Liz and Michelle are joined in this episode by Toni Hargis to chat about recognising and dealing with sexism in today's world. A subject that author and columnist Toni covers in her book – How to Stand Up to Sexism.

They discuss why, even today, most of us still just accept sexism. As well as, how to empower ourselves, our daughters, and our sisters not to ignore or put up with it anymore. Explaining how we can embrace equity so we can all live in a gender-equal world without bias, stereotypes, and discrimination. They share practical, simple-to-implement ways to do exactly that. Things everyone, male or female, can do to turn the tide.

KEY TAKEAWAYS 
Sexism is treating one sex differently from the other to their disadvantage, which creates a toxic power balance.
As well as explaining to our girls what sexism looks like and how to deal with it, we need to educate our boys.
There is still a lot of passive sexism e.g. always asking the only woman in the meeting to take the notes.
When challenging sexism, what you say, how, and when all need to be weighed up. Toni´s book includes a range of approaches that can easily be adapted to each situation.
Eleanor Roosevelt said "No one can make you feel inferior without consent." She is right, people pick on submissive people.
Women are constantly told to be nice, so we tend to let people interrupt us, not let us speak, or ignore what we are saying.
Nobody says to men they can't have it all - but they will say that to women.
Sexism works against men too. It puts them in a box and restricts their choices.

Thank goodness for this book. It's a must-read for anyone who wants attitudes to change." Victoria Derbyshire, British journalist, newsreader and broadcaster.

BEST MOMENTS 

“It is education of what it (sexism) is, as well as educating boys not to behave in a certain way.”

“Everybody has to challenge it (sexism). If you´re standing back saying nothing, you´re part of the problem.”

“Younger women don't have the skills, experience, or confidence.”

“There´s a lot of emphasis at the moment on bystander intervention.”

“I thought it might be a man-bashing book. It is certainly not, quite the opposite.”

If you enjoyed this episode, please rate, and review it on your podcast platform. We read every email sent to us at twowomenchatting@gmail.com so please get in touch! Check out our supporting blogs on this topic at www.twowomenchatting.com.

EPISODE RESOURCES  

How to Stand Up to Sexism by Toni Summers Hargis

Laura Bate's TEDx about Sexism

Toni Hargis Twitter

Toni´s website

ABOUT THE GUEST – TONI HARGIS

Toni Summers Hargis is an author and columnist. She's got a law degree and a master's in Organisational Development and has spent years working in corporate HR training and organizational consulting. 

Toni has always been ardent and vocal about women's rights and equality. When her daughter recently entered the workplace, she was reminded again that despite the efforts of older women and society as a whole sexism was still a huge problem. A realisation that motivated her to write her book How To Stand Up to Sexism. 

It is a refreshingly down-to-earth and practical book that covers how to recognise and deal with sexism. Toni has written it in a way that equips anyone, male or female, to tackle the issue in an effective and safe way.

ABOUT THE HOSTS

Liz Copping is a networking pro & event consultant, leaping out of her comfort zone to co-host this podcast.

Lizcopping@outlook.com. insta @lizcoppingtwc

Michelle Ford is a professional voice actor and empty nester pressing reset, enjoying a new career in podcasting!

michelle@twowomenchatting.com. insta @michellefordtwc

CONTACT METHOD
https://www.instagram.com/twowomenchatting/
https://twitter.com/ChattingTwo
https://www.facebook.com/twowomenchatting

PODCAST DESCRIPTION

Join hosts Liz and Michelle redefining life over 50 as empty nesters, embracing the highs and lows of midlife with celebrity guests and experts, sharing a laugh on their podcast sofa. We talk about real concerns, issues, and fun topics that affect us, our friends, and our family. 

Midlife is not just about the menopause (although we’d be the first to admit it’s right up there!) but it is a time of adventure, change and reset - with plenty of opportunities and challenges along the way. 

Whether we’re chatting about ‘boomerang kids,’ diet failures (and occasional successes!), pro-ageing, travel, changing relationships, or inspiration for new jobs or activities, there’s always room for one more on our sofa.

Liz and Michelle are joined in this episode by Toni Hargis to chat about recognising and dealing with sexism in today's world. A subject that author and columnist Toni covers in her book – <a href="https://amzn.to/41PPJL6">How to Stand Up to Sexism</a>.
They discuss why, even today, most of us still just accept sexism. As well as, how to empower ourselves, our daughters, and our sisters not to ignore or put up with it anymore. Explaining how we can embrace equity so we can all live in a gender-equal world without bias, stereotypes, and discrimination. They share practical, simple-to-implement ways to do exactly that. Things everyone, male or female, can do to turn the tide.
KEY TAKEAWAYS 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Sexism is treating one sex differently from the other to their disadvantage, which creates a toxic power balance.</li>
<li aria-level="1">As well as explaining to our girls what sexism looks like and how to deal with it, we need to educate our boys.</li>
<li aria-level="1">There is still a lot of passive sexism e.g. always asking the only woman in the meeting to take the notes.</li>
<li aria-level="1">When challenging sexism, what you say, how, and when all need to be weighed up. Toni´s book includes a range of approaches that can easily be adapted to each situation.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Eleanor Roosevelt said "No one can make you feel inferior without consent." She is right, people pick on submissive people.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Women are constantly told to be nice, so we tend to let people interrupt us, not let us speak, or ignore what we are saying.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Nobody says to men they can't have it all - but they will say that to women.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Sexism works against men too. It puts them in a box and restricts their choices.</li>
</ul>
Thank goodness for this book. It's a must-read for anyone who wants attitudes to change." Victoria Derbyshire, British journalist, newsreader and broadcaster.
BEST MOMENTS 
“It is education of what it (sexism) is, as well as educating boys not to behave in a certain way.”
“Everybody has to challenge it (sexism). If you´re standing back saying nothing, you´re part of the problem.”
“Younger women don't have the skills, experience, or confidence.”
“There´s a lot of emphasis at the moment on bystander intervention.”
“I thought it might be a man-bashing book. It is certainly not, quite the opposite.”
If you enjoyed this episode, please rate, and review it on your podcast platform. We read every email sent to us at twowomenchatting@gmail.com so please get in touch! Check out our supporting blogs on this topic at <a href="http://www.twowomenchatting.com">www.twowomenchatting.com</a>.
EPISODE RESOURCES  
<a href="https://amzn.to/3JgIO67">How to Stand Up to Sexism by Toni Summers Hargis</a>
<a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/laura_bates_everyday_sexism?language=en">Laura Bate's TEDx about Sexism</a>
<a href="https://twitter.com/ToniHargis?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor">Toni Hargis Twitter</a>
<a href="http://www.tonisummershargis.co.uk/">Toni´s website</a> 
ABOUT THE GUEST – TONI HARGIS
Toni Summers Hargis is an author and columnist. She's got a law degree and a master's in Organisational Development and has spent years working in corporate HR training and organizational consulting. 
Toni has always been ardent and vocal about women's rights and equality. When her daughter recently entered the workplace, she was reminded again that despite the efforts of older women and society as a whole sexism was still a huge problem. A realisation that motivated her to write her book How To Stand Up to Sexism. 
It is a refreshingly down-to-earth and practical book that covers how to recognise and deal with sexism. Toni has written it in a way that equips anyone, male or female, to tackle the issue in an effective and safe way.
ABOUT THE HOSTS
Liz Copping is a networking pro &amp; event consultant, leaping out of her comfort zone to co-host this podcast.
<a href="mailto:Lizcopping@outlook.com">Lizcopping@outlook.com</a>. insta @lizcoppingtwc
Michelle Ford is a professional voice actor and empty nester pressing reset, enjoying a new career in podcasting!
<a href="mailto:michelle@twowomenchatting.com">michelle@twowomenchatting.com</a>. insta @michellefordtwc
CONTACT METHOD
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.instagram.com/twowomenchatting/">https://www.instagram.com/twowomenchatting/</a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://twitter.com/ChattingTwo">https://twitter.com/ChattingTwo</a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/twowomenchatting">https://www.facebook.com/twowomenchatting</a></li>
</ul>
PODCAST DESCRIPTION
Join hosts Liz and Michelle redefining life over 50 as empty nesters, embracing the highs and lows of midlife with celebrity guests and experts, sharing a laugh on their podcast sofa. We talk about real concerns, issues, and fun topics that affect us, our friends, and our family. 
Midlife is not just about the menopause (although we’d be the first to admit it’s right up there!) but it is a time of adventure, change and reset - with plenty of opportunities and challenges along the way. 
Whether we’re chatting about ‘boomerang kids,’ diet failures (and occasional successes!), pro-ageing, travel, changing relationships, or inspiration for new jobs or activities, there’s always room for one more on our sofa.

Join hosts Liz and Michelle redefining life over 50 as empty nesters, embracing the highs and lows of midlife with celebrity guests and experts, sharing a laugh on their podcast sofa. We talk about real concerns, issues and fun topics that affect us, our friends and our family.

Midlife is not just about the menopause (although we’d be the first to admit it’s right up there!) but it is a time of adventure, change and reset - with plenty of opportunities and challenges along the way.  

Whether we’re chatting about ‘boomerang kids’, diet failures (and occasional successes!), pro-ageing, travel, changing relationships or inspiration for new jobs or activities, there’s always room for one more on our sofa.

Our Listener Lounge is full of people like YOU and us: midlifers who might struggle a little with an empty nest but who are redefining the way they live through health, wealth, jobs, ‘pretirement’ and relationships. You can find the Listener Lounge on our website, along with lots of resources, blogs and expert advice.

Don’t forget to subscribe/follow on your favourite podcast platform or via our website www.twowomenchatting.com



If you like our show please review/comment/send ideas for content or guests to our email at twowomenchatting@gmail.com.

We read EVERYTHING and love to hear from you!



Liz & Michelle

TWC Co-hosts

xoxox

Join hosts Liz and Michelle redefining life over 50 as empty nesters, embracing the highs and lows of midlife with celebrity guests and experts, sharing a laugh on their podcast sofa. We talk about real concerns, issues and fun topics that affect us, our friends and our family.
Midlife is not just about the menopause (although we’d be the first to admit it’s right up there!) but it is a time of adventure, change and reset - with plenty of opportunities and challenges along the way.  
Whether we’re chatting about ‘boomerang kids’, diet failures (and occasional successes!), pro-ageing, travel, changing relationships or inspiration for new jobs or activities, there’s always room for one more on our sofa.
Our Listener Lounge is full of people like YOU and us: midlifers who might struggle a little with an empty nest but who are redefining the way they live through health, wealth, jobs, ‘pretirement’ and relationships. You can find the Listener Lounge on our website, along with lots of resources, blogs and expert advice.
Don’t forget to subscribe/follow on your favourite podcast platform or via our website <a href="www.twowomenchatting.com">www.twowomenchatting.com</a>
 
If you like our show please review/comment/send ideas for content or guests to our email at <a href="mailto:twowomenchatting@gmail.com">twowomenchatting@gmail.com</a>.
We read EVERYTHING and love to hear from you!
 
Liz &amp; Michelle
TWC Co-hosts
xoxox

Two Women Chatting

Join hosts Liz and Michelle redefining life over 50 as empty nesters, embracing the highs and lows of midlife with celebrity guests and experts, sharing a laugh on their podcast sofa. We talk about real concerns, issues and fun topics that affect us, our friends and our family.

Midlife is not just about the menopause (although we’d be the first to admit it’s right up there!) but it is a time of adventure, change and reset - with plenty of opportunities and challenges along the way.  

Whether we’re chatting about ‘boomerang kids’, diet failures (and occasional successes!), pro-ageing, travel, changing relationships or inspiration for new jobs or activities, there’s always room for one more on our sofa.

Our Listener Lounge is full of people like YOU and us: midlifers who might struggle a little with an empty nest but who are redefining the way they live through health, wealth, jobs, ‘pretirement’ and relationships. You can find the Listener Lounge on our website, along with lots of resources, blogs and expert advice.

Don’t forget to subscribe/follow on your favourite podcast platform or via our website www.twowomenchatting.com

If you like our show please review/comment/send ideas for content or guests to our email at twowomenchatting@gmail.com.

We read EVERYTHING and love to hear from you!



Liz & Michelle

TWC Co-hosts

xoxox

Join hosts Liz and Michelle redefining life over 50 as empty nesters, embracing the highs and lows of midlife with celebrity guests and experts, sharing a laugh on their podcast sofa. We talk about real concerns, issues and fun topics that affect us, our friends and our family.
Midlife is not just about the menopause (although we’d be the first to admit it’s right up there!) but it is a time of adventure, change and reset - with plenty of opportunities and challenges along the way.  
Whether we’re chatting about ‘boomerang kids’, diet failures (and occasional successes!), pro-ageing, travel, changing relationships or inspiration for new jobs or activities, there’s always room for one more on our sofa.
Our Listener Lounge is full of people like YOU and us: midlifers who might struggle a little with an empty nest but who are redefining the way they live through health, wealth, jobs, ‘pretirement’ and relationships. You can find the Listener Lounge on our website, along with lots of resources, blogs and expert advice.
Don’t forget to subscribe/follow on your favourite podcast platform or via our website <a href="www.twowomenchatting.com">www.twowomenchatting.com</a>
If you like our show please review/comment/send ideas for content or guests to our email at <a href="mailto:twowomenchatting@gmail.com">twowomenchatting@gmail.com</a>.
We read EVERYTHING and love to hear from you!
 
Liz &amp; Michelle
TWC Co-hosts
xoxox

Michelle and Liz are joined in this episode by Toni Hargis to chat about recognising and dealing with sexism in today's world. A subject Toni covers in her new book – How to Stand Up to Sexism.

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