This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast helping you out of the gray and into the blue. Now here's Jay Glacier.

This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast helping you out of the gray and into the blue. Now here's Jay Glacier.

Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm Jay Glazer, and today, before I get to him, though, I have a really special trend. Close friend of mine used to be a training partner of mine and this guy is like reinvented himself over and over and over and over what the great ones do. Before I get to him, I just want to chime and the start here from our sponsor. If you're like many people, you may be surprised to learn that one in five adults in this country experienced mental illness last year. Get far too many failed to receive the support they need. Carolyn, behavioral health is doing something about it. They understand the behavioral health is a key part of whole health, delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs.

Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm Jay Glazer, and today, before I get to him, though, I have a really special trend. Close friend of mine used to be a training partner of mine and this guy is like reinvented himself over and over and over and over what the great ones do. Before I get to him, I just want to chime and the start here from our sponsor. If you're like many people, you may be surprised to learn that one in five adults in this country experienced mental illness last year. Get far too many failed to receive the support they need. Carolyn, behavioral health is doing something about it. They understand the behavioral health is a key part of whole health, delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs.

In tantem, CAROLM.

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Behavioral health raising the quality of life through empathy and action. Action is probably the best way I can describe my friend coming in here. It is the one and only the Miss ww Star, Hollywood Star Reality TV star like I could say that resent what's called from back in the day. But man, just an overall great dude. We used to train together in a breakable performance center. Man, he is one of my favorite dudes. And he's also the man who led the Cleveland Browns out of the tunnel for their first opening game win this year against the Cincinnati Bevegels.

Behavioral health raising the quality of life through empathy and action. Action is probably the best way I can describe my friend coming in here. It is the one and only the Miss ww Star, Hollywood Star Reality TV star like I could say that resent what's called from back in the day. But man, just an overall great dude. We used to train together in a breakable performance center. Man, he is one of my favorite dudes. And he's also the man who led the Cleveland Browns out of the tunnel for their first opening game win this year against the Cincinnati Bevegels.

And I'm thinking that's probably what you're most proud of these days, isn't it.

And I'm thinking that's probably what you're most proud of these days, isn't it.

I mean, let me tell you, by the way, what an introduction? Oh my gosh. I mean, it's like you've been doing this for years.

I mean, let me tell you, by the way, what an introduction? Oh my gosh. I mean, it's like you've been doing this for years.

I mean, maybe you can come to WW and just introduce me all day every day.

I mean, maybe you can come to WW and just introduce me all day every day.

Let's go. But yes, Like, let me tell you something.

Let's go. But yes, Like, let me tell you something.

When they called the Cleveland Browns call and say, hey, would you like to be the dog Pound Captain? And what you get to do as a dog Pound captain is you take a guitar. Obviously the Rockerball Hall of Fame is in Cleveland. You take a guitar with the opposing team on it, like there at logo like it was the the Cincinnati Bengals, it said whoda on it, and you slam it up against an amplifier and smoke comes out of it and you just break a guitar. It's like every kid's dream, and so I got to actually do that for the home opener, and what a game it was in the rain. Just the Browns like people are like, oh, same old Browns. This isn't the same old Browns. That defense is revamped, revitalized and took Joe Burrow out. And so it was a fun game to watch, fun game to be there in person. Whether it was raining or sunshine, I don't care to see the Browns and the way they conducted themselves during that game was unbelievable and.

When they called the Cleveland Browns call and say, hey, would you like to be the dog Pound Captain? And what you get to do as a dog Pound captain is you take a guitar. Obviously the Rockerball Hall of Fame is in Cleveland. You take a guitar with the opposing team on it, like there at logo like it was the the Cincinnati Bengals, it said whoda on it, and you slam it up against an amplifier and smoke comes out of it and you just break a guitar. It's like every kid's dream, and so I got to actually do that for the home opener, and what a game it was in the rain. Just the Browns like people are like, oh, same old Browns. This isn't the same old Browns. That defense is revamped, revitalized and took Joe Burrow out. And so it was a fun game to watch, fun game to be there in person. Whether it was raining or sunshine, I don't care to see the Browns and the way they conducted themselves during that game was unbelievable and.

Had dominated the Cincinnati Bengals. I love it.

Had dominated the Cincinnati Bengals. I love it.

What was a bit of rush for you?

What was a bit of rush for you?

Like you headline WrestleMania one, You're right, headline of WrestleMania.

Like you headline WrestleMania one, You're right, headline of WrestleMania.

Were this experience?

Were this experience?

Oh?

Oh?

Come on, I mean anytime you could headline WrestleMania, be the main event and you go up against John Cena and you're the WWE Champion and you walk in the ww Champion and you walk out the WWE Champion. And by the way, the Rock the biggest movie star in the world, was involved in that match. I mean, that's one of the most memorable moments I've ever had. Unfortunately, I actually don't actually remember it because I got a concussion at the end of the match, and so yeah, it was it was crazy, like my head hit the cement and I just I kind of like I have little like the one moment you always want to remember for the rest of your life is the one moment. I have bits and pieces that I remember, but I don't remember, if that makes any sense at all.

Come on, I mean anytime you could headline WrestleMania, be the main event and you go up against John Cena and you're the WWE Champion and you walk in the ww Champion and you walk out the WWE Champion. And by the way, the Rock the biggest movie star in the world, was involved in that match. I mean, that's one of the most memorable moments I've ever had. Unfortunately, I actually don't actually remember it because I got a concussion at the end of the match, and so yeah, it was it was crazy, like my head hit the cement and I just I kind of like I have little like the one moment you always want to remember for the rest of your life is the one moment. I have bits and pieces that I remember, but I don't remember, if that makes any sense at all.

Of course, Hey, you're talking to the guy who's been could cussed quite a bit. Absolutely, yeah, Harry Man. So so you could cuss. When do you kind of come to and realize what it's just happened? Later on?

Of course, Hey, you're talking to the guy who's been could cussed quite a bit. Absolutely, yeah, Harry Man. So so you could cuss. When do you kind of come to and realize what it's just happened? Later on?

No, yeah, so so later on that night, I would say, I remember going back into the gorilla position, as we call it, which is right when you go out whenever we go out into the audience under the ramp, we leave a place called the gorilla position where all the people are telling you, you know, your music goes, and that's where the entrance to the ramp is and that's where you.

No, yeah, so so later on that night, I would say, I remember going back into the gorilla position, as we call it, which is right when you go out whenever we go out into the audience under the ramp, we leave a place called the gorilla position where all the people are telling you, you know, your music goes, and that's where the entrance to the ramp is and that's where you.

Go back into.

Go back into.

So once I hit the gorilla position, I remember being in there and I think I was like apologizing profusely like I messed everything up because that was concussed I I don't remember anything, so I imagined I messed the whole main event of WrestleMania. Luckily I didn't, and it came off like perfectly, and not many people knew exactly what was going on except for the professionals that were in there. I was very fortunate to have someone like the Rock and John Cena and even Mike Yoda who was the referee in there to kind of guide me safely throughout the whole the whole time we were in there.

So once I hit the gorilla position, I remember being in there and I think I was like apologizing profusely like I messed everything up because that was concussed I I don't remember anything, so I imagined I messed the whole main event of WrestleMania. Luckily I didn't, and it came off like perfectly, and not many people knew exactly what was going on except for the professionals that were in there. I was very fortunate to have someone like the Rock and John Cena and even Mike Yoda who was the referee in there to kind of guide me safely throughout the whole the whole time we were in there.

They know that you're not they like helped you through.

They know that you're not they like helped you through.

Yeah, So basically everyone was guided safely throughout this entire thing and made sure that I was able to do what I needed to do without the audience knowing because we're live. This is the main event, right, you know, And yeah, you're at the.

Yeah, So basically everyone was guided safely throughout this entire thing and made sure that I was able to do what I needed to do without the audience knowing because we're live. This is the main event, right, you know, And yeah, you're at the.

Super Bowl and you got to you don't want to leave.

Super Bowl and you got to you don't want to leave.

And by the way, I don't have fifty two other or fifty two people to rely on.

And by the way, I don't have fifty two other or fifty two people to rely on.

It's just me and the people that are in that ring.

It's just me and the people that are in that ring.

So it's me, Sina Rock and Mike Kyota are the only people that we can rely on, and obviously the trainers and everyone and the doctors are all there and everyone's making sure that I can get through that match and go through what I need to do. But by the way, it was at the end of the match, so luckily it was kind of all over.

So it's me, Sina Rock and Mike Kyota are the only people that we can rely on, and obviously the trainers and everyone and the doctors are all there and everyone's making sure that I can get through that match and go through what I need to do. But by the way, it was at the end of the match, so luckily it was kind of all over.

But I just remember going to the girl position.

But I just remember going to the girl position.

I remember being back there being like, wow, I think I messed up everything. And then I remember going back to the trainer, everyone getting me okay.

I remember being back there being like, wow, I think I messed up everything. And then I remember going back to the trainer, everyone getting me okay.

I remember going back talking.

I remember going back talking.

With my wife Maurice and just being like and she's just like, you did great, you did great. But I was like, not necessarily depressed, but it was like a god. I remember the next day everything was just foggy, and I was like, wow, like everything's just kind of foggy. And but now, like I look at look back on it, and I watched that match. It's hard to watch, but it's like it went off without a hitch diat.

With my wife Maurice and just being like and she's just like, you did great, you did great. But I was like, not necessarily depressed, but it was like a god. I remember the next day everything was just foggy, and I was like, wow, like everything's just kind of foggy. And but now, like I look at look back on it, and I watched that match. It's hard to watch, but it's like it went off without a hitch diat.

What's that?

What's that?

Why is it hard to watch?

Why is it hard to watch?

I don't know, you don't I don't like seeing my self concussed to you.

I don't know, you don't I don't like seeing my self concussed to you.

Oh you you say in the end, okay at that.

Oh you you say in the end, okay at that.

Part, Okay, Yeah, maybe I'm.

Part, Okay, Yeah, maybe I'm.

Seeing myself locked out quite a bit.

Seeing myself locked out quite a bit.

Yeah, when you originally got into to wrestle, right, what's more taxing on you?

Yeah, when you originally got into to wrestle, right, what's more taxing on you?

The developmental league for the big leagues.

The developmental league for the big leagues.

You know, it's so it's it's kind of interesting.

You know, it's so it's it's kind of interesting.

So I started in California a place called in El Segondo called UPW Ultimate Pro Wrestling, and I paid like twenty five hundred dollars to learn the art of professional wrestling, and they taught me how how to do for the arts, you know, what I have to do in the ring to succeed. Finally, I got on a show called Tough Enough, which was a reality show where you could win a contract to WW. I didn't win, I got second place, but I impressed the execs so much that they gave me a contract to our developmental system, which was brand new at the time called Deep South Wrestling. So I went to McDonough, Georgia, moved from LA, packed up all my stuff, moved to McDonagh, Georgia, and started training under Bill DeMott. And I swear to you every day I would go, one more day, you can do it, one more day, you can do it, like because your body is aching and there it's almost it almost felt like they're trying to break you because they're preparing you for what you have to get ready for to get into Monday night Raw, Friday night SmackDown.

So I started in California a place called in El Segondo called UPW Ultimate Pro Wrestling, and I paid like twenty five hundred dollars to learn the art of professional wrestling, and they taught me how how to do for the arts, you know, what I have to do in the ring to succeed. Finally, I got on a show called Tough Enough, which was a reality show where you could win a contract to WW. I didn't win, I got second place, but I impressed the execs so much that they gave me a contract to our developmental system, which was brand new at the time called Deep South Wrestling. So I went to McDonough, Georgia, moved from LA, packed up all my stuff, moved to McDonagh, Georgia, and started training under Bill DeMott. And I swear to you every day I would go, one more day, you can do it, one more day, you can do it, like because your body is aching and there it's almost it almost felt like they're trying to break you because they're preparing you for what you have to get ready for to get into Monday night Raw, Friday night SmackDown.

Is this guy in love with the business does he?

Is this guy in love with the business does he?

Is he here for the right reasons or is he just here to be famous or money? And I'm a guy off a reality show, so everyone expected me to just be like, I'm here to be famous.

Is he here for the right reasons or is he just here to be famous or money? And I'm a guy off a reality show, so everyone expected me to just be like, I'm here to be famous.

I don't love this business, but.

I don't love this business, but.

I did truly genuinely love the art of professional wrestling. I've loved it since I was a child. I loved the ultimate warrior, you know, PAULK. Hogan, Macho Man, Randy Savage, like these were all my heroes, my idols growing up, and so to be able to do what they were doing, I wanted to put it full force. So going to McDonough it was tough training, like very very tough. I remember sweating, breathing heavy every day, thinking, man, should I just quit? Should I just give up? I mean, can my body take it? Can my mind take it? Mentally and physically?

I did truly genuinely love the art of professional wrestling. I've loved it since I was a child. I loved the ultimate warrior, you know, PAULK. Hogan, Macho Man, Randy Savage, like these were all my heroes, my idols growing up, and so to be able to do what they were doing, I wanted to put it full force. So going to McDonough it was tough training, like very very tough. I remember sweating, breathing heavy every day, thinking, man, should I just quit? Should I just give up? I mean, can my body take it? Can my mind take it? Mentally and physically?

Can I do this? I don't know if I can.

Can I do this? I don't know if I can.

And every day going one more day, you can do it, one more day, you can do it, one more day, you can do it. And so finally I was six months there, I became the first ever Deep South Heavyweight champion, and once I was there, one of the sayings that they would say was if you can sell out in I guess you could say the developmental system, because we'd have shows every Thursday. We would have a show, and if you could sell out this show, which is like two three hundred people, then you go to the next territory. And that's the old school way. There was territories everywhere, and superstars would go from territory to territory to sell out everywhere. If you could sell out everywhere, then you're a bona fide worldwide superstar. So when I was World Heavyweight Champion or Deep South Evyweight Champion, we were selling out every show.

And every day going one more day, you can do it, one more day, you can do it, one more day, you can do it. And so finally I was six months there, I became the first ever Deep South Heavyweight champion, and once I was there, one of the sayings that they would say was if you can sell out in I guess you could say the developmental system, because we'd have shows every Thursday. We would have a show, and if you could sell out this show, which is like two three hundred people, then you go to the next territory. And that's the old school way. There was territories everywhere, and superstars would go from territory to territory to sell out everywhere. If you could sell out everywhere, then you're a bona fide worldwide superstar. So when I was World Heavyweight Champion or Deep South Evyweight Champion, we were selling out every show.

So then they moved me.

So then they moved me.

To Ohio Valley Wrestling in Louisville because I was there for six months in Deep South, moved.

To Ohio Valley Wrestling in Louisville because I was there for six months in Deep South, moved.

Me to Louisville, and so we went.

Me to Louisville, and so we went.

To Louisville, and it was tough because I was a good guy at Deep South Wrestling.

To Louisville, and it was tough because I was a good guy at Deep South Wrestling.

I was a good guy and by the way, that's all I knew.

I was a good guy and by the way, that's all I knew.

So when I went to Ohio Valley Wrestling, they hated me because I was this guy from real world and it was a little bit. It was a different territory, different audience, different people. So now I had to learn how to utilize this audience like I did down at Deep South. Because Deep South it was like, oh, it just came to me. Now I actually had to really work and try to figure out this audience. That's where Paul Hayman came up to me and he goes, you know why this isn't working? And I was like, nah, yeah, yeah, and he goes, You're not a good guy, and I go what do you mean. He goes, you're a heel, which is a bad guy as a term for bad guy in our world, and I.

So when I went to Ohio Valley Wrestling, they hated me because I was this guy from real world and it was a little bit. It was a different territory, different audience, different people. So now I had to learn how to utilize this audience like I did down at Deep South. Because Deep South it was like, oh, it just came to me. Now I actually had to really work and try to figure out this audience. That's where Paul Hayman came up to me and he goes, you know why this isn't working? And I was like, nah, yeah, yeah, and he goes, You're not a good guy, and I go what do you mean. He goes, you're a heel, which is a bad guy as a term for bad guy in our world, and I.

Was like, I don't know. He goes, watch.

Was like, I don't know. He goes, watch.

So Paul and I sat down and we came up with a promo and I went out there and I don't think I've been a good guy for the last twenty years in WWE because of that moment, that one moment where Paul was like, you're not.

So Paul and I sat down and we came up with a promo and I went out there and I don't think I've been a good guy for the last twenty years in WWE because of that moment, that one moment where Paul was like, you're not.

A good guy, You're a bad guy.

A good guy, You're a bad guy.

And from there I went six months in Ohio Valley Wrestling.

And from there I went six months in Ohio Valley Wrestling.

We were selling out every night and they brought.

We were selling out every night and they brought.

Me up to smack down as like the host, and I didn't want to be a host.

Me up to smack down as like the host, and I didn't want to be a host.

I want to be like you know, I want.

I want to be like you know, I want.

To be a guy that puts asses in seats, you know, I want to be the guy that people.

To be a guy that puts asses in seats, you know, I want to be the guy that people.

Paid tickets for. And a host.

Paid tickets for. And a host.

Being the next Ryan Seacrests is not going to do it in ww A credit Ryan Seacrests very talented person, no doubt.

Being the next Ryan Seacrests is not going to do it in ww A credit Ryan Seacrests very talented person, no doubt.

In my mind.

In my mind.

But I want to be like the biggest star in WWE, not a host. But I figured if they can give me a microphone, no problem. I can set myself up and make sure that they want to punch me or beat me up or do whatever to where they have to get me in the ring. And that's exactly kind of what happened. So you asked, like a long story short, what's harder developmental or being in WWE. It's all tough if you want to be a superstar in any sport, in anything that you are doing. The developmental is very difficult because you're trying to learn the process and your brain is absorbing something brand new.

But I want to be like the biggest star in WWE, not a host. But I figured if they can give me a microphone, no problem. I can set myself up and make sure that they want to punch me or beat me up or do whatever to where they have to get me in the ring. And that's exactly kind of what happened. So you asked, like a long story short, what's harder developmental or being in WWE. It's all tough if you want to be a superstar in any sport, in anything that you are doing. The developmental is very difficult because you're trying to learn the process and your brain is absorbing something brand new.

But once you're there and you know what you're doing, you're still learning. And I'm still even twenty years to this day, I'm still a sponge. I'm still absorbing everything I learned from so many people. When you introduced me to Sean.

But once you're there and you know what you're doing, you're still learning. And I'm still even twenty years to this day, I'm still a sponge. I'm still absorbing everything I learned from so many people. When you introduced me to Sean.

McVay, and it was before he won the Super Bowl, before when he first got a coach, you had him working out with me and I was like, wow, this guy is so young and he's the head coach of the Los Angeles Rams.

McVay, and it was before he won the Super Bowl, before when he first got a coach, you had him working out with me and I was like, wow, this guy is so young and he's the head coach of the Los Angeles Rams.

I mean, this is crazy.

I mean, this is crazy.

And then once I worked out with him, I was like, wow, I will run through a wall with this guy like this is this There's there's something special about him. And so from that day I was learning. I took something from that day and then sitting down with dinners that you've that you've brought me to with him, talking to him, having conversation with it, with him, his motivation, his dedication. You could see the star power of why he is a head coach and a successful head coach on who he is because when you work at it, when you work at your job, when you work at your profession, and you keep working no matter what, and you're always learning, always progressing and learning from everybody.

And then once I worked out with him, I was like, wow, I will run through a wall with this guy like this is this There's there's something special about him. And so from that day I was learning. I took something from that day and then sitting down with dinners that you've that you've brought me to with him, talking to him, having conversation with it, with him, his motivation, his dedication. You could see the star power of why he is a head coach and a successful head coach on who he is because when you work at it, when you work at your job, when you work at your profession, and you keep working no matter what, and you're always learning, always progressing and learning from everybody.

It's a tough question. It's the hardest. There's no hardest. It's all hard if you want to be successful.

It's a tough question. It's the hardest. There's no hardest. It's all hard if you want to be successful.

I got two.

I got two.

Questions off of that before we do that we gotta talk about the just real sign on here, the coincidence of coincidences. I hope these two guys up to go work out on breakables great place because everybody trains together. I had John Lynch training with Sliced alone. I have the you know, Rock is coming in there, going with this person.

Questions off of that before we do that we gotta talk about the just real sign on here, the coincidence of coincidences. I hope these two guys up to go work out on breakables great place because everybody trains together. I had John Lynch training with Sliced alone. I have the you know, Rock is coming in there, going with this person.

I meet you. You come to one of my parties, right and I meet you for the first time.

I meet you. You come to one of my parties, right and I meet you for the first time.

You're like, come to my gym. You're gonna love it. I'm like, ah, yeah, whatever. So I call you. I go, hey, do you mind if I stop by? Yeah, sure, no problem. I walk in. Sofessor Solon is sitting there just doing shrugs, and I'm like, what is this place?

You're like, come to my gym. You're gonna love it. I'm like, ah, yeah, whatever. So I call you. I go, hey, do you mind if I stop by? Yeah, sure, no problem. I walk in. Sofessor Solon is sitting there just doing shrugs, and I'm like, what is this place?

This is absolutely nuts.

This is absolutely nuts.

Like every celebrity you could possibly think of is like there, or athlete like Terrell Owens is there, like on the running machine like slides over here doing shrugs.

Like every celebrity you could possibly think of is like there, or athlete like Terrell Owens is there, like on the running machine like slides over here doing shrugs.

You know you have you have Levano's kicking.

You know you have you have Levano's kicking.

I'm like, what is this place? Like all all different walks of life. It's not just sports, it's not music, it's not just it's everything. And I was like, this is the greatest gym I've ever seen in my entire life.

I'm like, what is this place? Like all all different walks of life. It's not just sports, it's not music, it's not just it's everything. And I was like, this is the greatest gym I've ever seen in my entire life.

Because everyone was by the way, no one was a superstar there.

Because everyone was by the way, no one was a superstar there.

Everyone was like it's almost like a family, and everyone like kind of gelled together. And what the thing I loved most about Unbreakable that what you did was the merging vets and players. You would have all these veterans come in on like a certain day. I think it was like a Wednesday, and I'll never forget I'll never forget Wit coming in And it was the first time I ever met Wit Whitworth and uh, he had always like he was he was talking to these these these kids and all these people that were there were vets, like there were kids, there were older people, and everyone was just talking about their story and what they're dealing with.

Everyone was like it's almost like a family, and everyone like kind of gelled together. And what the thing I loved most about Unbreakable that what you did was the merging vets and players. You would have all these veterans come in on like a certain day. I think it was like a Wednesday, and I'll never forget I'll never forget Wit coming in And it was the first time I ever met Wit Whitworth and uh, he had always like he was he was talking to these these these kids and all these people that were there were vets, like there were kids, there were older people, and everyone was just talking about their story and what they're dealing with.

And Wit was so honest and so.

And Wit was so honest and so.

So involved, and it was just it was a very cool, just thing that that that I got to experience and be there with and hear their stories and make me appreciate our vets even more than I already did.

So involved, and it was just it was a very cool, just thing that that that I got to experience and be there with and hear their stories and make me appreciate our vets even more than I already did.

And I've been Diraq, I've been.

And I've been Diraq, I've been.

I've done shows, I've done tours with us, so but to be in there in that gym and work out with the veterans and you give them a place to.

I've done shows, I've done tours with us, so but to be in there in that gym and work out with the veterans and you give them a place to.

Kind of open up and and kind of.

Kind of open up and and kind of.

Tell their story and look at the support system that they had.

Tell their story and look at the support system that they had.

It was unbelievable.

It was unbelievable.

I appreciate that, bro. Yeah, and it looks it's not a gym, it's a mental health place.

I appreciate that, bro. Yeah, and it looks it's not a gym, it's a mental health place.

Right.

Right.

We're a community and we're.

We're a community and we're.

A family, and especially it's a scarier world. But the thing that I set him up with Chris jul And who's a linebacker coach with the Rounds right now and Sean McVay. Right, you guys start talking and you're like, hey, whre'd you go to school?

A family, and especially it's a scarier world. But the thing that I set him up with Chris jul And who's a linebacker coach with the Rounds right now and Sean McVay. Right, you guys start talking and you're like, hey, whre'd you go to school?

Oh?

Oh?

I went to Miamia Maha, right, and then I went to Miamibleau. Where'd you go? You guys know you lived in the same building.

I went to Miamia Maha, right, and then I went to Miamibleau. Where'd you go? You guys know you lived in the same building.

Right, I know we lived in We lived in Sim's dorm. And then not only that, Like I was like, do you ever go to attractions?

Right, I know we lived in We lived in Sim's dorm. And then not only that, Like I was like, do you ever go to attractions?

Did you ever go to First Run?

Did you ever go to First Run?

And we were like stadium and we're like talking, Like I was like, what is this?

And we were like stadium and we're like talking, Like I was like, what is this?

This is crazy?

This is crazy?

See if people I don't know that Missus Shavin went to the same school, live in the same dorm.

See if people I don't know that Missus Shavin went to the same school, live in the same dorm.

People have no idea my lie.

People have no idea my lie.

Of Ohio, baby, my Moe of Ohio.

Of Ohio, baby, my Moe of Ohio.

So how much were you getting paid? In the Developmental League for a week.

So how much were you getting paid? In the Developmental League for a week.

Oh gosh. Ever then, yeah, back then, not much. I mean you were getting paid. So I think, honestly, I think from the real world.

Oh gosh. Ever then, yeah, back then, not much. I mean you were getting paid. So I think, honestly, I think from the real world.

So when I was on the Real World, and obviously before I was in WWE, I was on a show called The Real World, very popular show on MTV. I did all the challenges, So I was winning these challenges. So I was making quite a bit of money back then, like I would make if you'd win a challenge, you'd make like fifty grand. And then I would go do college tours where I would get paid like anywhere from fifteen hundred to three thousand dollars to do motivational speeches. Now I didn't graduate from mine in Ohio, but Real World is so much like college that colleges would pay me to come motivate their students.

So when I was on the Real World, and obviously before I was in WWE, I was on a show called The Real World, very popular show on MTV. I did all the challenges, So I was winning these challenges. So I was making quite a bit of money back then, like I would make if you'd win a challenge, you'd make like fifty grand. And then I would go do college tours where I would get paid like anywhere from fifteen hundred to three thousand dollars to do motivational speeches. Now I didn't graduate from mine in Ohio, but Real World is so much like college that colleges would pay me to come motivate their students.

And I looked at it as a way to cut promos.

And I looked at it as a way to cut promos.

You know, learn how to cut promos, how do you you know, hone my craft in a different way to get an audience. And thousands of people would come and you know, watch these speeches that I would do from the schools. I went to every college you can think of. It was crazy. And then I'd also do like I get paid to go do host parties.

You know, learn how to cut promos, how do you you know, hone my craft in a different way to get an audience. And thousands of people would come and you know, watch these speeches that I would do from the schools. I went to every college you can think of. It was crazy. And then I'd also do like I get paid to go do host parties.

So I was getting paid a lot.

So I was getting paid a lot.

But then also I created a merchandise line where I had T shirts because I saw that WWE, you know, their superstars had T shirts, and I figured, well, if they have T shirts, I'm going to make my own T shirts and show that I can sell T shirts. So I would wear these T shirts on the challenges and then I would sell them. So if anyone ever got a b MIS T shirt that was off my website, then they were getting it from me.

But then also I created a merchandise line where I had T shirts because I saw that WWE, you know, their superstars had T shirts, and I figured, well, if they have T shirts, I'm going to make my own T shirts and show that I can sell T shirts. So I would wear these T shirts on the challenges and then I would sell them. So if anyone ever got a b MIS T shirt that was off my website, then they were getting it from me.

Like I was stuffing these T shirts in and posting.

Like I was stuffing these T shirts in and posting.

Them and taking them all to the to the post office every single week.

Them and taking them all to the to the post office every single week.

It was. It was crazy. So I was making a lot of money. I was making six figures.

It was. It was crazy. So I was making a lot of money. I was making six figures.

When I got in developmental, I was I took a pay cut because I wanted to. I said, I can take a pay cut in this because I am. I believe that I can make more, and so I invested in myself. I've always invested in myself. Some people were like, you know, oh, when I want to challenge my first challenge, I moved to LA I paid for acting classes inprov classes and learning the art of profession wrestling u PW wrestling classes.

When I got in developmental, I was I took a pay cut because I wanted to. I said, I can take a pay cut in this because I am. I believe that I can make more, and so I invested in myself. I've always invested in myself. Some people were like, you know, oh, when I want to challenge my first challenge, I moved to LA I paid for acting classes inprov classes and learning the art of profession wrestling u PW wrestling classes.

So and then I also was like, all.

So and then I also was like, all.

Right, we're do all like the big world trainers Golds Gym. So I was in Santa Monica at the time. This was before Unbreakable, by the way, And so I was in Santa Monica.

Right, we're do all like the big world trainers Golds Gym. So I was in Santa Monica at the time. This was before Unbreakable, by the way, And so I was in Santa Monica.

Where do you go the mecca?

Where do you go the mecca?

You go to golds Gym, right, and so worked out there, got a nutritionist. So I invested all my money that I would make into myself. I bought all these T shirts ahead of time and got them like three dollars a T shirt and sold them for like fifteen bucks a T shirt, and so I would make money off of them. But it wasn't necessarily to make money. It was necessary to promote myself and get people talking about me and get to people talking about that. So ww'd see that WVI did see that. They gave me a contract. I took a pay cut, went to mcdonne a Georgia. Then I went to Louisville, and then from Louisville, I got like into WWE and started making the money that I thought I could possibly make.

You go to golds Gym, right, and so worked out there, got a nutritionist. So I invested all my money that I would make into myself. I bought all these T shirts ahead of time and got them like three dollars a T shirt and sold them for like fifteen bucks a T shirt, and so I would make money off of them. But it wasn't necessarily to make money. It was necessary to promote myself and get people talking about me and get to people talking about that. So ww'd see that WVI did see that. They gave me a contract. I took a pay cut, went to mcdonne a Georgia. Then I went to Louisville, and then from Louisville, I got like into WWE and started making the money that I thought I could possibly make.

And I want people to hear the aults because the secret to success is outwork in the world and being miserable and broke and getting turned down and rejected for years and years.

And I want people to hear the aults because the secret to success is outwork in the world and being miserable and broke and getting turned down and rejected for years and years.

My first Super Bowl I covered nineteen ninety five.

My first Super Bowl I covered nineteen ninety five.

The New York Post said, if you can get yourself down there, we'll pay you two hundred and fifty dollars.

The New York Post said, if you can get yourself down there, we'll pay you two hundred and fifty dollars.

But I to write eight stories for two hundred fifty bucks.

But I to write eight stories for two hundred fifty bucks.

And the New York One TV said, if you get yourself down there, we'll give you one hundred and fifty dollars for three hits from four hundred and fifty bucks total. So I got myself down there, but I don't remember how I get myself because I was making.

And the New York One TV said, if you get yourself down there, we'll give you one hundred and fifty dollars for three hits from four hundred and fifty bucks total. So I got myself down there, but I don't remember how I get myself because I was making.

Nine grand a year during that time.

Nine grand a year during that time.

I was.

I was.

So I can tell you how you got down there, and I don't even know the story.

So I can tell you how you got down there, and I don't even know the story.

I know you, Jay, So I got down the Emperor.

I know you, Jay, So I got down the Emperor.

You're you're a people person, and you're just a likable human being.

You're you're a people person, and you're just a likable human being.

I appreciate, and I remember I got the plate.

I appreciate, and I remember I got the plate.

You have an amazing ability to bring people together and to unite people, and I've never seen anyone do it as well as you. So when you say I don't know, oh I got down there, I knew he tech. Now you got down there, you met one guy this guy was like, oh, let me introduce you to my buddy here.

You have an amazing ability to bring people together and to unite people, and I've never seen anyone do it as well as you. So when you say I don't know, oh I got down there, I knew he tech. Now you got down there, you met one guy this guy was like, oh, let me introduce you to my buddy here.

Oh okay, I jay, I am saying, And all of a sudden, there you.

Oh okay, I jay, I am saying, And all of a sudden, there you.

Are on the floor or on the field, and and how did I get there?

Are on the floor or on the field, and and how did I get there?

Because you're just a people person and that's what.

Because you're just a people person and that's what.

You got to do, right. But that's but my point is it's the grind, Like you got to put that grind in. I had to put that grind.

You got to do, right. But that's but my point is it's the grind, Like you got to put that grind in. I had to put that grind.

People nowadays they're like, oh my gosh, they're so in the time because it doesn't happen for them.

People nowadays they're like, oh my gosh, they're so in the time because it doesn't happen for them.

Overnight. Shit does not happen overnight.

Overnight. Shit does not happen overnight.

Min was eleven years worth, making nine thousand, fours and fifty bucks a fucking year until I finally got a job for fifty grand for CBS.

Min was eleven years worth, making nine thousand, fours and fifty bucks a fucking year until I finally got a job for fifty grand for CBS.

That was bleep.

That was bleep.

But this again, I invested in myself. You invested in yourself by deciding to outwork the world. The other question I have for you as you realize that you're laying a success is to be the heel. Okay, that is such a rare trait. So I'm a sensitive Now.

But this again, I invested in myself. You invested in yourself by deciding to outwork the world. The other question I have for you as you realize that you're laying a success is to be the heel. Okay, that is such a rare trait. So I'm a sensitive Now.

Do you have a face like this? I have a very coachable face.

Do you have a face like this? I have a very coachable face.

Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm sensitive. Shit like I broke, you know, Look, I break the story. You know, I remember that one year up broke. You know, Jive's gonna trade O'Dell Beckham and I got murdered, and so did every one of the followers. An unbreakable people just destroying, like holy shit ball and I can't I've sent him. I can't take you like that. How are you able to like departmentalize and take the hate that you're making sure you get.

Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm sensitive. Shit like I broke, you know, Look, I break the story. You know, I remember that one year up broke. You know, Jive's gonna trade O'Dell Beckham and I got murdered, and so did every one of the followers. An unbreakable people just destroying, like holy shit ball and I can't I've sent him. I can't take you like that. How are you able to like departmentalize and take the hate that you're making sure you get.

There's a lot of people in you know, even in WW right now that do not like getting hated on, do not like getting booed.

There's a lot of people in you know, even in WW right now that do not like getting hated on, do not like getting booed.

They love the cheers. They live for the cheers. I guess I'm different that way.

They love the cheers. They live for the cheers. I guess I'm different that way.

I've always been a button pusher, and so if I see a button, I'm gonna push it.

I've always been a button pusher, and so if I see a button, I'm gonna push it.

And I enjoy the boot and I love the most thank you, thank you. Yeah. Maybe I'm just I don't know.

And I enjoy the boot and I love the most thank you, thank you. Yeah. Maybe I'm just I don't know.

Maybe I'm just confident with myself and my ability and know that I am truly genuinely always doing right. I feel like, but my character in WWE is a bad guy, egotistical, arrogant. But there's a reason that he and I always think about like mentally, all right, what's going on? In the miss's brain, like the mis character in WW, why is he acting the way he's acting? And the main reason I always come up with is I never got the respect I feel like I've ever deserved. And when I walk out there and people are booing me, you shouldn't be booing me, you should be booing the guy, like, why are you booing me? When the guy across the ring from me, my opponent, the person I'm going up against, has done X, Y and Z, And whenever I do X, Y and Z the same thing, you boo me, but you cheer him. So this person can can do something the same thing I do, and you cheer him, and then I get booed. So that's all the mentality in there. And I never take anything I guess too seriously and it just doesn't bother me. I'll go on X and I'll look at all the comments, just the hatred or the misstucks. I can't stand him. He's nothing. It motivates me, it feels my fire. Oh my god, you're there.

Maybe I'm just confident with myself and my ability and know that I am truly genuinely always doing right. I feel like, but my character in WWE is a bad guy, egotistical, arrogant. But there's a reason that he and I always think about like mentally, all right, what's going on? In the miss's brain, like the mis character in WW, why is he acting the way he's acting? And the main reason I always come up with is I never got the respect I feel like I've ever deserved. And when I walk out there and people are booing me, you shouldn't be booing me, you should be booing the guy, like, why are you booing me? When the guy across the ring from me, my opponent, the person I'm going up against, has done X, Y and Z, And whenever I do X, Y and Z the same thing, you boo me, but you cheer him. So this person can can do something the same thing I do, and you cheer him, and then I get booed. So that's all the mentality in there. And I never take anything I guess too seriously and it just doesn't bother me. I'll go on X and I'll look at all the comments, just the hatred or the misstucks. I can't stand him. He's nothing. It motivates me, it feels my fire. Oh my god, you're there.

I heard somebody do my own social media. I can't do it. I can't look at them nothing. I can't do it. Really, yeah, Oh absolutely say.

I heard somebody do my own social media. I can't do it. I can't look at them nothing. I can't do it. Really, yeah, Oh absolutely say.

I love the blaw I love the blogs, I love the tweets or the axes, whatever you want to call them. Now, like I enjoy reading all about the hatred and disdain. And then whenever I find something that has really poked the bear, I'll poke it even more and I'll find more ammo for it in order ammunition, so they'll boo me even more.

I love the blaw I love the blogs, I love the tweets or the axes, whatever you want to call them. Now, like I enjoy reading all about the hatred and disdain. And then whenever I find something that has really poked the bear, I'll poke it even more and I'll find more ammo for it in order ammunition, so they'll boo me even more.

What about in public?

What about in public?

In public?

In public?

Honestly, people don't hate me in public. When I went to say, when I went to the Browns game as the dog Pound captain, everyone.

Honestly, people don't hate me in public. When I went to say, when I went to the Browns game as the dog Pound captain, everyone.

Was like, moos, moos, moos.

Was like, moos, moos, moos.

I love you, I love you on Dancing with the Stars, I love you on miss and missus. Oh my god, blah blah blah, like oh, you're the worst. You're the worst in WWA. But it's so much fun to hate you, you know, it's like, oh, thank you. It's more implements than anything else.

I love you, I love you on Dancing with the Stars, I love you on miss and missus. Oh my god, blah blah blah, like oh, you're the worst. You're the worst in WWA. But it's so much fun to hate you, you know, it's like, oh, thank you. It's more implements than anything else.

Really, Yeah, I'm not Yeah, I remember an accent. I've never said that publicly, but I've broken the story.

Really, Yeah, I'm not Yeah, I remember an accent. I've never said that publicly, but I've broken the story.

When we're in Arizona, the Patriots are flying in to play the Seahawks, and again they didn'thit the Baltimore Sea on and I've reported that as Patriots trunk playing. I reported that they found who they accused of Tampa with the balls for the flay cake, and then they have the video of it, and they got these guys and you know all those videos and with the time they landed, well, man, we're down there and all these Patriots fans are hating me, and I'm.

When we're in Arizona, the Patriots are flying in to play the Seahawks, and again they didn'thit the Baltimore Sea on and I've reported that as Patriots trunk playing. I reported that they found who they accused of Tampa with the balls for the flay cake, and then they have the video of it, and they got these guys and you know all those videos and with the time they landed, well, man, we're down there and all these Patriots fans are hating me, and I'm.

Like, ah, no problem, just don't dude, don't touch me.

Like, ah, no problem, just don't dude, don't touch me.

And twice someone grabby and I end up snatching two Patriot fans in front of my bosses at Fox. I was just like, hey, hey, hey, you can't touch me. And then one celebrity came and jumped my shit over. Now I'm not gonna say his fucking name, but I was like, hey, you fucking play a tough guy on TV. Let's not get a roles mixed up here. But that's why I was like, And so these are football fans. They go a little nuts. So you've never had a wrestling fan take it too.

And twice someone grabby and I end up snatching two Patriot fans in front of my bosses at Fox. I was just like, hey, hey, hey, you can't touch me. And then one celebrity came and jumped my shit over. Now I'm not gonna say his fucking name, but I was like, hey, you fucking play a tough guy on TV. Let's not get a roles mixed up here. But that's why I was like, And so these are football fans. They go a little nuts. So you've never had a wrestling fan take it too.

Far with you? Not yet. No, I've never had that that happen. I've been very fortunate in that instance.

Far with you? Not yet. No, I've never had that that happen. I've been very fortunate in that instance.

And I think our fans, they're very dedicated and very loyal. I don't think our fans maybe they would do that, but so far, I haven't had the experience of doing that.

And I think our fans, they're very dedicated and very loyal. I don't think our fans maybe they would do that, but so far, I haven't had the experience of doing that.

Now.

Now.

Granted I have been in and you know overseas where someone threw a drink that I don't believe was a drink at me and so we got I've had things thrown at me in the ring, but I always take that as a compliment to be honest that I'm doing my job, that you're hating me as much. So, but I've never had anyone throw at me. But I also don't like hang out at the bars at two and two three o'clock in the morning waiting for someone to like kind of eg get on. If someone is, you know, all whoop, well whoop missus us blah blah blah blah blah, like I'll just be like, you know what, yes, you can, good job perfect.

Granted I have been in and you know overseas where someone threw a drink that I don't believe was a drink at me and so we got I've had things thrown at me in the ring, but I always take that as a compliment to be honest that I'm doing my job, that you're hating me as much. So, but I've never had anyone throw at me. But I also don't like hang out at the bars at two and two three o'clock in the morning waiting for someone to like kind of eg get on. If someone is, you know, all whoop, well whoop missus us blah blah blah blah blah, like I'll just be like, you know what, yes, you can, good job perfect.

Does that make you happy? If that makes you happy, then.

Does that make you happy? If that makes you happy, then.

I'll just walk away because I'd rather I'd rather walk away than then get a lawsuit from millions of dollars because I elbowed someone in a mash fit or something like that.

I'll just walk away because I'd rather I'd rather walk away than then get a lawsuit from millions of dollars because I elbowed someone in a mash fit or something like that.

I don't know what motivates you to constantly throughout your life reinvent yourself.

I don't know what motivates you to constantly throughout your life reinvent yourself.

What motivates me to keep reinventing myself. I guess the love of what I'm doing. I enjoy my job. People are always like, you know, you're you're forty three years old, you know, how are you How are you still going?

What motivates me to keep reinventing myself. I guess the love of what I'm doing. I enjoy my job. People are always like, you know, you're you're forty three years old, you know, how are you How are you still going?

And how are you still doing this? How are you still loving it? It's because when you love your job, it's not a job.

And how are you still doing this? How are you still loving it? It's because when you love your job, it's not a job.

And so I am always trying to always evolve and figure out new ways to entertain.

And so I am always trying to always evolve and figure out new ways to entertain.

And have fun.

And have fun.

It's like with WWE, it has such you know, it's not just WWE in the ring. I mean, we have shows now where it's like miss and Missus.

It's like with WWE, it has such you know, it's not just WWE in the ring. I mean, we have shows now where it's like miss and Missus.

Now.

Now.

I have a production company that we're developing shows. So my wife and I are developing shows for other people as well as ourselves. We have a couple of things on the horizon that I can't really discuss, but it's been great.

I have a production company that we're developing shows. So my wife and I are developing shows for other people as well as ourselves. We have a couple of things on the horizon that I can't really discuss, but it's been great.

You know.

You know.

We started Mad Road Productions a couple of years ago, and people have been you know, lining up to like work with us, and so that's kind of cool. Yeah, that's it's one of those things like I guess it's always been since I was a kid, you know, when I was you know, working at Mister Hero flipping Burgers, working for my dad Drop and fries. You know, you wanted to do something better. So I went to college, and once I got onto college, I saw that you could try out for the real road. Once I tried out for the real world, it changed my mindset that I could act do what I wanted to do and not do what go against the green. I guess you could say because once you once you go to high school, you get to college. After college, you go back to where you're from. You do your job, which is, you know, whatever it is that you set out to do in college. But real world changed my whole perspective on that and said, if you have dreams, you can pursue them. So once I got the dreams, I found the tools that I needed to pursue my dreams. There's different tools that you need to gather all so you can build the right career that you want.

We started Mad Road Productions a couple of years ago, and people have been you know, lining up to like work with us, and so that's kind of cool. Yeah, that's it's one of those things like I guess it's always been since I was a kid, you know, when I was you know, working at Mister Hero flipping Burgers, working for my dad Drop and fries. You know, you wanted to do something better. So I went to college, and once I got onto college, I saw that you could try out for the real road. Once I tried out for the real world, it changed my mindset that I could act do what I wanted to do and not do what go against the green. I guess you could say because once you once you go to high school, you get to college. After college, you go back to where you're from. You do your job, which is, you know, whatever it is that you set out to do in college. But real world changed my whole perspective on that and said, if you have dreams, you can pursue them. So once I got the dreams, I found the tools that I needed to pursue my dreams. There's different tools that you need to gather all so you can build the right career that you want.

And so that's exactly what I did. I worked my butt off.

And so that's exactly what I did. I worked my butt off.

I progressed and progressed until I made it to the WWE, utilizing real World to evolve into a WWE superstar. Then going to WWE and evolving my character from you know this reality star to the Hollywood A lister to oh now he's got his own reality show. Now he's a two time the only, like, the first ever two time Grand Slam champion the history of WWE. It's not The Rock, it's not Austin, it's not Hogan, it's not Sean Michaels, it's not John Cena. I'm the first ever two time Grand Slam champion in the history of WWE. And most people wouldn't know that, but it's the truth, and it's crazy to me. And so how do I keep evolving? All Right, You've done everything there is to do in WWE, No, I haven't. In my mind, I always want to be number one. I always want to be the WWE Champion. I always want to be the main event of Wrestlemanian. If I'm not there, I'm working my butt off to get there. And then how am I evolving from that? I'm evolving outside of WWE, doing the reality shows, doing the production company, doing the movies, doing the TV shows, acting all these.

I progressed and progressed until I made it to the WWE, utilizing real World to evolve into a WWE superstar. Then going to WWE and evolving my character from you know this reality star to the Hollywood A lister to oh now he's got his own reality show. Now he's a two time the only, like, the first ever two time Grand Slam champion the history of WWE. It's not The Rock, it's not Austin, it's not Hogan, it's not Sean Michaels, it's not John Cena. I'm the first ever two time Grand Slam champion in the history of WWE. And most people wouldn't know that, but it's the truth, and it's crazy to me. And so how do I keep evolving? All Right, You've done everything there is to do in WWE, No, I haven't. In my mind, I always want to be number one. I always want to be the WWE Champion. I always want to be the main event of Wrestlemanian. If I'm not there, I'm working my butt off to get there. And then how am I evolving from that? I'm evolving outside of WWE, doing the reality shows, doing the production company, doing the movies, doing the TV shows, acting all these.

Other things like I have.

Other things like I have.

I mean, honestly, I wrote I wrote a children's book that I was like, oh, I have two kids, I'm just going to write a book. And so every time I was on the airplane flying to wherever, I would just write this book, and so I wrote a book and now we're doing the illustrations and trying to find a publisher for it.

I mean, honestly, I wrote I wrote a children's book that I was like, oh, I have two kids, I'm just going to write a book. And so every time I was on the airplane flying to wherever, I would just write this book, and so I wrote a book and now we're doing the illustrations and trying to find a publisher for it.

So it's like my mind is always going.

So it's like my mind is always going.

My mind is always trying to remain fresh and trying to do exactly what I need to do to get to where I want to be.

My mind is always trying to remain fresh and trying to do exactly what I need to do to get to where I want to be.

And right now I'm very happy.

And right now I'm very happy.

That's incredible. So first of all, as far as you publish here, we'll talk off line here. I got people before it. And then when you're in the ring is what I love about. Like I was looking at you're in a ring, you go on these tangents. Right when I'm on TV, I.

That's incredible. So first of all, as far as you publish here, we'll talk off line here. I got people before it. And then when you're in the ring is what I love about. Like I was looking at you're in a ring, you go on these tangents. Right when I'm on TV, I.

Do minute and a half minute hits, minute and a half hits, right, I don't use teleprompter when I was hosted for like UFC, I have to use teleprompter for sponsors in but otherwise I'm Fox and novels that I don't have teleprompter and we don't really rehearse. But again we're just going in little sports, you're going for like three minutes, like you're.

Do minute and a half minute hits, minute and a half hits, right, I don't use teleprompter when I was hosted for like UFC, I have to use teleprompter for sponsors in but otherwise I'm Fox and novels that I don't have teleprompter and we don't really rehearse. But again we're just going in little sports, you're going for like three minutes, like you're.

Going long, long, long. Even when I'm doing doing ballers, I wasn't following my fucking scripts. I got the ADHD. I can't follow my scripts. What do you do when you go in? Are you have you scripted it out or do you just have bullet points you kind of know where you're going?

Going long, long, long. Even when I'm doing doing ballers, I wasn't following my fucking scripts. I got the ADHD. I can't follow my scripts. What do you do when you go in? Are you have you scripted it out or do you just have bullet points you kind of know where you're going?

How do you do it?

How do you do it?

Okay, so you say three minutes, I just had, like I don't know how long ago, but I just did a segment.

Okay, so you say three minutes, I just had, like I don't know how long ago, but I just did a segment.

Where I interviewed John Cena.

Where I interviewed John Cena.

And you know how John Cena says, you can't see you right, Well, John Cena wasn't there, but I interviewed John Cena because you can't see him, but I can because I've been able to see John Cena since I beat him at WrestleMania. So I interviewed nothing and no one for eight minutes and it was an It was an. I even had a match with Air. I had a match with Air with you can't see me John Cena, I had a match with him put a skull crush at finale. Like, how do I come up with these things?

And you know how John Cena says, you can't see you right, Well, John Cena wasn't there, but I interviewed John Cena because you can't see him, but I can because I've been able to see John Cena since I beat him at WrestleMania. So I interviewed nothing and no one for eight minutes and it was an It was an. I even had a match with Air. I had a match with Air with you can't see me John Cena, I had a match with him put a skull crush at finale. Like, how do I come up with these things?

Is beyond me? Obviously, it's a team in WWE.

Is beyond me? Obviously, it's a team in WWE.

You know, we have a lot of creative minds that make sure that our show goes on without a hitch, and to do something like that, to go out there and literally have an interview with no one and make it entertaining in front of and live. You only get one take. And so do I memorize? I memorize a certain portion of what I need to be memorized. But a lot of times, and where you're out there, things change. The audience isn't where they need to be. I need the audience to be here to react a certain way. If they're not reacting a certain way, I need to figure out how to get them to react that way to advance the story that I'm trying to portray and to advance my character.

You know, we have a lot of creative minds that make sure that our show goes on without a hitch, and to do something like that, to go out there and literally have an interview with no one and make it entertaining in front of and live. You only get one take. And so do I memorize? I memorize a certain portion of what I need to be memorized. But a lot of times, and where you're out there, things change. The audience isn't where they need to be. I need the audience to be here to react a certain way. If they're not reacting a certain way, I need to figure out how to get them to react that way to advance the story that I'm trying to portray and to advance my character.

So, yes, I have bullet points.

So, yes, I have bullet points.

Yes, I have a script in my mind of where I want to go and what I want to do and what I want to say, and I'll go over it and rehearse and rehearse, rehearse in my head, And a lot of times when I go out there, it changes because you don't know what the audience is going to do.

Yes, I have a script in my mind of where I want to go and what I want to do and what I want to say, and I'll go over it and rehearse and rehearse, rehearse in my head, And a lot of times when I go out there, it changes because you don't know what the audience is going to do.

What do you rehearse it for half hour before? Do you rehearse it for days? Do you rehearse it for no?

What do you rehearse it for half hour before? Do you rehearse it for days? Do you rehearse it for no?

No, no, half hour before? Right, it's not days?

No, no, half hour before? Right, it's not days?

Do you want to past somebody else's w W? What your script is going to be.

Do you want to past somebody else's w W? What your script is going to be.

Everything is run past like yeah, some of it, yes, But whenever you go out there and it's live and you have to change everything up, you can't go back and say, hey, I'm going to try this.

Everything is run past like yeah, some of it, yes, But whenever you go out there and it's live and you have to change everything up, you can't go back and say, hey, I'm going to try this.

You just kind of do it out there.

You just kind of do it out there.

But you got to work beforehand and come in and say, okay, yeah, here's where I want to go. It's not like you just showing up like you know, no yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean me and Brad Yeah, no, you can.

But you got to work beforehand and come in and say, okay, yeah, here's where I want to go. It's not like you just showing up like you know, no yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean me and Brad Yeah, no, you can.

We have we have storylines in place, we have larger than like characters. This is like you know, a soap opera if you will, you know, and so we have stories that we have to portray. So obviously, all right, what's the story we're trying to tell? And how do we get from A to B all the way to where we need to go, which is usually our pinnacle is a match?