Scouting Tips and Getting Hot Too Early with Matt Miller

Published Dec 2, 2021, 5:00 AM

Joining us on the show today, again for the second time, is none other than the ESPN NFL Draft Analyst and master scouter, Matt Miller. Matt joins Yannis and Olivia to do a deep dive on college football plus examining who’s best in the NFC and AFC and who’s got no playoff chances this year. They also talk about which players are falling off and which deserve continued respect. Don’t miss this week’s Lion’s Lock for your best bets, who Matt thinks will be the next coach fired, and open speculation on which spot Olivia’s baby will play!

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From the King of sports Books comes the Key Sports podcast Unleashed, presented by bet MGM. Here's your host, Jana's Papas and Olivia Harland Decker. Welcome in everybody. This is Unleashed by bet MGM, the King of Sports Books, and I love this weekend in the calendar, we have all the college football conference championships, So now the playoff picture comes together. We're gonna talk a lot about that in NFL. We are in December NFL play It gets so exciting here. This is where you gotta hit your stride, no looking back. Playoffs are fast approaching. It's gonna be good. But it was the Mets who made big headlines, giving their fans a huge ton of a gift earlier this week signing three times Cy Young winner Max Scherzer Janice Our Yankee fans a little bit nervous. Uh No, we're never nervous. The Evil Empire is never nervous about the Mets. Were nervous about a lot of things, but it's never the Mets or what's going on in Queens And yeah, congratulations to the New York Mets. It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. Happy hanaka. That is a early Christmas or Hanakah gift, but it's not going to change the fate of what happens in Queens. Queens is a tragic place and the Mets are tragic franchise. Okay, that is ice cold. We have no space for that on this show, Jannice. We are a nice show. We have a sibling rivalry that you know you would know about because I know you and your sisters probably fought over sweaters, yes, including the one I'm wearing. We've got a great show coming up. We're gonna talk with NFL draft expert Matt Miller. He's got a lot to say about Lincoln Riley headed to USC, so do I, and he'll help us preview the huge conference championship games this weekend. I can't wait to pick his brain. He knows college football players better than anyone as he scouts them on their way to the NFL. And this is gonna be a fun weekend, Honice. I mentioned the SEC Championship in Atlanta. I am working it. As you know my backgrounds in sideline reporting. This is the only game I'm doing on the sideline this year for Westwood One Radio, So make sure you tune into the national radio broadcast, you'll hear your girl, and of course I'm at Georgia alum and it's George Obama. It is gonna be so much fun. It's my third time doing this game. I'm really excited, very excited for you, and I'm gonna be tuning in to watch our girl do her thing. To listen, I'm gonna be tuning in to listen and watch. I can, but I can watch in my mind's eye because I'm so used to seeing you that I just picture you there with your baby bump, even though you don't have it yet. You're gonna be getting yelled at by Sabing and I can't wait. I asked my husband, I said what should I wear for the game? And he said, are you serious? Why does it matter? I was like, I want to be festive, and he said, yeah. The listeners around the world are going to say, boy, she sounds like she's wearing sequence right right. Well, you know we're mostly listened to here too, so I could just assure my listeners that Olivia looks fabulous as always. No, I as I am so excited and it's cool to have Matt Miller preview this. Like I mentioned, he just he knows these players. So well, we'll talk Heisman nods, then we'll get to NFL picture, we'll talk MVP ods. So that's coming up. That's gonna be a lot of fun. I love listening to Matt Miller talk. I mean, the guy is so knowledgeable. If there's anyone who could really get me into college football, it's you and him. So I can't wait to have him on again. Amazing. Well, you know who should be listening is the winner of her bad Beat Bad Beat all the Week. This week's bad Beat of the Week winner is ray at Ray Breezy. He put fifty dollars down on an eight leg parlay. The odds were plus forty four thousand, nine d seventy six for eight different players to score a touchdown anytime seven of them. Did you honest? That's usually what are bad beats are coming down to these days, is one leg of a parlay not hitting. But boy, that was pretty damn close. I feel bad for Ray Breeze it. The good news, though, is he still made his money back plus fifty bucks because he only put fifty on this bet. By submitting his bad beat bet MGM is going to give him a hundred dollars credit to try his luck again, So congratulations, Ray. Make sure you listen to Matt Miller. Make sure you listen to Peter Andrew at the end, because that will really guide you in the right direction. Also, weirdly, listen to you, honest, because he wins these picks every week. I had no idea how Yes, I throw Haymakers, and with the name like Ray Breezy, I assume he throws a makers too. M hmm. I think he sounds like a winner. Now it's time for us to sound off on one topic we feel passionately about this week, you know, the deally honest, it's time to unmake. It's time, okay, So what I want to ruin, Leshan is the college football playoff ranking. And be honest, I know you're not a big college football guy, so I'm kind of going to break this down for you and edge and mcate you on how this works. Because every conference, you know, their Power five conferences, and then there are a group of five conferences and they play their championship game this weekend. So you would think, right that the winner of every conference should then play each other in a playoff. Doesn't that make a lot of sense. It would make sense to me. Yeah, that's kind of the problem. Like in the NFL, right, the winner of your division, you play in the conference championship. It makes way too much sense. But no, in college football, we make it much more complicated than that. We have a middy who ranks these teams based on eye test, strength of schedule, all this stuff. So lo and behold. This is what's happening in a team like Cincinnati, who's in the American Conference, which is a group of six that's not one of your powerhouses. They are undefeated, they are twelve no, and they're in the picture. So the way this boils down, two games here really really matter this weekend. One is the SEC Championship Georgia and Alabama, because Alabama has a loss on their records, so if they lose to Georgia they are theoretically out of the playoff picture. Georgia is undefeated, the number one team in the country, and if they lose to Alabama they still will probably make the playoff. So that's interesting. But in the Big Ten it's Iowa and Michigan. Michigan just upside Ohio State, so Michigan is the number two team in the country. If Iowa were to beat them, it's you know, it's not like Iowa then gets in the playoff. They're not good enough, they're not in the rankings, but Michigan and will be knocked out. So then it just creates all this chaos of who gets in blah blah blah. The reason I'm unleashing on this is because Notre Dame. Notre Dame is independent. They are not in a conference, so they don't play a conference championship. Not to mention their head coach just bailed and it is going to l s U. But there is a way that Notre Dame still gets in the playoff ranking. Obviously, a couple of teams have to lose, like I mentioned, because they have to get knocked out. It drives me crazy. I can't wait to ask Matt Miller about this. Notre Dame in basketball and in I'm pretty sure all their other sports are in the a c C, which you know is that's Duke, North Carolina, Clemson. It's it's a good conference, it's a Power five conference. But in football, no, no, no, they're their own thing. They're independent. They have their own deal with NBC. They think they are so fancy, so much better than that, and they've made the playoff twice. So it bothers me that here in a world where you can have two great teams from in this case that CEC Bama and Georgia, who probably should honestly both make the playoff, that they could be knocked out by a Notre Dame team who doesn't even play this game. Do you see, honest just from like an outsider, how that seems twisted? Of course I do, And I really think this prevents a lot of casual fans who are outside of those local markets for getting involved and getting excited because you have to have a fucking economy degree or a statistician degree to understand what's going on. I mean, I'm trying to follow what you're saying, and all I'm thinking is this is stupid. It's ultimately what it will lead to is an expanded playoff, like right now they only have a four team playoff, and there's a lot of rumors about how they're going to do it. Just to cutch you up, things move very slow in college football. They hate change. It's a bunch of old heads in charge and they hate change. But once there is an expanded playoff, then we are going to have these better games, more teams involved, a true playoff like we have in the NFL, and it's just gonna be a whole deal. But yeah, so keep your eyes peeled because if something crazy happens in the Big Ten Championship or the American Championship, which is Houston and Cincinnati. If Houston were to beat Cincinnati, just a lot would change. So you can always text me and I'll explain it to you. Yeah, I mean it would take Your bubble is gonna have to be huge, because it really takes a lot to explain it. I mean, college football and baseball really need to sit down and understand that times are changing and they need to amend change, make it a little simpler. Jesus Christ. I bring up baseball because it's like, come on, guys, all right, I know it's America's past time, but you know kids are watching three second TikTok's. Can we do something to speed this freaking game up? Agreed? Anyway, that was beautiful, as always, Olivia, unbelievable. Your points are always poignant, and I learned so much my unleashed this week is going to to be a celebration. I am not going off on anyone. I am going up on my Greek people. Wave your flags white and Navy, Carolina blue. The great people are back. Baby. We dominated his sports and I almost just broke my own desk because I'm so excited. George Combuss Jr. From Australia is the new lightweight heavyweight sorry, lightweight boxing champ. I almost called him a heavyweight because in my mind he's the greatest of all time and he's the best on the planet. But a huge upset beating Lopez this weekend. The boxing community has been shaking up. He was undefeated coming in, but that's the thing about boxing. He got these guys fighting over in Australia. Finally he comes into Lopez's backyard. Lopez considered one of the best pound for pound fighters on the planet, a top the lightweight division, and he drops him in the first round wins the fight. Lopez looked like a pizza after it was done. Was a sore loser, probably was concost talking about he won ten rounds out of the twelve. He obviously was not recovered from the first round knockdown because it was a beautiful performance from my as we say in Greek Patriati, my patriot brother Jordan's Jordagos Combosos, and now he is the top the division, and Greek sports are looking good, looking good right now. We got a boxing champion, we got two top five tennis players in the male and female tennis worlds. We have the best basketball player on the planet, and we always have John Stamos winning the most beautiful man on the planet. And Pete Sampraci is now bald, but he's still the third best tennis player ever, but he's bald. And we always got me who looks like John's day most if he was blind. So we have every category covered. The Gloria. Greece is coming back, baby. Congratulations to George Combos from Australia. Oh I love hearing you say all that. That was such a fun listen. And I don't know what the hell you're talking about. It's all Greek to you. But let me just tell you what happened this weekend in boxing was another Greek upset, akin to maybe the biggest sports upset of all time it's considered by most, which was when Greece one the soccer Euro Cup in two thousand and four, so he was a seven to one underdog going in against Lopez anyone, because you can never count the Greeks out. We always come back. That was beautiful. That really was That was beautiful. That's making me want some Bennett didn't goes Madres maybe whatever did? It made me hungry. You also said pizza in there, so that made me hungry too. On that note, let's bring in Matt Miller. For him, the NFL Draft isn't just over a few days in April. It's a three d sixty five days a year type of gig. The founder of the draft scout dot com ESPN draft analyst Matt Miller. Matt, thanks so much for joining us again. Yeah, it's great to be back with you guys. And we've got like this little Missouri can actually go on for at least two thirds of the group here, So we'll have to we'll have to find a way to get everyone in Kansas City. I guess for the draft. Hey, wouldn't that be good? I know, And we've been having this great weather lately. This is awesome. I know, I know, it's weird. It's I have a company Christmas party next week and you can't break out the ugly Christmas sweater because it's like seventy degrees here right now. So but enough bragging about our wonderful Missouri weather. Yeah, Janice, how is it up there? It's good, and I'm scheduled actually to come down to Kansas City. I've been invited by Jackson Mahomes to collaborate on a TikTok, so hopefully we can get together and grab some stakes or something. I can't wait to see us. If that were true, I'd go ahead and start looking for a new co host. Okay, Matt, let's get to the big story. Lincoln Riley's departure from o U has sent the transport Portal into overdrive. I love picturing it being like one big hard drive that is actually steaming and smoking. A lot of coaching changes are really affecting. More players are going. So update us on what you know today of key college players and where they're going. Yeah, Levi, it's been crazy because for about two weeks a lot of people would would reach out and say, hey, we're hearing crazy things coming out of the Oklahoma program right now. The problem is we all thought Lincoln riley would go to l s U Saturday night. Of course, after losing a Bedlin he says, I'm not gonna be the next head coach at l s U. Of course he wasn't, because he's gonna be the next head coach. USC has really turned things upside down. I think we've already seen Spencer Rattler, who near the year as a Heisman Trophy favorite, as an NFL Draft favorite at the quarterback position. He has entered the transfer portal. We've seen quite a few Oklahoma commits, whether that be two or two twenty three signing class excuse me, have already said yeah, maybe I need to reopen my recruitment and see where I want to land. So those have been the big things right now. We haven't seen the market players. Caleb Williams, the quarterback at Oklahoma who came in during the Texas game and really lit that offense on fire. He has said, hey, I'm taking some time to figure things out. Marvin Mims, their star receiver, taking some time to figure things out. So I think a lot of Oklahoma players are waiting to see who that next head coach will be. And I think it Notre Dame. We have Brian Kelly going to l s U and arguably a shocking of a move that he would leave Notre Dame for l s U. It seems like a weird fit culturally. Brian has said two months ago, like two hundred fifty million dollars, Sure I'll leave, you know, Notre Dame. It only million only came out. But I think one weird thing there is what my prediction is, We're going to see a lot of Oklahoma players because they've recruited California so well follow Lincoln Riley or change their recruiting commitment to USC. I don't think we're gonna see a lot of Notre name kids line up to follow Brian Kelly. He's a great coach, but he's known as kind of a prickly guy. You know, he's a little bit older, not as much fun. I don't think we're gonna see that South Bend to Baton Rouge pipeline open up anytime soon. The only college football question I have about is storming the field. I mean, should they bringing the National Guard to prevent that? Isn't that a safety hazard? I don't know. I've been at games where like you get caught up in the moment and you're just like, Okay, I'm getting out there, Olivia. I don't know if you lived in Kansas City then, but when the Royals won the wild card game against the Oakland A's, I was about twelve rows up and I should have stormed the field. Actually, like one of my biggest regrets in life is I should have ran out there and hop down onto the field. So I'm probably the wrong guy to ask, because when you're there in that moment and your team's winning, it's is you know, you're we're all eighteen again. Yeah, yeah, it does violate COVID restrictions, though true, it's not a good idea with six ft apart. Yeah. Yeah, So you mentioned Brian Kelly to l s U, Lincoln Riley to USC. I'm hearing rumors of Brett Venables to Oklahoma. Maybe by the time Miss ayres that will be confirmed. What do you know or what you can predict for what spots are left? Yeah, I think Britt Venables, the Clemson defensive coordinator, is an obvious connection to Oklahoma just given his history. They're also, you know, the type of coach that they want. Remember they hired Bob Stoops away from Kansas State. He was a defensive assistant there. So Oklahoma has become known as this offensive powerhouse under Lincoln Riley in the past four years. But this is traditionally more of a running team or of a defensive heavy team. So I wouldn't be surprised to see britt Venables. I think one of the big questions would be what does he do at offensive coordinator. Jeff Levy is someone whose name has been mentioned in the kind of the coaching rumor mill as someone who could come be his offensive coordinator. But I think something interesting is what Notre Dame will do that is a blue blood marquee job. Obviously we've heard for years, whether it's Lou Holtz or Brian Kelly. It's hard to recruit there. There's a lot of restrictions in terms of what type of student athlete you have to have. So I think that is something that will be interesting. You know, they've said this morning that they the interim coach will not be a candidate for the head coaching job. That could be bad news for defensive coordinator Marcus Marcus Freeman, excuse me. There's rumors that he could be going to l s U as a new defensive coordinator for Brian Kelly. So right now, there's that's really it's the Notre Dame job that's kind of stirring the pot Oklahoma. I wouldn't be shocked if Bob Stoops just takes the job back and says, you know what, I stepped away. I'm ready to come back. I'm sixty one years old, like my man was doing like XFL stuff. He's on Big New Kickoff. It feels like he's ready. And let's not forget the guy whose job he took on Big New Kickoff was Urban Meyer, who part layed that job into a head coaching job. So it seems like a pretty good stepping stone. I think it's so odd for him to join as the interim for a bowl game. Anyways, when he does have the gigs like you mentioned, that's a very weird fit to me, And like why was he there? I know that everybody's like, oh, it's I don't know. If you'll have ever been to Norman, Oklahoma, You're never just like accidentally there right now you're on the way to Dallas if you're in Norman, Oklahoma. So it's like, why was bomb Stoops? He was in Columbus or an Arbor, Michigan for the game on Saturday, and then it's just like, oh, weird, now you're in Norman, Oklahoma on Sunday. To me that that's too coincidental that the dude just happened to be hanging out in the middle of Oklahoma and not back in l A where he's working for Fox. You mentioned Notre Dame. Do you think they should join the A c C. I've been saying that for a while. They did last year in a weird COVID schedule, but now is the playoff picture shakes out, it just doesn't seem right that they're not playing in a championship game in their conference. You are absolutely right about that, and I actually think one reason I think that we're seeing Brian Kelly Lee for l s U is just that you have to be in a conference to be in the college football playoffs. And even though Notre Dame it's like a favorite school, it's basically if you have you have one, lost your in if you're Notre Dame. But we've seen how hard it is for them. It feels like a fight to get Notre Dame into that college football playoff ever year theyre usually the four seed, so I do think that they have to almost step back and look and say, hey, we we got to do something different here and joining the a SEC. Like Clemson is down right now, Miami is down right now, Florida State, I don't even know if anyone remembers there in the SEC right now, there's an open door to dominating this this conference right now, and Clemson will probably be back, but right now you would be the favorites to win the conference next year. So I do think, you know, we're seeing a shift right now. Texas and Oklahoma are going to the SEC sooner rather than later. I think we'll see a lot of you know, domino effects from there with other schools joining the Big twelve. But the time is right for Notre Dame to get into the A C C. And I think last year proved that it's not a bad thing for them and they don't lose some of that nostalgia of being an independent school by joining a conference is an easier path to the postseason. What do you think about the Heisman? Who is your favorite to win the Heisman? And so this is what upsets me because I think it should be aiden Hutchinson, who had like nineteen pressures against Ohio State. The Michigan defensive end. He's been amazing this year and he has this the stats to back it up. This isn't just like you know, I remember watching guys like Aaron Donald and Khalil macdominant in college and you'd be like, this is a defender that actually warrants Heisman consideration. They weren't on good enough teams. The problem is Aiden Hutchinson is on the number two team in the country and is dominating at that level. I really thought that we saw Saturday was lining up where c J. Stroud the quarterback in Ohio State and Rice Young the quarterback in Alabama. I thought it was lining up one of those guys who are gonna have a big game. They were gonna ride off into the Heisman sunset. They both had bad games, though, and so Alabama did win. Maybe that helps, But I think if we could ever just be honest about, Okay, who is the best player in the country right now, it is Aiden Hutchinson, and he had the best game that a defensive end has had in years. He had it on that huge stage Saturday morning against Ohio State. So that would be my vote. Realistically, it'll probably be Bryce Young because it's the best quarterback for the you know, highest ranked team, and Georgia has had really a quarterback by committee. They don't have an offensive player that you would put into that spot. Right. Well, it's hard to get a vision this year. It's not a very sexy Heisman race, and really most of the players that deserve it, like you mentioned Aidan Hutchinson, there's Thibodeau, Will Anderson, Jordan Davis, all these defensive players which the average fan is not going to get excited about. So how would you shake up the Heisman voting in regards to this? I honestly think, and I'm not a Heisman voter, I do think they need to get rid of some of the there's a lot of Heisman voters out there. I think they almost need to start over and get a little bit younger. They need to find more of a like almost evening the population. So there's some guys on the West Coast, guys girls in the West Coast, some people on the East Coast. You know, I can remember the year Christian McCaffrey didn't win it and should have. People were admitting I didn't stay up to watch him play at Stanford, and so Derrick Henry one and had a great year. He deserved it. But I do think we need to find more of an whereas more even I love the idea of letting previous winners be a voter. Let's not go away with that, right, but I would like to see Heisman voters maybe have term limits like we see in in politics. And I know there's a movement right now to maybe do that with the Pro Football Hall of Fame voters. But I also think we gotta get a little bit younger. This isn't my petitioning for a vote, I really don't care, but to get a little bit younger, and then also like spread it out. I mean, I watched a lot of college football. He would you would think, But I also probably look at it differently because I do truly believe it should go to the best player. I think it would be awesome to have Michigan have the only two defensive players to ever win the highest man Charles Woodson, you know, doing it back in and then if aiden can get it done this year, now, that'd be awesome. Let's talk a little NFL nobody how to right now than Mac Jones and the familiar New England Patriots. Is this Mac jones is coming out party or is there just a good old, same old Bill Belichick system going to work in New England. I think it's both, And I think it's okay that he is a quote unquote system quarterback. I'm okay with that. Tom Brady was the system quarterback. He was just really good in a really good system. Joe Montana was the same way. So I think mac Jones can be great in their system and be a great quarterback as well. You know, they do such a good job, and I wish more teams would do this. They asked him to do what he's really good at, and it's it's that simple, right They're not asking him to do things that he's not equipped to do right now. So I do think it's his coming out party, you know, to win. This is six straight games right now to be you know, tied for the most wins in the a f C. And they're doing it in an old school two thousand and one New England Patriots kind of way, where some weeks it's the quarterback, some weeks it's the run game. Every week it's the defense just dominating people. I think one thing you have to worry about is getting hot too soon. Last year we saw Tampa Baby seven and five and it just everyone was like, what is wrong with them? They it there bye week, they figured some things out and they didn't lose again. So I think that's the key this year is, you know, there's been so many devastating injuries, so it's really going to come down to who's healthy at the end. But you also you don't want to get hot too early, and I think that's something that Belichick knows how to manage better than anyone, having been through so many post seasons. They know how to, you know, manage the workload for players. They know how to manage the practice load, and it spread that energy out from now, you know, over the next five weeks, let's stay in the a f C. Another team who certainly did not get too hot too early are our Kansas City Chiefs, and now they have four losses and that's how many they had in their Super Bowl winning season. Do you think they're done losing? And could they go all the way? They could definitely go all the way. I think anytime you have Patrick Mahomes like you're always in the conversation. It's it's kind of like how Aaron Rodgers and the Green bet Packers have been. As long as he's out there, you have a chance, right, a really good one. I think what should be most encouraging is how well the defense has played. And I was a skeptic, you know, when they were shutting down Jordan Loved Daniel Jones. I was trying to tell people, it's like, okay, well they really haven't beat anyone yet, you know, and then to you know, go up against the Raiders to shut down an offense that have been playing very well up to that point. I think you can be encouraged by how well both sides the ball are playing. And going back to that Super Bowl run, it was the defense playing exceptionally well, you know, especially in the Super Bowl they shut the forty niners down on the second half. So I do think that you have to be encouraged. And from Mahomes, you know, back to back weeks to have great, great performances, you start to feel like they're figuring things out offensively where they're getting back to some of the big plays, and I still think they're missing a weapon. Hopefully we see whether it's Byron Pringle or Michoel Hartman, someone has to step up into that role. But it does feel like they're starting to get more balanced on offense, and that's a scary, scary thing for everyone else. Janice, how you so sick about talking about the Chiefs and Packers every week on the show. I'm sorry. I love it. Look, I love it. I love it. We either go Midwest or we go to New York. But there's just a lot more to talk about in your neck of the woods. So I concede. You know, this week you're Giants, Giants looking good. They're gonna go all the way. That's my prediction. We're gonna win it. We're gonna have another surprise season. Just like Matt said, you don't want to get hot too early, and the Giants certainly did not get early. Yeah. So in our last two Super Bowl wins, you know, we pulled it together at the end and shocked the world. I'm ready for it to happen again. I'll piggyback off that. Who is the first NFL coach to get fired in your opinion after this year? Oh man, that is other than John Gruden. I guess we're calling out the firing, right count. I really do think we could see Matt Naggy fired. And I know, you know, the Bears have been so up and down, but it just it feels like they've made too many mistakes there and he's had chances, you know, they they have changed quarterbacks, they you know, signed Andy Dalton. Now it's justin fields, and they've turned over the staff once already. It starts to be like you run out of chances at some point. So I think Matt Naggi is one that makes the most sense and my sleeper. Though I could see Pete Carroll retiring. I can see like that whole thing is sattle just feels like no one wants to be there anymore. You know, he's a sneaky and older guy and his upper sixties. So I can also see Pete Carroll just being like, you know what Russell Wilson wants traded. I've heard rumors of a you know, kind of a power dynamic there with the general manager, John Schneider. So I just also, I just wouldn't be shocked if Pete Carroll, you know, after the end of the regular season. It's like I've had it I'm done the time to move back to southern California and and just you know, be an old man. I really hope someone describes me that way one day. She's sneaky old, like she has amazing botox five right. I think it's the energy as well, Like you gotta have that energy that Pete Carroll has, so it's not the botox. Okay, what do you think about that game? Is Heineken going to get his respect or I mean, how good does Washington have to get for him to get a little respect put a little respect on his name. I think we're there. I mean, the Seattle defense is obviously not what it used to be, but I do think we're to a point where I mean I was watching it was like, man, maybe, yeah, I need to give this dude another chance because he's just he's just making place and he I think the thing with Taylor is he's playing better than some guys who we think are better than him, Like he's just outperforming them. But he's doing it in like an Alex Smith kind of way, like it's just super sneaky, like moving the ball down the field. But I know a lot of fan bases that would take that right now. And so I think when you have when their defense plays as well as it did last night, when Gibson's going in the running game, when mckissics going, then you start seeing, Okay, he's the type of quarterback that you can win games with, but he can't win games for you. And so I think if you have a great defense, you are okay with that you're gonna win eight or nine games, You're okay with having a game manager. The question will be what Ronner Vera wants to do. Does he feel like he needs a quarterback who can win games or does he feel like we can build up a good enough run game and a good enough defense that we can be competitive without top tier quarterback. Basically okay, So, Matt, this makes me question what guys like you do for scouts coming out of college. Taylor kind of key out of old dominion and here he is running a great offense and beating teams they shouldn't beat and hanging in there. When you look at the way you analyze players coming out of college, what biggest surprises have you had in your career like a guy like Taylor Hernicky, No, one's all coming. No, it is always guys like that where you hear things and I remember evaluating him and you heard things about like, man, he's just he's so smart and he does all the little things right, but he can move better than people think. You would kind of look at him and be like like, Okay, you almost typecast him of like he's not going to be super mobile, super athletic or the biggest arm But then you watch him play and he's what you would call a gamer, Like he just makes plays that you don't expect him to. And I think that's what we've seen even in Washington, Like I'm willing to bet money he's not a great practice player, but when you throw him out there on Sunday or Monday night, he just gets that energy going and he becomes much more dynamic. So that is one of the hardest parts of my job with quarterback evaluation. That's something I'm constantly trying to self scout and learn from is it's almost we overcomplict hate it, and sometimes you just need to watch guys on Saturday during college season and be like, who's making plays, who's performing will and then if you have the requisite arm strength, height, athleticism, and intelligence, like you're probably going to be a decent player. And I think with Taylor Heineke, that's what so everyone misses. And I think for you know, for me with some of my biggest misses, we almost go the other way. You forget to look at those intangible things and you look at arm strength or forty yard dashtime or size instead of just man, how good was this guy or did he get better every year? I remember watching Josh Roseen at U c l A. He was great as a freshman and he was annointed as like this guy's will be a first round pick. Got worse every year, you know, Christian Hackenberger Penn State, same way, like he got worse every year. But we fall in love with almost the image of what those guys were instead of like keeping updated, be like you're not going to fix them. It's like dating advice. You're not going to fix them, right, You're you're you're getting them as who they are. And so I think that's what we have to learn with quarterbacks is like you're you're getting the player that you saw last I gotta ask you this question not to beat the dead horse or go back too far into the past, but what happened with Tim Tebow. I mean, talk about a gamer. Why hasn't a team taken a chance on Tim Tebow? I mean when he played, he didn't play bad. You're just trying to get me to say something that's kind of trend on Twitter right now. Right, It's like absolutely now, I don't think Tebo could ever throw the ball well enough. Maybe he was before his time, maybe he was ahead of his time. It was just it was never there as a pastor. And I think that's even something we saw last week with Cam Newton, Like at some point you have to be efficient as a thrower or it's not gonna work, Like you can't go five of twenty one. And so as great as Tebow was as a leader, I actually think he's the greatest college football quarterback of like our era, right. I Mean, he fantastic player, great leader, but in the NFL, like it still comes down to you have to to make the throws and and he just couldn't do that. And I think we're even seeing, you know, as Cam Newton gets older, we're seeing some of the struggles there, you know, And there's a lot of guys right now where you could say, hey, you have to be able to make that throw or all the other things. Is the leadership, the athleticism, They don't matter if you can't hit the open window. Okay, we talked about the a f C a little bit. Let's get into the NFC. Who's overperforming? Who do you really like to continue out through December and have a great playoff spot. Yeah, you know, we talked about at the a f C. It's like, you don't want to get hot too early. The San Francisco forty Niners might have peaked at the right time. You know, a month ago we were talking about Kyle Shanahanna, John Lynch, don't know how to build a team. What are they doing? Well? They've gotten healthy, and I think that is one, you know, very fair critique of their roster building, as a lot of guys who had injury concerns in college, they get to the NFL, they have injury concerns right now outside of Deebo Samuel, they're fairly healthy, and so they're getting hot at the right time. So I would say they're a team that's overperforming. And even when Jimmy Garoppolo plays like Jimmy Garoppolo, they're still winning games, which is what you want. To see, like we're talking about with you know, other quarterbacks, you might not win because of him every week, but can you still win? And that's what they're doing. I think green Bay is the team to beat right now. I really expected the Rams to give them much more of a contest on Sunday, and I even tweeted Sunday it was like, this is one of the definitive butt whippings that we've seen this year. Is just green Bay going in there running the ball with a J. Dolan and Aaron Jones, carving people up with power plays and basically saying like, oh you have Aaron Donald, the von Miller, we don't care. Even with our best offensive lineman Elton Jenkins out, we don't care. We're still gonna maul you. And it's like, to me, that's a statement win for green Bay to show they don't have to beat you with Aaron Rodgers thrown for five yards. They can beat you with the power running game. They could beat you with you know, receivers out of the backfield. And then that defense is playing so well right now, you know, I know, I know the Rams kind of made it close late, but that was to me just a definitive win for Green Bay and a defense that was so maligned early in the season and everyone thought Joe Barry didn't have it and I mean talk about it come around. I'm a big Packer fan as well, and I kind of thought that game said more about the ram Zough Rams now after by dropping that on the road third straight loss. Who are the Rams? I feel like we've been saying that for few years, right It's like, who what is this team? You know? You? They'll go through streaks where they're so hot and like no one can stop them and figure them out, and then it's like people catch up to Sean McVeigh, which it does go back to when he was hired. I don't know if you guys remember he was kind of an unknown. It was like, who's this thirty year old coach or whatever? And one thing that someone told me it was that his biggest weakness is adapting. Sean is brilliant at scheming things up and he can draw these beautiful plays, but his ability to adapt and evolve is where he struggled as a coach. And I think we're seeing that play are right now, is that he is struggling. People go through these phases where they get caught up to the film and they figure him out. So I think that's where we're at. We're seeing it with with Matthew Stafford just not playing very well. You know, even Cooper Cup has been somewhat bottled up as of late. So I feel like that's just what you get with the Rams. The year they went to the Super Bowl, they got hot at the right time, like we were saying, and I feel like Sean got on that streak of no one can figure him out right now, and so they just they rode that into the Super Bowl where they got figured out by Bill Belichick. So that's just kind of the roller coaster that you it with a Rams team. Do you think it has anything to do with Odell Beckham Jr. Being a distraction or No. I don't think so, not yet. I don't think so. Like l A's where Odell wanted to be, He's gonna be on his best behavior. I still think Matthew Stafford is just physically the most talented quarterback he's ever played with. You know, Eli obviously had a much better career, but just in terms of physical talent and his ability to throw, Stafford's arm is still one of the best in the game, and so I think Odell probably looks at that and he's trying to find his fit right now. He actually had a really good game last week, especially you know from a fantasy perspective, he had a great week last week. So I think he's just still trying to find his fit and figure out where he's at. This is a strong locker room. Andrew what Worth, their left tackle, is one of the best leaders in all the football. So I actually think the Rams one of the teams that can keep Odell happy and in check at the same time. Nice you mentioned earlier with the Seahawks a couple of rumors that you were hearing. What's a great rumor you've heard in the last couple of weeks. Doesn't mean it has to be true, but give us some fodder. Oh. I think the biggest one, and I think it came out, was that the Giants were gonna let go Dave Gentleman, and that just sets up so perfectly for him to be the GM. It's just like, if the Giants fired Dave Gentleman, what is their philosophy moving forward? Because when they made their change a couple of years ago, when they when they made the move to fire the previous GM, it was like, this is a great job. And I think that's one thing you hear about the Giants is how good the ownership group is. Like it was viewed as this is a top tier job, and they went hired a guy who had just got fired by the Carolina Panthers, And so I think the fodder right now Olivia is who is like what direction do they go. Do they go with the Patriots connection to keep Joe Judge or do they bring in a general manager and let that person make a decision to either clean house or keep Joe Judge. It's just where will the power balance be, because the Giants have two picks in the top ten right now, Like that is a is a very attractive destination because of the city, of the market, the ownership, and the draft capital they have right now. So I think that is one of the biggest ones right now. It's just you know, trying to figure out what direction they're actually going to go, because it will have a domino effect if you hear that, hey, you have to keep Joe Judge, It's be a lot of good general manager candidates who don't want to take that because they want to pick their own guy, and Daniel Jones the same way. He's played well at times, but he's not been great. So there's also gonna be people asking like, do I have to keep the head coach and quarterback or do I get to go my own way here? Matt, your opinions are so experts, so I have to ask you this question. Olivia is having a baby with her husband, Sam Decker. Given the sports pedigree, given the basketball pedigree, but also the football pedigree, are we looking at a Division one basketball or football athlete? You know, I think soccer would make the most sense, right because you get the letticism of you know, Sam's linked would be great, and then like Olivia's feistin is, maybe we're looking at it like a MIDFI. I don't knowing about soccer, guys. I'm not gonna lie. You know, I hope football. You know that the Chiefs need some size at receiver. I don't know you know how long Mahomes is gonna hold out there, but they definitely need a red zone target. So if you guys can hurry this thing up, I think they would appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying to hurry this thing up. I bet we already have a scholarship offer from Wisconsin Basketball. And I just got off a zoom with Kirby Smart and I told him that we're expecting a little bulldog in May. So I think he might be like a good tight end to in the SEC. I think you're gonna have to, you know, put some weight on him. Yeah, you know, you're both kind of lankier people. So I feel like, you know, we're gonna get a strength program going. But I'm believe in you guys. Just Kansas City Barbecue, Minsky's Pizza, Like, yeah, there's there, this can happen. Yeah, well, he'll definitely be the m v P and our family. Who do you like for the m v P this season? You mentioned Stafford. I really like Stafford early on. Now I'm not so sure to again, like Heisman that there doesn't seem to be a clear cut favorite except Brady if you're trying to avoid Brady, and it feels like the NFL usually does avoid Brady. I feel like he has this like the Lebron syndrome, where you're so great that people forget to give you awards when you're you know, just your normal self, but you're still great. So I think Brady should be the favorite. I would say Mahomes is climbing if he can cut down on some of the picks we saw early in the year, But like, why not Jonathan Taylor. I know the Colts are like the middle of the road team right now, but what Jonathan Taylor is doing in that offense has been phenomenal, and it feels like running backs have been a little disrespected in the m v P race, you know, the last ten years. But I do think he's definitely worthy as long as he can stay healthy over the next five weeks. I mean, wee we're gonna see him a clipse two thousand total yards and really put that team on his back with Carson Wentz being so uneven assive late. So Matt Miller, if I understanding correctly, we're having a defensive end when Heisman or having a running back when m v P Pete Carroll's retiring and gonna sit in my ties and Southern cal what else? Yeah, I think that sums it up pretty much. Yeah, right, and we'll see if we can. I don't know, maybe maybe the Royals will win the World Series. That would make all those things that make me very happy. I gotta say, though, I've, you know, because of this up and down Giant season, I've become a little bit of a Green Bay Packers fan. No mention of Davante. I mean, DeVante is like I've never felt better about a receiver being out there than him. Is he not in the running at all? I think he's in the running. It's just you almost get penalized playing receiver because people automatically look at your quarterback, you know, even like Tyreek Hill this year, not to make this a Green Bay in Kansas City podcast, but like Terry Hills having his best year ever, but no one talks about him because they talk about Mahomes. And I think Davante is a similar situation, which great for him because he's a free agent after this year and my man is going to get paid and he deserves it. But it's funny because I really felt like when the season started there was still a debate about who's the best receiver in football, and there's not anymore. It's Davante Adams, Like he is the best wide receiver in the NFL, and there's not really a question about it. Through what are we at twelve weeks right now? Well, I just looked it up, be honest, for your sake, and if you want to put money on it, Davante Adams five hundred to one odds at bet MGM, that's a pretty good bet. Actually, Well but you know, yeah, it's great. But yeah, I mean that's what that's just a little frustrating about it. I would think if you're not a quarterback, if you're not at the quarterback position, I want to ask you. I think I've asked this question before, but I'd love to get your take on it. Should there be two different awards, like one Quarterback of the Year and then another m v P for Offensive Player of the Year. There is they do that they do like Offensive Pay the Year, Defensive Player the Year. It just doesn't have the same like cash it, you know, it doesn't care the same weight. So maybe they just need to rename it like Offensive MVP Defensive MVP. That that might help, you know. It's like in college, like they have the ben Nerrik Award, the Outline War. They have these awards for other players at these positions. But I think m v P it's just it's just a known thing. It's going to be a quarterback, maybe a running back. I have a record setting year and that's really it, and it's unfortunate, but that's you know that we can sit here for an hour and we're mostly going to talk about quarterbacks and there's a reason for it now solutely. Yeah. Well, Matt Miller, you are a wealth of knowledge. It's really fun having you on. I hope we have you on at least once more before the NFL Draft. That is your busiest time of year, though, so we appreciate anytime we get with you. Thanks so much. Yeah, thank you so much. Guys, have a good one. You can follow Matt Miller on Twitter at NFL Draft Scout. Matt Miller was so much fun to talk to. He's got me ready for college football and all the weird scenarios that are going to happen this weekend with the conference championships. Be honest, I'm so excited. This is the week I know you don't watch a ton of college football, but if you're going to make it this weekend, there's such good games on. And on that note, let's bring in Peter Andrew, our bet MGM betting expert to help us dissect some of these and how the college football playoff picture could be really, really altered with some weird scenarios. Peter, Welcome to the show again. I guess it's kind of your show too. I guess kind of. At this point, I feel like I'm just well, I am a regular sell Yeah, happy to be part of it. Yeah. Again, I don't know if you're getting paid for this, but that's your fault if you didn't. I'm not, but I'm gonna have to talk about representation with both of you guys offline. Yeah, and for those of you listening wondering, Peter is not in the bathroom. It's just he doesn't have a mic this week because the boss is in town and he's at the job. It sounds like you're dropping a deuce. So I just want to let people know you're not speaking of dropping a deuce. I think Bama is going to do so at Mercedes Been Stadium Saturday against Georgia, the top team in the country, the top defense in the country. I'm working that game and I am so excited and just watching Alabama downtend nothing to Auburn in the Iron Bowl. Auburn, who isn't even ranked and they had to win in four overtimes. It was ugly. They've had a hard time putting up points against Florida, against Tennessee. They have struggled this season, and they are six and a half point dog for the first time in the SEC Championship. We were just talking about this game before we went on air, and I think this is Georgia's to win. Lay the points. I think they win by a healthy amount, definitely more than six and a half. Peter, what do you think? Yeah, it's one matchup for me that really will I think to take this this game, it's Bamma's defensive line first, Georgia's offensive line. I think you just kind of alluded to it, Mamma struggling scorn points. They did not look good for most of the game against Auburn. They got a little bit lucky towards towards the latter half of the game last weekend. If they can contain their offense, they can keep them too let's say five points or lost. I think they've got a legitimate shot. Georgia pretty high powered team, so it's gonna be tough. I'm gonna take six and a half. I'm just thinking about saving magic. But it's gonna be I think the game of the week. You got probably the two best teams are two of the three best teams. We'll see about Michigan, I'm taking plus six and a half. I guess we're gonna have a little rivalry this weekend too, since I'm going against Georgia's finest over there, Olivia, and let's go over to the Big Ten Championship that's in India at Lucas Oil Stadium. It is another game in a dome. It is so great, especially for these Big Ten teams to play indoors. It's like going to Hawaii for them. Michigan is a ten and a half point favorite over Iowa and they just pulled off the super emotional upset over Ohio State. The game that was that lived up to all the hype. It was beautiful to even watch on TV. But ten and a half, Peter, what do you think? And Jana's you chirp into do you think that's too much? I think that's accurate. This is such a weird game to me because on paper, Michigan I think should blow them out of the water. I'm very concerned. This is the emotional piece of these games is coming off a huge win against Ohio. It seems like it's the first time in my lifetime they've done it. I think it's been probably ten fifteen years. Actually. I'd just be concerned that there's so much stock into just that big win last week, which is kind of like their national championship the regular season. Wouldn't be surprised if I would keep this close, but I will be taken Michigan in the points ten and a half. I think they are just too complete a team that a second ago. They're probably one of the three best teams in college football right now. So it's it's hard to go against a team, especially after such dominating win against an Ohio State team that we saw smoke Michigan State week. Some look really really impressive and really shipped the bed. Another ten and a half point spread is Houston at Cincinnati. Now Cincinnati, for a lot of people who don't know, is currently in the playoff picture in the top four spots. Of course, chaos could ensue, and this game actually really matters. If Houston beat Cincinnati, we're not talking about him anymore. But they're twelve and no undefeated. They've earned it and they are a ten and a half point favorite. Peter also, is this one? Then? Let me phrase, if you're going to take one of those games, the Big Ten Championship or the American Championship ten and a half point spread, who is a safer bet, it's gotta be Sincy. I think they need this game. I mean, they're you know, we talked about these mid tier kind of conference teams since he for how long have we been saying when are they can actually crack top for? When are they actually going to be in that picture? They're finally there. They obviously got a little bit of help across the board, but they need this because you never know what can happen with some of these other teams that are kind of teetering in the one lost teams or the even a couple of the two lost teams that are just teetering in the top ten that are trying to claw their way back. I think if since he shows a commanding twenty point when this week, I think they're in really good shape. They need to come out and just fire on all cylinders and leave nothing to doubt. I love it. I love it. Great analysis. I'm completely skipping the A C. C. Impact twelve because no one is relevant in the playoff picture and those games, which is sad. It's not good for college football. But here we are, we're talking about the American Championship. I love it. Okay, Yanna want to get to NFL? Yeah, Peter, what do we got coming up? But first I really wanted to talk to you because we haven't mentioned it yet. A nine nine score at the half? Has that ever happened in NFL history? I'm talking about, of course the Redskins game. And what could you say about this Washington team looking good and their defense and they're underrated QB. I will say there's probably been a couple of nine nine games, but never the way that happened on Monday night where two point conversion went the other way and that's how they scored the kew points to put them back at noted up at nine. That was one of the more intriguing ways that has happened, rather than just six field goals. It was a crazy game on Monday. Heineken looks really good. I think they look more complete than than people have thought. You got Mkissick in the endzone a couple of times you didn't have to rely on Antonio Gibson or Term McLaurin. But I think there's a lot to be said about Seattle struggles. They do not look like the Seattle team from two, four or six years ago. I would not be shocked and Ross is on his way out after this year. Doesn't seem like anything's right with dk MetPath. I think he had one target and the game with a minute left in the game. Probably for the rest of the season. I'd be fading Seattle. I think there's something fishy there. There's already rumors about Pete Carroll. Does he take another job? I know he's kind of vivently denied that he would take a college job or speculating, but who knows. Maybe he takes one of these roles, maybe he moves on. But I don't think Russe is in Seattle next year. And I think there's there's the decline that everybody's been expecting for a couple of years. I think it's starting to happen now, do you hear that? Yeah, Matt Miller said the same thing, So you know, keep your antennas on. It looks like Seattle is at the end of their era. Sad I'm glad for once, I wasn't just making things up and not know where the smartest draft guy was agreeing with. Yes, oh yeah, he was dropping knowledge. You're gonna want to listen to his segment to Okay, let's get to games this weekend. Every weekend, Peter picks three games, and Janice and I take our picks, and whoever loses has to need the outro that the other one wrote for him. We call the segment punishment picks. Peter go ahead late on this. Yeah, So all three games I picked this week all in Division games. First one, Ravens at the Steelers. Ravens are three and a half point favorites. Tricky because the Steelers they looked awful last week. I think Ravens have been a little bit back and forth. The three and a half points and on the road in Pittsburgh, what are you guys like there? I like the Ravens there. Lamar Jackson with the four picks that was such an aberration. That was crazy. I still think he's one of the top guys in the game because every week you never know what you're gonna get. Maybe unfortunately that also includes the bad side. But Steelers were horrible last week. How can you not pick the Ravens here? And three and a half a small number? Yeah, it is a small number, and talk about an end of an era. I feel like the Steelers are right there with Seattle. I don't know who's gonna play quarterback next year. Maybe it'll be me, maybe to be a living's kid, who knows what's gonna happen. But I'm gonna stick with Big Ben for this one. I think Big Ben. It's a bipolar situation there in Pittsburgh and they're gonna take out the fading Ravens. It's a funny Steelers story because I think they've got some pieces nag Harris pieces for the future. But maybe it's without Ben and we'll see I guess next year. Yeah, yeah, Ben's done. Yeah, good segue. You mentioned the Seahawks. San Francisco travels up to Seattle, another three and a half point favorite. So San Franisco is favorite by three and a half. Good win last week against the Vikings, but they are a little beaten up. I think Debo's probably out for a week or two. Who's been there? Number one weapon? What do you guys like here? Um, I'm gonna go San FRANCISKI take this train to San Franciski. Yeah, me too, Me too. I I just think if we're if all we're talking about is how the Seahawks are are bruising, beating and battered, and everyone's even and retiring and moving on, then I just don't know what's left in the tank for the rest of the season now that we are going to be in December in San fran Like Matt Miller said, getting good at the right time, and and Devo should be back in a couple of weeks. I like the forty niners here. Yeah. Yeah, I was about to say it was impossible not to take the forty niners. After talking to Matt Miller, it was just impossible. Yeah, I'm liking it more and more. It's gonna be an interesting one. You know, they're fighting for their playoffs spot there in the sixth seed right now, so they're they're fighting for something now. Last game, this line is a bit intriguing to me. Nine and a half point dogs at Kansas City. I understand it, but Denver came off a pretty good win last weekend l A against We've made the Chargers. What do you guys like here? Almost ten points the pretty h number. I think I like Denver plus nine and a half. And if you're in Denver, for sure, I like the Chiefs to win. But I like Denver plus nine and a half. I think I think the loo is way like a touchdown. Yeah, well, so you're what are you doing? You're gonna You're gonna go. Well, that's why I get confused on this show. We really are making money line picks, right, Peter. I mean we usually pick a clear cut winner. So if we are sticking with how we've always done the show, then the Chiefs. But true with the spread, I'm like, in Denver, alright, well, I'm gonna take the Chiefs. I think they're gonna blow them out. I think they're gonna blow them out. Chiefs are I'm just listening to Matt Miller. Chiefs look good, they may win it all. I'm taking the Chiefs and I'm taking the points. This is one of those fishy games to me, But that's such high spread that I may sprinkle a little bit on Broncos just to win out right, Amen. But in Kansas City, the way the Chiefs been playing, I mean it could be a blow out. It could be a games. So this is an interesting one for for for coming, absolutely not as interesting as what's coming up. That is right, because we switched things up last week and had Janice and Peter bet on my gender reveal. I guess my kid's gender reveal. I feel pretty certain I'm a woman. We've got to make Peter pay. Joanna and I must be more on the same page than we realized because Joannice knew I was having a boy. Peter, you just don't know me like I thought. So I'm sorry, but you lost the punishment. Pick and Jonas and I decided that you have to read the outro we wrote for you, so I've put it in the chat on the side. You haven't read it yet, go ahead and read it for the first time on air, Olivia, I just want to say, yeah, I'm in tune with you. Okay, we both watched Real Housewives and since we started doing this show. I don't know if you know, but we're cycling together. So when you missed your period, I knew you were pregnant. That's the best line yet. I've been hoping to avoid this for eight and twelve weeks now, but I've been hoping to avoid that comment more than this. So yeah, I think everyone was ah, here goes nothing. I've learned from the best here so clear. I wanted to point I Peter Andrew third Musketeer, the guy who accidentally ended up as a regular on the show without negotiating it on my contract. First, I'm on the stage with the honest Poppets who's as funny as he is handsome, and Olivia Becker, who has never looked more radiant than she has the last one month with child. In fact, she seems better too. Thank you guys for allowing me, in my sketchy audio to join you every week. Then lost and isn't the betting expert he loves to claim, you gotta you gotta take a break that was Olivia's and you're you're welcome that we let you on this show for me and read read it like you mean it, yellow Greek fuck. You're finally lost and isn't the bett expected expert he he loves to claim himself as This week and although initially guest hermaphrodite, I gotta say my pick was the worst because O H D isn't making another girl to be to be compete or queendom in her household. I was wrong on this pick, like I'm usually with my predictions, and that is why I always mislead Olivia too. Yeah, listen, I am a kid that is about to get married and we'll have a kid. So, Olivia, I want you to know that I'm offering my kid to your sonic tribute to serve your son in any capacity. This is catching, catching jump shop ball brahm, or washing a dog strap, or if it's a girl stiring his illigit illegant kids on the road. Olivia, off my loins and offspring into your service, Sincerely, your humble kind of Greek is Italian New Jersey trash. I'm from Long Island. Save dang, Save dang. I don't know what to get apart from that, but for having my paper kid that is nowhere near on the way. This is part of the show. I really hope people have pulled over part, gotten out of their car, stopped walking the dog, aren't listening anymore. Yeah during the car they might crash the car, I think, Peter, I mean, the rules are the rules. You lost the bets, so whatever you do, have that kid, just get that kid ready, because Olivia's son is gonna need some jump shots to get caught and passed to him, also known as rebounding. Thanks so much everyone for listening to another crazy show of unleashed We've got you ready for the college football weekend, NFL Weekend. It's all good stuff. Make sure you join us again next week and follow us on all social media platforms at the MGM and we can't wait to see you next week. Byel

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