and your deal is done. That's like the way Chris works. So I was like, oh, was it a big part of a small.

Part of this?

Part of this?

Well they're saying it's a good part, but we don't really know, and I say, yeah, so I you know, so I go in and do it and and but it was. It was an incredible cast, Oh my god. And it was really thrilling for me because I admired Chris's work so much. He's like a bucket list director. And I was about to start directing my film Ezra, which I did it right after that was just coming out in May.

Well they're saying it's a good part, but we don't really know, and I say, yeah, so I you know, so I go in and do it and and but it was. It was an incredible cast, Oh my god. And it was really thrilling for me because I admired Chris's work so much. He's like a bucket list director. And I was about to start directing my film Ezra, which I did it right after that was just coming out in May.

Thirty First.

Thirty First.

Baby kind of Ali Rose Bern vera for me anyway, Yes, I'm so so it was really inspiring to work with him.

Baby kind of Ali Rose Bern vera for me anyway, Yes, I'm so so it was really inspiring to work with him.

He I get this.

He I get this.

So the way that Chris works, there's like it's super efficient. There is no cell phones allowed anywhere even nearer the set, no devices at all. No one goes back to their trailers. Everyone is like, there are no stand ins and other words for the listeners.

So the way that Chris works, there's like it's super efficient. There is no cell phones allowed anywhere even nearer the set, no devices at all. No one goes back to their trailers. Everyone is like, there are no stand ins and other words for the listeners.

I love.

I love.

What often happens in a set is the actors. There's a lot of time, you know, you rehearse a scene, and then while they're getting the cameras set up, they're lighting, and they have what are called stand ins, which are actors who come in and walk your part, like all of a stand The three of us would have a stand in to stand there while they're lighting, because it's kind of exhausting to stand there and do it. And then when the things all lit, the stand ins go away and the actors come back and do the scene. So but he doesn't use any stand ins, so either a crew member just stands in for an actor or the actor. They say, Tony, we need you to stand, and you're just you know, so we can light so things. There's no video village, which is the place where all the producers watch the because he waste time.

What often happens in a set is the actors. There's a lot of time, you know, you rehearse a scene, and then while they're getting the cameras set up, they're lighting, and they have what are called stand ins, which are actors who come in and walk your part, like all of a stand The three of us would have a stand in to stand there while they're lighting, because it's kind of exhausting to stand there and do it. And then when the things all lit, the stand ins go away and the actors come back and do the scene. So but he doesn't use any stand ins, so either a crew member just stands in for an actor or the actor. They say, Tony, we need you to stand, and you're just you know, so we can light so things. There's no video village, which is the place where all the producers watch the because he waste time.

He feels it's a waste of time.

He feels it's a waste of time.

Is he just watching? He's watching.

Is he just watching? He's watching.

There's no video village, which is the place for listeners. This is the place where like they have video monitors, where all the producers and everybody gathers around next to the set to watch. He doesn't allow any of that, so no one sees what's happening except for him. He stands by the camera the entire day, from the first minute. He's right next to the camera. He has a little tiny cassio monitor with a antenna he's probably had for twenty five years, and he has round his necks and you sort of check the shot on a screen. But he just stands by this which is what directors used to do all the time before fancy video monitors. And he's just there on set and his script tub advisor who's next door, has a little monitor you know that he watches.

There's no video village, which is the place for listeners. This is the place where like they have video monitors, where all the producers and everybody gathers around next to the set to watch. He doesn't allow any of that, so no one sees what's happening except for him. He stands by the camera the entire day, from the first minute. He's right next to the camera. He has a little tiny cassio monitor with a antenna he's probably had for twenty five years, and he has round his necks and you sort of check the shot on a screen. But he just stands by this which is what directors used to do all the time before fancy video monitors. And he's just there on set and his script tub advisor who's next door, has a little monitor you know that he watches.

Other than that.

Other than that.

And then the other thing is there's no last looks, which to again to lay people, what that means is that typically before every time the camera rolls, they say okay, last looks, and then the makeup and hair people come in and touch up the actors before every shot, which takes a few minutes every single time, so over a day you used to lose hours, you know, of people fussing with your hair and your makeup for no reason, and he doesn't allow any of it. So there's no last looks. So if there's a problem and he sees it, or the dpcs that, or an actor needs something, then the makeup person is standing drastic him in and fix it and address it if someone smell.

And then the other thing is there's no last looks, which to again to lay people, what that means is that typically before every time the camera rolls, they say okay, last looks, and then the makeup and hair people come in and touch up the actors before every shot, which takes a few minutes every single time, so over a day you used to lose hours, you know, of people fussing with your hair and your makeup for no reason, and he doesn't allow any of it. So there's no last looks. So if there's a problem and he sees it, or the dpcs that, or an actor needs something, then the makeup person is standing drastic him in and fix it and address it if someone smell.

So it was like super efficient.

So it was like super efficient.

So as a result, everyone is hyper focused the entire time, and you move incredibly quickly and everyone's like right there because the actors have to be very nearby because you never know someone's gonna go, oh, you know Katie, Chris wants you on set to for to stand in.

So as a result, everyone is hyper focused the entire time, and you move incredibly quickly and everyone's like right there because the actors have to be very nearby because you never know someone's gonna go, oh, you know Katie, Chris wants you on set to for to stand in.

And so you're like, oh, you run.

And so you're like, oh, you run.

Like this and all the actress hang out in an adjacent room because there's nobody's on cell phones, so everyone talks to each other and you so you meet all these super cool people and it was very inspiring.

Like this and all the actress hang out in an adjacent room because there's nobody's on cell phones, so everyone talks to each other and you so you meet all these super cool people and it was very inspiring.

That is so exciting.

That is so exciting.

He's like brilliant too, because so there was that.

He's like brilliant too, because so there was that.

All that bullshit that we get caught up with as actors because I remember even on Scandal and other shows, right, if they didn't come up to us to give us last looks, we'd be like, can I get last looks?

All that bullshit that we get caught up with as actors because I remember even on Scandal and other shows, right, if they didn't come up to us to give us last looks, we'd be like, can I get last looks?

Like even if you didn't need it, just to be like, I wouldn't feel like I'm important or you know what I mean, like I'm taking care of yea, all that bs that we get caught up that he is just eliminates on his set.

Like even if you didn't need it, just to be like, I wouldn't feel like I'm important or you know what I mean, like I'm taking care of yea, all that bs that we get caught up that he is just eliminates on his set.

I love that so much. And stand ins too. Back in the day when you did indie films, we didn't have any standings. You would just stay there yourself and let.

I love that so much. And stand ins too. Back in the day when you did indie films, we didn't have any standings. You would just stay there yourself and let.

Them union thing like I tried when I did Ezra, my my film that that I did, I tried to eliminate standings and I got in con trouble with the union. They can't do that really taking a lot of jobs away, So I can't Universal. Universal must have paid, you know, they must have. I can only think they hired stand ins and just never used them because you know this that you have, you have.

Them union thing like I tried when I did Ezra, my my film that that I did, I tried to eliminate standings and I got in con trouble with the union. They can't do that really taking a lot of jobs away, So I can't Universal. Universal must have paid, you know, they must have. I can only think they hired stand ins and just never used them because you know this that you have, you have.

To hire stand ins. Wow.

To hire stand ins. Wow.

Yeah, at least that I was in the New York So maybe it's not the l A Union, but the New York SAG in New York was like no that's not an option. Wow.

Yeah, at least that I was in the New York So maybe it's not the l A Union, but the New York SAG in New York was like no that's not an option. Wow.

Great, I'm super excited about Ezra.

Great, I'm super excited about Ezra.

So yeah, as you mentioned, so it's Bobby Conna Valley and Robert de Niro and Rose Byrne and will Be Goldberg and viewa Farmiga and ring Will and this brilliant young actor, a teenage actor named William Fitzgerald who is autistic because he's the title character. He plays an autistic eleven year old boy. Yeah, it's a movie that was written by my oldest and dearest friend, Tony Spiritoctus, who you guys might have met at some point along the Scandle years. But Tony has an autistic son and wanted to write a movie about his experience when his son, Dimitri, was like eleven years old and they went through a really tough time and then Tony's marriage broke up, and so this is the story of Bobby plays a stand up comic who's going through a divorce, and their eleven year old son who's super brilliant but really having problems in school and keeps getting thrown out of school and finally gets thrown out of his final school and the experts.

So yeah, as you mentioned, so it's Bobby Conna Valley and Robert de Niro and Rose Byrne and will Be Goldberg and viewa Farmiga and ring Will and this brilliant young actor, a teenage actor named William Fitzgerald who is autistic because he's the title character. He plays an autistic eleven year old boy. Yeah, it's a movie that was written by my oldest and dearest friend, Tony Spiritoctus, who you guys might have met at some point along the Scandle years. But Tony has an autistic son and wanted to write a movie about his experience when his son, Dimitri, was like eleven years old and they went through a really tough time and then Tony's marriage broke up, and so this is the story of Bobby plays a stand up comic who's going through a divorce, and their eleven year old son who's super brilliant but really having problems in school and keeps getting thrown out of school and finally gets thrown out of his final school and the experts.

Are saying he's a danger to himself.

Are saying he's a danger to himself.

He needs to be heavily medicated and put in a special school, and the mother Rose his characters, just trying to hold it all together. And Bobby, who's probably on the spectrum himself, who's now living in his dad's house, who de Niro plays, who's also this very eccentric cut Bobby becomes convinced that the system is trying to destroy his son and he's not having it, and he says, no fucking way, and he takes his kid in the middle of the night and without telling anyone, takes him on, puts him in the car, and takes him on a road trip across the country, and meanwhile finds out he's booked, even booked on Jimmy Kimmel, who he's like, We're going to La to be on Kimmel, and no one knows where he is.

He needs to be heavily medicated and put in a special school, and the mother Rose his characters, just trying to hold it all together. And Bobby, who's probably on the spectrum himself, who's now living in his dad's house, who de Niro plays, who's also this very eccentric cut Bobby becomes convinced that the system is trying to destroy his son and he's not having it, and he says, no fucking way, and he takes his kid in the middle of the night and without telling anyone, takes him on, puts him in the car, and takes him on a road trip across the country, and meanwhile finds out he's booked, even booked on Jimmy Kimmel, who he's like, We're going to La to be on Kimmel, and no one knows where he is.

So the police get involved, and there's like an amberle.

So the police get involved, and there's like an amberle.

It gets very crazy, and so de Niro and Rose go across country together to try and find them before the police can get them. And it's really a love story between this father and his boy and this kid who William is just brilliant, who never acted before, and we found this really young autistic kid who was just amazing.

It gets very crazy, and so de Niro and Rose go across country together to try and find them before the police can get them. And it's really a love story between this father and his boy and this kid who William is just brilliant, who never acted before, and we found this really young autistic kid who was just amazing.

And do you have like an open call? Did you guys have an open call?

And do you have like an open call? Did you guys have an open call?

Yeah, we did like a nationwide search for you in Canada. And yeah, Kerry Barton and Paul shna Or Casting Jork just did this whole search and with through all these autism communities that you know, organizations to try and find a kid, and we saw a hundred kids and and William at the very last minute, you know, sending a tape piece from Montclair, New Jersey, and he was just I was like, I think weeks before we started to have a super excited.

Yeah, we did like a nationwide search for you in Canada. And yeah, Kerry Barton and Paul shna Or Casting Jork just did this whole search and with through all these autism communities that you know, organizations to try and find a kid, and we saw a hundred kids and and William at the very last minute, you know, sending a tape piece from Montclair, New Jersey, and he was just I was like, I think weeks before we started to have a super excited.

My god, Yeah, where does it come out?

My god, Yeah, where does it come out?

And how can it comes out to movie theaters?

And how can it comes out to movie theaters?

Movie theaters May thirty first. Wow, So you'll be hearing more from me about that.

Movie theaters May thirty first. Wow, So you'll be hearing more from me about that.

Oh, I can't wait to see this.

Oh, I can't wait to see this.

I'll let you guys do a scream. We'll start.

I'll let you guys do a scream. We'll start.

Yes, well not only that, not only Ezra Tony is joining the Law and Order universe. Yes, so freaking amazing.

Yes, well not only that, not only Ezra Tony is joining the Law and Order universe. Yes, so freaking amazing.

How does that feel? Did you start shooting?

How does that feel? Did you start shooting?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Is fun? It's a scandal. I doubt it.

Is fun? It's a scandal. I doubt it.

No, no, no, it's nice. You know what it has? It does have.

No, no, no, it's nice. You know what it has? It does have.

So I'm replacing this in the same waters. Sam Waterston sort of iconic character in the New District Attorney. So and uh it's fun, I mean, which I just didn't like two days, you know, so far. But Hugh Dancy, who I love, is whereas you know, sort of the the DA that I work with most closely. And uh, and what it's cool. The thing that's similar is there's a very familial environment to the Law and Order world, you know, which is everyone's super nice, super happy to be there. It's very family oriented and chill and so's it is like Scandal in that way.

So I'm replacing this in the same waters. Sam Waterston sort of iconic character in the New District Attorney. So and uh it's fun, I mean, which I just didn't like two days, you know, so far. But Hugh Dancy, who I love, is whereas you know, sort of the the DA that I work with most closely. And uh, and what it's cool. The thing that's similar is there's a very familial environment to the Law and Order world, you know, which is everyone's super nice, super happy to be there. It's very family oriented and chill and so's it is like Scandal in that way.

Did you ever did you ever do Law and Order like when you first started acting Tony like as a guest star.

Did you ever did you ever do Law and Order like when you first started acting Tony like as a guest star.

Now I feel like to any of us episode you did.

Now I feel like to any of us episode you did.

Yeah, I directed an episode like and I think, god, it was a long time, like almost twenty years in two thousand and six.

Yeah, I directed an episode like and I think, god, it was a long time, like almost twenty years in two thousand and six.

Of the original Law Sam.

Of the original Law Sam.

Yeah, the original of Sam and many Parice was in it, and Dennis Farino was one of the cops. Remember Dennis, Yeah, such a great actor. And and Jesse Bradford was that his name was the other cop. Yeah and yeah, all these amazing actors were the guest stars in it. And uh, and then I did a four episode arc of Criminal intent, played Vincedinofrio's crack Addicted Brother.

Yeah, the original of Sam and many Parice was in it, and Dennis Farino was one of the cops. Remember Dennis, Yeah, such a great actor. And and Jesse Bradford was that his name was the other cop. Yeah and yeah, all these amazing actors were the guest stars in it. And uh, and then I did a four episode arc of Criminal intent, played Vincedinofrio's crack Addicted Brother.

Criminals. I played on Law and Order on all of it. Oh my god, a drug dealer. I was a murder I've worn all the different colors of the of the prison suits. Orange. I think it was just art.

Criminals. I played on Law and Order on all of it. Oh my god, a drug dealer. I was a murder I've worn all the different colors of the of the prison suits. Orange. I think it was just art.

Oh my god, were you Were you a criminal in the organized crime? Uh?

Oh my god, were you Were you a criminal in the organized crime? Uh?

No, I was a detective, which is super very interesting, very different. But I did the Law and Order when Christopher k Nooth Big from Sex and the City Katie was still in the show.

No, I was a detective, which is super very interesting, very different. But I did the Law and Order when Christopher k Nooth Big from Sex and the City Katie was still in the show.

Yeah yeah, Chris was the original you know detective.

Yeah yeah, Chris was the original you know detective.

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ever done anything on it? Really, I think that they're saving me for you know, like they're saving me or like something. Hey guys, I.

Ever done anything on it? Really, I think that they're saving me for you know, like they're saving me or like something. Hey guys, I.

Think after I think I need to whisper into a couple.

Think after I think I need to whisper into a couple.

Of that can. It's available in a little bit. I am available. I would love to do it. I would love to work in New York. I love working in New York. I've never done that show. I auditioned a million times when I was first starting out, didn't book it, and then I got offered a thing and I turned it down. I know, I know.

Of that can. It's available in a little bit. I am available. I would love to do it. I would love to work in New York. I love working in New York. I've never done that show. I auditioned a million times when I was first starting out, didn't book it, and then I got offered a thing and I turned it down. I know, I know.

Poo poo poo, poo hoo.

Poo poo poo, poo hoo.

Boo.

Boo.

Yes, but it was right after Scandal had ended and I had a brand new baby. It's a lot of crying because you're like, oh my god, I like can't like I just don't have it in me.

Yes, but it was right after Scandal had ended and I had a brand new baby. It's a lot of crying because you're like, oh my god, I like can't like I just don't have it in me.

I ki'd just done that last episode fifteen days, yes from Scandal, where you were like handcuffed right in like a seller, and I had just I.

I ki'd just done that last episode fifteen days, yes from Scandal, where you were like handcuffed right in like a seller, and I had just I.

Was and I was like, I just need a comedy or like something that's sunny. I just don't want to do it right now. Sorry, Law and Order, come back again, knock on my door, call my agent. But wait, my friend read Scott who is he's one oar with you.

Was and I was like, I just need a comedy or like something that's sunny. I just don't want to do it right now. Sorry, Law and Order, come back again, knock on my door, call my agent. But wait, my friend read Scott who is he's one oar with you.

We're so good.

We're so good.

We are we see each other in the mornings every day because we go to the same school. And I was like, you are the luckiest dog, like you get to work with Tony Gold when he was like, he is the nicest because I can't imagine what it would feel like to walk on to a set like a lawn order that's been around for a like and how do people feel? But like you said, he said, no, everyone is so nice, so welcoming, so professional. Tony fit in like everybody else, like it wasn't you.

We are we see each other in the mornings every day because we go to the same school. And I was like, you are the luckiest dog, like you get to work with Tony Gold when he was like, he is the nicest because I can't imagine what it would feel like to walk on to a set like a lawn order that's been around for a like and how do people feel? But like you said, he said, no, everyone is so nice, so welcoming, so professional. Tony fit in like everybody else, like it wasn't you.

Know that first scene actually was with with Reed and uh and macad was the other nice was actually mccond Brooks was on He was on Supergirl, which was Anna's first job as a writer, my daughter, so they I was like, mccon actually we met because my daughter Anna was on super writing for Supergirl, and he was like, oh my god, that's right. So they were super sweet and wow, I love Read's work, he said so. And it's unusual for the attorneys on Law and Order or not usually with the cops, but my first, my introductory scene is with them, which was kind of fun.

Know that first scene actually was with with Reed and uh and macad was the other nice was actually mccond Brooks was on He was on Supergirl, which was Anna's first job as a writer, my daughter, so they I was like, mccon actually we met because my daughter Anna was on super writing for Supergirl, and he was like, oh my god, that's right. So they were super sweet and wow, I love Read's work, he said so. And it's unusual for the attorneys on Law and Order or not usually with the cops, but my first, my introductory scene is with them, which was kind of fun.

So you are the greatest. Thank you for coming back on Unpacking the Toolbox. I love you guys, president too until Melly becomes our president.

So you are the greatest. Thank you for coming back on Unpacking the Toolbox. I love you guys, president too until Melly becomes our president.

And it's the only remember about living in New York because I never get to see you guys, I know, I know.

And it's the only remember about living in New York because I never get to see you guys, I know, I know.

Yeah, Well, I need to do a Broadway trip real bad. I had one booked and then we had to cancel it. But I need to do like a week of theater.

Yeah, Well, I need to do a Broadway trip real bad. I had one booked and then we had to cancel it. But I need to do like a week of theater.

There's some good stuff going, Oh my god.

There's some good stuff going, Oh my god.

And I have so many friends and things that I've just been bailing and like not going and I like really need to go see yeah.

And I have so many friends and things that I've just been bailing and like not going and I like really need to go see yeah.

Test just did a really great show.

Test just did a really great show.

Daughters tested this some beautiful production of this Polish play at Damn the Brooklyn Academy of Music. It was so good they just closed.

Daughters tested this some beautiful production of this Polish play at Damn the Brooklyn Academy of Music. It was so good they just closed.

Acting.

Acting.

She was great.

She was great.

Yeah, and then they were like, it was this cool, really interesting director who sort of was like Evil Van Hover, you know, the sort of experimental European. He's a Ukrainian guy, and it was really cool that he's actress from the Moscow Art Theater.

Yeah, and then they were like, it was this cool, really interesting director who sort of was like Evil Van Hover, you know, the sort of experimental European. He's a Ukrainian guy, and it was really cool that he's actress from the Moscow Art Theater.

We're in it. It's a very international cast. It was very cool.

We're in it. It's a very international cast. It was very cool.

That's so cool.

That's so cool.

She's mental highly regarded theater. That's so cool. It was awesome for her.

She's mental highly regarded theater. That's so cool. It was awesome for her.

How's Jane. How's Jane?

How's Jane. How's Jane?

Jane's good, great, Yes, she's kind of taking a break. And she worked up until the strike and then and then just you know, chilling.

Jane's good, great, Yes, she's kind of taking a break. And she worked up until the strike and then and then just you know, chilling.

It's nice. She's doing great, though.

It's nice. She's doing great, though.

I'll tell you, Please tell her.

I'll tell you, Please tell her.

I tell your daughters. We say hi. We love you so much.

I tell your daughters. We say hi. We love you so much.

Babies and Adam and Mikey and yeah.

Babies and Adam and Mikey and yeah.

Yeah, life is happening. What the hell? You will be my first call when I come to New York, which hopefully is very soon. We will be back with more after the break. We love you, Tony, Thank you so much. For coming back on Unpacking the Tube. Tony, you're the greatest. Okay, gee, are you ready to do this?

Yeah, life is happening. What the hell? You will be my first call when I come to New York, which hopefully is very soon. We will be back with more after the break. We love you, Tony, Thank you so much. For coming back on Unpacking the Tube. Tony, you're the greatest. Okay, gee, are you ready to do this?

Let's do it. I'm ready.

Let's do it. I'm ready.

Let's break down this episode. People are getting down in scandaland we've got Andrew and Melly like on the Rise. We obviously have Fits and Olivia on the Rise. We have Harrison and Odd Non Salif going at it. We've got Huck and Quinn like this season. Essentially, it's just like everyone's having sex. Abby and David Rosen are having sex. Like it's just a lot. Like I keep watching these episodes and being like, oh my god, yeah, we're in another sex scene. We're in another sex scene. This is a ten PM show, y'all. Okay, okay, okay. Today we're talking about episode three twelve, which was called We Do Not Touch the First Ladies. It aired on I love that title, and I loved he came out in the episode. More on that later. It aired on March sixth in twenty fourteen.

Let's break down this episode. People are getting down in scandaland we've got Andrew and Melly like on the Rise. We obviously have Fits and Olivia on the Rise. We have Harrison and Odd Non Salif going at it. We've got Huck and Quinn like this season. Essentially, it's just like everyone's having sex. Abby and David Rosen are having sex. Like it's just a lot. Like I keep watching these episodes and being like, oh my god, yeah, we're in another sex scene. We're in another sex scene. This is a ten PM show, y'all. Okay, okay, okay. Today we're talking about episode three twelve, which was called We Do Not Touch the First Ladies. It aired on I love that title, and I loved he came out in the episode. More on that later. It aired on March sixth in twenty fourteen.

And it was written by Heather Mitchell and directed by the Oliver Bolkelberg, who was also our DP on the show Yes We Love Him.

And it was written by Heather Mitchell and directed by the Oliver Bolkelberg, who was also our DP on the show Yes We Love Him.

Love, and it was guest starring Greg Henry as Hollis Doyle, John Tenny is Governor Andrew Nichols, Candy Alexander as Maya Lewis, Nazanine Bodiati as Adnan.

Love, and it was guest starring Greg Henry as Hollis Doyle, John Tenny is Governor Andrew Nichols, Candy Alexander as Maya Lewis, Nazanine Bodiati as Adnan.

Salif, Brian Lesher is Tom Paul Addlstein as Leo Bergen, and Laura Laurence Demil as Carlos Steele and Jennifer Peo as Vanessa Chandler.

Salif, Brian Lesher is Tom Paul Addlstein as Leo Bergen, and Laura Laurence Demil as Carlos Steele and Jennifer Peo as Vanessa Chandler.

And let me jog my memory because I watched a couple episodes back to back that we're so good, and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, hold up, what happens in this one?

And let me jog my memory because I watched a couple episodes back to back that we're so good, and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, hold up, what happens in this one?

Yes? Me too.

Yes? Me too.

The Grands campaign is threatened when a reporter comes forward with a story about drug use in the Governor's mansion before Fitz ran for president. Andrew takes the blame, but flashbacks reveal that Melly to end her life after being assaulted by Jerry Grant.

The Grands campaign is threatened when a reporter comes forward with a story about drug use in the Governor's mansion before Fitz ran for president. Andrew takes the blame, but flashbacks reveal that Melly to end her life after being assaulted by Jerry Grant.

Meanwhile, Quinn wants to be in on B six thirteen's plans but gets sidelined until she proves her worth, and Huck seems to try to keep apologize to Olivia until we learn that he feels like the Quinn situation was actually Olivia's fault, and in the end, all is good. Except for odd non Salif and Mama Pope are working together.

Meanwhile, Quinn wants to be in on B six thirteen's plans but gets sidelined until she proves her worth, and Huck seems to try to keep apologize to Olivia until we learn that he feels like the Quinn situation was actually Olivia's fault, and in the end, all is good. Except for odd non Salif and Mama Pope are working together.

Okay, so like this episode was fucking great, but we're we're we've got the ticket. The ticket is Fits and Andrew are gonna run together. They've been boys, they've been bros for one hundred years research and they're like, holy shit, we can't have Andrew on the ticket. He's got to get off the ticket because he got delivered like a bunch of oxy or something to the Governor's mansion twenty years ago when they found out that he was working with like a sketchy doctor. And then it's like we learn that he's just taking the fall for Melly. Melly actually got the delivery of those drugs, took them all and tried to kill herself after Jerry SR raped her. Nightmare not great, Germo, What did you think of this episode?

Okay, so like this episode was fucking great, but we're we're we've got the ticket. The ticket is Fits and Andrew are gonna run together. They've been boys, they've been bros for one hundred years research and they're like, holy shit, we can't have Andrew on the ticket. He's got to get off the ticket because he got delivered like a bunch of oxy or something to the Governor's mansion twenty years ago when they found out that he was working with like a sketchy doctor. And then it's like we learn that he's just taking the fall for Melly. Melly actually got the delivery of those drugs, took them all and tried to kill herself after Jerry SR raped her. Nightmare not great, Germo, What did you think of this episode?

Katie? What I thought of this episode? I put into a stream of consciousness?

Katie? What I thought of this episode? I put into a stream of consciousness?

You did not, dinghy?

You did not, dinghy?

I sure? Did you want to hear it?

I sure? Did you want to hear it?

Resident Unpacking the Toolbox Poet?

Resident Unpacking the Toolbox Poet?

Check this out, y'all, Episode three twelve, Stream of Consciousness. This fight, this fight, it's real, It's so real real. Are we in my living room right now? Nope, nope, it's just a show just to show people. But it's so good. She is not a hen or a prize. She's a queen, is what she is. Fits You better get them socks on and get to get your dudes are right outside. You have a country to run. Scanadle cut to Melly Melancholy, Melly, the flashback, the pain, the rage, the guilt, the Bob. It's all there, oozing out of Bellamy through Melly Melancholy Melly. But Fitz can't know, He can never know, except for the Bob. He knows about the Bob. Harrison and Oddnan almost too hot for scandal, Almost Langston and Doyle. It's like the devil looking at her stuff in the mirror. I want energy, secretary pick, says Doyle. Hail Satan. They can't say no. They can't say no, Hail Satan. We're in Oba, people boarding Nichols. The powers that be are apparently trying to expose Andrew's prescription drug use. What evs let he who has not sinned cast the first stone? Ooop? What's that? I hear? Crickets? Yep, but what did you expect in this pile of hoodlums? Okay, this is freaking crazy. Live is at dinner with Dad, acting like she cares to get something out of him, but he knows what's up. Lives all later pops Worth a shot. Meanwhile, Quinn is fine on Homegirl with binoculars from her car. Live sees and gets sin. Come on, Perkins, But Quinn done lost her mind as she told Olivy to get out or she'll shoot her. Say what I can't? I can't, but yo, these flashbacks with melancholy melli are killing me. But that Bob looking fierce. You know what they say is better to look good than to feel good. That's my motto. Oh I digress looks like Andrew cares for he really he really does. Wait could it be the Bob? Nah, he really cares? And the fuck is it with Huck in this coffee bringing business? Hey, Huck, here's a napkin. You got a lot of bit of crazy on your face. Do you know what else is crazy? All this? Pooplius Rosen and Carlos Steel drama, A trunk a man, a love call? Please make it stop or make it go faster and harder? Okay, Abby, I see you here with the save uh Huck with more coffee for live. Does she take that coffee with sugar? Nope? Oh well how about a dollar of truth Ooh yum, just perfect? Thanks Hucks, sorry Live your move, Her, Her, her, Melly and Andrew in front of her, her portrait, the Legend, the class, the Grace, Camelot, JFK, the loss, so much loss, but still standing, still hanging in the House of White Jackie. Oh damn, this show is crazy.

Check this out, y'all, Episode three twelve, Stream of Consciousness. This fight, this fight, it's real, It's so real real. Are we in my living room right now? Nope, nope, it's just a show just to show people. But it's so good. She is not a hen or a prize. She's a queen, is what she is. Fits You better get them socks on and get to get your dudes are right outside. You have a country to run. Scanadle cut to Melly Melancholy, Melly, the flashback, the pain, the rage, the guilt, the Bob. It's all there, oozing out of Bellamy through Melly Melancholy Melly. But Fitz can't know, He can never know, except for the Bob. He knows about the Bob. Harrison and Oddnan almost too hot for scandal, Almost Langston and Doyle. It's like the devil looking at her stuff in the mirror. I want energy, secretary pick, says Doyle. Hail Satan. They can't say no. They can't say no, Hail Satan. We're in Oba, people boarding Nichols. The powers that be are apparently trying to expose Andrew's prescription drug use. What evs let he who has not sinned cast the first stone? Ooop? What's that? I hear? Crickets? Yep, but what did you expect in this pile of hoodlums? Okay, this is freaking crazy. Live is at dinner with Dad, acting like she cares to get something out of him, but he knows what's up. Lives all later pops Worth a shot. Meanwhile, Quinn is fine on Homegirl with binoculars from her car. Live sees and gets sin. Come on, Perkins, But Quinn done lost her mind as she told Olivy to get out or she'll shoot her. Say what I can't? I can't, but yo, these flashbacks with melancholy melli are killing me. But that Bob looking fierce. You know what they say is better to look good than to feel good. That's my motto. Oh I digress looks like Andrew cares for he really he really does. Wait could it be the Bob? Nah, he really cares? And the fuck is it with Huck in this coffee bringing business? Hey, Huck, here's a napkin. You got a lot of bit of crazy on your face. Do you know what else is crazy? All this? Pooplius Rosen and Carlos Steel drama, A trunk a man, a love call? Please make it stop or make it go faster and harder? Okay, Abby, I see you here with the save uh Huck with more coffee for live. Does she take that coffee with sugar? Nope? Oh well how about a dollar of truth Ooh yum, just perfect? Thanks Hucks, sorry Live your move, Her, Her, her, Melly and Andrew in front of her, her portrait, the Legend, the class, the Grace, Camelot, JFK, the loss, so much loss, but still standing, still hanging in the House of White Jackie. Oh damn, this show is crazy.

Guirmo, What the fuck you have to publish these.

Guirmo, What the fuck you have to publish these.

You?

You?

We need to get this motherfucker a book agent, a poet agent. These should be public. I mean, this was so good, Ghirmo. Okay, multiple notes. Favorite scenes of yours.

We need to get this motherfucker a book agent, a poet agent. These should be public. I mean, this was so good, Ghirmo. Okay, multiple notes. Favorite scenes of yours.

Gee, oh my god, there were so many. Well listen. Right at the top was one of my favorite scenes where we see fits in Olivia in a huge fight, and it's one of the first times that I thought, oh shit, these people are like it felt like I was like it was me and my living room with my partner fighting. It felt so real and I love that like they were mad at each other, they.

Gee, oh my god, there were so many. Well listen. Right at the top was one of my favorite scenes where we see fits in Olivia in a huge fight, and it's one of the first times that I thought, oh shit, these people are like it felt like I was like it was me and my living room with my partner fighting. It felt so real and I love that like they were mad at each other, they.

Were so mad, they were so mad and he and I was like, he says, shut up and let me talk, which I actually like gasped out loud. I was like, holy shit, like a real couple. Yes, like a real couple. And then she says, like she did this thing. Olivia says, I have a desire to wake up and face myself in the mirror. My whole life is not about.

Were so mad, they were so mad and he and I was like, he says, shut up and let me talk, which I actually like gasped out loud. I was like, holy shit, like a real couple. Yes, like a real couple. And then she says, like she did this thing. Olivia says, I have a desire to wake up and face myself in the mirror. My whole life is not about.

You, yes, and she's all, I'm not a hen. I am not a prize, which I love.

You, yes, and she's all, I'm not a hen. I am not a prize, which I love.

I'm not a hen in your hen house. It was really it was great because you can see how it's like people fighting and sleeping together. It's like same sides of I mean, different sides of the same coin or whatever, and like you could see how passionate they get and how like crazy yeah yeah.

I'm not a hen in your hen house. It was really it was great because you can see how it's like people fighting and sleeping together. It's like same sides of I mean, different sides of the same coin or whatever, and like you could see how passionate they get and how like crazy yeah yeah.

And then but then we cut to you know, his whole security detail right outside her door, listening to the fight with Jake, and Jake is there and they're talking about Jake, you know what I mean. So there's that uncomfortable situation. Once they you know, exit the apartment and Jake's all dumb right here.

And then but then we cut to you know, his whole security detail right outside her door, listening to the fight with Jake, and Jake is there and they're talking about Jake, you know what I mean. So there's that uncomfortable situation. Once they you know, exit the apartment and Jake's all dumb right here.

Crazy, we cut back to this flashback fourteen years ago, Like we're seeing Mellie and Andrew. They're flirting a lot, They're doing all this kind of thing. Oh, we also see this is where we learn like This is the episode where we see Harrison and Odd non sleeve like getting out of bed. Is Nazanine BONIOTTI kidding with how pretty she is?

Crazy, we cut back to this flashback fourteen years ago, Like we're seeing Mellie and Andrew. They're flirting a lot, They're doing all this kind of thing. Oh, we also see this is where we learn like This is the episode where we see Harrison and Odd non sleeve like getting out of bed. Is Nazanine BONIOTTI kidding with how pretty she is?

Is she freaking gorgeous or what?

Is she freaking gorgeous or what?

Dude?

Dude?

My god, she's so hot. Listen, I'm wild gay as the day is long, but that lady is gorgeous.

My god, she's so hot. Listen, I'm wild gay as the day is long, but that lady is gorgeous.

Oh my goodness.

Oh my goodness.

And Katie, the chemistry between her and Columbus short, I don't know what it is, but listen, those two connected on a level that was beyond just acting like it was. It was. That chemistry was real good. Yeah, it was almost as good as Quinn. Almost almost.

And Katie, the chemistry between her and Columbus short, I don't know what it is, but listen, those two connected on a level that was beyond just acting like it was. It was. That chemistry was real good. Yeah, it was almost as good as Quinn. Almost almost.

We'll give them a B plus.

We'll give them a B plus.

Yes, correct.

Yes, correct.

Oh you kept kept giving live coffee in this episode. You were so pathetic.

Oh you kept kept giving live coffee in this episode. You were so pathetic.

I know, he was so pathetic, Like what the fuck, Huck? What is going on? He was going through it.

I know, he was so pathetic, Like what the fuck, Huck? What is going on? He was going through it.

I think, why and explain why you keep doing this which I thought you killed yet. Were you happy with your ending scene or were you like wah wah.

I think, why and explain why you keep doing this which I thought you killed yet. Were you happy with your ending scene or were you like wah wah.

Listen, I was a little bit on want whah. You know that that was actually that was one of the scenes that I was like, freak. I wish I would have done it again because I would have done as I was watching, and I was like, I would have done something different, but I was still happy with it.

Listen, I was a little bit on want whah. You know that that was actually that was one of the scenes that I was like, freak. I wish I would have done it again because I would have done as I was watching, and I was like, I would have done something different, but I was still happy with it.

Honey, I got tons of those. I got tens of hundreds of those.

Honey, I got tons of those. I got tens of hundreds of those.

So he keeps bringing Olivia a cup of coffee because.

So he keeps bringing Olivia a cup of coffee because.

He looks like a shitty cup of coffee.

He looks like a shitty cup of coffee.

It looks like a shitty cup of coffee. I want, what does she drink? I feel like Alicia doesn't doesn't drink coffee. I feel like she drinks tea?

It looks like a shitty cup of coffee. I want, what does she drink? I feel like Alicia doesn't doesn't drink coffee. I feel like she drinks tea?

Right, does she doesn't?

Right, does she doesn't?

Feel Yeah, I feel like she's a tea. Maybe that's why she kept giving him that look like homeboy, why you keep bringing me this latte from freaking the corner coffee shot? I'm going to drink this. Yeah, I wish there was a shot of all the cups of coffee that he gave her, like lined up like somewhere in her in her office.

Feel Yeah, I feel like she's a tea. Maybe that's why she kept giving him that look like homeboy, why you keep bringing me this latte from freaking the corner coffee shot? I'm going to drink this. Yeah, I wish there was a shot of all the cups of coffee that he gave her, like lined up like somewhere in her in her office.

But I think he's doing that.

But I think he's doing that.

It's it's like a it's like a way for him to apologize and say or I think he explains and he says that this is what you do when you want to say sorry to someone right, or to someone that you love, or something like that, because doesn't he want to apologize for what he did to Coin.

It's it's like a it's like a way for him to apologize and say or I think he explains and he says that this is what you do when you want to say sorry to someone right, or to someone that you love, or something like that, because doesn't he want to apologize for what he did to Coin.

He's bringing your coffee to say I'm really sorry about Quinn. Yes, and she says, I'm mad at you. You went too far with Quinn. And he says, no, you went too far. You went too far. You gave her to me, you put her under my wing, you made me do all this shit and like her, Yes, essentially losing her mind and leaving Opa and being part of the six thirteen is all on.

He's bringing your coffee to say I'm really sorry about Quinn. Yes, and she says, I'm mad at you. You went too far with Quinn. And he says, no, you went too far. You went too far. You gave her to me, you put her under my wing, you made me do all this shit and like her, Yes, essentially losing her mind and leaving Opa and being part of the six thirteen is all on.

You, exactly. Yeah. And and also, just to explain to the listeners, before this is when we see Huck and and and Quinn and he has her all taped up, and he and with the pliers and he's you know, he pulls her mole a out and and he licks her face. All of that happens before this, and that's why Olivia is like, you went too far. You did No, you did no, you did?

You, exactly. Yeah. And and also, just to explain to the listeners, before this is when we see Huck and and and Quinn and he has her all taped up, and he and with the pliers and he's you know, he pulls her mole a out and and he licks her face. All of that happens before this, and that's why Olivia is like, you went too far. You did No, you did no, you did?

You did?

You did?

You did.

You did.

My favorite part is I Love and Scandal when the title comes up in the episode in some creative way, and so it says we do not this is called we do not touch the First Ladies or whatever. Yes, And there's an amazing scene where Melly is standing in the room in the White House where there's all the portraits of the first Ladies before her, and they're looking at Jackie. Oh, and it's so like sixties and it looks so cool and things are painted so differently, and she's looking at all of them. And Andrew sexy sexy John Tenny comes in and they're flirting mcflirterson's and then yes, you know, he goes to like touch the painting or something, and she's like, ah, like, we don't touch the first ladies. But you realize they're really talking about, like we don't touch her body, not like things.

My favorite part is I Love and Scandal when the title comes up in the episode in some creative way, and so it says we do not this is called we do not touch the First Ladies or whatever. Yes, And there's an amazing scene where Melly is standing in the room in the White House where there's all the portraits of the first Ladies before her, and they're looking at Jackie. Oh, and it's so like sixties and it looks so cool and things are painted so differently, and she's looking at all of them. And Andrew sexy sexy John Tenny comes in and they're flirting mcflirterson's and then yes, you know, he goes to like touch the painting or something, and she's like, ah, like, we don't touch the first ladies. But you realize they're really talking about, like we don't touch her body, not like things.

Yes, yes, yes, but also I love when Mellie leaves the scene and then Andrew goes and like like touches the painting.

Yes, yes, yes, but also I love when Mellie leaves the scene and then Andrew goes and like like touches the painting.

Have you ever done that before?

Have you ever done that before?

Oh, if somebody tells me not to do something and they're like, don't touch that, my only thought after somebody tells me not to do something is I have to do this. I know I have to do it.

Oh, if somebody tells me not to do something and they're like, don't touch that, my only thought after somebody tells me not to do something is I have to do this. I know I have to do it.

I feel like when I was little, I did this, which is not okay, but I feel like I've definitely in like art museums before and like have done a sort of Andrew moment where I like tapped a corner of like some art installation that you weren't allowed touch. Oh one hundred percent. I always have thoughts of if I'm at Niagara Falls jumping off, or if I'm in front of a huge famous painting like the Mona Lisa, or We've been to DC and we looked at the Portrait Gallery and I've seen all these first Lady paintings and just like running at them with an axe, like those are the two.

I feel like when I was little, I did this, which is not okay, but I feel like I've definitely in like art museums before and like have done a sort of Andrew moment where I like tapped a corner of like some art installation that you weren't allowed touch. Oh one hundred percent. I always have thoughts of if I'm at Niagara Falls jumping off, or if I'm in front of a huge famous painting like the Mona Lisa, or We've been to DC and we looked at the Portrait Gallery and I've seen all these first Lady paintings and just like running at them with an axe, like those are the two.

You are insane. You are insane. But listen, I've had those thoughts too. Sometimes. Do you ever feel like people are gonna be like these two motherfuckers are crazy?

You are insane. You are insane. But listen, I've had those thoughts too. Sometimes. Do you ever feel like people are gonna be like these two motherfuckers are crazy?

Oh yeah, I think they already think that we're okay.

Oh yeah, I think they already think that we're okay.

I think they think that already they know that I'll be waiting to cross the street and a huge truck. I'll see a huge truck on its way across in front of me, and I'm like, what if I jumped in front of the truck?

I think they think that already they know that I'll be waiting to cross the street and a huge truck. I'll see a huge truck on its way across in front of me, and I'm like, what if I jumped in front of the truck?

Oh hundred percent.

Oh hundred percent.

And it's not like I want to kill myself. I'm just like, what if I Just you.

And it's not like I want to kill myself. I'm just like, what if I Just you.

Just like play it out in your brain like it's just there's I'm an intersection right by my house that's like pretty intense, and I'm always like, what if I, like miss judge like I made this left and I get completely like clipped by an eighteen wheeler or whatever. Like, you know, I think it's very normal. I think it's very and I think everybody thinks these things. They just don't talk about it, and we do because we're nuts.

Just like play it out in your brain like it's just there's I'm an intersection right by my house that's like pretty intense, and I'm always like, what if I, like miss judge like I made this left and I get completely like clipped by an eighteen wheeler or whatever. Like, you know, I think it's very normal. I think it's very and I think everybody thinks these things. They just don't talk about it, and we do because we're nuts.

Exactly exactly. Another scene, Katie that I loved was the scene Hollis Doyle is in this episode and there's a scene where he goes to meet with Leo Bergen and Sally Langston and he's like, they're gonna work together, right, and he's like, I want secretary of What is it that he wants? Oh? Well, energy?

Exactly exactly. Another scene, Katie that I loved was the scene Hollis Doyle is in this episode and there's a scene where he goes to meet with Leo Bergen and Sally Langston and he's like, they're gonna work together, right, and he's like, I want secretary of What is it that he wants? Oh? Well, energy?

He wants secretary of energy because Hollis Doyle is an oil tycoon. Tycoon?

He wants secretary of energy because Hollis Doyle is an oil tycoon. Tycoon?

Is that yeah, I think that's the word. It sure is. But I love the dynamics between those three. It's so funny and and just the lines. I think. Hollis Doyle at one point says, listen, all our britches are moist, so let's just get to the point. He's so freaking from what a pig.

Is that yeah, I think that's the word. It sure is. But I love the dynamics between those three. It's so funny and and just the lines. I think. Hollis Doyle at one point says, listen, all our britches are moist, so let's just get to the point. He's so freaking from what a pig.

In this episode, he's doing such a good job because he's playing both camps. He's essentially going over to the fits, you know, ticket and being like, you give me, you know, Secretary of Energy, and I'm going to write you a check like no one's ever seen before. And then they invite him to the big fancy dinner and then he but before that he was in Sally Langston's camp with Leo Bergen saying like, I'm gonna write you all a big fat check as long as you give me secretary. But he's playing a dirty, dirty, dirty politician. We also learned in this episode that Tom is B six thirteen because he I mean, he hands Jake. It's so crazy, but he comes and now that Jake has had a command, he comes and he hands Jake of like the footage from the day of what was shot and recorded in the Oval office, which fits in Olivia have absolutely no idea that they're under surveillance like that, and Tom is just like, oh yeah, I'll be delivering these nightly. It's like, oh my.

In this episode, he's doing such a good job because he's playing both camps. He's essentially going over to the fits, you know, ticket and being like, you give me, you know, Secretary of Energy, and I'm going to write you a check like no one's ever seen before. And then they invite him to the big fancy dinner and then he but before that he was in Sally Langston's camp with Leo Bergen saying like, I'm gonna write you all a big fat check as long as you give me secretary. But he's playing a dirty, dirty, dirty politician. We also learned in this episode that Tom is B six thirteen because he I mean, he hands Jake. It's so crazy, but he comes and now that Jake has had a command, he comes and he hands Jake of like the footage from the day of what was shot and recorded in the Oval office, which fits in Olivia have absolutely no idea that they're under surveillance like that, and Tom is just like, oh yeah, I'll be delivering these nightly. It's like, oh my.

God, yes, yes. And there's a previous scene like like a sort of montage with Rowan explaining to Jake that he's gonna that someone in the White House is part of B six thirteen and they're going to reveal themselves. It's really exciting and then you're like, who the hell is it? And then it's freaking Tom.

God, yes, yes. And there's a previous scene like like a sort of montage with Rowan explaining to Jake that he's gonna that someone in the White House is part of B six thirteen and they're going to reveal themselves. It's really exciting and then you're like, who the hell is it? And then it's freaking Tom.

Yeah, it's very and then Tom gives Jake I love this spin. At the end of the episode, Tom gives Jake the tape and Jake plays it and fits. He hears Fitz say to Olivia do you have feelings for Jake? And we're like waiting on baited breast. I don't know if she's gonna say no. I don't know if she's going to say yes, and she says I don't know.

Yeah, it's very and then Tom gives Jake I love this spin. At the end of the episode, Tom gives Jake the tape and Jake plays it and fits. He hears Fitz say to Olivia do you have feelings for Jake? And we're like waiting on baited breast. I don't know if she's gonna say no. I don't know if she's going to say yes, and she says I don't know.

Uh, which he loves. Jake loves that. I think he put he you know, he throws his head back, like, oh man, this is this is getting this is deeper or getting more complicated than I thought. I think Jake probably thought that she was going to say no to Fit, but she didn't. She said I don't know. And I think that maybe opened up Jake's heart a little bit too, because he's like, oh wait, like she might has She kind of feels like she might have feelings for me sure, which is super cool.

Uh, which he loves. Jake loves that. I think he put he you know, he throws his head back, like, oh man, this is this is getting this is deeper or getting more complicated than I thought. I think Jake probably thought that she was going to say no to Fit, but she didn't. She said I don't know. And I think that maybe opened up Jake's heart a little bit too, because he's like, oh wait, like she might has She kind of feels like she might have feelings for me sure, which is super cool.

Were there any like fashion moment I didn't write anything.

Were there any like fashion moment I didn't write anything.

I not that really that stuck out? Nozanin all of Nazanine's clothes in this episode were amazing, And she wears like a like like a really sexy Neglige in one scene where she opens up the briefcase full of cash to give to Harrison because she got a beautiful girl.

I not that really that stuck out? Nozanin all of Nazanine's clothes in this episode were amazing, And she wears like a like like a really sexy Neglige in one scene where she opens up the briefcase full of cash to give to Harrison because she got a beautiful girl.

Second, who wears ship like that on this show? Whenever anyone is wearing some sexy satin nightgown thing, I'm like, this is television, guys. Yes, I never wear neglig You.

Second, who wears ship like that on this show? Whenever anyone is wearing some sexy satin nightgown thing, I'm like, this is television, guys. Yes, I never wear neglig You.

I feel like you'll throw on like a huge oversized T shirt.

I feel like you'll throw on like a huge oversized T shirt.

Of what I sleep in when we When this episode airs, she is a matching pajama set with long sleeve, long pant and I wear socks and.

Of what I sleep in when we When this episode airs, she is a matching pajama set with long sleeve, long pant and I wear socks and.

Socks, big old fuzzy socks, big.

Socks, big old fuzzy socks, big.

Old fuzzy and I am so sexy you wouldn't believe. Wait, okay, so we don't really care about clothes. But also, oh, oh, I know one. I thought Quinn did an okay acting job in this episode.

Old fuzzy and I am so sexy you wouldn't believe. Wait, okay, so we don't really care about clothes. But also, oh, oh, I know one. I thought Quinn did an okay acting job in this episode.

I have great in this scene. Oh yes, I think I know what you're going to talk about, Quinn.

I have great in this scene. Oh yes, I think I know what you're going to talk about, Quinn.

I mean Olivia catches Quinn uh spying on command and command on Joe.

I mean Olivia catches Quinn uh spying on command and command on Joe.

Morton and she have a car and.

Morton and she have a car and.

Olivia says, B six thirteen is not where you belong Quinn and I say he licked my face? Did he tell you that he licked my face? And then she says I can help you. I can help you. When I say I'm helping myself, get out or I'll shoot you.

Olivia says, B six thirteen is not where you belong Quinn and I say he licked my face? Did he tell you that he licked my face? And then she says I can help you. I can help you. When I say I'm helping myself, get out or I'll shoot you.

Katie, I thought you're you're you're the intensity in the scene. Like you held it. You kept it real, real quiet and real sort of internal because you could have you could have taken that to a place of like get out of my car, I'm gonna but you kept get real internal of like good. I like it. I loved it, and you're holding that gun.

Katie, I thought you're you're you're the intensity in the scene. Like you held it. You kept it real, real quiet and real sort of internal because you could have you could have taken that to a place of like get out of my car, I'm gonna but you kept get real internal of like good. I like it. I loved it, and you're holding that gun.

And I choose that is because then when she leaves and she's not watching her anymore, then Quinn kind of breaks down. Yes, and I think she's trying to show live how tough she is.

And I choose that is because then when she leaves and she's not watching her anymore, then Quinn kind of breaks down. Yes, and I think she's trying to show live how tough she is.

Yeah, I mean, I'm going back in.

Yeah, I mean, I'm going back in.

My head and I hope that was why I made that choice, But who the fuck knows.

My head and I hope that was why I made that choice, But who the fuck knows.

I listen, I thought it was a great choice. I thought it was really real and really good and powerful.

I listen, I thought it was a great choice. I thought it was really real and really good and powerful.

Okay.

Okay.

And and the fact that Quinn is pulling a gun on Olivia, I know, like that's crazy.

And and the fact that Quinn is pulling a gun on Olivia, I know, like that's crazy.

Twitter was a firestorm of hatreds.

Twitter was a firestorm of hatreds.

Yes, they hated you. I'm sure after this episode, I'm sure we'll be right back.

Yes, they hated you. I'm sure after this episode, I'm sure we'll be right back.

Guys, what else do we have? Who won? Did anyone win? The acting? I mean I think Olivia and Fits at the beginning were unbelievable.

Guys, what else do we have? Who won? Did anyone win? The acting? I mean I think Olivia and Fits at the beginning were unbelievable.

Yeah, they were great.

Yeah, they were great.

Was any horror? Are there any six degrees of g?

Was any horror? Are there any six degrees of g?

There is not.

There is not.

I don't believe it.

I don't believe it.

Yeah, John Tenny, John Tenny was actually in a movie what was like a horror slash thriller. It was a movie called The Stepfather. It's a remake of I mean, they've made The Stepfather a few times, but he was in the two thousand and nine version where uh uh with Penn Badgley and he plays Penn Badly's dad, and it's it's the movie called The Stepfather. It's a really great It's a guy that sort of changes his identity and then will you know, befriend a woman and then court her and fall in you know, fake fall in love, and then marry her, and then he'll murder her and like the whole family and then move on to the next family.

Yeah, John Tenny, John Tenny was actually in a movie what was like a horror slash thriller. It was a movie called The Stepfather. It's a remake of I mean, they've made The Stepfather a few times, but he was in the two thousand and nine version where uh uh with Penn Badgley and he plays Penn Badly's dad, and it's it's the movie called The Stepfather. It's a really great It's a guy that sort of changes his identity and then will you know, befriend a woman and then court her and fall in you know, fake fall in love, and then marry her, and then he'll murder her and like the whole family and then move on to the next family.

Why has he got to be doing that?

Why has he got to be doing that?

Why you gotta be doing that?

Why you gotta be doing that?

Got to be literally murdering her whole family?

Got to be literally murdering her whole family?

Yep. Sometimes it's just the wife, but other other times he tries to murder or murder whoever gets in the way. But Dylan Walsh is also in this. In this version with John Tenny, you see the stepfather, I have seen it. Yeah, it's real.

Yep. Sometimes it's just the wife, but other other times he tries to murder or murder whoever gets in the way. But Dylan Walsh is also in this. In this version with John Tenny, you see the stepfather, I have seen it. Yeah, it's real.

Tenny good in it.

Tenny good in it.

Oh yeah, he's great. He sort of plays a stray guy, you know what I mean, he's not the crazy stepfather, he's the he's the real dad. That's kind of like, who is this guy that.

Oh yeah, he's great. He sort of plays a stray guy, you know what I mean, he's not the crazy stepfather, he's the he's the real dad. That's kind of like, who is this guy that.

Tenny always plays super stable dudes?

Tenny always plays super stable dudes?

Yes, yes, yes, he's real stable.

Yes, yes, yes, he's real stable.

That guy he is, but he's good. Fun facts. Olivia threatens to revoke Vanessa Chandler's press credentials if she publishes a story harmful to Grant. Yet White House staff explicitly do not have the authority to revoke credentials without legitimate cause. Yes, this is bullshit. If Olivia tried this play, Chandler would have excellent chances at a very public lawsuit whoo doodles.