This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast build you from the inside out.

This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast build you from the inside out.

Now Here's Jay Glacier.

Now Here's Jay Glacier.

Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm Jay Glazer, and I'm pumped about today's guests because he's gonna be working with me this week covering the NFL Draft. Good friend of mine, Joe Douglas, former general manager of the New York Jets, and you know, the Jets was one experience.

Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm Jay Glazer, and I'm pumped about today's guests because he's gonna be working with me this week covering the NFL Draft. Good friend of mine, Joe Douglas, former general manager of the New York Jets, and you know, the Jets was one experience.

Working with me on the draft. That might be your most challenging mission yet.

Working with me on the draft. That might be your most challenging mission yet.

I cannot wait. I am really looking forward to Thursday night.

I cannot wait. I am really looking forward to Thursday night.

It's going to be a good time talking ball, talking players, talking draft.

It's going to be a good time talking ball, talking players, talking draft.

Look and I love having you guys on because you guys give us an insight. It's so funny that I've had some good insight, Like I've sat in draft rooms, which by the way, are not ADHD Conducer. And you know, shoot, I sat in the Saints draft room. Oh man, what years it's maybe two thousand one or something like that. Two thousand when the rounds were what was the first round back in fifteen minutes? Right? Yeah, they went a while, they went a while, right, and you had three rounds of the first day, right, it was brutal, But I always look and I obviously a lot of you guys are have good insign info. I was find it funny when prognownst Sicarus, if you will come out in like February and tell people all this team has this kuy on the top of their birth that you guys don't set your boards until. I know every team is different, but your board's really not set till this week.

Look and I love having you guys on because you guys give us an insight. It's so funny that I've had some good insight, Like I've sat in draft rooms, which by the way, are not ADHD Conducer. And you know, shoot, I sat in the Saints draft room. Oh man, what years it's maybe two thousand one or something like that. Two thousand when the rounds were what was the first round back in fifteen minutes? Right? Yeah, they went a while, they went a while, right, and you had three rounds of the first day, right, it was brutal, But I always look and I obviously a lot of you guys are have good insign info. I was find it funny when prognownst Sicarus, if you will come out in like February and tell people all this team has this kuy on the top of their birth that you guys don't set your boards until. I know every team is different, but your board's really not set till this week.

Right, I mean it's not set until the day of the draft, sometimes a few hours for the draft. I mean you're constantly and we used to say the scouts all the time. Just because the meetings were over doesn't mean you know you're not still on job for this draft. We're constantly trying to acquire download as much information as humanly possible on every single player in your area, in your in your position group. So I mean, the the boards never set until until that night.

Right, I mean it's not set until the day of the draft, sometimes a few hours for the draft. I mean you're constantly and we used to say the scouts all the time. Just because the meetings were over doesn't mean you know you're not still on job for this draft. We're constantly trying to acquire download as much information as humanly possible on every single player in your area, in your in your position group. So I mean, the the boards never set until until that night.

So the night before you're saying with or before the drift.

So the night before you're saying with or before the drift.

Neither draft, you're literally you're going through all these different scenarios. I mean, the bulk of it's taking shape during that last round of meetings with the coaching staff and when the coaching staff brings in all their opinions, brings in all their the work that they've done.

Neither draft, you're literally you're going through all these different scenarios. I mean, the bulk of it's taking shape during that last round of meetings with the coaching staff and when the coaching staff brings in all their opinions, brings in all their the work that they've done.

You know that's starting to solidify.

You know that's starting to solidify.

But really, I mean that that pick in the first round exactly what's going through all the different scenarios you're working through. I mean you're working, You're working on that all the way up until like a few hours before the craft.

But really, I mean that that pick in the first round exactly what's going through all the different scenarios you're working through. I mean you're working, You're working on that all the way up until like a few hours before the craft.

I find it amazing. I'll never forget.

I find it amazing. I'll never forget.

The cowboys called me many many, many many years ago. They were set to pick Sean Merriman with the I'm gonna say it's the eighth pick or tenth pick. I forget what it was.

The cowboys called me many many, many many years ago. They were set to pick Sean Merriman with the I'm gonna say it's the eighth pick or tenth pick. I forget what it was.

Damn. All of a sudden they called me up, said, hey, we found out some stuff about Merriment news maryln can you find it? Can you find out?

Damn. All of a sudden they called me up, said, hey, we found out some stuff about Merriment news maryln can you find it? Can you find out?

Is the day before the draft, and I'd found out, and you know, they had found out also in the morning of the calling back said hey, comfortable with what we heard, we're going to.

Is the day before the draft, and I'd found out, and you know, they had found out also in the morning of the calling back said hey, comfortable with what we heard, we're going to.

Change what we're doing.

Change what we're doing.

I said, what do you mean if you're comfortable to said, we're comfortable, ish, we're gonna change.

I said, what do you mean if you're comfortable to said, we're comfortable, ish, we're gonna change.

So that is Sean Meherman like they thought they want him.

So that is Sean Meherman like they thought they want him.

Let's you know again, we're it really comes to play, you know, ship a couple of weeks before that morning of they changed from him to DeMarcus Worth the morning of, right, And people don't understand things like that happen on draft.

Let's you know again, we're it really comes to play, you know, ship a couple of weeks before that morning of they changed from him to DeMarcus Worth the morning of, right, And people don't understand things like that happen on draft.

Dack absolutely absolutely. I think you've seen a couple of cases of that happened. I mean I can remember back back my one draft with the Bears. You know, when, uh, some things happen that you're not expect expecting to happen.

Dack absolutely absolutely. I think you've seen a couple of cases of that happened. I mean I can remember back back my one draft with the Bears. You know, when, uh, some things happen that you're not expect expecting to happen.

There's videos that come out that you're not.

There's videos that come out that you're not.

Really expected to happen, in offensive tackle falls and si, yeah, the tunsil.

Really expected to happen, in offensive tackle falls and si, yeah, the tunsil.

Uh.

Uh.

And then I remember even when I was with the Ravens, you know, there's some crazy reports about like l Collins and like he he should have been a first or second round draft picks.

And then I remember even when I was with the Ravens, you know, there's some crazy reports about like l Collins and like he he should have been a first or second round draft picks.

So yeah, yeah, and so like you know, it's just you.

So yeah, yeah, and so like you know, it's just you.

Got to be ready for anything, you know, and like you think you've got all the answers, but a lot of times you don't.

Got to be ready for anything, you know, and like you think you've got all the answers, but a lot of times you don't.

I got a call a couple of years ago from these teams that are saying, hey man, we're pulling this guy off our board because he got pot for meth. And I said, read me what it was, and they read it and I'm like, it's not meth. What you teams don't understand is a lot of these generic forms of adderall have met in the title. I'm like, it's not meth.

I got a call a couple of years ago from these teams that are saying, hey man, we're pulling this guy off our board because he got pot for meth. And I said, read me what it was, and they read it and I'm like, it's not meth. What you teams don't understand is a lot of these generic forms of adderall have met in the title. I'm like, it's not meth.

This is adderall.

This is adderall.

Make sure you don't spread that around because that's two totally different things.

Make sure you don't spread that around because that's two totally different things.

Right, absolutely, absolutely, Like you know, a lot of teams lean on their security staff, you know, you know, if they got a big dom in the house or something like that, they're leaning on on that for you for all the information on tests and things that come coming through like that. So yeah, but oftentimes you're taking that information right to the doctors and just making sure that it's not something that's crazy.

Right, absolutely, absolutely, Like you know, a lot of teams lean on their security staff, you know, you know, if they got a big dom in the house or something like that, they're leaning on on that for you for all the information on tests and things that come coming through like that. So yeah, but oftentimes you're taking that information right to the doctors and just making sure that it's not something that's crazy.

Look, I don't do a mock draft because when you guys tell me, hey, Glaze, we're doing this, you can't say anything right until you're on the until we're you know, draft night around the clock, you can't say anything. So I'm not gonna lie to the fans and put something else at when I know it's not gonna happen.

Look, I don't do a mock draft because when you guys tell me, hey, Glaze, we're doing this, you can't say anything right until you're on the until we're you know, draft night around the clock, you can't say anything. So I'm not gonna lie to the fans and put something else at when I know it's not gonna happen.

And the same right, you know, I live in this world of trust.

And the same right, you know, I live in this world of trust.

But I think a lot of you guys called me in the past and go, hey, we're like there was a team years ago asked me about man, we want one of these two top corners. I said, can't do it. You got to move up five spots. I don't think you have the capitol. I could put you on the phone with a team and see if you can get this done. But otherwise, who's your third guy? And they told me I said, okay, you could drop down around five because I don't have anybody.

But I think a lot of you guys called me in the past and go, hey, we're like there was a team years ago asked me about man, we want one of these two top corners. I said, can't do it. You got to move up five spots. I don't think you have the capitol. I could put you on the phone with a team and see if you can get this done. But otherwise, who's your third guy? And they told me I said, okay, you could drop down around five because I don't have anybody.

Liking him before that. So all good things like that, you know.

Liking him before that. So all good things like that, you know.

But as a result, when I'm on Fox Sports Radio, I already know a lot of what's going to go on going into it. That's why I think we're the most excessive you know, draft show you could you could watch now having you out absolutely tell me again, tell me the process going in for you guys of let's say this last couple of weeks here you're saying you're meeting with the coach. Tell me your process and how you how you put your you're born up and what those conversations are like.

But as a result, when I'm on Fox Sports Radio, I already know a lot of what's going to go on going into it. That's why I think we're the most excessive you know, draft show you could you could watch now having you out absolutely tell me again, tell me the process going in for you guys of let's say this last couple of weeks here you're saying you're meeting with the coach. Tell me your process and how you how you put your you're born up and what those conversations are like.

Yeah, so our process, I mean obviously it starts in May, right right after the draft. The guys are starting to work on next year's draft class. And really we have our first group of meetings of putting the initial board together in December once the college seasons played out, and probably right before the playoffs are starting, and now in today's format college schedule, and we're really just kind of getting with the scouts. Who's your top thirty guys, Like who are the guys.

Yeah, so our process, I mean obviously it starts in May, right right after the draft. The guys are starting to work on next year's draft class. And really we have our first group of meetings of putting the initial board together in December once the college seasons played out, and probably right before the playoffs are starting, and now in today's format college schedule, and we're really just kind of getting with the scouts. Who's your top thirty guys, Like who are the guys.

You're excited about?

You're excited about?

Like who would you be most excited to be a Raven or an Eagle or a Jet?

Like who would you be most excited to be a Raven or an Eagle or a Jet?

Like who fires you up?

Like who fires you up?

So you're going over those guys in December and that kind of gets you going, kind of kind of gets you started in the process. And then All Star Games, the Senior Bowl East West, all the guys are hitting those and just kind of trying to fill in some puzzle pieces to each player. A Senior Bowl is usually a big week, but really you get back together as a group right before Combine, so that that week before the combine is when we get together and really start hammering out are what our front board is going to look like. And then we hit the We hit the combine, hit the pro days, and now you bring the coaches in usually that first first, uh, first or second week of April, and they've they've been on the road, they've been doing the private workouts, interviews with the players, saw them at the combine. They've they're really they're really locked into their position group who they love, and that's when the scouts and the coaches really come together. And kind of that's kind of the magic of it is when when when you find when you find guys that the scouts and the coaches are all fired up about, that kind of makes your job a little easier as a general manager.

So you're going over those guys in December and that kind of gets you going, kind of kind of gets you started in the process. And then All Star Games, the Senior Bowl East West, all the guys are hitting those and just kind of trying to fill in some puzzle pieces to each player. A Senior Bowl is usually a big week, but really you get back together as a group right before Combine, so that that week before the combine is when we get together and really start hammering out are what our front board is going to look like. And then we hit the We hit the combine, hit the pro days, and now you bring the coaches in usually that first first, uh, first or second week of April, and they've they've been on the road, they've been doing the private workouts, interviews with the players, saw them at the combine. They've they're really they're really locked into their position group who they love, and that's when the scouts and the coaches really come together. And kind of that's kind of the magic of it is when when when you find when you find guys that the scouts and the coaches are all fired up about, that kind of makes your job a little easier as a general manager.

You told me something the other that I didn't realize reading your your reports out loud.

You told me something the other that I didn't realize reading your your reports out loud.

Repeat that.

Repeat that.

I mean, I probably picked that up from being fifteen years with Ozzie and Hall of Fame player, hall of Fame personnel, executive, Hall of Fame person you know. And so been fifteen years of Ozzie watching how he operated the meetings, you know, and as he never read his report. Ozzie never wanted to really sway the room one way or the other, you know. He wanted it to be as organic as possible in terms of how God has felt about a player. He didn't he didn't want his opinions swaying anything. We really wanted to avoid a group thing phenomenon. So I kind of carried that over when when I had the opportunity to start running draft meetings.

I mean, I probably picked that up from being fifteen years with Ozzie and Hall of Fame player, hall of Fame personnel, executive, Hall of Fame person you know. And so been fifteen years of Ozzie watching how he operated the meetings, you know, and as he never read his report. Ozzie never wanted to really sway the room one way or the other, you know. He wanted it to be as organic as possible in terms of how God has felt about a player. He didn't he didn't want his opinions swaying anything. We really wanted to avoid a group thing phenomenon. So I kind of carried that over when when I had the opportunity to start running draft meetings.

And so I never really read my reports.

And so I never really read my reports.

And you know, you may read them out loud to the room, right if somebody doesn't trying to suck up to the boss and change their grade.

And you know, you may read them out loud to the room, right if somebody doesn't trying to suck up to the boss and change their grade.

Yeah, or someone just yeah, a younger scout that may not have as much conviction or may not you know, have as much confidence in his ability, like well, well, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go the side of the GM or like I'm going to change them up. And that's the exact opposite of what we're looking for. You know, we want your conviction. You're the one that's done in the work as a scout, like you know this player better than anybody, Like we want like you you have to you have to be strong in what you think. So you know, as a leader, you don't wanna you don't want to sway that person one way or the other. So you know, I went years without reading any of my reports. So you know, it stacks because I love writing reports. I love I love I love painting the picture on what I think a player is and how I think a player can help a team.

Yeah, or someone just yeah, a younger scout that may not have as much conviction or may not you know, have as much confidence in his ability, like well, well, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go the side of the GM or like I'm going to change them up. And that's the exact opposite of what we're looking for. You know, we want your conviction. You're the one that's done in the work as a scout, like you know this player better than anybody, Like we want like you you have to you have to be strong in what you think. So you know, as a leader, you don't wanna you don't want to sway that person one way or the other. So you know, I went years without reading any of my reports. So you know, it stacks because I love writing reports. I love I love I love painting the picture on what I think a player is and how I think a player can help a team.

So yeah, it's uh, it's the essence of what we do.

So yeah, it's uh, it's the essence of what we do.

Man, It's just it's just describing capturing a director or a GM, a coach's attention in a minute and thirty seconds to paint the picture of exactly who this, what this player is, what he's all about, how he's gonna help the team, where he fits on the depth chart, if I'm excited, if I can't warm up to him, Like that's that's the real beauty of scouting.

Man, It's just it's just describing capturing a director or a GM, a coach's attention in a minute and thirty seconds to paint the picture of exactly who this, what this player is, what he's all about, how he's gonna help the team, where he fits on the depth chart, if I'm excited, if I can't warm up to him, Like that's that's the real beauty of scouting.

When you go around the room. Is there a time limit on guys or it's like.

When you go around the room. Is there a time limit on guys or it's like.

No, no, we don't put a time limit. We don't put a time limit. I put that limit in my own head because probably I'm I'm adhd so like you know, I you know, with someone's long winded, someone's talking about reading their report and it's five minutes, and guys are like fading out, Like you're trying to avoid that, Like we're trying to we're trying to capture. We're trying to capture the GM and the and the head coach and the owner if he's in the room, and like this is what this guy can do for us, Like this is a guy that's gonna come in here and help us win games. And I want you to know exactly how I feel about that.

No, no, we don't put a time limit. We don't put a time limit. I put that limit in my own head because probably I'm I'm adhd so like you know, I you know, with someone's long winded, someone's talking about reading their report and it's five minutes, and guys are like fading out, Like you're trying to avoid that, Like we're trying to we're trying to capture. We're trying to capture the GM and the and the head coach and the owner if he's in the room, and like this is what this guy can do for us, Like this is a guy that's gonna come in here and help us win games. And I want you to know exactly how I feel about that.

Guy when you got her going to games, college games, cout these guys. What can you get? I never knew this, and I don't I've never asked a question. What can you get by being there? Because you just up in the press box, are in a stand that you couldn't just get on the TV cop.

Guy when you got her going to games, college games, cout these guys. What can you get? I never knew this, and I don't I've never asked a question. What can you get by being there? Because you just up in the press box, are in a stand that you couldn't just get on the TV cop.

Yeah, press box. The press box is just where you sit to watch the game. I think I think you get the most. I mean when a players on the field and you're in the press box, I mean you can get that and more watching the tape. But but you're there for all the things that you can't see on television or you can't see on the tape. I want to see a guy. I want to see a guy warm up. I want to stand on the side. I want to get a feel for his I want to I want to be right next to him.

Yeah, press box. The press box is just where you sit to watch the game. I think I think you get the most. I mean when a players on the field and you're in the press box, I mean you can get that and more watching the tape. But but you're there for all the things that you can't see on television or you can't see on the tape. I want to see a guy. I want to see a guy warm up. I want to stand on the side. I want to get a feel for his I want to I want to be right next to him.

I'm gonna I.

I'm gonna I.

Want to feel how big he like? I want to see how big he is? Like, all right, how's this guy put together? Like?

Want to feel how big he like? I want to see how big he is? Like, all right, how's this guy put together? Like?

Can I can remember?

Can I can remember?

Like, here's a story, like I was at a Mississippi State Auburn Thursday night game at Mississippi State and Auburn that was a year.

Like, here's a story, like I was at a Mississippi State Auburn Thursday night game at Mississippi State and Auburn that was a year.

Auburn won the national championship, so they had like nineteen seniors. Mississippi State had a bunch of seniors. So I've got my back to Auburn and.

Auburn won the national championship, so they had like nineteen seniors. Mississippi State had a bunch of seniors. So I've got my back to Auburn and.

I am I am writing notes on Mississippi State seniors and all I hear for like two and a half minutes is stoo. And I look back and I'm like, why is this defensive end throwing the football?

I am I am writing notes on Mississippi State seniors and all I hear for like two and a half minutes is stoo. And I look back and I'm like, why is this defensive end throwing the football?

And it's Cam Newton.

And it's Cam Newton.

Like you could hear like I say that because you could hear the ball jump out of his hands and when it hit a receiver bad, Like, it just sounded different.

Like you could hear like I say that because you could hear the ball jump out of his hands and when it hit a receiver bad, Like, it just sounded different.

It looked and sounded different.

It looked and sounded different.

So like, those are things you can't like you can't see from the television or tape. You can see how a guy interacts with his teammates on the tape. That's not the sideline. You're not getting the sideline, you know. I think TV's a lot better now capturing sideline interactions.

So like, those are things you can't like you can't see from the television or tape. You can see how a guy interacts with his teammates on the tape. That's not the sideline. You're not getting the sideline, you know. I think TV's a lot better now capturing sideline interactions.

With players and coaches.

With players and coaches.

But you didn't necessarily get that all the time, and you're looking for all you're looking at all of that at a game when you're watching the player interact with teammates, interact with coaches. How seriously, is he how mature? Is he like is you know, does he carry himself like an alpha? Is this guy a dog? Like you're looking at all those those things that you wouldn't otherwise see on television or tape.

But you didn't necessarily get that all the time, and you're looking for all you're looking at all of that at a game when you're watching the player interact with teammates, interact with coaches. How seriously, is he how mature? Is he like is you know, does he carry himself like an alpha? Is this guy a dog? Like you're looking at all those those things that you wouldn't otherwise see on television or tape.

Give me some trade stories of trades it almost happened but didn't.

Give me some trade stories of trades it almost happened but didn't.

Yeah, trades, it almost happened.

Yeah, trades, it almost happened.

I mean, I feel like there's been a lot of like, uh, I made like thirty twenty calls trying to trade up and get your mate. So a bunch of those didn't didn't happen obviously, but we were able to get a trade done with Tennessee to get Jermaine Johnson. I think it's just a lot of my memories of the almost or what could have been. I mean, you're there's so much information coming at you during the draft and so when you get locked in, like I talk about the Jermaine trade, uh, just because that for me, that was like that was like a really fun hour and a half for me because we had we had picked we had pick Sauce three, we had picked Garrett ten, and I think after like the twelfth or thirteenth pick, you know, Roberts like, hey, let's let's get Jrmine he's in our top ten, Like, let's let's go get him, Like, yeah, let's do it.

I mean, I feel like there's been a lot of like, uh, I made like thirty twenty calls trying to trade up and get your mate. So a bunch of those didn't didn't happen obviously, but we were able to get a trade done with Tennessee to get Jermaine Johnson. I think it's just a lot of my memories of the almost or what could have been. I mean, you're there's so much information coming at you during the draft and so when you get locked in, like I talk about the Jermaine trade, uh, just because that for me, that was like that was like a really fun hour and a half for me because we had we had picked we had pick Sauce three, we had picked Garrett ten, and I think after like the twelfth or thirteenth pick, you know, Roberts like, hey, let's let's get Jrmine he's in our top ten, Like, let's let's go get him, Like, yeah, let's do it.

So you know, you're on the call. You're on the phone from.

So you know, you're on the call. You're on the phone from.

Basically pick thirteen to pick twenty six trying to get done and you're you're trying to get.

Basically pick thirteen to pick twenty six trying to get done and you're you're trying to get.

Every pick is like here's where you go.

Every pick is like here's where you go.

He's going right here, like we're missing out on him, and uh, it's still lost. So you're just smiling and dialing for two hours, you're just trying to like smile and down man work the phone, was trying to get a deal done and just the jubilee, like it felt like ten hours because you're just talking, You're just calling all these people. But they finally get that deal done and get someone that everybody was excited about, you know, and and I'm fired up for him. I know he just got to fit your option picked up. But that was just announced. So like to get a guy that like loves football, which the main love football plays plays so hard, place physical and just knowing like yeah, man, like we worked really hard to get a really good player, you know, and so that was fun.

He's going right here, like we're missing out on him, and uh, it's still lost. So you're just smiling and dialing for two hours, you're just trying to like smile and down man work the phone, was trying to get a deal done and just the jubilee, like it felt like ten hours because you're just talking, You're just calling all these people. But they finally get that deal done and get someone that everybody was excited about, you know, and and I'm fired up for him. I know he just got to fit your option picked up. But that was just announced. So like to get a guy that like loves football, which the main love football plays plays so hard, place physical and just knowing like yeah, man, like we worked really hard to get a really good player, you know, and so that was fun.

You already, I know a lot of guys have great relationships.

You already, I know a lot of guys have great relationships.

You messed with each other, and I just remember being in that Saints draft room and Bruce Allen calling and trying to trade talk to them about trading up. The Saints at that point, I think they had two first rounders and they moved up to like number six. Forget what it was or whatever was if I remember Bruce Allen calling.

You messed with each other, and I just remember being in that Saints draft room and Bruce Allen calling and trying to trade talk to them about trading up. The Saints at that point, I think they had two first rounders and they moved up to like number six. Forget what it was or whatever was if I remember Bruce Allen calling.

I'm saying that.

I'm saying that.

Bruce like like, what are you calling for? You don't want to trade up for this pick? He's like, actually don't. I'm just really bored right now. You get some of those calls too, you know what your what's you're fun you? Which I always loved. I loved uh.

Bruce like like, what are you calling for? You don't want to trade up for this pick? He's like, actually don't. I'm just really bored right now. You get some of those calls too, you know what your what's you're fun you? Which I always loved. I loved uh.

I love John Dorsey because like, uh yo, he would be the he's the best because he like four oh one. On the trade deadline, he'll call and be like, hey, I'll give you three first.

I love John Dorsey because like, uh yo, he would be the he's the best because he like four oh one. On the trade deadline, he'll call and be like, hey, I'll give you three first.

For that player. Hey, you're you're on the clock.

For that player. Hey, you're you're on the clock.

And I know, I know boalers talk about four because him he worked together. But you're on the clock and and Dors will call you and just be like we doing We think like I'm working man, like you shoot, all right, where are.

And I know, I know boalers talk about four because him he worked together. But you're on the clock and and Dors will call you and just be like we doing We think like I'm working man, like you shoot, all right, where are.

You gonna go here?

You gonna go here?

But it's so fun. I just that that stuff just cracks me up. Man, cracks me up. He's the best.

But it's so fun. I just that that stuff just cracks me up. Man, cracks me up. He's the best.

Now, I know a lot of you know, you get all your grades done and then you have the instrumental hurdle of talking to your owner about it. You're a former owner, is a known meddler, whatdy Johnson. But everyone has to deal with this differently. When would you bring the owner into what your thought process was and how is that tightrope to convince them what you want.

Now, I know a lot of you know, you get all your grades done and then you have the instrumental hurdle of talking to your owner about it. You're a former owner, is a known meddler, whatdy Johnson. But everyone has to deal with this differently. When would you bring the owner into what your thought process was and how is that tightrope to convince them what you want.

To do instead of him?

To do instead of him?

Too many owners, I've said this to many owners like you guys again, you've been scouting dress since Man. Also, they want to come in the last couple of days and tell you what you should draft, which makes no sense.

Too many owners, I've said this to many owners like you guys again, you've been scouting dress since Man. Also, they want to come in the last couple of days and tell you what you should draft, which makes no sense.

But talk about how you bring them in and how difficult that is.

But talk about how you bring them in and how difficult that is.

Yeah, I mean, well, for me, those those conversations happened really towards the end of the season, right after the season. You know, we would we present our off season plan, we'd present our free agent plan first and then we'd go into our draft plan. But really, I mean, those conversations are happening towards the end of season leading into the All Star Game. Combine, you know you're having those conversations, you're you're just relaying, you know, who the scouts are excited about, who you're excited about, and then as the coaches information comes in, you know, and you're just you're just constantly providing information on really who the guy, who the players, who the coaches and scouts, and who I'm excited about, and who I think can help the team, and you know, just uh and obviously you know, getting that getting the owner's opinion to and and talking through any questions or concerns that he may have on any particular player. But you know, for me, those conversations happened early and often in the offseason, so you're trying, you're trying to just do your best best you can just to communicate in a real and honest way who who the players are that are that are garnering the most excitement in the group.

Yeah, I mean, well, for me, those those conversations happened really towards the end of the season, right after the season. You know, we would we present our off season plan, we'd present our free agent plan first and then we'd go into our draft plan. But really, I mean, those conversations are happening towards the end of season leading into the All Star Game. Combine, you know you're having those conversations, you're you're just relaying, you know, who the scouts are excited about, who you're excited about, and then as the coaches information comes in, you know, and you're just you're just constantly providing information on really who the guy, who the players, who the coaches and scouts, and who I'm excited about, and who I think can help the team, and you know, just uh and obviously you know, getting that getting the owner's opinion to and and talking through any questions or concerns that he may have on any particular player. But you know, for me, those conversations happened early and often in the offseason, so you're trying, you're trying to just do your best best you can just to communicate in a real and honest way who who the players are that are that are garnering the most excitement in the group.

Well, was there like a final like all right, one last being in, Hey, this is our plan?

Well, was there like a final like all right, one last being in, Hey, this is our plan?

Those would be like this is what we're doing.

Those would be like this is what we're doing.

Yeah, absolutely, yeah for for me.

Yeah, absolutely, yeah for for me.

For me, I'm sure everyone does it differently, but for me, that was the that was the day of the the day of the draft. Wow, that that morning of the draft where I would literally have every scenario on paper, basically a map for for ownership to follow, Like, Okay, these these are the players if if this player gets to pick five or six, Like, these are the four players that we would trade up for if they're there. Okay, if they're gone, we're gonna stay put. And if these five players are here, we're gonna we're gonna be really happy to turn the card in. All right now, if those players are gone, this group of players, we're gonna be happy to turn the card into. But we're gonna field calls on on a trade back situation. You know, so you're you're basically like I would just essentially here, here is the roadmap for tonight, Like this is exactly what you can expect, Like how exactly how you think it's gonna go down? And who you know, if these guys are here, we're gonna be aggressive. These guys aren't. We're gonna let the board come to us. And then if these guys, these guys are here, like, let's let's start, let's start.

For me, I'm sure everyone does it differently, but for me, that was the that was the day of the the day of the draft. Wow, that that morning of the draft where I would literally have every scenario on paper, basically a map for for ownership to follow, Like, Okay, these these are the players if if this player gets to pick five or six, Like, these are the four players that we would trade up for if they're there. Okay, if they're gone, we're gonna stay put. And if these five players are here, we're gonna we're gonna be really happy to turn the card in. All right now, if those players are gone, this group of players, we're gonna be happy to turn the card into. But we're gonna field calls on on a trade back situation. You know, so you're you're basically like I would just essentially here, here is the roadmap for tonight, Like this is exactly what you can expect, Like how exactly how you think it's gonna go down? And who you know, if these guys are here, we're gonna be aggressive. These guys aren't. We're gonna let the board come to us. And then if these guys, these guys are here, like, let's let's start, let's start.

Talking trade back.

Talking trade back.

I heard you tell me this.

I heard you tell me this.

I was told that he wanted here, he took sauce, he wanted multiple receivers instead of sauce.

I was told that he wanted here, he took sauce, he wanted multiple receivers instead of sauce.

So what is that a yes or no? And B how is that conversation of trying to convince them.

So what is that a yes or no? And B how is that conversation of trying to convince them.

Know, this is what we're doing.

Know, this is what we're doing.

You know, I think it's no different than the conversation you'd have with the coach that was that that kind of saw things differently. But I mean, ultimately, you know, wide receiver is a premium position. You know, I feel like the pre all the premium positions affect the pass game, right quarterback, wide receiver, offensive tackle, pass rusher, and corner, and so you know, ultimately it's it's another opportunity to get a premium, premium position and sauce premium premium corner and premium person, you know, and we are definitely going to get that premium wide receiver as well. And we were very we were very fortunate, I mean to be honest that Garrett was there when we picked you, because I mean, this also wasn't the first corner taken and Garrett wasn't the first wide receiver takens. So we were very fortunate to get both those guys. So I feel like we came out of that process with two premium players or premium positions that are quality, quality people and quality players.

You know, I think it's no different than the conversation you'd have with the coach that was that that kind of saw things differently. But I mean, ultimately, you know, wide receiver is a premium position. You know, I feel like the pre all the premium positions affect the pass game, right quarterback, wide receiver, offensive tackle, pass rusher, and corner, and so you know, ultimately it's it's another opportunity to get a premium, premium position and sauce premium premium corner and premium person, you know, and we are definitely going to get that premium wide receiver as well. And we were very we were very fortunate, I mean to be honest that Garrett was there when we picked you, because I mean, this also wasn't the first corner taken and Garrett wasn't the first wide receiver takens. So we were very fortunate to get both those guys. So I feel like we came out of that process with two premium players or premium positions that are quality, quality people and quality players.

Did he ever veto a pick for you?

Did he ever veto a pick for you?

No, no, no, never never vetoed a pick, you know. I mean, look, I feel like there was there was always constant communication and you know, I feel like when it when it came down to it, we were all on the same page about who we're going to take.

No, no, no, never never vetoed a pick, you know. I mean, look, I feel like there was there was always constant communication and you know, I feel like when it when it came down to it, we were all on the same page about who we're going to take.

Give me some of the cooler stories when you either gotten on the phone, are you gonna draft a kid orhen you first met him, like after you drafted him.

Give me some of the cooler stories when you either gotten on the phone, are you gonna draft a kid orhen you first met him, like after you drafted him.

Oh, man, I tell you, the first time I met Olu last year was just a great, a great experience. Forshana, who was who had picked at number of number eleven. He's just an awesome, awesome guy, you know, just a blue collar mindset, great family, great person.

Oh, man, I tell you, the first time I met Olu last year was just a great, a great experience. Forshana, who was who had picked at number of number eleven. He's just an awesome, awesome guy, you know, just a blue collar mindset, great family, great person.

You know.

You know.

I feel like you can say that about a lot of the guys that we took high.

I feel like you can say that about a lot of the guys that we took high.

Like the cool There's been some good phone calls.

Like the cool There's been some good phone calls.

Uh, you know, when you're when you're on a call and the emotions are going, you know, and the tears are flowing. You can hear the guys crying, you know, and the family is going berserk in the background.

Uh, you know, when you're when you're on a call and the emotions are going, you know, and the tears are flowing. You can hear the guys crying, you know, and the family is going berserk in the background.

Just just to just to experience that, just to just to.

Just just to just to experience that, just to just to.

Kind of be with them on that that moment, that milestone moment in their life and just realizing like all.

Kind of be with them on that that moment, that milestone moment in their life and just realizing like all.

The hard work that they put in, all the family support.

The hard work that they put in, all the family support.

That they've gotten, just like, I don't know, it's not the end, this is this is just a checkpoint for them, but it's a huge milestone. And not many people on the planet can say they've been drafted by an NFL team. But just when that emotion hits them and you know, they're cracking up and they're crying, like that's a that's a wild moment, and you feel like very grateful to be able to just be a part of that, to share that share that moment with them and their families.

That they've gotten, just like, I don't know, it's not the end, this is this is just a checkpoint for them, but it's a huge milestone. And not many people on the planet can say they've been drafted by an NFL team. But just when that emotion hits them and you know, they're cracking up and they're crying, like that's a that's a wild moment, and you feel like very grateful to be able to just be a part of that, to share that share that moment with them and their families.

It's try.

It's try.

I've trained a lot of kids coming out into the draft and unbreakable and a couple of things I tell them things they didn't realize, you know. One of them was, you know, they thought, oh, they're cannet draft or they're gonna have draft parties, and like, are you going to that team? Like now, there's no draft parties after you go into the team, and they're like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're going that night, dude, there's no draft parties and hanging out and seeing family it's the next that night, and I don't think they realize that, right.

I've trained a lot of kids coming out into the draft and unbreakable and a couple of things I tell them things they didn't realize, you know. One of them was, you know, they thought, oh, they're cannet draft or they're gonna have draft parties, and like, are you going to that team? Like now, there's no draft parties after you go into the team, and they're like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're going that night, dude, there's no draft parties and hanging out and seeing family it's the next that night, and I don't think they realize that, right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Look, it's like when you win a game, you celebrate it, You celebrate it for a little bit, and then it's on. You know, You're you're going on. Like this is almost like that. I mean, it's a bigger mouse. It's more important than just one game. But but like this is just a step, This is just a checkpoint in your career. Like, yeah, celebrate this with your family and the loved ones everyone you hold deer and tied to you. But like it's go time now, Like this is this is just starting, you know, and the expectations are that you you are going to roll and you're gonna come here and hit the ground running and be and be the dude that we all think you're going to be.

Look, it's like when you win a game, you celebrate it, You celebrate it for a little bit, and then it's on. You know, You're you're going on. Like this is almost like that. I mean, it's a bigger mouse. It's more important than just one game. But but like this is just a step, This is just a checkpoint in your career. Like, yeah, celebrate this with your family and the loved ones everyone you hold deer and tied to you. But like it's go time now, Like this is this is just starting, you know, and the expectations are that you you are going to roll and you're gonna come here and hit the ground running and be and be the dude that we all think you're going to be.

And the other one, I was telling them I was with another team. They're like, hey, I was with them and I picked up a draft pick with them just for experience from the airport. Run them back the facility, and the dude looks at me and like that first day you get there, you guys, these guys feel out like tax forms and none of these guys have that life skill of life experience and the.

And the other one, I was telling them I was with another team. They're like, hey, I was with them and I picked up a draft pick with them just for experience from the airport. Run them back the facility, and the dude looks at me and like that first day you get there, you guys, these guys feel out like tax forms and none of these guys have that life skill of life experience and the.

Guy looks at me, had to fill out this tax form and I'm like, fuck, don't look at me, but it's right.

Guy looks at me, had to fill out this tax form and I'm like, fuck, don't look at me, but it's right.

But I'm telling these guys we get ready for the comment or for the draft, be ready.

But I'm telling these guys we get ready for the comment or for the draft, be ready.

This is the type of stit you have to be ready for. You got to find out from your guys.

This is the type of stit you have to be ready for. You got to find out from your guys.

Like that's a.

Like that's a.

Pretty wild thing, Like like what's their process when they get to that team?

Pretty wild thing, Like like what's their process when they get to that team?

The different stuff that you put them through.

The different stuff that you put them through.

Yeah, I mean they've come on one of our pre draft visits, because you get thirty pre draft visits each year. I mean we pretty much put them through the ring of what their day is gonna look like at a heightened level, like there's a touch point with every single department, football ops. We put them through mock interviews, uh, press interviews, like we hit We've hit them with player engagement, Like they spend a lot of time with player engagement.

Yeah, I mean they've come on one of our pre draft visits, because you get thirty pre draft visits each year. I mean we pretty much put them through the ring of what their day is gonna look like at a heightened level, like there's a touch point with every single department, football ops. We put them through mock interviews, uh, press interviews, like we hit We've hit them with player engagement, Like they spend a lot of time with player engagement.

To go through a lot of what you just just.

To go through a lot of what you just just.

Describe the financials and like where you're gonna live, like getting you set up in a new town.

Describe the financials and like where you're gonna live, like getting you set up in a new town.

You know.

You know.

Uh So, like if they've come on a pre draft visit, they they kind of know what to expect. But if not like, well, then they're just getting they're just getting a length lengthier version of our our pre draft. Is it like you you come here, you're going through the washer, right, You're gonna hit equipment and and uh medical training, uh football engagement, Like you know, the first thing they're gonna do is they're gonna spend a lot of time with with player engagement, just to make sure that they get set up with everything they need in this new environment.

Uh So, like if they've come on a pre draft visit, they they kind of know what to expect. But if not like, well, then they're just getting they're just getting a length lengthier version of our our pre draft. Is it like you you come here, you're going through the washer, right, You're gonna hit equipment and and uh medical training, uh football engagement, Like you know, the first thing they're gonna do is they're gonna spend a lot of time with with player engagement, just to make sure that they get set up with everything they need in this new environment.

Yeah, I don't think about that.

Yeah, I don't think about that.

Also, yeah, you moved, you got you go find a home and find a car and find Yeah, it's just yeah, yeah, and I think the real the outside world doesn't realize that. And they're also like they're twenty one years old, Like I didn't know shit when I was twenty one.

Also, yeah, you moved, you got you go find a home and find a car and find Yeah, it's just yeah, yeah, and I think the real the outside world doesn't realize that. And they're also like they're twenty one years old, Like I didn't know shit when I was twenty one.

I don't know how to do this stuff, you know.

I don't know how to do this stuff, you know.

And yeah, so who's coming with you? You know?

And yeah, so who's coming with you? You know?

Are you coming by yourself or is your is your mom coming to your dad? Coming girlfriend? Or we know, like who's coming with you? Because we it's really like we were not just draft We never thought it was we're just drafting the player. We're drafting that entire person's ecosystem, you know that, Like that's how we we we think about it. That's why we put so much work and effort into to to try to find out what this person's all about. So you know, we're trying. It's a full on education for the player on what to expect here, How can we help you? This is what you can expect from a living standpoint, car taxes, Like we our engagement team did a good job with attacking that.

Are you coming by yourself or is your is your mom coming to your dad? Coming girlfriend? Or we know, like who's coming with you? Because we it's really like we were not just draft We never thought it was we're just drafting the player. We're drafting that entire person's ecosystem, you know that, Like that's how we we we think about it. That's why we put so much work and effort into to to try to find out what this person's all about. So you know, we're trying. It's a full on education for the player on what to expect here, How can we help you? This is what you can expect from a living standpoint, car taxes, Like we our engagement team did a good job with attacking that.

Two more questions for it.

Two more questions for it.

One, who's the most impressive kid you ever interviewed that you didn't draft?

One, who's the most impressive kid you ever interviewed that you didn't draft?

Man? I didn't interview my set in. I was a personnel assistant back in Baltimore.

Man? I didn't interview my set in. I was a personnel assistant back in Baltimore.

But it was a Kwam Bolden and it was at the combine and he just was he was everything.

But it was a Kwam Bolden and it was at the combine and he just was he was everything.

He was everything.

He was everything.

He was such and he ended up being perfect fit for the Ravens and helped helped us win a Super Bowl in twenty twelve. But when he walked out, it was like, oh damn, like this guy, this guy is ray Lewis as a wide receiver. Like this guy is an absolute just tough as nails, badass. You know, It's just like he was serious, but it was a man a few words, but everything was everything was all ball and like imposing imposing my will on other people and all the stuff that just kind of makes your hair stand on end. And he walked out of a room and everybody's like, oh, yeah, man, that guy's are raven for sure, Like that is a bad dude, you know, Like, and we didn't we didn't draft him. He went second round. He didn't run, he didn't run a great forty. But that's one of the better wide receivers of that era. And it was just because of what he was all about as a as a dude, and as a competitor and as a tough guy. And you know, when we had the opportunity to trade for him and Ozzie had the opportunity to trade for him, like that really solidified the team.

He was such and he ended up being perfect fit for the Ravens and helped helped us win a Super Bowl in twenty twelve. But when he walked out, it was like, oh damn, like this guy, this guy is ray Lewis as a wide receiver. Like this guy is an absolute just tough as nails, badass. You know, It's just like he was serious, but it was a man a few words, but everything was everything was all ball and like imposing imposing my will on other people and all the stuff that just kind of makes your hair stand on end. And he walked out of a room and everybody's like, oh, yeah, man, that guy's are raven for sure, Like that is a bad dude, you know, Like, and we didn't we didn't draft him. He went second round. He didn't run, he didn't run a great forty. But that's one of the better wide receivers of that era. And it was just because of what he was all about as a as a dude, and as a competitor and as a tough guy. And you know, when we had the opportunity to trade for him and Ozzie had the opportunity to trade for him, like that really solidified the team.

He's like a dude from three hundred playing football.

He's like a dude from three hundred playing football.

Yeah, he's right right, Like that is a guy like you know, describe it and scouting like dark alley guy, foxhole guy. Right, those are the guy like who do I want next to me in in a dogfight? Like yeah that like Inmolden, Yeah, that's your guy, you know. And there's there's there's always a good group of those guys in every draft. But like you know, just try to surround your show as many those guys as possible.

Yeah, he's right right, Like that is a guy like you know, describe it and scouting like dark alley guy, foxhole guy. Right, those are the guy like who do I want next to me in in a dogfight? Like yeah that like Inmolden, Yeah, that's your guy, you know. And there's there's there's always a good group of those guys in every draft. But like you know, just try to surround your show as many those guys as possible.

I love it well, Joe d Man, I cannot tell you how excited I am man to do this with you this week. It's gonna be awesome.

I love it well, Joe d Man, I cannot tell you how excited I am man to do this with you this week. It's gonna be awesome.

Dude.

Dude.

I go one more question for you. I leave this with all my guests.

I go one more question for you. I leave this with all my guests.

I know we haven't talked this way in this podcast, but and ask everybody.

I know we haven't talked this way in this podcast, but and ask everybody.

For the unbreakable moment we could all learn from those things.

For the unbreakable moment we could all learn from those things.

Give me the moment in life, career, whatever it is it could have broken you shouldn't but didn't.

Give me the moment in life, career, whatever it is it could have broken you shouldn't but didn't.

As a result, you came through the other side of the tunnel stronger forever.

As a result, you came through the other side of the tunnel stronger forever.

Yeah, I mean i'd go I probably have one for each life and career life probably just you know, being the kid that was constantly picked on and for a size, you know, because I mean I haven't grown an inch since eighth grade, you know, so like I was always I was always a big.

Yeah, I mean i'd go I probably have one for each life and career life probably just you know, being the kid that was constantly picked on and for a size, you know, because I mean I haven't grown an inch since eighth grade, you know, so like I was always I was always a big.

Kid, and I was a target for a lot of older kids bullying.

Kid, and I was a target for a lot of older kids bullying.

But football, football was the place I felt normal, you know, where I felt okay, I belong. So I football saved my life in many ways, not so much from I mean, just from making me feel like this is a place where I belong, where I feel like I belong, but also the teamwork discipline that it instills in you, you know, working for more than just yourself, you know, work working as a unit to achieve greatness.

But football, football was the place I felt normal, you know, where I felt okay, I belong. So I football saved my life in many ways, not so much from I mean, just from making me feel like this is a place where I belong, where I feel like I belong, but also the teamwork discipline that it instills in you, you know, working for more than just yourself, you know, work working as a unit to achieve greatness.

Like so many, so many.

Like so many, so many.

Things about football have changed my life, you know, you know, and obviously you know, this was the first time I've ever been fired from a job this past November, so it's certainly not going to break me. You know, I've uh, you know, you do, you do, I know, we had a conversation. You you kind of sit, you sit in the in the craft for a little bit and you just kind of go through everything that didn't work out, what you could have changed, what you could have done differently, and you got to come come out on the other side, energize, ready to go. And then what makes me very previously that this Thursday night, we can we can get together and talk about the draft, not letting the draft class go without knowing who the these guys are, and we can you know, we I've watched all these guys and you know, we can we can talk about each of them as they come through the board, and then you know what's next after after that, Like you know, I feel good about about the opportunities that are out there, and you know, you're you're really re energized into into into knowing, like yeah, man, I am, I am that guy that can that can help help a team win a championship. Still, so like, yeah, I'd say those two things for sure.

Things about football have changed my life, you know, you know, and obviously you know, this was the first time I've ever been fired from a job this past November, so it's certainly not going to break me. You know, I've uh, you know, you do, you do, I know, we had a conversation. You you kind of sit, you sit in the in the craft for a little bit and you just kind of go through everything that didn't work out, what you could have changed, what you could have done differently, and you got to come come out on the other side, energize, ready to go. And then what makes me very previously that this Thursday night, we can we can get together and talk about the draft, not letting the draft class go without knowing who the these guys are, and we can you know, we I've watched all these guys and you know, we can we can talk about each of them as they come through the board, and then you know what's next after after that, Like you know, I feel good about about the opportunities that are out there, and you know, you're you're really re energized into into into knowing, like yeah, man, I am, I am that guy that can that can help help a team win a championship. Still, so like, yeah, I'd say those two things for sure.

Love it man.

Love it man.

Well again, Jod's with me and Jenny Taft and LeVar Arrington on Fox Sports Radio on Thursday night for the Draft. I mean, I I love these kind of talks because you know, obviously the drafts gets more attention now than ever has, but people don't really know the inside and have somebody like you to be able to pull back that curtain a little bit and show the fans this is what happens when you're on the clock, this is what you're looking for for these certain guys, this is what comes up on these pre draft meetings.

Well again, Jod's with me and Jenny Taft and LeVar Arrington on Fox Sports Radio on Thursday night for the Draft. I mean, I I love these kind of talks because you know, obviously the drafts gets more attention now than ever has, but people don't really know the inside and have somebody like you to be able to pull back that curtain a little bit and show the fans this is what happens when you're on the clock, this is what you're looking for for these certain guys, this is what comes up on these pre draft meetings.

It's invaluable.

It's invaluable.

I appreciate you, brother, Yeah, man, I'm gonna have fun.

I appreciate you, brother, Yeah, man, I'm gonna have fun.

Thank you, Joe Douglas, thanks for being our guest and The Unbreakable Podcast

Thank you, Joe Douglas, thanks for being our guest and The Unbreakable Podcast