Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra JudgeWas Shannon really the “most authentic” this season? Did filming with John ultimately lead to the end of her relationship?
Plus, was Tamra out of line for snapping at Andy?
The RHOC reunion conversation continues…
Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Camra Jeedge.
Okay, so we are on for our final episode talking about Orange County for this season to teas in a Pod and a sea. We are so grateful to have you, Cynthia and all of your hot takes. All Right, So we're going to go through these best moments best slash worst moments for some. But it starts off where Shannon says on camera John was ready to take the next step but dumped her after filming ended. Emily says that Shannon shares things with people she's on a show with, then acts like she doesn't understand how the show works. Do we agree with Emily and that if you're on a reality show, everything is fair game if it's shared between the cast.
I think if you choose to be on the show, you know, everything is fair game. Like for the most part. The only time I will say you're crossing the line is anything with kids, anything, it's kind of crossing line.
Yeah, I mean I would have to agree with you and say, like, if you're on a show, I know personally, if I'm going to tell Emily, Gina, Heather, anybody anything, there is a chance it's gonna be brought up later on the show.
Now it's true you have.
Alliances with certain people on the show.
I can't take the word alliances.
You have ships with certain people on the show, and maybe you you don't repeat certain things, like if I have a friendship with Shannon and sometimes we talk and we don't talk about the show, has nothing to do with the show. And you know, if if I'm going and telling this to somebody that's not necessarily my good friend on the show, I got a good drink on purpose, I gotta believe it's gonna come back and hit me the face.
Yeah, so you know, I think it's just smart.
Don't put anything in writing, don't say anything you don't want repeated.
Yeah, it's a slippery slope, especially when you're actually on a show with someone, because you know, there's certain things that if it plays out and it's just the truth of what's happening, it's hard to be like, no, that didn't happen, and then they show a flashback of it happening. So I've gone through great links to try to protect my friendships on the show as much as I could. And then when I couldn't. It's kind of like, all right, well, I'm gonna sit this one out because I can't protect you. But I like, there's things that have happened on and off the show in some of our relationships that I will literally take to the grave, like, no matter what they say about me, too, will not do it because that's just the kind of friend I am the off show, that's just me.
But then once it is exposed, it is up to that current housewife to then own up to those things versus blame everybody else for those things happening, because clearly.
And that's what I dealt with this year. As soon as it was brought up and I put my two cents in, I'm getting blamed.
This is a lie.
You're lying.
No, I'm not lying. I mean I felt like this sad part for this was and I'm not saying I would be any different. But do you think that John enjoyed being on the show when everything was great for him and he was getting that good everybody was loving him?
Right, Well, let me ask you this question. Do don't most people enjoy being on the show. Don't most people that have never been on TV and all of a sudden you're on TV and everybody's praising you, and you're getting special treatment and you know, getting reservations wherever you want. Yeah, I think most people love being on the show.
I agree, it's so good. It's a great experience for them. It's only when the bread dot is on their head.
But then, but then when things flip and then everybody sees you for who you are and hate you, then it's not fun on this show.
Yeah.
I mean, what I do appreciate about John is he doesn't seem to be like one that's going on social media, commenting, doing all the things. And that's similar to like Shane. When Shane had his bad episode, like his bad season when him and Emily first came on, Shane wasn't going on and trying to fight like a fight like she knew he came on as you know, a say, where was Shane? Nor is Shane.
I can't stand when the guys get on there on social media and try to defend themselves like little bitches. I just can't stand it.
I can't stand that John was over there like yeah, fighting for scenes. I made it literally seem like every time he popped up on the screen. It was probably like, oh my god, I just didn't feel like you ever really wanted to shoot. Yeah.
Do you think he was trying to protect Shannon? Do you think yeah, he was telling her I want to marry you and leading her on and doing those things because he didn't want to hurt her on teletoon.
You know how time?
Do you know how many times my husband says has said things on camera when you get put on the spot.
Then I'm like, what do you talk afterwards?
Why would you even say that? And he's like, I didn't know what to say, Like I didn't know what to say.
Edwin said the worst thing ever to me on camera, still to this day, this worst thing he's ever said to me in the history of our relationship. He said it to me on my first season and it was never shown. And still to this day, I think my lucky stars because men go in, they clamp up, and then they say stupid shit that in real life you can laugh off or say, go yourself, Yeah, but I think those men can't think ten steps ahead.
And when you're playing, when you're on the show, you have to If I say this, like, am I going to get like a flashback of me doing that?
You know what I mean.
Like, so like Eddie doesn't think he does well, whatever he says, whatever he wants to say, and sometimes look like why would you say that?
And I think I think the women on the show are just a little bit more aware of how the smallest thing can turn into a big thing. So we're like, I don't really like self edit, but we're not stupid. It after like a couple of seasons, like there's nothing like first season where you're like, Okay, I get it now.
I get it now. Yeah, I will say.
Eddie got to know John a little bit while we were filming, and I asked him, I said, do you feel like he's just once camera time? He goes, No, not at all. I don't feel like he's I don't get that impression from him.
I'm just gonna say it. Man, just don't seem like he's as in love with Shannon as Shannon is the man. That's just what I'm saying. I'm just saying two people, two great people that just don't work together.
Well, it seems like they have a very toxic relationship and you throw alcohol and you throw TV cameras in front of it, and it's not gonna end, Well.
What about?
To me? This was a really big red And listen, every time I've ever been around Shannon, I have absolutely loved She has been nothing but kind and funny, she loves to make herself too seriously all of these things. But when she started making the proclamations on this second episode where I'm just.
Gonna be sharing storms with dor and I'm doing this show but I've shown more than everybody else and I did this and I did that, I wonder like, is she doing this because she's feeling so down in this moment that she's just going to throw out anything she can, or like, why.
Was that happening?
I disagreed when she did that and said I did this. We've all done a lot of things. I've been on the show for thirteen fourteen, I don't remember how many years, thirteen years, and I've gone through a lot. Gina's gone through a lot. A lot of us have gone through a lot on the show. So's she's not doing any better than anybody else.
So yeah, I agree. I agree. When I saw it, I was like, I've literally given the blood out of my veins to Atlanta, Okay, to divorces my child came out flew them the show like anything that really happened in my life. I gave it to the Real House of Atlanta. And I did it because I signed up to be on the show, right, So you don't get like an extra point for actually showing your reality. And I think, you know, some things are harder to show than others, like and that's it really is good TV when it actually is thankful to actually show it go through it. But we we've all done that, and that's what a reality story is.
I all issue with people talking about themselves and the third person. I just I do too, I really, I it just I don't know why it makes me feel a certain way, but I'm like, please, please don't do that. And also I can't help myself. I don't call her Shannon storms the Door. I don't. I just call her Shan.
Do you call him John Jensen, John Johns.
I do call him John Jansen. I do. But the next part that left me feeling a little bit confused, is it not only does she keep breaking the fourth wall and saying, you know, this is a television show and blah blah blah, and I've given this. I was like, this is kind of a kiss of death when you start saying those things and then they're actually airing it. But then when she bold face said she doesn't like Gina, I I know there are moments where I'm like, this person isn't my favorite, or we're probably not friends, or we're not that close. But has there ever been a person to either of you guys, that you have said that about on a show, or that you feel that way to this day where you could just because even my biggest issue when I was on Beverly Hills, the person who everyone knows, I still wouldn't say I just don't like you. I would say, like, we have.
Issues, You're not my type of girl.
It's all I have to say.
There's a way to say it, for sure. But you know what I learned early on on being in Atlanta was there is some comfort in knowing if you just really don't like me, because that way I can just navigate around you. You just put it out there and that's what it is. Then it's easy to go against you. It's easy to hold you on fire time like it's it's actually a blessed to be like, okay, so we're not gonna be we're gonna be enemies on the ship. So this is clear, because the relationships gets super confusing sometimes when you're on a show together. It really really does. So if you're just gonna declare yourself and put it out there you don't like me, then okay. If you don't like me, and I don't feel like I've really done anything where I can't at least get a chance for us to try to work on a relationship, all right, let's go. You don't like me, then I don't really focus any energy on you.
Wait, don't you think that can shift? Like I toually think that at the beginning me and Erica, the two of us did not like one another. And I can say with one hundred percent certainty that shifted.
Yeah, But isn't that the nature of the show. We see friendships go up and down, You get to know people.
Do you like him? Yeah, maybe not at this.
Moment, Maybe you do next week. But you know, Shannon says she's like Gina because she accused Shannon of masking her divorce with alcohol. To me, that was just Gina's opinion. That was one statement that Gina made that made Shannon in her head.
Go, I don't like you.
That's the reason why I don't like you. I mean, I don't feel like that's a valid reason. I don't know, it's not enough, but I do feel when it comes to the show, if anything is said to Shannon about drinking, it's very much a trigger to her to dislike somebody.
Which is actually the hardest part of this discussion. You know. I think even when we saw leading into this episode where it's like this happened two weeks prior to shan'sy like all of it, it's just incredibly heartbreaking. I do believe that everybody makes mistakes, and clearly this was hers, but toppled with bringing up Gina's kids, bold face, saying you don't like Gina, all of it, it just it gave me the ink where it's like, I feel like, listen, do I think that all three of us on this podcast can do up things? One hundred percent?
Yeah, there's nobody on the cast I can say I dislike or hate nobody.
Yeah, no one at all.
I mean, even the problems with me and Jhen, I don't hate her. I don't at all. I don't like what went down the season. I feel bad for some of the things, but I also hold her accountable as well, So you know, you don't go on a reality show with all this baggage and think, oh, it's not gonna come on the show.
No one's gonna know, Well what about you.
I just feel like with any job, any situation with women, some people are just gonna connect with more than others. You're just gonna like more than others. It just is what it is. Is you know everyone you know, don't They don't have to like each other. I think there's a certain respect that has to happen between each other if they're going to co exist on a show like this. But I can honestly say there were definitely times where, you know, I was around people that probably didn't really like me, and I didn't really care for them, but I need to publicly say for them. No, I would never say I don't like this person's.
That was just trying to hurt somebody. That's like, that's not Shane. That's like what.
It was, and it came off hurtful the way the way she delivered it was very hurtful. Now they're sitting together and it's like, hey, you know what, I just don't really feel like I've connected with you. It's not that I don't like you, but I don't like what we are and I don't feel in connection with you, which is pretty much basically, you're not my girl, You're not my cup of tea whatever.
I also think you say things at the reunion, like my comment back to Jen Jen was defensive, where I say you're a piece of shit or something like that, or your horrible person, and I I go cheater like that because I knew that bugged her, even though I didn't give a shit about her cheat and her husband. So that part right there, like sometimes you come back with things because you're just pissed off because two seconds before that, I said, I think you're a wonderful person.
Yeah, it's like so sometimes, well, I asked, I actually asked Emily, I said, what is your biggest regret from this reunion? And she said, my biggest regret is that I allow Heather to annoy me so badly that I laughed out at her instead of arguing with her calmly and coolly. If I could have kept my cool with her, I could have gotten my point across better, and I let my anger come out as aggression versus just Emily don't stop.
That's why you're good TV. Emily is a top tier housewife. She's doing all the things she's supposed to do, but.
Then her face, my la. Her other thing that she said to me is and by the way, let everybody know that Judy is the new Karen.
I'm going to start using Judy Judy. I don't think I know any duties.
I don't I know a Judith. Does that count? Yes? But either way, then we get into Emily tells Heather that she has no sense of humor. Heather says that is rude, and Emily said it is rude to call her snuffle up. I guess they go back and forth. Okay, I think there's a difference, and tell me if I'm wrong. I think there's a difference between having a sense of humor and also not taking yourself too seriously. I think you can be funny but also take yourself too seriously. And I think that's where these it was lost in translation here. Yeah, I think Heather.
I think Heather does have a sense of humor one percent. I've spent a lot of time with her. She's funny. But I think what Heather Heather's very sensitive, so little things really really hurt her. Like one time I asked her, I said, why are you mad? What did you think that? I said, like you said, you know, every episode I said something negative about you, and she said to me, well, you told me to eat and I went, what like that? That to me was like, you need to eat, Like we're filming and sometimes we don't eat when we film. You need to eat, you need energy.
But the problem is that because of things that have been written online are the things. But that's what I'm saying. I don't know that.
I don't think that, Like I'm just saying, you need to eat. And so I'm saying my point is she's sensitive and maybe because somebody has said to her you're too thin or you're whatever, and it was a trigger to her. And I'm like, oh, I didn't know that, Like, that's not what my point was. But so she's very sensitive, very very sensitive, and I think, more so this season was more sensitive than I've ever seen her. And she agrees she's going.
My favorite quote of this entire reunion was what Emily says that Heather called Tamra an asshole, and Heather goes, she is an asshole and then turns to Tamra and says, and I love you and sometimes you are an asshole, and Charmer says, but we were on good terms better an asshole. Yet I don't even I don't.
Even remember what we were talking about exactly then, but uh, I can't even remember.
I don't know if it was.
Was it about the coming out of the bathroom and talking to the old producer and she looked at us and said, get me off this show.
I think that's what it wows. It was a little slice of Heaven't.
Yeah, but it was like I had even been an asshole too.
And I love that moment because I mean true be told, I mean you definitely are an asshole a lot. Yeah, and that actually, for some reason, HiT's different than me said I don't like you for some reason perspective, It's like I rest somebody called me an asshole, then tell me they just actually don't like me.
Also, did you notice that like with the filming when they were like asshole, like they they like their mouths like I was like, oh my god, yeah, but yeah, no.
I don't know a vocabulary in general, like vocabulary like the word like she like when she like when her breaths are very much like, okay, let me google this.
Well, I know she's super smart. That's why I started calling her. That's why I started calling her fancy pants years ago. I'm like, I don't know can you can you dumb it down? I don't know what you're talking about?
Please know how to respond? Like I was like, I don't think I would want to spar with her because I don't even know how what she's saying. Yeah, she's very intelligent.
Well, she did have a good way of kind of like Andy would start a question and then she would finish the question to her favor. I was like, you're good. Can we I don't even know if I'm skipping around, but can we talk?
I don't know where you're at this point.
Well I've skipped because I got too excited. When Tarama snapped at Andy.
Who okay, listen, so he had he had asked a question that was and then he goes and says like, well, in twenty twenty two, you had said things about them. I'm like, really, let me answer the question. It's like me saying, but Teddy, in twenty twenty two, he said something bad about me like, I'm like, why are you trying to like change this scenario.
What did you say? Like, you said two things like golf and stop it. You need to shut up? You say to shut up.
She also said I think you send dick pics.
We but I have that kind of relationship with Andy where I can go back and forth with him afterwards, like he didn't say a word. Then we were at Watch Happens Live and Eddie's like, oh, I heard my wife went after you. He goes, that's nothing like we laughed about it. There's people out there going, oh, she's gonna lose her job now she went up against Annie. No, that's good.
Now that's how he just tells me. He leaves you. Yeah, but he was like, all right, fair, it's fair.
Well, I had made a point that you know, when I was off the show, it was okay for Real House in Orange County to continue to They talked about me in every single episode the year I was gone, every single episode, and it was the girl saying things like she's satan, she's this, and all these things. So do you think, knowing me, I'm gonna sit back and just go, oh, okay, I'm not gonna say a word about that. So, yeah, I did say things. I absolutely said things, and I told Andy, I go, is that okay?
He's like, hmmm, I get your point now, Well I was thinking right when you did it, I was like, shit, has camera snapped at me like that yet? I don't think you have.
No, I don't have anything to argue with you about.
Well, let's let's let's find something. Do you think I would cry if you did? What would my response be?
It depends. If you're drunk, you just get mean, true facts. Drunk she has Oh she has this where she's funny. Yeah, yeah, fun and then when it's too much alcohol, it's mean, mean, mean mean And I know not now, I know not.
To take it seriously. Yeah, I mean we saw it once, but that's I mean, it's it's lucky. I get two times a year where I can do it.
I'm happy, I'm a happy and then very sleepy drunk.
Yeah, I'm happy, sloppy sleepy.
I don't know.
We also so we saw napkin throwing.
Happy, sloppy mean sleepy?
How's that camera? What is what is your biggest regret of the season coming back? What is your biggest regret?
I think probably the you know how in detailed the gen stuff god and how it just got rep that was like I should have said my piece, said whatever and just let it go. I think throwing the napkin in her face was probably that, like the best thing. When she said to me like I had the hots for her boyfriend, I'm like, no, sweetie, I have a pretty hot husband.
In the moment when you threw the napkin, because I couldn't talk to you about this stuff during filming when you threw the napkin, did you notice in the moment, shit, I just really screwed this up or we were like, she's not not in the moment. Not in the moment.
I was too drunk, and part of my problem was the season as I drank too much and as you know, I'm like, I'm not much of a drinker, like I.
Love Yeah, yeah, that's such a real thing. And for me, like one of my biggest regrets on the eleven years I did Atlanta is when I actually kicked Porsche like I still to this day like hate. Then I was drinking too. We're on the boat and yeah eaten, and I was going through whatever I was going through and till this day, that's like, how did I let myself do that? And thank god we were able to just get on the other side of it really quickly and move on. But that is one go down my biggest regret.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think I think all in all, we saw the positives of every single woman on Orange County and we also saw some negatives for each one of them, which is where I think, you know, you have a dynamic cast. And I think towards the end when Tamra and Heather kind of have the moment and Tamra says she's always loved Heather and it's very difficult to not have Heather in her life, and Tamra said she wants to move forward, and then Heather says something along the lines of like you're my housewife, vampire. We're like, I'm going to get it wrong, but like you suck my blood, and then I, you know, whatever it made.
Yeah, yeah, she's been telling me that from day one, for ten years or however long it's been I've done her.
But I actually think it's truth. I think that, but you guys are so different but also so similar in certain ways. Yeah, that it really makes dynamic television. It doesn't feel like a television friendship. Even though you guys aren't always in the best place. Like you guys are actually trying to be the most authentic that you can be, and your most authentic self will sometimes drive each other freakin' mad.
I think we've never had a problem. We've always had a really good friendship. I think coming back knowing, you know, not knowing where my place was, knowing that those things were said on the podcast, and then hearing from other cast members that you know, what was said about me from her, it really spun my head. And of course I'm coming back and I want to make a statement. You know this this show. I'm not saying I'm coming back just to make a statement, but you're a little bit more heightened, just a little bit, and I think that you know, these are things that you have in your back pocket that you're like, you know, what are we doing?
What are we talking about?
Do you like me?
Do you not like me? Like?
We went over this a million times, so now I don't think we'll ever go back to that. We're going to lunch next week. I'm going to La hopefully seeing one of her two houses that she bought in la hopefully both of them, and just you know, taken it back to where it was. I think dislikes you the most, Jen, probably, but I think Jen knows I'm right. You know, Jen reached out to Taylor to ask how I was, and you know, she could have easily reached out to me directly. She knows I would never like go off on her, even though she probably was afraid because she knows that her and Ryan both have been going after me in the press. And you know, as much as I don't like it and it's coming out of left field, I don't understand it, It's not the best look for her.
I really wish Jen had spoken up more in the season about like like, I would have liked to have seen you guys like go through all this more on camera because friendship was very, very confusing for me. And what you know, the reason why I was kind of like, you know, team Jen a lot Indian was because she said it and once you know, everybody made it clear that this guy was you guys didn't think that he was a great guy for her. I felt like I never saw scenes where Jen was asking for you guys opinions in the first place, like like she was like sitting you guys, you guys, what should I do? Like I never saw saying what she seemed like she actually wanted.
Wanted any feedback.
Yeah, but other, don't you feel like other than her scenes with Ryan, she really didn't get into the mix much at all. Well, I think didn't have a lot to say to any of the girls.
Well, I think then.
She talked about it with Gina a little bit and they talked about something else.
I can't Oh, well that where Gina was really upsetting because she cheated and all those things. I think we have to understand who Jen is outside of a relationship with Ryan, because that's all we have seen so only seeing a like frant like, if you only see me and Edwin to you're gonna see Yeah, you're gonna see fifty percent of who I am. But if you see me outside of my relationship with that, I'm not gonna say I'm a different person, but you're gonna see a whole nother layer.
Yeah.
And if you only see somebody through somebody else's eyes and what you want, you know, people to see, it's it's not authentic. And that's what I think we're missing. I want her to.
That's you know, that's such a good point because when I came on with Peter, my husband who I married my first season on the show, Peter has a very big TV personality. I got drowned by him. Like, you know, it's like I was like, oh, you know, Cynthia doesn't have a boy, she doesn't have this whatever whatever, because he was just such a strong personality, was always like barking all the time and like you know, making you know, his two cents known. And that was at a time where the men really weren't even doing that on the show. So he like definitely came in hot, but that's just who he is, and it just made me On one hand, I guess people were like, oh my god, it's so you know, they would think, well, he's helping her be you know, imported on the show. But at the same time, it was hurting me at the same time because I didn't have a voice, I was weak because you know, it felt like he was kind of running a lot of things. So you know, it could go either way with that whole thing, and I feel like the Brian they can definitely outshadow who, you know.
Who whatever it is. We're watching at this point, and I think if she can come in and and possibly build a real relationship with somebody on the show, I think there is a future for her. But I think right now she's just dabbing her feet wherever, like you know, wherever she can.
Like I think, unfortunately what's going on in social media and things I've heard, I think that she's gonna want to come back this season continuing this. You know this, all this stuff about Ryan, and I'm telling you right now, I'm not going there. I said what I had to say. I'm done with it.
Move on.
We don't even want to see too much more.
I know nobody, but I feel like that's that's gonna happen.
Yeah, I think you just say I don't care. You guys are have you're happy. I want to hear another word about it, and then if you need me when he cheats again, I'm.
Here, Like you guys seriously have to close it in the first episode and be like, okay, sit down, have that drink, go on the boat. You guys love going boats and staff have a conversation. It's done, and then we hear no more about it, and then she has to show us some other staff like, yeah, but I would like to see her get a second season because first seasons hard, like you just don't know what you're doing, honestly, and then Ryan up so much of her story that you know, we were just like okay, whatever.
Yeah, Like I try, like if you're happy, then you know, more power to you. And I hope to see I hope to see another side of you, guys, because.
What I'm not you guys, just her. We don't need to know so much about him. I don't watch the housewives to watch the husbands.
He thinks he's a cast member, like a full blown cast member.
Well, he should have shown up to the reunion, because if you're a cast member and you don't come to the reunion, you get fined.
You know.
Could you imagine it?
Literally every episode they literally added Peter to a lineup, each of them.
Could you imagine me and Eddie after every episode going, let's recap this episode, what do you think, Gutty? He would rather poke his eyeballs out Peter.
They had him right there the whole time, and I was like, he gave him a nickname. Patricia was like crazy for the next ten years. Oh god, this is crazy.
Oh my gosh, well you guys. I had so much fun with you. Cynthia. We appreciate you stepping in and doing all that you do. We want you to keep coming on with us. And Tamra, thank you so much for entertaining us this season. Oh I'm so glad it over.
Guys.
We needed you do it.
No, you definitely killed it. The season would not have been the same without you. Even when I was like, oh man, what is happening like, it was like it just moved the season and I'm hooked. I'm invested in you, guys, regardless of whether I recap or not.
She's gonna keep watching, whether she's getting paid.
I gotta see what's gonna I'm ready some peace yye guys, good luck, good luck with that peace camera. Now I have to deal with you all right.
Bye guys, Bye,
