Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra JudgeTamra’s back and here we go! The reunion came in hot and Tamra’s fired up to talk about it.
What REALLY went down between Tamra and Heather? And what did Tamra think of her behavior this season?
Then, Tamra explains the backstory of her friendship with Jenn and how it all went sideways.
Two teas in a pod, which Teddy Mellencamp and camera judge to get through Fury Union. We needed a drink.
Well I can't drink, guys. Oh well, well it's probalypos. It's just clear, although it was a clear liquid, right yeah.
True. Well, guys, I guess we already got started for a second. But here we are another episode of two teas in a pod and a sea, but this time it's all three of us.
I know, I'm so excited to be back. It seems like it's been forever. I am so glad that OC is over with. I appreciate you feeling in for me. You did an amazing job. Even though I didn't listen.
Thank you, I just didn't.
I know that, Teddy, I know that you guys were doing your job. So I'm like, I'm diving it myself, all ruffled up because I wanted to hear it.
But I saw.
Clips and heard from my assistant and all that that you did an amazing job.
I get it. I get it, and I've had I've enjoyed doing this. You know, it was fun watching you guys this season, and you know, I thought was a great season.
I'm good. Thank you. Well, I'm just so glad you decided to grace this with your presence right during the reunion, because that seemed effortless for you. Oh yeah, the.
Last month has been effortless, forming the worst month of my life.
Okay, So first and foremost, Tamra just got out of the hospital. How are you feeling? What's the update? Are you on ozempic?
No, I'm not on ozempic Nope. So basically what happened about three I can't even remember. I've lost track of time. Three to four weeks ago, I got severely sick in Scotland, severely sick. I'm like, this is how I'm dying. I'm not dying because the trader is going to kill me. I'm dying because.
I'm so sick.
And so I went through that. I rallied, I had some days off, I rallied and went through with it. I started getting these intestinal issues. Originally it was upper respiratory, lost my voice, couldn't felt hard to breathe. I thought I was ended up in a respirator. Then it went to intestinal pain. I finished, came home and the pain didn't go away, and it kept getting worse and worse and then finally Eddy goes on Sunday. It was all day on Sunday, doubled over pain between my rips. You need to go to the hospital. Now, I have a history of intestinal issues. I had a major emergency surgery ten plus years ago. Well, evidently that surgery left me with a ton of scar tissue and that's what's causing my intestinal obstructions.
So did the surgery that you recently had, did that help matters or did it make things worse?
Do you think, well, it took out a lot of that. So the surgery I had last December was reconstructive surgery from the surgery had ten plus years ago. He removed a lot of the scar tissue. Removed the scar because it was split right down my stomach, went right through my belly button. My belly button was pretty much sewn up. And he also found another hernia which was the size of a quarter, so he sewed that up, which eventually my intestines would have went through that and I would they would have been strangled, and then I'd be in the emergency surgery all over again. So fast forward to now, this is an issue that I'm going to be having the rest of my life. So there's scar tissue in my intestines. The first time I had surgery, part of my testines were dying. They had to and there was a tear in it so they had to repair it. So all that when you have abominal surgery, it causes scar tissue.
So it started with a hernia.
It started.
It started with a hernia that would hiatal hernia that I did not take care of, didn't know I had. I was having some issues, but I went in for multiple cat scans, ultra sounds. They couldn't find it at the time.
Mind, is that stomach pain or like, what are the symptoms?
That is like severe pain between your your breastbone and it feels like oh myr like yep, feels like heartburn and digestion all that kind of stuff, but it's unbearable, like you're doubled over. You feel like you're gonna throw up. My intestines grew through that attached itself to the fat the fashion on my stomach and they were being strangled and they turned black. Oh god, yeah, so it it was a whole thing. And so now this is something I'm gonna have to deal with this time that I went in it was a partial obstruction. Thank god. They were able to put a tube down my nose into my intestines and they were twenty four hours, actually thirty six hours. They were sucking everything out. It wasn't fun, but it worked. If it didn't work, then I would have to go in and have surgery.
And do they think that they're there? Is it just because of this has been going on for years or do you think it was some sort of medication that you had to take for when you were sick when you're in Scotland or is it food related?
It's it's scar tissue related. So it's all scar tissue yeap, Oh my gosh. But you got out without any surgery. Now you're drinking clear liquids. Yeah, I'm on a special diet for two weeks. I got to reevaluate my diet in general, Like I have to stay away from like really dark, greeny, leafy stuff. There's a lot of things I have to stay with them.
I have so many questions that I'm going to ask you off camera at some point, But thank you so much. First of all, I'm so glad that you're okay. I was so care on my feet. I was like wait, what's happening? And thank you for sharing with us because I always like to know, especially at this point, and you know, as we're getting older, like what is to everyone, and we have to be so careful and to stay educated on like things that could be small things that we think and they can you know, be in a situation like yours because I think I actually we may have a hernia that I have not had checked out. So this is definitely going to get.
Into you have to.
There's so many different types of hernias. There's you know, like in bilical hernias. This one was a hiatal hernia thing it's called so it's up higher on your stomach, okay, and if the and what happens is the hernia is going to get bigger and bigger and bigger, and then your intestines can grow through that hole and attached to the inside of your stomach wall, which is could be deadly. My grandmother died of intestinal issues. And I am most like my grandmother in every single way, look like her, act like her, everything, same size.
So we would have loved your grandma. Yeah, she was.
She was a spicy She was a spicy one.
Before we even get into talking about this two part reunion, which, wow, where do you know? I let everybody know that you had said the way that Trace and megas was done prior is not something are comfortable doing? No? And where are you now? Well?
I feel uncomfortable even talking about this because I when I got back, you know, when Shannon got her DUI I found out the day the day on air filming, the day I left for Scotland. So I had sent her a message, you know, and talked to her a little bit, but then I was gone and my phone was gone, so I didn't know what was going on, you know, from for three weeks. After thinking about it for a long time, I was thinking, like, this doesn't make any sense, Like how do we go on and do a show about pour some tequila on me? Like, yeah, I'm not an enabler. I personally take this very serious.
I know because people are calling you guys the Trace enablers. Yeah.
Yeah, And so I have spoke my mind to them about it. They want to get on a conference call and discuss it. So I haven't gotten that far yet.
So is Vicky pushing for it to happen as well?
Yes?
Why doesn't she know that's going to look bad for Shannon.
I don't think it's a good look, but I'm open to hear what they have to say.
Okay, what are your thoughts, Cynthia, Well, it.
Was just heartbreaking to see what happened to Shannon. And you know one of the things.
That wait, what happened to Shannon?
Yeah, the whole thing with the d U. I think, you know, with her.
Chammer's calling you out, like what Shannon did.
It's not what happened to hers, what she did.
Yeah, I'm sorry, Well what she did? Okay, So it was heartbreaking to see Shannon go through what she went through.
For sure, I think postponing it would be the best solution to this. I know that the one thing is is that we've I think we sold out five hundred seats, so that's an issue as well.
I mean, I think, do you want to care if Justin Bieber can reschedule a concert, the trace of Vegas can reschedule like.
Well said, Well, I'm sorry, Well said.
I mean, does it work if you take alcohol out of the equation. I mean, you guys could still have a good time.
And yeah, yeah, like I said, I don't want to see too much because we haven't you know. I voiced my opinion. They've heard my opinion, and we're going to get on a on a Zoom Collors or Commerce Color or something here and try to talk this through. So if you guys have any advice, send it my way.
My advice would just be listen. There's nothing that you guys can say or do to change my mind. I understand why you want to do it, because when we're struggling sometimes we search to keep ourselves busy and do a million things to help fill that void. But all this is going to do is cause you more pain, and I can't be a part of it. I love you, but I can't do it.
Honestly, right now, my life has been so busy, and then I got home and I thought it was going to be simple. Then I end up in the hospital. Like I can only concentrate, like to Bravo con right now, like getting my hair done next week in Bravo Con.
That's the only thing that I can healthier priority. I mean, I mean period point, Bill, you just that that just is the priority right now?
Yeah, and that that's exactly it. I'm I'm a yes person. Yes, Yes, I'll do it. I'll do it, do it? And then I think, oh god, what I say yes? And now I've just learned, like I'm going to make myself the priority and I'm not going to do something I don't want to do.
No is a beautiful word. I am a people pleaser and I say yes as well.
Well.
I used to be a people pleaser, and no has been a very important word in my vocabulary for the last year.
That is good to know. That's because Eddie's always saying, stop saying yes to everything.
I say no to a lot of things you do.
You're good about that.
I'm like, now you can't do it, doesn't Yeah, And I've learned a little bit from you too, I mean you have your boundaries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll do it.
I'll do it.
I'll do it. And then when I'm so overwhelmed, I'm like, I can't get mad of it anybody but myself.
That's because okay, that's thenother important thing. Just even creating boundaries and saying no, like all of that stuff works. Is we like, you know, live our lives. It's just right.
Well, I think also a common misconception because you're so tough on the show, like you you're so like in it that you actually are a big softy. So the second that somebody asks you to do something for them, for sure, you want to do it.
Like if I want somebody I don't like, I'm like, okay, I'll do it. Yeah, And what's wrong with me?
But I think I think ultimately, whenever somebody's really pushing you to do something you don't want to do or you don't feel as right, there's an ulterior motive to it that's going to end up not only hurting them but hurting you. Yeah, And that's why I would just stick to this boundary. And I want you guys to succeed, like even me and Vicky stuff apart, Like I watching you guys go and do well is a win for me to watch that happen, And I just think it would backfire extremely.
That's what I'm concerned with.
One other thing I want to talk about when it comes to know prior to getting into this recap, is what is your thought processes on doing only fans with your daughter?
That'd be a hard pass. No, you're not who in their right mind is going to do only fans and with their daughter their child? And what does that look like, well.
I don't know you were in the hospital. But Denise Richards and her daughter posted a collab for OnlyFans and has anybody seen this it?
What did they sucking each other's toes? Like, what the hell is going on?
I don't know, Cynthia. I want you to come in because I don't want to be like biased about this. But she posted asking if let me see exactly what she said. She posted asking if they should do another collab, which must mean there's an original one, but I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, and that's my question. What are people doing?
Like when I think OnlyFans, I think it's like doing nasty, dirty things on only fans, right, So.
I don't think it has to be It could just be sexy photos.
Surprisingly, they have actually reached out to me. Okay a few times me too. They reached out to me too, So I'm like, I don't know who was like causing the ability. I think she'd be great for only fans, but in any case, they what they told me was, hey, you know, you know you don't have to like be like doing like anything crazy or porn or lick at your toes or whatever. You could literally be making your you know, banging potato salad on here, like I know that they're trying.
To do you use the word banging in kind of an awkward way.
Well it's a fodas, okay. But anyway, so I don't know where it's at. I don't really follow only fans, but I do see a lot of different people doing it, and I love Denise. The only thing that concerns me, and this is me not knowing a lot of information, is the fact that you know it is anything sexual at all period, Like bringing the daughter into that just feels weird to me.
But what about like if it's just them posing in the water and their bathing suits looking sexy. Does that feel weird to you that people are paying for not on the cover of like sports illustration.
The peg is on only fans makes it a little weird.
But yeah, I think for sure, for sure, Yeah, I mean I think there's a tasteful way to do it. But I think if people are paying to see you and your daughter in that light, you know what their ultimate intention is, and that's not to like put you on a magazine cover and celebrate you in a positive way.
I mean, it all comes down to the context of the picture. If it's them making potato salad in the kitchen, go for it.
But if it's essexual doing it in a swimsuit in the kitchen making potato salad, like, yes, just kidd.
You know, no, no, what now we're topless in the kitchen making potato sees. Guys, this is actually we're not We're not hating on anyone at this moment. We're just announcing our first only fan shoe, which will be the three of us and bikinis making Cynthia's famous potatoes salad. It's seven dollars for the bundle and joint.
Listen, can we make it a little bit more money than that? You make it fifteen so we each get five dollars each.
Is that the math?
I was like, I'm curious. I definitely want to I'm curious to see what the bottles actually look like.
Can you splurge, splurge, splurge on the seven bucks?
Let us know well, you know, I'm technically unemployed right now. And it was like, I think you guys need to order it and then let me know what and springs out the photos to me.
Is good, I'm good, Okay, So we're now we're onto the reunion and I call this reunion the Real Housewives of Orange County and IMAX because I was blown away, like, you look like I've never been to a movie theater before. But when I walked when I saw you guys walk in and they actually had the ocean, I was like, wow, Yeah, I mean, let's talk.
About that for a minute.
That's actually the new studios by Amazon. So they're virtual I don't know exactly the name, but it's Amazon Virtual Stages and so it's a big round stage and we had a set in the middle of sand, so the set there wasn't much to the set, just sand and a decking in our chairs, and then they flicked the switch and it was like in real time. You it was very distracting though you'd be sitting there talking you see a bird flying over your head, you like, what the hell is that?
But so cool.
I suspect we're going to see more of those, because it's I feel like it it's easier, it.
Looks really good. Is that at the same location that we used to do the reunions and they just know.
There's I think they're owned by Amazon.
Okay, now, at this point, Tam, me and Cynthia are going to talk and then you just chime in if there's something we missed or if you're mad at us, or whatever it may be.
Oh, yeah for sure.
Okay, so it starts off with Heather's as I love that. I'm looking at my rundown and like you're in every single one of these paragraphs because truthfully, and this is me saying, without you and without the dynamic between you and Heather, I do not think this season exists. I think we would have been back where we were in Orange County three years ago. Yeah, for sure, because as messy as it was at times, you can see a true authentic friendship there.
And yeah, well I've always loved Heather and cared about Heather, and Heather is she has a good heart, she is a nice person. Do we agree on everything, No, we don't. But we've have to cry at the end, Tam, I started laughing when you did that about which part would I cry about?
When you were like, I just.
Really wanted to be close friends, and I was like, I think because I get emotional because this whole season has been pretty tough on me, So it was really hard on me to be accused of bullying and going after her and ganging up when that's not entirely true.
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Well, Heather's asked about how she feels about falling back into a friendship with Tamra. She says Tarmra said something unkind about her every episode. Tamra says she came in not knowing where she stood with Heather. On Heather's podcast, she said there's no place for Tamara on the show anymore. Heather says she wasn't the one to say it and that she never told anything. Andy confirms it. However, She also says she never uses the word loser, and then we see her using it.
But that's not what Andy and Heather said.
What did they say?
So, her co host on the podcast had said there was a whole conversation about me. This is before I was even asked back to the show that if anybody can come back, she wants Heather Alex Pelino to And you know I wrote hard for her when she was gone. I constantly did interviews, talk to Andy, bring her back, bring her back, we need her, and she didn't do the same to me. And then she went on to say there was no, or her co host that day. There's no place for Tamar on the show because she's a blogger, which I'm not a blogger, remember if you remember that? And Andy had said in to I can't remember where he said it, but he said something on the terms that, well, you know, it might be hard to bring Tamra back because she has a podcast based around the show. You know, the show is that's why shows. So I had called him and I said, wait, did Heather tell you that because she said something similar to that on her podcast And He's like no, no, no, And I'm like, okay, done, left and alone.
I don't even know why it was brought up at the reunion. But then my question for you, Cynthia is where do you think Heather and Tarma went wrong? As a viewer. Do you think it was a power struggle or do you think it was like past issues or do you think Heather was so used to having everyone kiss her ass and now Tarmra's coming in and everyone's kissing her ass and she can't take it or what is it?
Well? I think you know, when you are not asked to come back to the show, you know that's difficult to go through that process is because it's almost like mourning a part of your life that is no longer there anymore. So when you do get an opportunity to go back to the show, it's like you do feel a little displaced and you got to and you know, like, obviously they're not asking you to come back to twitter your thumbs. You got to come in somewhat hot because if let you go, now you get an opportunity to come back, So now you got to be like, you know, you got to come in hot basically if you want to continue to be a part of the show.
Yeah, I mean when they let you go and then bring you back, it's because haws, it didn't work when you were gone.
Yeah, that's true too. I would agree that you being back on the show definitely was a huge part of the season with that question, just even for the drama and just all of it, Like you were like all up in the mix, all up in the mixed. So anyway, I think that's that's hard. So I felt like tim Or you were like kind of came back a little like, well, first of all, you know, I know you don't show it, but I know your feelings were hurt and it like I said that you didn't get to come back in the first place. Now you're back. Now you got to find your place and you got you also have to come in hot, and you have to like prove that hey, I'm an asset to the show. And then you got to figure out how your friends are. You and Shannon, we're going through y'all stuff. So that was like real because that feels like your real, real friend on the show to me. And I felt like you had to juggle with a lot, and then you were sharing about your dog and the gem and it was just a lot going on. I felt like just watching it, you were a little defensive and just kind of like focused on I'm gonna get my ass back on the show and stay on your well you don't want to, and you didn't really show balance of you going through all that other stuff. I didn't really see play out on the show. So I could be like, Okay, she's going through stuff, but she hasked to like she most secured this job that she wants back.
Yeah, and I think coming back when it comes to Heather her doing her podcast in saying you know there's no place for me, and then her she also said I'm just trying to I get it, she's trying to stay relevant. I get it, she's trying to make a brand, which I've been on TV for many years. I already have a brand. A lot of things were said, and I went back questioning like, is she really my friend? I was told by multiple cast members that when she came back, she said a lot of negative things about me, So then of course I'm gonna question, like are we not friends like we? I thought we were really good friends. So there was a lot of questions in my head, like who is she?
What does she? Does she not like me?
Does she like me? And I just went back or whatever.
Yeah, Well to your point, Tam, because even thinking about you know, someone I'm not on the show. So even when, like my castmates say, when people ask them, oh, who's your ideal? You know six people that you would want on a show like every time, and I'm not really interested in being a part of the show. But it still still feels nice to still be on the list to me, Yeah, especially after eleven years of being on the show, because you know, you know, they didn't keep you on there all that time for nothing that you contributed to the show.
But it is, it is.
It hurts your feelings.
It's a flat on the face when they don't say how.
In Howther's defense, we did have this conversation and she said, you know, me and Alexis are going through some similar situations right now, and that's why she said her it would be nice to have somebody that can relate to what she's going through.
Well, I think I think in those situations what I do because people people always ask me like, who do you think you know? When I was on the show, who do you think you come back? Who do you think?
I hate that question.
I hate it so much. I always look at it like, even if I'm not friends with you on the show, I know this is your job. I don't want to be the cause of anyone losing her job. Like I was like, you guys don't right for the show anymore. Fine, But I would never open up my mouth and say I don't feel like this one should come back, and that when she come back and this one didn't bring anything. I would never never do that, and I always don't like it when I see other people do it, because.
Yeah, well I think this is a good this is a good point, which brings me to listen. I think that Heather had an excellent reunion. I thought she I thought she was well spoken, I thought she was funny. I thought she had some good comments. I loved the dynamic between her and camera. I loved that she riled Emily up and Emily was like lost or cool. Like all the things as the viewer were great, But the one thing that really resonated with me was all of the side conversation about the things that Heather said. Sounds to me like she thinks she's producing the show, and that's what bothered me, Like all the things that all the women actually seem upset about, which like even the comment between Emily and Gina shouldn't be so close or this person or I can't do the show with this loser or whatever it is. Like it seems to me she's trying to do all of these things off camera to try to make the show better. But like, you don't have a producer credit and it's not your place to coach the other women on how to be better housewives, and that's not going to be received well if you've actually been on the show. And I personally have been coached on how to be a better housewife and you see, oh, well that turned out right.
Well, here's the thing, like with all the stuff that happens off the camera and then what happens on the camera. This is why I love breaking the fourth wall. I just think it's so necessary because there's so much stuff that can't be explained if it didn't happen off camera unless you unless you break the fourth wall. So I just felt like watching Heather like we've all been there. You know how many side conversations I've had with cast members about like other cast members, like as soon as we start filming, the phone starts ringing, honey, how it happened? What do you think about this? I heard this, bring this up on camera. I'm gonna go here, I'm gonna go there. Like it's just the way the show works.
It's the nature of the business.
Totally one. But I think if you get hawk ye than that are hell to the fire. You know, that is when you just have to just take on the shit and be like, look, you know what, I was talking to all kinds of shit about this girl off camera. She's not my kind of girl or whatever, because the reality is, you know, there are organic relationships that happen on the show. But for the most part, a lot of you guys, I'll put together, I don't know that happened. The people I was on the show with, I would have organically been friends with them, had enough been on the show with them. So it's what it is. So with that said, I think that once it just seemed like hew, they just kept you know, because she was like, oh, I said it, but that wasn't my attention or I didn't. I didn't mean to said that.
Web.
It's kind of like, Okay, been there, done it, get it, but you still except on it. Look, I said it.
It was horrible.
I said it. I take it back, I'm sorry, and just move on instead of all this, well you know this then and the other. I think at some point you's got to be like I got caught. Let me just go ahead and.
Yeah, like we everybody talked about. And also it goes like this, you may talk shit about somebody six months ago and then your relationship has totally changed and now they're one of your close friends. That when you have that, I do believe that there is like a sisterhood. Yeah, this like it doesn't matter how much time has passed like even today, I sent Durit a text message. I'm like, I need to know for Bravo con if this is actually your list of people you chose as DUI's sheakhest Housewives, cause I'm I'm I'm really I'm really.
Really confused on this one.
And she responded back in like three minutes. You know, like there's always that comment like commonality where like they're you're always going to have that relationship. But let's let's let's move on to how Bryan was invited to the reunion to come share his side of the story but decline. Jen says that if Ryan were there to defend himself to Tamra, he would just come across as an asshole. Tamra says things shifted when Ryan cheated on Gins. Jen calls Tamera a piece of ship friend. Tamra said, you're a piece of shit, you cheater. And then do we think Ryan should have come on and had a conversation with Tamra at the reunion or not?
In my opinion, you guys got to know we made up at the season finale. We were good, Everything was fine, okay, So if he would have come on and explained himself. I had no intentions of attacking him or questioning him. I said what I said. What I said was one hundred percent the truth, one hundred percent.
Why would Ryan come on to the reunion when he can just comment continuously post the reunion on Instagram for present engagement, and go on all these podcasts and try to paint everybody in a certain light because the way that I felt watching the reunion, and granted I still don't one hundred percent get why any of y'all care that Ryan's a cheater and Jens choosing to be with him, because I think that's on her.
I would care if your husband was cheating on you or Cynthia's husband was cheating on him on her, like if you're constantly cheating, Like would you guys want me to just go, oh, okay, that's good, But you wouldn't be.
Mad at me for it?
Would I wasn't mad at her for him cheating on her. That's ridiculous. I was mad because of the lies. She knew exactly what went down. We had conversations about what went down. My advice to her when she joined the show was there's a lot of stuff out there. Be honest, and then Emily and Gina started bringing up her cheating on her husband. I never brought that up. That never came out of my mouth. That was Emily and Gina and I set her down on camera. They didn't show it, and I said, this is before the cup Fitness probably said, my advice to you is to be honest, because if you're gonna lie and say it didn't happen and make up all these lives we've seen Star her story changes constantly, you're gonna look like you're gonna look bad.
Just own it.
But the problem is she ends up looking good because it looks like all of you guys are invested.
I don't know that everybody believes her story.
Well, I don't think anyone believes her story, but I do think that because of the fact that it looks like everybody's so invested and.
She should be thanking us, she actually had a season.
Well, but my question is, you guys are all on. You're on her ass about not being one hundred percent authentic about her relationship with Ryan. That being said, I just have to ask. I know it was touched on at the Union, but I need more information. Why weren't you on Shannon's ass about John Jansen.
I think what happened was is when I came back to the show, I had not been around John and Shannon for two and a half years. I did not know what the state of their relationship was at that time, and so when you see me, they do a flashback, which was a very unfair flashback was I was not talking to the women of about her relationship. I was as before me and Shannon even made up. I was talking to Eddie two and a half years ago. The relationship was not doing well. There was a lot of fighting going on.
Now.
She did not open up to me. She told me why we were filming, that everything was good. I went to one dinner, two dinners with them as a couple. They seemed in love. He talked about wanting to get married. That's all I had to go on.
That's it.
Well, it seemed like for us, like watching the show, it seemed like number one, like they kept, you know, telling us that you and Jen were friends. But it felt like on one hand, you were coming out of concern about her relationship, and then it felt like you just wouldn't let it go, and then it turned in like it felt like you were angry at her. And one of the things I always ask my friends in relationships, you know, hey, if I see your man doing something inappropriate or something and looks inappropriate, or I see him with another woman and it feels like it doesn't feel right, are you the kind of friend? Do you want me to tell you? And I always ask that question because hey, number one, everyone doesn't want to know everyone to keep really good point, I'm the kind of person tell me, tell me even think, and I will deal with it. And I'm not going to throw you under the bus. I'm going to take the information and do what i need to do with it.
So what if they tell you yes, I want you to.
Tell me yes. And then when you tell then when they when you tell them, they go after you as a liar, Well then that's not right. It's okay, Well they're my prop That's exactly what happened.
Well, I think also, I was talking to Emily about this, and I hope I'm not throwing you under the bus, Emily, but I was asking, truthfully, like, explain to me what this obsession is between Ryan and Jen and all of it. And I'm just I don't I don't care like, I, as an outsider, I don't care what he's doing. She wants to pretend it's not happening. No skin off anybody else's They're not hurting you guys. And she said, I think the problem is that he had never even met her mother or anything until they started filming, and everybody felt like this new found serious love towards her is directly correlated to the filming schedule. Yep. And so I think that's what's not being shown. And so because we're not seeing that, we're not getting it, like we're assuming people have embarrass people cheat, people like she Jen said she didn't sleep in the same room with her husband for two years. You know what, if I didn't sleep in the same bed as my husband for two years, I probably would leave him as well. And I don't know who i'd leave him for. That being said, when you add the level of fame to a relationship at the beginning of it, when it starts out toxic, it's not great.
No, But I love loved because I wanted Gen to say this all season. I love that she finally was like, if this is my shit, Sam whatever, she said, let me eat it, And I was like, please, and at a side of fries and watch it down with a gender like I honestly feel like once, as her friend, Tim, your only job to meet was to give her this information coming from your heart, and what she decided to do with it was on her and it just felt like, I don't know, they just didn't show a lot of it, the other ladies bringing it up time after time. It just felt like you were really on her ass about it a lot on the season that I want.
Yeah, and I know, and I regret it it. You know, it took me back to a time in our friendship, like when you talk about anger like I was mad.
I was mad.
I was totally mad. We had a friendship because she came to my gym.
If you think she came to your gym because she wanted to meet you because you were on the show.
Yeah, I liked Jen on the show. I actually liked this entire cast.
To be honest.
Yeah, this show is great.
I mean I feel like she was a good fit in a way because she wasn't a good fit and it kind of made her a good Yeah.
No, I think she's I think she's great for the show now. So back then she came because I did a fitness competition. She wanted to do one, so we trained her. I got to know her through the gym, and then we went like we hung out a few times, like we got closed. She came over to my mom's seventieth birthday in October with her husband, you know, but there was some issues after the Ryan stuff started, and there was some old on.
I have a question. Sorry, I have to interrupt. Why were you on a trip with Ryan and Cabo? Yea, So we were.
So Ryan was going to our gym. We had no idea that he was fooling around with Jen at this so.
They both were going.
So mind you, Jen and her husband were just at my house right seventieth birthday Okay, Okay, So.
You and Jen were close when she was still with our ex, not when she got with Ryan.
When she got with Ryan, things went sideways. Okay, ok That's what happened, and then we didn't we we didn't. There was no big blow up. There was a lot of I'm so sorry, Tamer that happened at your gym. Like, there was a lot of that going on, but I had to put some distance. He was going to Cabo and he had some Heather was going. Another one of his friends was going, and he said to Eddie, Hey, you want to go to Cabo. He had this free private jet that was going out there. It wasn't his, it was going out there to pick somebody up, you know. And we flew commercial home and Eddie's like, I don't.
Know, you know.
And Eddie had broke his arm. He was in a cast. It was, you know, a year or two into the pandemic, and Jen is not there. Jen is not there, No, and so we Eddie decides it was he decided. He's like, yeah, we'll go. And I'm like, really, because I thought for a million years he'd say no because we didn't really know him that well. Very superficial. So we go and we're sitting out by the pool.
Had you been fired yet? Yeah?
I was during the pandemic. Yeah, I was on the show. So he sat at the end of his chair and he started crying and he said, there's something I have to tell you, And I said what. He's like, I've been having an affair with Jennifer and I always called her Gen, so I didn't know who was talking about. I go who, He goes Jennifer PACHANKI, I go, she's married. He's like, yeah, her husband found us, you know, I go, just Will know. Yeah, her husband found us in the car talking. And you never said that they had sex in the car. She said that, which is very telling. She said that I never said they were having sex in my car. This is I'm just repeating what Ryan said. He found us in the car.
She said.
At one point he was giving me. Yes, Will did find us in the car. He was giving Ryan was giving me a gift, is what she said. If you go back to another episode. And at that point, Eddie and I went up to our room, I go, do not post any pictures, because if Will knows, and Will knows that we are with Ryan, this just looks.
Bad for us. This all makes a lot of more sense. Yeah, so I thought you guys were friends with Ryan and Jen, and then you found out about Ryan and Jen with him cheating on her with whoever. No, and that's why you were this upset.
And I'm not saying that you know we were best friends with Will. No, we weren't best friends with Will our Jen.
You know.
It was like, hey, we're having a party, you want to come over. Trained Will had sent me a message after her fitness competition, which she won. She crushed it. She did an amazing job. She put the work in and he said, thank you so much for being a good friend to Jen. I'm like, yeah, no problem, Like it was, that's all.
It was like you guys, now you and you has friends or not.
Well, you know, we ended the reunion and you know, if you watch the peacock version and very so much better guys at the end of it, and I've just sent this clip, I you know, sit there and I talk to her and I tell her, you know, I hope we can move forward. Let's go to dinner, you know. Evidently in a message on social media, she put on that I was crying. She told one of my cast members, I was hysterically crying, saying I was sorry, I wanted to fix this. Never happened. That never hapt crying.
That you were never hysterically crying. But they did show you when you guys, which I actually hate, and all reunions, I'm sorry I do when they ask everybody like their favorite part of what they're looking forward to the most about next year? Right? Could she potentially be talking about the point when you start kind of like cheering up and you're saying you're looking forward to building a better.
No, no, no, she said. At the end of the reunion, I came up to her and I know what she's talking about. We were outside. They showed it on the Peacock version. I invited her to dinner. I said, I hope that we can put this past us. But she went out there and made this whole, you know, exaggerated story, and it's wish. She does a lot, So I tried my best. I reached out to her after the reunion. We had a couple of little small talks and I said, hey, listen, my glam team is setting up a room at Bravocan. You know, do you want to get in on this. You have used both of them or one of them before, Like, is this something you want to do? And I never heard back from her. And then shortly after that I went to Film Traders and then I got home to a total shit storm where they were both going after me, my husband, my son, like all this stuff, and I'm like, this is the reamin hadn't even aired. This was like they started this after the season finale where we were good at the season finale.
I think she's leading the charge.
I don't know. I hope it's him not her.
What do you think, Cynthia, I mean, I don't know, Jim.
From what I saw from the show, she didn't seem she seemed kind of passive to me. I just don't see her like all of a sudden kicking into like this whole.
Like you know, yeah, this personally like this.
And as far as her like coming onto the show. When braun Win was cast on the show, they you know, they often do like if you own a business, is there any girls at your business that you think would be good for the show. So this was five years, I don't know how many years ago. So I had given her name along with I think Tatiana's name, who hangs out with Gina all the time, and a few other girls, And so they interviewed her and she didn't make it. Then you know, I got a text message from her and we we weren't, like I said, there was no huge blow up. We didn't hate each other. We just kind of grown apart and I didn't really want to be around that whole ship storm that she was going through.
And she was had a relationship like t him when you were off the show. Well, no, Jin just got on the show. But were you and Jin still friends like when you were off and she wasn't even on the show, Like what is that like? What was that like?
Oh prior like the year prior to her getting Yeah, when we were not that close at that point. She was not coming to the gym.
I hadn't.
I mean it'd probably been much since I had seen her. We I think there was like a farewell dinner for one of our our members at our gym, and she showed up and I hadn't seen her for a long time. Hey, how you doing whatever? And it was very superficial and.
You guys were growing a friendship this It wasn't like you guys were these best of friends and.
No, no, no, we were better friends before when she was married.
So so basically she had texted me. I remember I was sitting in the parking lot dropped my daughter off at work one day and she said, Hey, can you call me? The producers have reached out to me. And I had been reached out at that point as well, and so she called me and I said, so what's going on. She's like, yeah, they reached out they you know, they want me to try out for the show. And I'm like, okay, cool like that do you want to do?
Do it?
Like I'm not going to stop you. And I said, well, you know Eddie knows Ryan, and you know you've worked out at my gym. So there is some you know, natural organic friendship there, if you want to call it that.
And so that was it.
That's the conversation. And then she would call me randomly and say have you heard anything? Have you heard anything? And I'm like, no, I haven't heard anything. So it wasn't me trying to get her on the show. I wasn't calling production going you have to get this girl on the show and nothing like that. I didn't even I didn't even know if I was coming back.
Right right right.
Well. One of one of my favorite parts is when you said one of my favorite lines, which is when you say Texas.
And texts text. I was like, that's my girl, Tam.
She's like, I selling the Texas. I was like, damn, we have talked about it. It is texts.
I don't think that I normally say that an everyday thing because you you always say it Texas.
You'll say like text like it's texts. Yeah, no, you said Texas, And I was like, oh my gosh, but I start I realized, well, you.
Know, I don't really know the English language. Though that's not no big.
Well me neither. But as we conclude episode one of this, what do we think there's anything else? Like we definitely, I mean there was a lot of Ryan and Jen stuff. I feel like we got to just keep it moving it is.
I'm not going to go backwards on this, like I haven't said anything I haven't said on the show already. I know that he's attacking me Eddie and doing all this stuff. I'm not going to even comment on that, Like, let him do his thing. He had his opportunity to come to the reunion.
Well how did you feel when Andy brings up how you said that Heather has not worked since the late nineteen hundreds, and then Heather says to you, can you imagine if I said to you, only nine years at the gym, it's not equinox, how much money did you lose? Like you handled it way better than I for sure would have, Like, don't you think Cynthia?
Like I was like, like, first of all, first of all, the whole thing about the nineteen hundreds was twisted to the point of no return that never happened. Did I say, did I say nine hundreds? I did, but I didn't say in that context basically was happening.
It's like Texas, Yeah, it was, No, it was.
It was one of these things where Taylor wanted me to pull it up and so because her scream was broken, so I'm like here, and it was never done in like a malicious way on my part, and there was so much conversation that wasn't aired. She did all these and I thought it was impressive. I didn't think that it was belittling her career whatsoever. So when I said nineteen nine nine, ninety ninety eight, ninety seven, ninety eight, and I said nineteen hundreds, at one point didn't even know I said it, did not even know I said it until the producer told me. And so then it was like we started laughing because I said it not at her career, but the fact that I said it, that was it. Yeah, it was barely It was really hard for me to explain that without breaking the fourth wall or you know what I mean.
On the show.
Yeah, they definitely made it in a moment that was bigger than probably what it was.
It was a moment that wasn't a moment.
Yeah yeah, but last it took close out episode one. At last year's reunion, Shannon told Gina that she would never bring up the dui ever again. Shannon says she does not remember bringing it up. She was drunk and mad at Gina. Gina asked Shannon what her children's names are. Shannon says Sianna and can't remember the others. Gina says, you've known me for six years and you don't even know their names. Gina says that Shannon is worried about everyone else talking about her own relationships, so she decided to make things up about her children. Slash cps. Should Shannon be able to name all of Gina's kids and is blaming alcohol a poor way out of apologizing.
Listen, Gina has been on the show for five years. I've met her kids once, maybe twice. I don't have little kids, so it's not like you know Emily where their kids will pare?
I mean, tamer what are my kids' names?
Let me think now? Hold on cruise slid duff Bella.
Okay, I don't have one what's my daughter's name?
Noela?
Noela.
Yeah, so it's one of those sorry loser Noel.
And it's one of those things like, you know, if you're not hanging out with those kids and you're not around them all the time, and if you don't have a good memory, like I could see her not knowing and then being put on the spot.
Do you think Shannon knows your kids names?
I would hope, so, I would hope.
So how many kids does Gina have?
Three?
She has three small kids.
They're all small kids. But you know, in Shannon's defense, like she probably would have said it to me, I would probably would have clammed up because I don't know her children like that. Yeah, but also I I don't know, I felt like at this point, but it was a good move on Gena's part. It was an excellent Gina must have been starving because she freaking ate Shannon up a. Yeah, that was a great move on the chess board for her because yeah, it was my chest mate. I mean, Andy's face said it all.
Yeah, I mean, and that's kind of where I don't know, but we've all been to a place like I know I have. I've seen Tam or do it. I don't know if you have, Cynthia, but at some point we've blamed alcohol for our behavior. But when it becomes a repetitive excuse, yeah, that's where it becomes a problem. Like I still remember in Provence when I was a complete asshole and said shit about Erica and the next day I said to her, like, holy shit, I drank so much. I don't even remember last night. No one will even tell me what I said, but I know I hurt your feelings.
But like if I said that, every week, yeah, you basically get like two drinking passes per season, and then after that they paint you to be an alcoholic pretty much. If you're going to it, that's our show.
So yeah, I mean I think episode one was super juicy. I appreciated everybody's effort. I also just had one final question. Why was Heather allowed to wear black?
I don't know.
It's funny because when she she wears black any chance she can, it's her color. But when she walked out, Andy goes Heather black like that, like really, so what she wanted to wear and she.
Got to wear it? Well, I do know that, like when it comes to these things, you send pictures in advance. It's not like it's just willing Milly.
Like you're you're saying, but if you want to be forceful and say this what I'm wearing, they're they're gonna say okay.
In a shocking turn of events, I never did that.
I mean, she looked great. I thought it was a beautiful dress. Yeah, it totally f fit the beach vibe.
So no, she looked amazing.
No, everybody. I thought everybody looked beautiful. Yeah I didn't look great.
I didn't love Jen and Gina's dress that I didn't like their dresses that much, but I thought they looked great.
But apes are hard to pull off in general, especially if you're my height. M Okay, but I did.
And I'm not saying this stammer because on this podcast with you thought you looked really great. I thought it looked amazing, and I definitely thought I thought Emily looked great.
Yeah, she looks really good.
And Shannon's look surprised me, but I was fine with Like, I just I don't know what I was expecting.
From her, but I was like, oh, who Shannon Jane.
No, Shannon Eric Jane, I get it. I get it. Yeah, this is fine.
I mean, listen, she took a chance. You know, that's what fashion is all about, right, I love it. It probably wasn't the best, but it wasn't the worst.
It was like the one time I took a chance and wore a red lip. I still regret it to this day. All Right.
I've taken lots of chances, and.
Don't don't start pulling on my reunion pictures. I mean, I got it right a lot, but one or two times I got it wrong are the ones.
I don't know why it's so difficult. It's like when you're told you have like three weeks to find this dress in a certain color. It's like, you know, we frantic, and then we'd start looking and it's like, oh my god, I can't find it.
Can't find it. Plus there's only like six places all of us shop from it. And then you wear it and then you're like, oh, somebody else has already done.
Then you submit it and they're like, no, somebody else already submitted that dress off or Revolve.
And then the worst when you try to get something custom and it just looks a hot miss.
I will never do that, never in my life. I'm not tall, so there's no need for customs.
I've seen some beds.
Oh my gosh. Well, be back to drop the episode for episode two of Real Housewives of Orange County Reunion
