Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra JudgeTamra and Jenn are back to square one with their arguments about Ryan... is this getting old?!
Is Heather simply mean? Or is she just unaware?
Plus, Vicki came in HOT! Was she out of line with her comments about Ryan?!
To Teas and a Pod, which Teddy Mellencamp and Camridge Idge. Hello, Hello, welcome to another episode of Two Teas and a Pod and a c I am here with Cynthia Bailey.
My voice is back. I'm very happy to be able to speak a little louder on everything we have to talk about today because.
We have a lot any updates with you, Cynthia before we get started.
I'm good, I'm good. My voice is back, like I said, feeling better still at Lake. Bailey headed to New York today actually after the podcast, and life is good. I went on a date this weekend and that was fun. I got an award this weekend, like Fashion Icon Awards. Excuse me, well, I mean, you know, I've been over here for a minute, you know, since I was eighteen, since I started my modeling career. So that was pretty cool. It's always good. So it's cool to be recognized.
Yes it is.
And you deserve artwork, so it's good. It's been a good week.
After watching this episode of Real Housewives of Orange County, there may be some additional people that need pastor bail.
Yes, I mean you need to leave these hands on some of those ladies.
For sure, we need to go full blown. I mean it, I'm getting really excited for the finale. When they're all dressed in these over the top costumes fighting the world, I was.
Like, I couldn't even focus on what they were saying because I was so blown away by the level of commitment that they went that they had with these costumes. It was amazing.
So is Tamra a joker? What is she like? I couldn't really tell. She's maybe a joker. I think Jen's like a lion. We'll get We'll be able to see it more next year. I was like trying to decipher all the costumes. Taylor feels like she had maybe a Craigs moment that times five. I didn't even know what she's talking about. And while So it's so crazy because consecutively, while I'm watching Taylor on Orange County, I'm also doing podcast prep for the Me and Taromas flashback episode of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Season one. So it's like the original tailor and I'm just like, it's my mind can't take it. But any who, any who, any who? The best moments from this episode. It starts off where the women tell Tamar to go apologize to Jin for bringing up other women. Tamra says, I never sugarcoat anything. If you can't handle the truth, you can't be my friend. This, I mean, I feel like this is at a lunch or dinner table all the women start to kind of get involved here. I kind of wish, still waiting on this moment, that Jen and Tamar have an official sit down. Yeah, without everybody else, right.
Right, I feel like, no, well, no, they didn't know they were still at an event, but they kind of went to the side and talked. But obviously the talk didn't work because we're back to square one.
So and do we think that we're back to square one on this talk because Vicky is bringing it up again and then Tamra's just doubling down or what do you think's actually happened.
I don't think. I mean, I think Vicky definitely added to it. But I don't think Tamra's done here. I think Tampra is still throwing a sparkler on I don't think Tamra's done here. I think she is still throwing a sparkler on the fire. Okay, And I told you guys on the last episode, I am done with Jen and Ryan's relationship. If those people are happy, those grown people are happy, I'm completely fine with it. I personally feel like, you know, when tamras it, you know, if she's your friend and she's gonna tell you what or whatever, tell me once. But here's the thing, don't tell me as my friend. I heard you, and I'm still going to do what I want to do.
I agree, I agree on that. However, I feel like they're talking about somebody else at this point because Jen's reaction what she calls Ryan. Okay, So I think this is additional tea because you can see, like and listen, I have been in a situation where you're not trusting somebody and you're having a conversation. You can hear that in Jen's voice, like Jen is essentially pleading with it. In my opinion, Jen is pleading with Ryan on that phone call to tell her the truth. And I mean because Tama had said he fucked other people from her Jim, Wait, not just that, okay, No, not just the one night standing on the break. Now's there's more people.
Okay, Well that's different. Then I guess we have to keep the conversation.
We have to keep that. Yeah, No, if there's additional humans brought into the mix, we've.
Got we're back open from anywhere. We're gonna unpack this. We're gonna get to the bottom of it for once and for all.
I do also love the Tamra is wearing her Vena hat, but she forgot to pack her happy Place gummies for this trip, because so far this trip is anything but happy.
Listen, it actually was not that much fun to watch this trip. I have to say, I would have to agree with that, but you know, let me just go to my girl gen really quick, and I think she's gonna come up again in a minute. But I just feel like, you know, for some reason, I'm an impath. I feel like jin who I don't know, but I feel like I'm going to claim that she's an impact as well. This woman just seems to be just a very sweet woman. You know, she just seems like a good lady. And here's the problem when good people come on shows like this, even if they don't care, because sometimes, like you know, just from being on the show, like some things people say, You're like, I don't care what those people do, I don't care whatever on the show. In real life, you get to not like here or whatever, But there just has to be I'm just craving and dying for jin to just snatch everybody together and just tell them something, even if it's just a go fuck, I don't know some.
Yeah, there has to be.
Good.
Yeah, whether it's everybody shut the fuck up about my relationship, I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out on my own. But I think what everybody's missing in the group and why they can't let it go, is that she is so steadfast on I know this is all fine. We've done this where I feel like all she had to say is, guys, let me figure it out on my own, get it. I let me figure this shit out on my own. I didn't ask you to investigate for me. I don't. If I get bit in the ass, it's my own fault to get bit in it's mine. Okay, let me stumble through this ship on my own. I was in a marriage for a long time. I'm just putting words in her mouth. I have no idea I was in a marriage for a long time.
Somebody has to Yeah, Like, I think we can explain better than she get at this point.
Yeah, like unfulfilled I'm now in a situation where we have a bunch of kids involved between myself and Ryan and we're figuring this shit out. Do I have concerns that he's gonna screw me over?
Yes?
Do I get it? Do I need you to be the I mean, let's also be clear. I guarantee that even if they were on a break for the first cheating, she has had moments where she's looked at his phone or gone in his DMS or just snapchat. She's done some kind of investigating on her own. And that's kind of where we got to leave it. Like she now knows whatever she knows or whatever she chooses to believe, is on her. But you could hear Ryan's voice in this moment. He almost did sound a little scared.
Well, we will see, we will see how this thing plays out. And I just, you know, I root for them. I'm a lover of love. You know, they seem to be very in love, and like I said, I just feel for Jin and I just want her to just get these women off her back, because until she actually does, I don't think they're gonna let it go. I just don't.
My one hot tip for you, Jen, because I know you're going to. In my opinion, you'll be back next year. I think you're a good addition to the show. Is if you want people to stop talking about your relationship, give us something else. Yep, that's true. Give us something about your life, let us in, let us know who you are, let us know where if we only see you being mother Teresa at home. Yes, no one is great all the time. No one is fostering kiddies and being the best mom ever and running gyms and some shit is hitting the fan. Give us whatever shit that is where show us, show us that, and then I feel like everyone will back off. But everybody just I feel like, especially when you're watching House as you see it with Heather as well, when you give the illusion and I've done it as well, that life is perfection, people are going to poke holes in it. Absolutely, And I don't even think it's because of jealousy. It's because it's what is created when you're on a show like it's.
All they have right now. It's like a dog on a bone until you give him another bone, he's gonna keep knowing at that one bone.
Find a new bone, he canna that one, and it'll hurt less.
Yep, this phone has no more flavor left, but we are still chewing on it. It's like, oh, like you know, it's like like it's nothing left anymore, but we are grasping for crumbs. Here this bone. Give us a fresh new bone. Please.
I feel like by the end of this reunion, I'm not gonna have any teeth left.
Yeah we're talking, okay, Yeah, Like, come on.
Girl, and just you know what, fight with anyone, call like anyone. Yes, yes, you can get mad at Gina again because Gina was the one that originally brought it up. Do whatever you gotta do. I'll tell Tamor to mind your own fucking business like it tells, tell Vicky, I don't know you, and shut your pie hole.
But Anywayeah, no, it's true. That's true. Okay.
Then Emily says that it's messed up that Heather called her a snuff love igus your favorite word, and that Emily says it's not fair for Heather to crack jokes but then get sensitive when anyone says something about her. Gina says it must them from her childhood because her mom puts her down a lot, which I can thank you editors. I appreciated the flashback scenes to her mom because I wouldn't have had that insight because I don't I'm not saying that her mom puts her down a lot, but you can see that her mom is one of those personality types that it's like never quite good enough, right right, right, okay, because you know she like says something like, oh, let me reset the table when I'm at a restaurant, or she said something and you could tell you could tell that it it irritates Heather.
Right, Is she like, you know, shutting her down or she just being a mom who, like you know, all of our moms, like my mom like doesn't shut me down. But I could totally see her coming in and overstepping, overstepping every boundary in my house, like setting the table, like my mom literally comes in here and moves furniture around if she feels like and I'm like, what's happened, He's like, oh, I thought that lamp goold looked better over there. Yeah, Like, you know, I don't know. I think at the end of the end of the day, I do feel I felt so bad for Heather on this episode, Like I do feel like she's being you know, kind of a she was kind of a punching bag a little bit. And I just feel like, you know, when it comes to like certain shade, I feel like it's almost like because she's rich, she doesn't get to throw the same shade or make the same jokes. Because I honestly feel like had Tamra called Emily a snuff and uhing bliss.
Of whatever it is, that I would I think if Tama called her a stuff a loveagus, she would be raked through the coals. She would Okay, Yeah, I think there's certain things like I think that when I also think when it comes to bodies and when women are going through stuff, and clearly now Emily has done this big transformation and all of these things. So I think there are certain things that if you're not one hundred percent.
Okay, something in your skin, yeah yeah, okay, all right, Yeah, I could see how that could be a trigger.
Like that would bother me. Like you know, there's people that there was this one time that I mean, this was when my first month, my husband and I was out of dinner. And I'm not trying to like sidetrack, but I just I remember this happened over fifteen years, this happened fifteen years ago and it still resonates with me. When I was sitting at a table and it was like a big birthday I just brought Edwin. It wasn't my birthday, it was a friend's birthday, and this guy sat down across from us and we got introduced.
Yeah, and.
I said, oh, I'm Teddy Mellencamp. I said I'm Teddy and he goes, oh, my gosh, I know it Teddy, And I was like shit, And I didn't had no idea where he was going with it. And it was like, ugh, she was this chubby bitch that worked at CIA. And I'm not saying this senough of love of guests means chubby or any of those things, but like, but it is a big but it is a big, furry animal. But I remember at that table not only thinking, holy shit, I can't believe this is how this person thinks of me, you know, years after I've had this job, but also I was so embarrassed that Edwin even heard somebody talk about me that way. I didn't even admit to him that it was me and I had met him before. Like I was like, I just let it go. And still to this day, I bother you. I remember it, so imagine it on national television. Okay, you're right, you're right when when weight issues come into it or anything regarding women's bodies, that's tough.
Yeah. No, I I agree. I mean even like I was actually when I was when I was thinking about it. I remember my ex husband Peter. They called him. His nickname on the show was Papa Smurf, which he you know, I mean, let's just be honest, Papa's Smurf is not hot or anything. He's not that cute, all right, And then Peter he did kind of have like a little Papa Smurf thing going on. But it was like I was like, okay, So I was just like, you know, it is what it is, and we just kind of he just kind of laughed about it or whatever. But I understand how this could like be a little sensitive for for our girl Emily.
So and it's multiple times now where it's been Emily's body. Okay, other time Heather brought you know, remember she showed the boobs. Oh just look there, Emily, there's your big old boobs.
Okay.
I can just imagine. I'm and I'm really not coming down on Heather. I do feel like Heather. It's not great for her this episode. It's a lot coming at her. That being said, it's a lot more coming at Gin. And she's a season one er, probably dealing with a cheating boyfriend. So I feel like if I was gonna pick who I felt worse for in this moment, it ain't neither.
No, No, it's true. It's true, definitely Gin. Yeah, But do you I wanted to crawl into my computer and the only show and just helped Gin out at that table. But anyway, go ahead, and then do.
You agree that Heather condition but take it? Do you think she lacks a sense of humor? I think Heather is her best self and the confessionals, yes, yeah, Then what the women she I think when she starts to not feel comfortable, that's where she gives that air of I'm above this, and then that just pisses them off tenfold.
Yeah. Yeah, And I have to and I'm I'm It's not that I'm on Heather's side, but I do have to lean into what the other women say all the time on the show, is that I just don't think Heather is super aware of how her little digs land like, I just don't think she is intentionally coming in to really be offensive. I just think she's just like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh you're so cute. And then it's like she caught meute, you know what, I asked her to be at my mom whatever. And I just don't think she's thinking or overthinking like what she says. I just think she's who she is and it just lands where it lands. And you know, you know, the ladies you know, were just like, you know, it hits wrong sometimes, but I just think she just doesn't right.
Don't you also agree, if you're actually really close to somebody, you can kind of make jokes that the other ones take, a person takes. But if you're not super close, then you're always looking for it to be something to hurt your feeling.
Like Teddy, you could literally call me a snuff snuff up whatever, a snuff of love, I guess all day and I have my asshole. It would call me and that all you want, hey, all day long, and it would just be the funniest thing.
Ever, because I know the undertone is that we love each other and we're making light of a situation and it is what it is. But if you're there's not that true bond. There's always going to be awkward ship.
Not just say you know what, let me say this is really quick, because I thought about something like some of the ladies that I am closer to on the show, I remember like, you know, you know, Kenya is someone that you know, used to be super super close to on the show, and she would like take digs at me and I would just kind of laugh it off. It wouldn't really be offended because we kind of play with each other like that. And then on the show, the lads would be like, I can't believe you'd let her talk about your wines that are like that. Oh my god, she was being so disrespectful to you, you know, And I honestly was like, my friend, kid, Like she's my friend, so it's not disrespectful. Yeah, And I remember catching a lot of flight from the other castmates that I was not as close with, and they just felt like she was being disrespectful and I never looked at it that way.
And then but then it can take a turn and then all of a sudden, But but that's where if you can set boundaries, that's where you can go if you're true friends, you can go all right, this is actually enough?
Yeah enough. Yeah, And that's exactly what happened. There was definitely a point where it was like, okay, I know you're joking, but I don't like this this way. Yeah, like it's going on too long. Once okay, but you keep going back to it.
Yeah, and I and and Tama and I've had the same discussion. It's something so silly, but like she always thought it was funny to say John Mellencamp's daughter, like just and finally I just said, listen, I don't know why. I'm so proud of my dad. I love him, but this actually it bugs me, right, it's I laughed the first couple of times, but like, please, as as my friend, stop stop saying it. And she respected it because if you but if you just keep taking it and you don't actually say it, then people aren't mind readers. And if you laugh a couple of times, then they think you think it's funny.
Too, exactly, And that's why boundaries are so important. And I've just said, like I'm the boundary queen now, like as soon as I feel like someone's crossing the boundary, whether it's my mom, where's my kid, whether it's my friend, whether it's anyone you know, anyone I'm dating. I'm like, uh, that does not make me feel comfortable. Yeah, please respectfully, you know.
Respect my feeling Like yeah, and I know you may not mean it as anything, but it's just something for me.
Let's not.
Yeah, but I also did find so then they're like on these excursions where they're like doing turtles and parasite sailing and whatnot. But I find it pretty funny that Vicky had the nerve to say I was annoying and then she acts like that while she's parasailing.
Yeah, she was a mess there. She was a mess from the moment she gets strapped in so the moment they took her out. And it's likely I pair sail for the first time like last year, like two years ago, whatever. And I mean once you get up there, like at first it is like oh my god, him, my god, my god. But once you get up there, she's kind of.
Relaxing, like, yeah, it's not scary. It's not like they were gonna land and then have to ski on the water. Like they pull you right back into the boat like I've done it one thousand times, Like it ain't that bad. And also she.
Didn't jump out of a helicopter. Let's go, didn't jump out of a plane backwards like like that. Then that would be like something like that would take me out. But like, I would never do anything like that. I'm not a beinterest like that anyway.
But Heather cracked me up at this point when she's like, imagine, imagine you're at Codo insurance and they're sharpened pencils and post it's everywhere.
And emails to return, go back to that place. That was That was funny, and I love how the editing like, I love how the editors like put that together. It was cute.
That was funny. Then and we get to dinner. Yes, at dinner, Vicky says Ryan is the problem and that Jen should have made her marriage work for her kids. Gina says, you don't even know Jen, and you don't know the history. Vicky says that she left her husband for a loser and she will never forgive herself, so she hopes Jen didn't make the same mistake. Okay, first off, if Vicky would have led with Jen, I just have to say this, I left my husband for a loser and I still don't forgive myself to this day, I really hope you don't make the same mistake. That would have been all right. But she didn't. No, she didn't, she didn't. She made it about you should have made your marriage work for your kids.
And I think that is such an anodle your family, all these things.
I I was like, what are you doing?
I feel like Vicky was completely one thousand percent out of blind to come at that lady like that, who she is still getting to know? I believe, like I don't even think she really knows her that well. I don't think. But even if she did, like I could know, I could know you for one hundred years. You don't get to tell me how to live my life and what I should do and when what I shouldn't do, because everyone at that table has been in relationships that have had issues, and they have stayed for as long as they wanted to stay, and left when they felt like leaving, period point blank. You know what I'm saying.
So but I do love that.
You know what I do love is when a woman tries to, you know, to say, hey, you know what I feel you I've been in that space before. You know, I'm rooting for you, guys. I'm praying for you guys. And that's it. You give love. You don't come and say you just should have done and you should have did that and what is wrong with you?
No?
Absolutely, not completely.
I mean even I was offended for Ryan when Vicky was comparing him to Brooks, because you know, Brooks is the guy that pretended to have cancer on the show. Like Brooks is the worst of the worst. Yeah, And that's like you can't even compare the two.
No, that's not the same.
It's just not the same. Somebody, you know, potentially being a womanizer and somebody that pretends that they have.
A Yeah my mom is a breast cancer survivor.
Yeah. Like it's just so sick on so many levels that like you really can't compare. But also this is just another moment where, like Jen watching back, you have to figure out where you're going to step in. And maybe she's not because she's just actually worried about a relationship, yeah.
Or I just don't think she's a confrontational person. I just don't think she's comfortable like confronting people or being confronted. Like she just looks like she just kind of shuts down when people come at her, and it's like I can feel her will's turning. But she just does not seem like she's a confrontational person. But what I did think was funny was the fact that Vicky did come at her. And then there's a scene later on what Vicky's like. I don't like what when when women argue? I want to be like positive. But whatever she was saying, remember she got a pot.
Oh yeah, don't you worry? Well ended that because I have a lot of thought.
Okay, we'll say that, but I'm just gonna leave it with you know, I just think Jen is not a confrontational person.
I don't think I think she's a people pleaser, which.
You might be, and I and I relate to that because I used to Yeah, I was like the biggest people pleaser ever those days that ship has sailed.
That I used to be. Now, yeah, so you you could see people now.
Take your kindness for weakness and all of those things, and unfortunately, on the platform like this, you actually just look weak if you won't defend yourself or defend your man, or you know, just step up in a way just for your own and integrity, you know, what I'm And I think that's from her just to like say, hey, because we at this point, we're good. I'm good with Ran just I just need you to get everybody together that keeps coming.
For you and Ryan. But I think also when I think there's something about being on a show like this where you feel afraid to admit weakness or fear or sadness or any or vulnerability, where I think if she would have had that same conversation that she had with Ryan with the women, if she would have let herself break down for a second and say, of course I'm afraid of all of these things absolutely, oh my god, then they would have had to stop.
Coming, absolutely, because then they would have just looked like a bunch of assholes at that point. Yeah, And I think that's what we're missing as well. It's not even she didn't even have to confront them at this point, just give us that moment, like you said, where she could just say, you know what, ladies, I just want you to know that I really appreciate you guys, really care about that you care about me.
And I know this is hard.
I hear all of you, and I receive everything, but I am completely in love with this man, and I just wish you guys could just give me a little grace and just let me follow my heart and let me see how this works out for me. But I hear you, guys, and I love you guys for being concerned.
Yeah, that's what we're gonna do with that.
Like, there's nothing to do with that after except be left the hell alone.
Yep. Then then we get on like the bus or wherever the hell are going now. Emily says that Heather finally followed her back on Instagram. Heather says that she unfollowed everyone when she left the front because she had FOMO. Emily tells Heather that when you say you don't fit in, this is maybe the reason why. Heather says she has become the punching bag this trip and she can't do anything right and Heather just wants to go home. Would you be offended if someone from your cast unfollowed you after leaving the show? But hold on. So the part that didn't fully add up to me was she said she unfollowed everyone when she left the friend group. So that makes sense if you're going to say you're unfollowing Vicky and Tamra and Shannon and all of the cast that was currently on the show. However, Heather left season eleven and Emily and Gina came season thirteen. You would think once Heather came back on the show, she would follow her current cast, right, but she did not. So now she's letting them in bit by bit, and I I can see where that pisses them off.
Heather's following me, damn it, I'm not.
I'm sure Heather's not following me, but I'll check just for oh.
My goodness, Heather, you better be following me, because I think I follow her after I started doing the podcast, But after I started doing the podcast with you, I started following these ladies because now I'm all up in their business and I feel like they're my friends.
Following her the follows me. She's not following you.
I think so she is not following me that you, oh my god, you can at least follow me. I'm going to be the bigger person and continue to follow Heather. But why don't I do kind of the way that you're not following me, Heather, because I ride for you.
Can you send her a DM right now and say why don't you follow me?
She will see this podcast. Okay, and she would know damn well that she needs to be following me.
So I am my friend.
I've never met her, but she knows that we would get along if we ever met.
Oh my gosh.
But but anyway, So what was the question?
So should would you be would you be offended if someone from your cast unfollowed you or never followed you?
Okay, Well, I at this point I would appreciate or follow from anyone, whether I work with you or not, because I'm trying to stay Okay, don't following me if you follow me, that's number one. No, Like, seriously, cast, if it's a cast member that I just do not get along with, this person can't stand me, I can't stand them. I'm completely fine with them not to follow me. But if I feel like we're in a good place, respectfully, anyone anytime, you know, after being on the show for eleven years, you know, people came and went on the show, and if you were on the show, I just followed you because you were like word of the group. Now you know what I mean? And this is like a courtesy, Like I didn't really overthink It's like, oh, what's your Instagram?
Like I followed just anyone, Like if anyone from the current cast not follow you.
No, probably I haven't checked. I think most of them follow me still. But here's the thing, this is what I say. I'm a big fan of muting you. Okay, going back to the whole uh, if you're missing out thing or just not wanting like, that's not everyone that I've worked with on the show who I just want to see on my timeline.
But I don't want to go so far as to.
Block them because I don't want to be like, oh, Cynthia Bailey, but I don't.
Even want them to know now.
But I don't even them that much. I don't exactly exactly, but I there's so many people mute it that I just s don't want to see their lives, and I completely encourage them to mute me as well. If they don't want to see mine, just keep following me, girl, it's not that serious. Just mute me and then I'm gone.
Well, you we do know that they're definitely digging in the bottom of the cereal box looking for a prize. When you start a fight about Instagram and then Gina telling us what Instagram is, Instagram's actually where you follow people you like and like things and then call on the post. And but I do have to say it's a sad state of affairs that even Sutton and Garcel follow me. Still the Heather's not following her current cat. They're supposed to be her friends.
Yeah, I just tracked.
But Denise, I'm blocked from Denise. I can't see her. It's as if she doesn't exist on Instagram. I'm pretty sure since she's an only fan, she's probably got Instagram.
So yeah, I for me, it's I don't take my social media that seriously, obviously, but I do try to protect my energy.
And you're like, I don't take my social media seriously, not obviously. Every week on the pod, hey guys, just want to make sure that I can get to.
Please please follow me Cynthia Valley with a little blue check mark, all right, and once you follow me, do not unfollow me. Okay, your ass all time to follow me. Do not be trying to jump ship late. Okay. No, but I don't take my Instagram at seriously, No, seriously, Okay, I take that part seriously. I enjoyed people actually wanting to see what I have going on. Okay, but in terms of like, now, if you hate me, don't follow me. Okay, yeah, no, I don't need that. I don't need you to come exactly, only like the people that like me to follow me. Okay, let me be very clear about that, all right. So but yeah, well it's it's crazy. I feel like Heather. I feel like I feel like, just okay, this is a bullet that Heather could have dodged by just following everyone in the group follow ask about everything else. So she's just giving them ammunition at this point.
I am sure shaman's are wonderful, lovely, eye opening, but they're not made for housewives. That seem like a bunch of beasts, bs like I can't even imagine, Like what no, no, no, Tamra and Jen, both of them, they didn't even know what to say. They're like, I want peace. I want to like have no hate in my heart, no shit, So do I join the club? Dreamon?
I love Shaman personally and we we I feel like every franchise has that trip that they mostly when they go see a shawman. It just is part of the fabric of this Like I.
Feel like it's the same shaman. It's like that therapist that's out in Atlanta. It's like they just made the rounds.
But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Do I feel like in the whatever time they smit with the shaman that jin and camera oh got to magically got to this better place of peace and love and clarity.
Probably not.
I feel like the shaman would have had to dig a little deeper, maybe do a personal session with the two of them, you know what I'm saying. I pulled them to the side, let the other ladies leave. It just felt like, you're like, yay, okay, we're here with the shaman and now we love each other again.
Well, yeah, that was a little rough. Then they get to the restaurant where they have to they think they have to cross the net to go sit with everybody else. And I have a feeling if somebody was holding an orange at the end of that net, Vicky could have run her ass across real quick.
Oh my god. Matter of fact, even if there wasn't an like how far is the jumpet?
Give me a pair of wings and I'll flop my ass over there.
Fine, love, VICKI, Oh my god, that's hilarious. But now Shannon is literally me like she is afraid to do everything, like when she's on the.
Boat, like getting ready to go with the turno, bruised up from my flat to side, the slip and slide, like her trying to like go across the net like I thought I was a pussy.
Shannon is my girl, Like I am so much braver than she is across the board when it comes to be an adventuress with things, because she they show flash backs, they show flashbacks of her. I think they were doing some other like maybe zip line into something. When I tell you, this woman and action adventure should never be in the same, Like that's just not her thing.
I think. Also, she tends to be a little light on her feet when it comes to stumbling falling, Like if there's a chair tipping over, it's gonna be Shannon. Like if you just watch any history of anything, she's falling. So I guess I can get that. But the thing that I didn't get was like this is a bridge. This isn't like you could fall through it. It's not you weren't it wasn't a tight rope. You weren't having to like balance, like you're at the freaking circus.
To walk across and in all seriousness, it's a beautiful restaurant. Obviously it would be. These people are not trying to get soon, so they're not gonna can cock some way for you to get to the table that you could actually get hurt.
This is where things get askew. Heather says tear was the one talking badly about Emily. Tamra says she was repeating what Heather said. I'm with a bunch of fucking losers. Tamra says Heather was the one calling them losers blah blah blah. So I know all the backstory here. This isn't anything Tamer told me. I lived it, breathed it, all of it. So back when Tamar was not hired on Orange County yet she was solely doing to teas in a pod with me, Heather de Bro went on her own podcast and said Tamra should never come back to the show because she is a blogger. Now there is no room for her now. Tamra sends Heather a text message and says, why would you say that the ratings are down? Like why would you not want me to come back on and and help you know, like we're like all of this, and Heather responded, Uh, the ratings are low because I'm with a bunch of fucking losers.
So and you know this, This was the response Like this was.
They had full conversations about it. There was multiple back and forth, like cut to Tarma gets back on the show. We go to Bravocon together. We walk up to the table where Heather and Gina and Emily. I feel like Shannon may have been there too, but I'm not sure. And Tarma jokingly looks at Heather only and goes, oh, you're at the table with a bunch of fucking losers. Heather's eyes like go like this because she knows exactly what she's talking about. But this is a Bravocon. This is not going to come. None of the other women hear it. But at the table, Heather never denies it, just like kind of like makes the face. The next day, I do a podcast at Bravo Con with Tamra and Shannon Okay, and we're like, oh, hell tam Tama bringing up drama last night saying the fucking losers, and Tarma's laughing and she's like it's an inside joke. Blah blah blah. That's all the backstory, okay of what's happening here. But now what we're seeing is Heather is all of a sudden kind of trying to flip the script, saying Tamra said that about everybody at Bravo Con. But then she switches her tune and says, oh, no, you know Gina and Emily, I wasn't saying that about you. I was saying that about Noela and doctor Jin. Which also I'm like, why did doctor Jin and Noela have to get brought into this? They're not even on the freaking show anymore. But that's who she's saying she was originally talking about. But the point is anyone that says that, shit, it's not great. No, it's not great. But as all this is going down, you know to kind of my favorite part of this is Vicky starts to cry, saying she hates the drama, as if she didn't bring up Jin's relationship and what Taman told her twice this trip. Also, Vicky, I know you want your Orange back, that ain't the way to do it, right at the end, No, uh uh uh huh. Yes, if you want have Heather's back, go against Taram or do whatever you need to.
Do go for it.
But whatever you do, don't say I need to leave because I don't like the drama. Surefire away to not get a job back.
I know, I was very confused by Vickie this episode because I felt like, you know, she came in so hot on the trip, you know what I'm saying, and she had a lot to say, and she was you know, she came in gin and which I thought was completely Uh, the way she came in her was inappropriate for sure. Her intentions I think were maybe in a good place, but it just didn't land right. And then for her to at the end of this, after basically telling us what she should have left her husband and pretty much he's a damn fool at this point, okay, to literally go, you know, walk her hand and see how she doesn't like to argue with women, and you know, all this drama.
It's kind of like, this isn't me. And then all the flashbacks of her also not only just past flashbacks, what is Vicky currently doing with me? Oh, she came about me first. I never came for Vicky. Vicky came for me, that's right, I clapped back. And now she has consistently come for me every chance she can get in a public forum like the drama also me. But yeah, so then, my love.
You can always thank the editors for the numerous flashbacks of Vicky going in on people in a very dramatic wam. It adds, so you know you got it. It's like you say it, and then those receipts come from editors. It's like, WHOA, I don't know if you should say this thing's clear. I got that light.
You may as well just said, you know what, keep paying me episode by episode as a friend of I'll come in when I want to come in.
Listen, I pop in and out too. I get it.
I get it, like yeah, but you know, well we have to we run out of time. The episode ends with four hours later the Trace Amiga's Got drinking and dancing. Shannon's grateful. Do you wish that you could have been part of that Trace Amiga's dancing party.
Absolutely love tequila and I love to dance.
We need to have our own Trace amigas Tat party soon. But Cynthia, love you as always, and uh I will talk to you next week.
All right, Love you to day, Get luck with your surgery for you.
Thank you nighte
