"Pitching is a verbal way of selling your story, and I like to leave something visual so they remember my pitch." — Sher-Li Tan

I thought I was the Queen of Pitch Preparation until I met producer and filmmaker Sher-Li Tan. We first met at YouTube conference VidCon and she blew me away with how passionately she spruiked her projects. In this episode we talk about how she prepares for pitching her shows — everything from the documents she creates to how she researches her audience and the people she's pitching to.

We also discuss how pitching can be a way to test the market for your ideas, and different ways to measure the success of your pitches. Sher-Li's full of great insights and stresses the importance of nurturing relationships with the people you pitch to along the way. 

Podcast Guest Profile

Sher-Li Tan is an early-career producer with an interest in storytelling and production excellence. She strongly believes in the power of the film to connect and engage.

Raised in both Mauritius and Singapore, she aspires to use her exposure to different cultures and backgrounds to inform her filmmaking. She is also a trained speech pathologist and hence a vocal advocate for communities from various under-represented populations.

Time Stamps

0:53 | How I've approached pitching my TV ideas

5:45 | Interview with Sher-Li Tan

Interesting Links
Sher-Li's website https://www.passport-productions.com/
Sher-Li's LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherlitan/
VidCon Australia https://vidconaustralia.com/
Screen Forever Conference https://www.screenforever.org.au/

Say Hello!

I'm at taku.com.au, Instagram/Twitter: @takuspeaks or Facebook: @TakuTV.

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"Pitching is a verbal way of selling your story, and I like to leave something visual so they remember my pitch." &mdash; Sher-Li Tan
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I thought I was the Queen of Pitch Preparation until I met producer and filmmaker Sher-Li Tan. We first met at YouTube conference VidCon and she blew me away with how passionately she spruiked her projects. In this episode we talk about how she prepares for pitching her shows &mdash; everything from the documents she creates to how she researches her audience and the people she's pitching to.
We also discuss how pitching can be a way to test the market for your ideas, and different ways to measure the success of your pitches. Sher-Li's full of great insights and stresses the importance of nurturing relationships with the people you pitch to along the way.&nbsp;
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Podcast Guest Profile
Sher-Li Tan is an early-career producer with an interest in storytelling and production excellence. She strongly believes in the power of the film to connect and engage.
Raised in both Mauritius and Singapore, she aspires to use her exposure to different cultures and backgrounds to inform her filmmaking. She is also a trained speech pathologist and hence a vocal advocate for communities from various under-represented populations.
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Time Stamps
0:53 | How I've approached pitching my TV ideas
5:45 | Interview with Sher-Li Tan
Interesting Links
<ul>
<li>Sher-Li's website <a href="https://www.passport-productions.com/">https://www.passport-productions.com/</a></li>
<li>Sher-Li's LinkedIn <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherlitan/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherlitan/</a></li>
<li>VidCon Australia <a href="https://vidconaustralia.com/">https://vidconaustralia.com/</a></li>
<li>Screen Forever Conference <a href="https://www.screenforever.org.au/">https://www.screenforever.org.au/</a></li>
</ul>
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Say Hello!
I'm at <a href="http://www.taku.com.au">taku.com.au</a>, Instagram/Twitter: <a href="https://instagram.com/takuspeaks/">@takuspeaks</a> or Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/takutv">@TakuTV</a>.

Hi, I'm Taku Mbudzi and I love to tell stories — give me a pen, a microphone or a camera and I’ll have something to share.

Two Words with Taku is a podcast and pit stop for writers and storytellers — a place for rest, encouragement, inspiration and fuel before you head back out to the work of writing.

Join our community at https://twowordswithtaku.substack.com/, and follow the show on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/ and Instagram https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/ for updates on our LIVE in-person podcast recording events.

Podcast produced and recorded on the traditional country of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation, Australia.

Hi, I'm Taku Mbudzi and I love to tell stories — give me a pen, a microphone or a camera and I’ll have something to share.
Two Words with Taku is a podcast and pit stop for writers and storytellers — a place for rest, encouragement, inspiration and fuel before you head back out to the work of writing.
Join our community at <a href="https://twowordswithtaku.substack.com/">https://twowordswithtaku.substack.com/</a>, and follow the show on Facebook <a href="https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/">https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/</a> and Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/">https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/</a> for updates on our LIVE in-person podcast recording events.
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Podcast produced and recorded on the traditional country of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation, Australia.

Writer by day; comedian and filmmaker by night.

Two Words with Taku

Hi, I'm Taku Mbudzi and I love to tell stories — give me a pen, a microphone or a camera and I’ll have something to share. 

Two Words with Taku is a show about my writing and storytelling adventures. Watch my film Gugu naGogo on ABC iview at https://iview.abc.net.au/show/gugu-nagogo.

Podcast produced and recorded on the traditional country of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation, Australia.

Hi, I'm Taku Mbudzi and I love to tell stories — give me a pen, a microphone or a camera and I’ll have something to share. 
Two Words with Taku is a show about my writing and storytelling adventures. Watch my film Gugu naGogo on ABC iview at <a href="https://iview.abc.net.au/show/gugu-nagogo">https://iview.abc.net.au/show/gugu-nagogo</a>.
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Podcast produced and recorded on the traditional country of the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin nation, Australia.

98. Pitch Perfectin' with Producer and Filmmaker Sher-Li Tan

My special guest for this episode is Selene Dudley-Bateman, the Chief Executive Officer of Auspicious Arts Projects (AAP), a not-for-profit creative community management organisation. They provide independent artists with a secure and accessible framework to assist them with creative developments and producing work.

AAP were fantastic last year when I wanted to apply for some funding through my local council. I was so impressed by them and thought other artists I know might wanna know more about them, so I invited Selene to chat with me.

I hope you find her insights useful too!

About Selene Bateman

Selene Bateman is a highly regarded arts administrator, producer and project manager who has worked in the creative sector for nearly 20 years. She has produced animated tv series, queer cabarets and comedy shows for children. 

As the CEO and Senior Client Manager at Auspicious, she has worked with hundreds of artists across art forms and career stages, helping them navigate the funding landscape, get budgets into shape, and manage their projects.  She is also an experienced grant writer, workshop facilitator, and financial manager.

Connect with Selene on LinkedIn.

About Auspicious Arts Projects

Auspicious Arts Project Inc. was established in 1993 to assist artists undertaking projects within the arts. The intention was to provide artists with all the protection and advantages of working with a larger organisation while still remaining independent and in control of their work. 

Auspicious Arts Projects offers financial and administrative management for individuals and small art organisations. This includes assistance with the day-to-day financial aspects of the project. 

In addition Auspicious offers advice and guidance to artists to the most likely sources of funding, as well assistance preparing budgets for funding applications. Auspicious Arts Projects work with artists from across the spectrum of the arts, and has watched many of its artists grow into fully fledged companies of their own right.

This Two Words with Taku podcast episode was recorded virtually in December 2023 in Melbourne.

Follow Two Words with Taku at:

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@twowordswithtaku

My special guest for this episode is Selene Dudley-Bateman, the Chief Executive Officer of <a href="https://www.auspicious.com.au/">Auspicious Arts Projects</a> (AAP), a not-for-profit creative community management organisation. They provide independent artists with a secure and accessible framework to assist them with creative developments and producing work.
AAP were fantastic last year when I wanted to apply for some funding through my local council. I was so impressed by them and thought other artists I know might wanna know more about them, so I invited Selene to chat with me.
I hope you find her insights useful too!
About Selene Bateman
Selene Bateman is a highly regarded arts administrator, producer and project manager who has worked in the creative sector for nearly 20 years. She has produced animated tv series, queer cabarets and comedy shows for children. 
As the CEO and Senior Client Manager at Auspicious, she has worked with hundreds of artists across art forms and career stages, helping them navigate the funding landscape, get budgets into shape, and manage their projects.  She is also an experienced grant writer, workshop facilitator, and financial manager.
<a href="https://au.linkedin.com/in/selene-dudley-bateman-b88465a5">Connect with Selene on LinkedIn.</a>
About Auspicious Arts Projects
Auspicious Arts Project Inc. was established in 1993 to assist artists undertaking projects within the arts. The intention was to provide artists with all the protection and advantages of working with a larger organisation while still remaining independent and in control of their work. 
Auspicious Arts Projects offers financial and administrative management for individuals and small art organisations. This includes assistance with the day-to-day financial aspects of the project. 
In addition Auspicious offers advice and guidance to artists to the most likely sources of funding, as well assistance preparing budgets for funding applications. Auspicious Arts Projects work with artists from across the spectrum of the arts, and has watched many of its artists grow into fully fledged companies of their own right.
This Two Words with Taku podcast episode was recorded virtually in December 2023 in Melbourne.
Follow Two Words with Taku at:
Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/">https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/</a>
Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/">https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/</a>
TikTok: <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@twowordswithtaku">https://www.tiktok.com/@twowordswithtaku</a>

115. AUSPICIOUS WRITING with Selene Bateman

Today's Two Words: YOUNG FIRE

In this episode, hear our first ever guest host Adongwot Manyoul in a conversation with Devon Lewis. He’s a pioneering IT professional and the Chapter Lead for Blacks in Technology Australia, a non-for-profit championing diversity and inclusion in the tech industry, providing invaluable resources, and a safe space for black professionals to connect.

Recorded in late November as an ode to World Youth Day, these two special people share their insights on leadership on their terms. They discuss everything from managing workplace friendships to curating your own social media algorithms to navigating fear when starting new challenges to how running 43km marathons can help instil you with professional discipline…and much more.

Our audience included writers, performers, filmmakers, a lawyer and a few Shout Out public speakers from the Centre for Multicultural Youth.

About Adongwot Manyoul

Adongwot Manyuol is an experienced communications professional, youth advocate, and thought leader. As a bi-cultural consultant, public speaker, radio host, and MC, her passions lie in supporting the community to achieve social cohesion through the elimination of racism and discrimination and promoting intergenerational dialogue.

As a South Sudanese-Australian woman, Adongwot speaks from a combination of experience navigating traditional and Western culture in Australia and her academic standing in Communications and Journalism. In 2019, Adongwot was awarded a Churchill Fellowship to travel the world investigating ways in which other Western Societies have successfully achieved social cohesion- the African Diaspora as the focal point to further bolster her contribution to the Australian fabric.

Adongwot now shares her stories and experiences to inspire and empower. She spends her time mentoring the youth, hosts a radio show that provokes conversation on a range of social justice issues, provides consultancy services to government and community organisations dedicated to change, and sits on a number of advisory and steering committees.

In 2022, Adongwot started a disruptive social enterprise, which aims to radically change the approach to racism/ diversity and inclusion training. Providing a series of workshops, seminars, and keynotes aimed at diverse age groups and divergent backgrounds, she explores the concepts of race and prejudice by walking in each other’s shoes through interactive activities and conversations that challenge young people to critically assess their identity.

About Devon Lewis

Devon Lewis, a resilient individual, has carved an extraordinary path from Guyana to Australia at the age of 17, making Melbourne his cherished home for nearly two decades. With a background in Telco as a Data/Geospatial analyst, he has transitioned his career towards two key pillars.

Firstly, Devon is a passionate advocate for diversity and inclusion in the tech industry, currently serving as the Chapter Lead for Blacks In Technology Australia, a non-profit. His leadership extends far beyond authority, emphasising empowerment and support.

Secondly, as an Implementation Lead at Coles Group, he skilfully manages IT projects, striving for optimal results and continuous improvement. His commitment to professional growth is evident through his pursuit of a Diploma in Project Management.

Beyond his professional endeavours, Devon's adventurous spirit is showcased in his love for challenging activities like hiking, camping, bush survival training, and marathon running. He firmly believes in the transformative power of venturing into the unknown, both in his personal and professional life.

Devon Lewis is a true testament to the rewards of embracing uncharted territories and unwavering growth.

This Two Words with Taku live podcast event was recorded in November 2023 in Melbourne. Thanks to the crew: Kishani, Rizky, and Ali from 24 Moons for hosting us.

Follow Two Words with Taku at:

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@twowordswithtaku

Today's Two Words: YOUNG FIRE
In this episode, hear our first ever guest host Adongwot Manyoul in a conversation with Devon Lewis. He’s a pioneering IT professional and the Chapter Lead for Blacks in Technology Australia, a non-for-profit championing diversity and inclusion in the tech industry, providing invaluable resources, and a safe space for black professionals to connect.
Recorded in late November as an ode to World Youth Day, these two special people share their insights on leadership on their terms. They discuss everything from managing workplace friendships to curating your own social media algorithms to navigating fear when starting new challenges to how running 43km marathons can help instil you with professional discipline…and much more.
Our audience included writers, performers, filmmakers, a lawyer and a few <a href="https://www.cmy.net.au/shout-out/">Shout Out public speakers</a> from the Centre for Multicultural Youth.
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About Adongwot Manyoul
<a href="https://www.adongwot.com/">Adongwot Manyuol</a> is an experienced communications professional, youth advocate, and thought leader. As a bi-cultural consultant, public speaker, radio host, and MC, her passions lie in supporting the community to achieve social cohesion through the elimination of racism and discrimination and promoting intergenerational dialogue. As a South Sudanese-Australian woman, Adongwot speaks from a combination of experience navigating traditional and Western culture in Australia and her academic standing in Communications and Journalism. In 2019, Adongwot was awarded a Churchill Fellowship to travel the world investigating ways in which other Western Societies have successfully achieved social cohesion- the African Diaspora as the focal point to further bolster her contribution to the Australian fabric. Adongwot now shares her stories and experiences to inspire and empower. She spends her time mentoring the youth, hosts a radio show that provokes conversation on a range of social justice issues, provides consultancy services to government and community organisations dedicated to change, and sits on a number of advisory and steering committees. In 2022, Adongwot started a disruptive social enterprise, which aims to radically change the approach to racism/ diversity and inclusion training. Providing a series of workshops, seminars, and keynotes aimed at diverse age groups and divergent backgrounds, she explores the concepts of race and prejudice by walking in each other’s shoes through interactive activities and conversations that challenge young people to critically assess their identity.
About Devon Lewis<a href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F809bbe78-bfd4-4ba9-a4b0-e46f8a7c566c_1000x420.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"></a>
Devon Lewis, a resilient individual, has carved an extraordinary path from Guyana to Australia at the age of 17, making Melbourne his cherished home for nearly two decades. With a background in Telco as a Data/Geospatial analyst, he has transitioned his career towards two key pillars. Firstly, Devon is a passionate advocate for diversity and inclusion in the tech industry, currently serving as the Chapter Lead for Blacks In Technology Australia, a non-profit. His leadership extends far beyond authority, emphasising empowerment and support. Secondly, as an Implementation Lead at Coles Group, he skilfully manages IT projects, striving for optimal results and continuous improvement. His commitment to professional growth is evident through his pursuit of a Diploma in Project Management. Beyond his professional endeavours, Devon's adventurous spirit is showcased in his love for challenging activities like hiking, camping, bush survival training, and marathon running. He firmly believes in the transformative power of venturing into the unknown, both in his personal and professional life. Devon Lewis is a true testament to the rewards of embracing uncharted territories and unwavering growth.
<hr>
This Two Words with Taku live podcast event was recorded in November 2023 in Melbourne. Thanks to the crew: Kishani, Rizky, and Ali from 24 Moons for hosting us.
Follow Two Words with Taku at:
Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/">https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/</a>
Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/">https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/</a>
TikTok: <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@twowordswithtaku">https://www.tiktok.com/@twowordswithtaku</a>

114. YOUNG FIRE with Adongwot Manyoul and Devon Lewis

Today's Two Words: FUNNY BUSINESS

In this episode, I’m joined by Janet McLeod, the Fairy Godmother of Melbourne Comedy. Janet runs Local Laughs, which at 20 years, is the longest running comedy room in Australia with a sole operator/programmer...and one of my fave spots to perform.

We discuss comedy in all its glory — what is comedy, really? What makes a great comedian? How do you filter out the a**holes to make comedy rooms safe workplaces? Janet shares all her magical insights and wisdom, much to our audience’s delight.

A special note: this episode was recorded a week before beautiful and kind Cal Wilson suddenly passed away. Cal is one of my comedy heroines and she introduced me to Janet after we met through The Moth storytelling community in Melbourne.

One of my favourite Cal memories is performing with her at Local Laughs in 2018 and she gave me the biggest hug after I got off the stage. So special!

In this episode, Janet and I speak of Cal’s kindness. I’m grateful to have met and worked with her and she’ll always be one of my faves.

ABOUT JANET MCLEOD

With over 25 years' experience producing and programming live shows, Janet's curatorial skills are frequently called upon by organisations and arts festivals across Australia and in the UK including Edinburgh Fringe, Melbourne International Comedy Festival, Glen Eira Storytelling Festival, Soho Theatre, Melbourne Fringe, and Fringe World in Perth.

She has managed over 60 separate projects in her professional career, including long-standing weekly comedy events Planet Comedy and Local Laughs. (Image credit: Alan Moyle — Local Laugh's 20th birthday celebration, June 2023)

An active champion of women in comedy, Janet was one of the originators of Upfront Comedy - now a hallmark event at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival - and has since produced all-women comedy show like Miss (you) and Frockin' Hilarious in Melbourne.

This Two Words with Taku live podcast event was recorded in October 2023 in Melbourne. Thanks to the crew: Jan, Oscar, and Ali from 24 Moons for hosting us.

Join our community at twowordswithtaku.substack.com and follow Two Words with Taku at:

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@twowordswithtaku

MY 2024 COMEDY SHOW

Shine My Light is my debut one-woman solo comedy show, presented in the week of International Women’s Day 2024. In my show, I’ll tackle motherhood, entrepreneurship, societal norms, and everything in between. All are welcome to my unique celebration of womanhood.

Dates: Mar 6 – Mar 10 AT La Mama Theatre, Melbourne

Buy tickets: https://lamama.com.au/whats-on/summer-2024/shine-my-light/

Today's Two Words: FUNNY BUSINESS
In this episode, I’m joined by Janet McLeod, the Fairy Godmother of Melbourne Comedy. Janet runs <a href="https://www.facebook.com/LocalLaughs/">Local Laughs</a>, which at 20 years, is the longest running comedy room in Australia with a sole operator/programmer...and one of my fave spots to perform.
We discuss comedy in all its glory — what is comedy, really? What makes a great comedian? How do you filter out the a**holes to make comedy rooms safe workplaces? Janet shares all her magical insights and wisdom, much to our audience’s delight.
A special note: this episode was recorded a week before beautiful and kind Cal Wilson suddenly passed away. Cal is one of my comedy heroines and she introduced me to Janet after we met through The Moth storytelling community in Melbourne.
One of my favourite Cal memories is performing with her at Local Laughs in 2018 and she gave me the biggest hug after I got off the stage. So special!
In this episode, Janet and I speak of Cal’s kindness. I’m grateful to have met and worked with her and she’ll always be one of my faves.
ABOUT JANET MCLEOD
With over 25 years' experience producing and programming live shows, Janet's curatorial skills are frequently called upon by organisations and arts festivals across Australia and in the UK including Edinburgh Fringe, Melbourne International Comedy Festival, Glen Eira Storytelling Festival, Soho Theatre, Melbourne Fringe, and Fringe World in Perth.
She has managed over 60 separate projects in her professional career, including long-standing weekly comedy events Planet Comedy and Local Laughs. (Image credit: Alan Moyle — Local Laugh's 20th birthday celebration, June 2023)
An active champion of women in comedy, Janet was one of the originators of Upfront Comedy - now a hallmark event at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival - and has since produced all-women comedy show like Miss (you) and Frockin' Hilarious in Melbourne.
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This Two Words with Taku live podcast event was recorded in October 2023 in Melbourne. Thanks to the crew: Jan, Oscar, and Ali from 24 Moons for hosting us.
Join our community at <a href="http://twowordswithtaku.substack.com/">twowordswithtaku.substack.com</a> and follow Two Words with Taku at:
Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/">https://www.facebook.com/TwoWordswithTaku/</a>
Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/">https://www.instagram.com/twowordswithtaku/</a>
TikTok: <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@twowordswithtaku">https://www.tiktok.com/@twowordswithtaku</a>
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MY 2024 COMEDY SHOW
<a href="https://lamama.com.au/whats-on/summer-2024/shine-my-light/">Shine My Light</a> is my debut one-woman solo comedy show, presented in the week of International Women’s Day 2024. In my show, I’ll tackle motherhood, entrepreneurship, societal norms, and everything in between. All are welcome to my unique celebration of womanhood.
Dates: Mar 6 – Mar 10 AT La Mama Theatre, Melbourne
Buy tickets: <a href="https://lamama.com.au/whats-on/summer-2024/shine-my-light/">https://lamama.com.au/whats-on/summer-2024/shine-my-light/</a>

98. Pitch Perfectin' with Producer and Filmmaker Sher-Li Tan

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