Editor and writer Gwenna Laithland explains how rushing her daughter to the emergency room plunged her into an investigation of the anti-vaccine stance she had never questioned. What she found shocked her.

We also discuss the current COVID-19 pandemic, whether we should trust medical authorities, and the poorly understood but critical reason why you should get the vaccine, if and when it's developed.

For fence-sitters especially, this episode is well worth your time.

Discover Medium publications edited by Gwenna: The Partnered Pen, Pop Off, and MuddyUm. Find more at mamacusses.com (warning: site includes language)

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