Hi, guys, welcome to Legally Brunette with Emily Simpson and Shane Simpson. Hi, guys, welcome to our second episode of Legally Brunette. First of all, we apologize for having such a kind of long space in between our first episode, which was on the Menendez brothers, and our second episode, which we are going to delve into the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni case. But first of all, I think it's really important that we do a little bit of an update on Menendez. If you did not listen to our first episode, I would say go back and listen to it. It's a good episode on Menendez. But as of right now, they still have a resentencing hearing scheduled for January thirtieth and thirty first. However, the attorney for the family of the Menendez family members there's twenty four relatives who support the immediate release of Eric and Lyle. They are represented by Brian Friedman. He claims that he plans to petition for the Menindez case to be trans to a California Attorney General's office. That is because there is in his opinion, and I would agree with him, there is a conflict of interest So there is an attorney named Kathleen Katie who represented the one member of the Menendez family members who was against their receencing and release. His name is Milton. He is the brother of Kitty Menendez. He does not think that they should be released from prison. Kathleen Katy represented him pro bono and she has now been named the DA's Director of the Bureau of Victim's Services. She represented Milton who did not want them released from prison. She represented him pro bono. She was a big supporter of Hawkman being the new DA, So I think there's political undertones. And she has now been named the DA's Director of the Bureau of Victim's Services, which means she would be heavily involved in the resentencing.

Hi, guys, welcome to Legally Brunette with Emily Simpson and Shane Simpson. Hi, guys, welcome to our second episode of Legally Brunette. First of all, we apologize for having such a kind of long space in between our first episode, which was on the Menendez brothers, and our second episode, which we are going to delve into the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni case. But first of all, I think it's really important that we do a little bit of an update on Menendez. If you did not listen to our first episode, I would say go back and listen to it. It's a good episode on Menendez. But as of right now, they still have a resentencing hearing scheduled for January thirtieth and thirty first. However, the attorney for the family of the Menendez family members there's twenty four relatives who support the immediate release of Eric and Lyle. They are represented by Brian Friedman. He claims that he plans to petition for the Menindez case to be trans to a California Attorney General's office. That is because there is in his opinion, and I would agree with him, there is a conflict of interest So there is an attorney named Kathleen Katie who represented the one member of the Menendez family members who was against their receencing and release. His name is Milton. He is the brother of Kitty Menendez. He does not think that they should be released from prison. Kathleen Katy represented him pro bono and she has now been named the DA's Director of the Bureau of Victim's Services. She represented Milton who did not want them released from prison. She represented him pro bono. She was a big supporter of Hawkman being the new DA, So I think there's political undertones. And she has now been named the DA's Director of the Bureau of Victim's Services, which means she would be heavily involved in the resentencing.

So there's going to be hearing on the conflict. Is there going to be a determination with Well, that's.

So there's going to be hearing on the conflict. Is there going to be a determination with Well, that's.

Where we're at. I think procedurally, what will happen is I think that January thirtieth hearing will either get continued or taken off calendar if he files a petition. I think he'll either file a petition to recuse her from the case or a petition to move the venue. So anyway, I do know that today, the new DA is meeting with the twenty four family members who support their release.

Where we're at. I think procedurally, what will happen is I think that January thirtieth hearing will either get continued or taken off calendar if he files a petition. I think he'll either file a petition to recuse her from the case or a petition to move the venue. So anyway, I do know that today, the new DA is meeting with the twenty four family members who support their release.

I think the little I come across with the new DA. Some people think that the new DA is opposed to their release or some of the effect. But I think it's more the DA needs to be He's new, he's in office. He's going to be caught up on everything. Right, He's not just going to green light it because it's a Netflix special, right.

I think the little I come across with the new DA. Some people think that the new DA is opposed to their release or some of the effect. But I think it's more the DA needs to be He's new, he's in office. He's going to be caught up on everything. Right, He's not just going to green light it because it's a Netflix special, right.

I agree, And I think he needed the time to go back and he wanted to go through everything thoroughly. I do think people speculated that he was not in favor of their recencing release because he met with Milton already, and Milton is the brother of Kitty, like I said earlier, who does not want them released from prison? And I think people interpreted that as him being pro Well, you.

I agree, And I think he needed the time to go back and he wanted to go through everything thoroughly. I do think people speculated that he was not in favor of their recencing release because he met with Milton already, and Milton is the brother of Kitty, like I said earlier, who does not want them released from prison? And I think people interpreted that as him being pro Well, you.

Know what way to look at it? Do you want the DA to be thorough?

Know what way to look at it? Do you want the DA to be thorough?

Right?

Right?

Because if he or she is not thorough and then something comes up that hinders the recensing hearing or they are all their opportunities to be released. I mean, they could go against them as well. So you want them to be thorough and you don't want it to cause an issue later down the road that maybe it's a faulty hearing of some sort or I agree, and.

Because if he or she is not thorough and then something comes up that hinders the recensing hearing or they are all their opportunities to be released. I mean, they could go against them as well. So you want them to be thorough and you don't want it to cause an issue later down the road that maybe it's a faulty hearing of some sort or I agree, and.

I think it's not an issue of him being thorough. I think that's a good thing. I think the issue is that this Kathleen Katie is now part of the DA's office and she's director of the Victim Services Section, which would be representing the family members are considered victims of a crime, certainly, and I think people are afraid that there's a conflict of interests there because she's been representing Milton pro bono and then that's the side that she would lean to. So it looks to me like a conflict of interest and that she should either be ricus from the case or else the venue needs to be changed.

I think it's not an issue of him being thorough. I think that's a good thing. I think the issue is that this Kathleen Katie is now part of the DA's office and she's director of the Victim Services Section, which would be representing the family members are considered victims of a crime, certainly, and I think people are afraid that there's a conflict of interests there because she's been representing Milton pro bono and then that's the side that she would lean to. So it looks to me like a conflict of interest and that she should either be ricus from the case or else the venue needs to be changed.

So anyway, we.

So anyway, we.

Will continue to follow that and give you any updates as they Yeah, time will tell you as they come up. All right, let's get into the Blake Lively Justin Baldoni case, which by the way, is so crazy and convoluted. I have spent probably the last four or five days. I have read the entire complaint that Blake Lively's attorneys filed, and I have read the entire complaint that Justin Baldoni's attorneys have filed on his behalf against The New York Times as mostly there's several causes of action, but a libel case.

Will continue to follow that and give you any updates as they Yeah, time will tell you as they come up. All right, let's get into the Blake Lively Justin Baldoni case, which by the way, is so crazy and convoluted. I have spent probably the last four or five days. I have read the entire complaint that Blake Lively's attorneys filed, and I have read the entire complaint that Justin Baldoni's attorneys have filed on his behalf against The New York Times as mostly there's several causes of action, but a libel case.

Okay, Well, then let's keep it simple, because I don't know as much as you do on this case yet. So what's the first in the order of events. What's the first thing that has surfaced, whether it be a legal proceeding or whether it just be a formal complaint or an informal complaint.

Okay, Well, then let's keep it simple, because I don't know as much as you do on this case yet. So what's the first in the order of events. What's the first thing that has surfaced, whether it be a legal proceeding or whether it just be a formal complaint or an informal complaint.

Well, let's go just a little bit, and let's just say, let's just start with this. All surrounds the movie It Ends with Us, which was a book written by Colleen Hoover. I'm not sure exactly when she wrote it, probably I don't know, but I read it i'd say three to four years ago. It was a very popular book. It Ends with Us, Okay, it has to do a domestic violence. It has a very strong female leader. Her name's Lily Bloom. I think a lot of people connected with it. I liked it. I thought it was a great book. I think I read it during the whole quarantine time frame when I was reading a lot because there wasn't anything else to do.

Well, let's go just a little bit, and let's just say, let's just start with this. All surrounds the movie It Ends with Us, which was a book written by Colleen Hoover. I'm not sure exactly when she wrote it, probably I don't know, but I read it i'd say three to four years ago. It was a very popular book. It Ends with Us, Okay, it has to do a domestic violence. It has a very strong female leader. Her name's Lily Bloom. I think a lot of people connected with it. I liked it. I thought it was a great book. I think I read it during the whole quarantine time frame when I was reading a lot because there wasn't anything else to do.

Well, you like a lot of Hoover's book.

Well, you like a lot of Hoover's book.

I do, I do. I'm a big fan of Colleen Hoover and actually good friends with her. I like her very much. And just side note, Colleen does support Blake in this situation. She posted on her Instagram and support of Blake. She didn't say anything negative about Justin, which I appreciated, but she did support Blake anyway. When the movie premiered over the summer, there was a lot of speculation that there was tension on set between Justin and Blake Lively. Blake Lively was the lead role. Justin Baldoni owns the production company called Wayfairer, and he and a partner, Jamie He's owned the production company. They bought the rights to the book to make a screenplay five years ago.

I do, I do. I'm a big fan of Colleen Hoover and actually good friends with her. I like her very much. And just side note, Colleen does support Blake in this situation. She posted on her Instagram and support of Blake. She didn't say anything negative about Justin, which I appreciated, but she did support Blake anyway. When the movie premiered over the summer, there was a lot of speculation that there was tension on set between Justin and Blake Lively. Blake Lively was the lead role. Justin Baldoni owns the production company called Wayfairer, and he and a partner, Jamie He's owned the production company. They bought the rights to the book to make a screenplay five years ago.

Okay, so this so they bought the screenplay and they planned to produce it themselves, right, And.

Okay, so this so they bought the screenplay and they planned to produce it themselves, right, And.

He's also backed his company is backed by a third friend who is a billionaire. His last name is Sarrowitz, and he's also a part of all this.

He's also backed his company is backed by a third friend who is a billionaire. His last name is Sarrowitz, and he's also a part of all this.

Legal Okay, so we got three people so far in the production side.

Legal Okay, so we got three people so far in the production side.

So when the movie premiered, I would say there was a ton of press surrounding all this tension between these people. I would say, based upon the things I read that I was very much swayed towards Blake Lively being difficult, being hard.

So when the movie premiered, I would say there was a ton of press surrounding all this tension between these people. I would say, based upon the things I read that I was very much swayed towards Blake Lively being difficult, being hard.

To work with.

To work with.

I would say a lot of interviews and the past resurfaced that showed her being kind of disrespectful, a little condescendings. I think she got a lot of bad press. Also, there was a lot of things being said that she wasn't promoting the movie and the way it should because it had to do with domestic violence, that she was focusing more on it being like something you like a chick flick, go go see it with your girlfriends, wear a flowery dress, have a cocktail. And she was also, I mean, the heart of the movie is domestic violence, and it's I think it's considered intimate domestic violence where it's they're married.

I would say a lot of interviews and the past resurfaced that showed her being kind of disrespectful, a little condescendings. I think she got a lot of bad press. Also, there was a lot of things being said that she wasn't promoting the movie and the way it should because it had to do with domestic violence, that she was focusing more on it being like something you like a chick flick, go go see it with your girlfriends, wear a flowery dress, have a cocktail. And she was also, I mean, the heart of the movie is domestic violence, and it's I think it's considered intimate domestic violence where it's they're married.

Okay, But if she's promoting in a way where it's a fun girl movie, how was I mean, maybe that's incorrect, but maybe that's that's how she saw it. I don't know. I mean, is that wrong that she I mean if I think Diehard is a funny movie, but everyone else thinks is an action flick, because we will think it's a Christmas movie. I mean, is that wrong?

Okay, But if she's promoting in a way where it's a fun girl movie, how was I mean, maybe that's incorrect, but maybe that's that's how she saw it. I don't know. I mean, is that wrong that she I mean if I think Diehard is a funny movie, but everyone else thinks is an action flick, because we will think it's a Christmas movie. I mean, is that wrong?

Well, I think people took it as it was disrespectful to people who have been of a serious situation. So so that's just some of the background between those two parties. When there was, you know, the movie premiere, I think they weren't even on the red carpet together, and so there was a lot of Art.

Well, I think people took it as it was disrespectful to people who have been of a serious situation. So so that's just some of the background between those two parties. When there was, you know, the movie premiere, I think they weren't even on the red carpet together, and so there was a lot of Art.

And Lively and there are a couple in the movie. Their characters are a couple.

And Lively and there are a couple in the movie. Their characters are a couple.

They're married in the movie. Okay, so on December twenty, it's a twenty twenty four, Blake Lively files a sexual harassment complaint against Justin Baldoni with the California Civil Rights Department. Now this is important that she filed with the California Civil Rights Department, which means it's more of an administrative suit at this point, it's not a civil or criminal suit. So she filed an eighty page legal complaint which accused Baldoni of sexual harassment during filming, as well as retaliation against Lively when she attempted to stand up against the allegedmist behavior. Okay, it's I did read the eighty page complaint. I read all the exhibits, but here's the crux of it. Simultaneous with the complaint being filed, The New York Times published a piece entitled we Can Bury Anyone inside a Hollywood Smear Machine. It was published live on December twenty first, the day after her complaint was filed. Now, if you kind of cross reference it with Justin Baldoni's suit against the New York Times, he claims that they were told I think they were given notice. I don't remember the exact time, but it was like nine thirty PM that this piece was going to come out, and they had I think only like a fourteen hour timeframe to respond to it, and they were given until noon the next day to respond, but they ended up publishing the article earlier than what they had given them a time frame to respond.

They're married in the movie. Okay, so on December twenty, it's a twenty twenty four, Blake Lively files a sexual harassment complaint against Justin Baldoni with the California Civil Rights Department. Now this is important that she filed with the California Civil Rights Department, which means it's more of an administrative suit at this point, it's not a civil or criminal suit. So she filed an eighty page legal complaint which accused Baldoni of sexual harassment during filming, as well as retaliation against Lively when she attempted to stand up against the allegedmist behavior. Okay, it's I did read the eighty page complaint. I read all the exhibits, but here's the crux of it. Simultaneous with the complaint being filed, The New York Times published a piece entitled we Can Bury Anyone inside a Hollywood Smear Machine. It was published live on December twenty first, the day after her complaint was filed. Now, if you kind of cross reference it with Justin Baldoni's suit against the New York Times, he claims that they were told I think they were given notice. I don't remember the exact time, but it was like nine thirty PM that this piece was going to come out, and they had I think only like a fourteen hour timeframe to respond to it, and they were given until noon the next day to respond, but they ended up publishing the article earlier than what they had given them a time frame to respond.

Did that time frame? Where did that time frame come?

Did that time frame? Where did that time frame come?

It came from a New York Times The author of the oh, like, we're going to publish this at such time. I believe they sent the piece to them and said, we're going to publish this. What's your response. You have until noon the following day, But then they ended up publishing it at like ten am.

It came from a New York Times The author of the oh, like, we're going to publish this at such time. I believe they sent the piece to them and said, we're going to publish this. What's your response. You have until noon the following day, But then they ended up publishing it at like ten am.

Okay, So I mean, can you.

Okay, So I mean, can you.

Imagine as an attorney or as the you know, the as Justin Baldoni. You receive a ninety page complaint against you with all these exhibits attached, and then you're supposed to have a response to it.

Imagine as an attorney or as the you know, the as Justin Baldoni. You receive a ninety page complaint against you with all these exhibits attached, and then you're supposed to have a response to it.

Well, you're supposed to absorb it all. Then you're supposed to interview people to figure out what's going on and then create a response.

Well, you're supposed to absorb it all. Then you're supposed to interview people to figure out what's going on and then create a response.

Right, Yeah, So I think that was a big I mean, that was a problem.

Right, Yeah, So I think that was a big I mean, that was a problem.

I believe you didn't really first filing. You said it wasn't a civil complaint, and it certainly wasn't criminals, So what was it?

I believe you didn't really first filing. You said it wasn't a civil complaint, and it certainly wasn't criminals, So what was it?

Well, no, it was more of an administrative complaint she filed with the California is just a.

Well, no, it was more of an administrative complaint she filed with the California is just a.

Document kind of time stamp the complaint or was it an hr A union?

Document kind of time stamp the complaint or was it an hr A union?

Yeah, I believe so, I don't really know. All I know is that she did end up filing basically the same complaint in federal court in New York. Okay, So now we've got a California Civil Rights Department complaint filed, We've got Justin Baldoni filing a libel suit against The New York Times, and then we've got Blake filing basically the same sexual harassment suit in a federal court in New York.

Yeah, I believe so, I don't really know. All I know is that she did end up filing basically the same complaint in federal court in New York. Okay, So now we've got a California Civil Rights Department complaint filed, We've got Justin Baldoni filing a libel suit against The New York Times, and then we've got Blake filing basically the same sexual harassment suit in a federal court in New York.

Okay, so have the eighty page complaint that you're right, what's the juicy stuff it? Well, let's get to the get to what we're here for.

Okay, so have the eighty page complaint that you're right, what's the juicy stuff it? Well, let's get to the get to what we're here for.

Okay, let's get to the juicy stuff. So, she claims that during filming that she was subjected to sexual harassment and some of her some of her examples are showing nude images of women.

Okay, let's get to the juicy stuff. So, she claims that during filming that she was subjected to sexual harassment and some of her some of her examples are showing nude images of women.

But basically, no, no, no, who is she saying is sexually harassing her?

But basically, no, no, no, who is she saying is sexually harassing her?

Well, this is the thing. I feel like you have to read her complaint and then you have to read justin Baldoni's complaint to actually understand what's going on. Because she claims she's shown nude images. He claims those nude images were his partner, mister Heath, showing her his wife giving birth as part of because there's a scene where she gives birth in the movie. Okay, So he claims that it was a creative type of conversation, like you should we should film it like this, Look here's my wife giving birth.

Well, this is the thing. I feel like you have to read her complaint and then you have to read justin Baldoni's complaint to actually understand what's going on. Because she claims she's shown nude images. He claims those nude images were his partner, mister Heath, showing her his wife giving birth as part of because there's a scene where she gives birth in the movie. Okay, So he claims that it was a creative type of conversation, like you should we should film it like this, Look here's my wife giving birth.

Okay.

Okay.

So to him, it's an innocuous, benign video of a woman giving birth. To her, she's claiming.

So to him, it's an innocuous, benign video of a woman giving birth. To her, she's claiming.

He's showing something inappropriate.

He's showing something inappropriate.

Her showing inappropriate images of women, also talking about porn and some type of porn addiction. And then apparently her trainer was asked about her weight, which she claims is body shaming. His response is, there was supposedly a scene where he's supposed to pick her up, and he has back problems, so he went to her trainer and asked how much she weighed. Well, at least he didn't ask her. No, he circumvented her. He went to the trainer asked how much she weighed. I guess she found out about it, and she basically claimed that he was body shaming her. You know, that's a hard one for me. I can see both sides. I can understand she just gave birth when she filmed the movie four months prior, so I can understand she gave birth in real life, and she gives birth in the movie. And then he shows her a video of birthing. Yes, it's a kind of a birthing going on, So she claims that she was body shamed. She also claims that there wasn't an intimacy coordinator on set and that there should be. But then in his.

Her showing inappropriate images of women, also talking about porn and some type of porn addiction. And then apparently her trainer was asked about her weight, which she claims is body shaming. His response is, there was supposedly a scene where he's supposed to pick her up, and he has back problems, so he went to her trainer and asked how much she weighed. Well, at least he didn't ask her. No, he circumvented her. He went to the trainer asked how much she weighed. I guess she found out about it, and she basically claimed that he was body shaming her. You know, that's a hard one for me. I can see both sides. I can understand she just gave birth when she filmed the movie four months prior, so I can understand she gave birth in real life, and she gives birth in the movie. And then he shows her a video of birthing. Yes, it's a kind of a birthing going on, So she claims that she was body shamed. She also claims that there wasn't an intimacy coordinator on set and that there should be. But then in his.

I imagine the intimacy coordinator is probably always right. It's probably standard thing. I know I would want one if I was a production company, I would want one there because you need like a third kind of neutral party or someone to kind of set the record straight as to what the place.

I imagine the intimacy coordinator is probably always right. It's probably standard thing. I know I would want one if I was a production company, I would want one there because you need like a third kind of neutral party or someone to kind of set the record straight as to what the place.

I think what they do is they actually coordinate the movements so that it's.

I think what they do is they actually coordinate the movements so that it's.

Would you like hiring coordinators? We'll look into that, sir. So there was none on set, No, there was.

Would you like hiring coordinators? We'll look into that, sir. So there was none on set, No, there was.

So in her complaint is she makes it like there wasn't an intimacy coordinator. Then in his filing he says there was an intimacy coordinator, and he shows text messages where he texts Blake and said would you like to meet with the intimacy coordinator? And she says basically like not right now. So then Justin meets with the intimacy coordinator on his own, takes notes, and then when he goes to the scene, he's giving the notes apparently allegedly from his Yeah.

So in her complaint is she makes it like there wasn't an intimacy coordinator. Then in his filing he says there was an intimacy coordinator, and he shows text messages where he texts Blake and said would you like to meet with the intimacy coordinator? And she says basically like not right now. So then Justin meets with the intimacy coordinator on his own, takes notes, and then when he goes to the scene, he's giving the notes apparently allegedly from his Yeah.

Yeah, he could have just wrote whatever he wanted. I mean, that's true to she approved this, She approved this this. So that's that's very faulty right there. You have a you're saying he didn't protect himself. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, he could have just wrote whatever he wanted. I mean, that's true to she approved this, She approved this this. So that's that's very faulty right there. You have a you're saying he didn't protect himself. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

You're saying you have an intimacy coordinator, she chooses not to meet with intimacy coordinator. You meet with the intimate intimacy coordinator, You take notes.

You're saying you have an intimacy coordinator, she chooses not to meet with intimacy coordinator. You meet with the intimate intimacy coordinator, You take notes.

If anything, she should have seen something, say she's waving her opportunities to be with an intimacy coordinator. That's what you do. Like if you get injured on the job. Yeah, and then you refuse medical attention, you have to sign. You typically sign something saying I refuse medical attention.

If anything, she should have seen something, say she's waving her opportunities to be with an intimacy coordinator. That's what you do. Like if you get injured on the job. Yeah, and then you refuse medical attention, you have to sign. You typically sign something saying I refuse medical attention.

Well, I don't think she didn't. As far as the text messages that I saw in the complaint. In Baldoni's complaint, she didn't refuse. She just said not now, maybe later. And so he was meeting with the coordinator on his own, taking his own notes, and then going back into the scene. She claims that he was improvising these sex scenes too much like he bit her lip. He was doing things that were inappropriate, that were outside the scope. Okay, I guess outside the scope of her nudity writer. I've never heard of a nudity writer before. I'm not. I mean, we don't have them on reality. Maybe we should need one. But apparently outside of your regular contract as the main star in this she also has a nudity writer which outlines I'm sure it's specific, I haven't seen.

Well, I don't think she didn't. As far as the text messages that I saw in the complaint. In Baldoni's complaint, she didn't refuse. She just said not now, maybe later. And so he was meeting with the coordinator on his own, taking his own notes, and then going back into the scene. She claims that he was improvising these sex scenes too much like he bit her lip. He was doing things that were inappropriate, that were outside the scope. Okay, I guess outside the scope of her nudity writer. I've never heard of a nudity writer before. I'm not. I mean, we don't have them on reality. Maybe we should need one. But apparently outside of your regular contract as the main star in this she also has a nudity writer which outlines I'm sure it's specific, I haven't seen.

Okay, So, cutting to the chase, she claimed he deviated from whatever her expectations were and whatever her limits were.

Okay, So, cutting to the chase, she claimed he deviated from whatever her expectations were and whatever her limits were.

Right then, she also claims that not only Baldoni, but also his business partner, mister Heath, would enter while she was breastfeeding, and that that made her uncomfortable or that she.

Right then, she also claims that not only Baldoni, but also his business partner, mister Heath, would enter while she was breastfeeding, and that that made her uncomfortable or that she.

Was changing her That's where I have a problem. Why wasn't her door locked? I mean, if I'm going to change my pants, I'm going to lock the door. You know. I'm not saying it's her fault. Yeah, but if she if someone doesn't lock the door in a time where they don't want someone walking in on them, and then someone walks in on them, Okay, that's an unfortunate incident. Now, lesson learned. Don't walk in without knocking, and also lock the door, right.

Was changing her That's where I have a problem. Why wasn't her door locked? I mean, if I'm going to change my pants, I'm going to lock the door. You know. I'm not saying it's her fault. Yeah, but if she if someone doesn't lock the door in a time where they don't want someone walking in on them, and then someone walks in on them, Okay, that's an unfortunate incident. Now, lesson learned. Don't walk in without knocking, and also lock the door, right.

I don't you know the whole walking in on her when she's breastfeeding or whatever. Again, I have to cross reference it with Baldoni's complaining against The New York Times because he does insert text messages where she invites him in to work onlines while she's I believe pumping milk okay, So I think she said a time.

I don't you know the whole walking in on her when she's breastfeeding or whatever. Again, I have to cross reference it with Baldoni's complaining against The New York Times because he does insert text messages where she invites him in to work onlines while she's I believe pumping milk okay, So I think she said a time.

So I'm guessing that the initial complaints only showed her side. He walked in on me, he showed me this video. Then he eventually responds in whatever format and he's like, yeah, but we had Now he's filling in the blanks. Yeah, but we had text conversations. She was okay with me being present while she was bumping for breast milk, and she denied or she waved kind of the opportunity to see the intimacy coordinate at least at that moment exactly. So he's filling in these he's providing all his defenses, right, and he's substantiating it with like texts and stuff.

So I'm guessing that the initial complaints only showed her side. He walked in on me, he showed me this video. Then he eventually responds in whatever format and he's like, yeah, but we had Now he's filling in the blanks. Yeah, but we had text conversations. She was okay with me being present while she was bumping for breast milk, and she denied or she waved kind of the opportunity to see the intimacy coordinate at least at that moment exactly. So he's filling in these he's providing all his defenses, right, and he's substantiating it with like texts and stuff.

I believe his response to his suit against The New York Times was very telling for me. I think, if you are really interested in this case and you really want to have an informed opinion on what's going on, I would say, read Blake's complaint. It's eighty pages, but you can read it pretty quickly. You know, every time you file a complaint, attorney on your behalf, it's persuasive, right, You're going to write it from the perspective you're going to advocate for your own client, You're gonna you're going to leave out certain things that are damaging to damaging exactly. So you read her complaint and you're like, Wow, this guy did all these things and he acted like this, and he you know, you have this vision of him like intruding into her space and you know, making out with her when they say cut, but he's still kissing her and you know. But then you read his complaint against The New York Times, and he really kind of a it does. He really substantiates what happened why, and he has some really good defenses.

I believe his response to his suit against The New York Times was very telling for me. I think, if you are really interested in this case and you really want to have an informed opinion on what's going on, I would say, read Blake's complaint. It's eighty pages, but you can read it pretty quickly. You know, every time you file a complaint, attorney on your behalf, it's persuasive, right, You're going to write it from the perspective you're going to advocate for your own client, You're gonna you're going to leave out certain things that are damaging to damaging exactly. So you read her complaint and you're like, Wow, this guy did all these things and he acted like this, and he you know, you have this vision of him like intruding into her space and you know, making out with her when they say cut, but he's still kissing her and you know. But then you read his complaint against The New York Times, and he really kind of a it does. He really substantiates what happened why, and he has some really good defenses.

Okay. And then there's and is that in the complaint? Is that in the uh legal proceedings with the defamation suit? Or is that in his response to.

Okay. And then there's and is that in the complaint? Is that in the uh legal proceedings with the defamation suit? Or is that in his response to.

Her He hasn't responded to her yet.

Her He hasn't responded to her yet.

Oh, he hasn't responded her yet. No, okay, So we only have her complaints, her complaints and then his defamation laws. Did they initiated with The New York Times? Yes? And you're saying, read both those and then that's what you're putting together. Yes, and he has not yet responded to her complaint. No, that would be more telling as well exactly.

Oh, he hasn't responded her yet. No, okay, So we only have her complaints, her complaints and then his defamation laws. Did they initiated with The New York Times? Yes? And you're saying, read both those and then that's what you're putting together. Yes, and he has not yet responded to her complaint. No, that would be more telling as well exactly.

I know that they are actually and this is interesting. I didn't make this connection earlier in this in this conversation we're having. But Brian Friedman, who represents the Menindaz family, is Justin Baldoni's attorney. So this man is a busy man. He is out there representing the Menindaz family trying to get them released from prison, while he's also representing Justin Baldoni in this Blake Lively case. So Brian Friedman is a busy man right now. So he claims that he well, obviously they're gonna they're gonna file a response, which is interesting because then I feel like we're gonna have to do another episode because we're gonna have to go through his response, which I assume his response is going to kind of mirror what he filed against The New York Times for libel. It's going to have a lot of the same information in it.

I know that they are actually and this is interesting. I didn't make this connection earlier in this in this conversation we're having. But Brian Friedman, who represents the Menindaz family, is Justin Baldoni's attorney. So this man is a busy man. He is out there representing the Menindaz family trying to get them released from prison, while he's also representing Justin Baldoni in this Blake Lively case. So Brian Friedman is a busy man right now. So he claims that he well, obviously they're gonna they're gonna file a response, which is interesting because then I feel like we're gonna have to do another episode because we're gonna have to go through his response, which I assume his response is going to kind of mirror what he filed against The New York Times for libel. It's going to have a lot of the same information in it.

Right.

Right.

So, also, she not only claims sexual harassment, but she also claims in her complaint that they had a a meticulous, very planned out, coordinated attack on her character.

So, also, she not only claims sexual harassment, but she also claims in her complaint that they had a a meticulous, very planned out, coordinated attack on her character.

Because towards the why hold on, why would they plan and attack? Assuming that's correct, why would they plan an attack on her character, because when and what timeline of events is this?

Because towards the why hold on, why would they plan and attack? Assuming that's correct, why would they plan an attack on her character, because when and what timeline of events is this?

Okay, So when the movie was about to be released, Justin Baldoni hires a crisis management PR firm. They're the same ones that represented Johnny Depp. This is her name is Melissa Nathan. He also has another PR person named Jennifer Abel.

Okay, So when the movie was about to be released, Justin Baldoni hires a crisis management PR firm. They're the same ones that represented Johnny Depp. This is her name is Melissa Nathan. He also has another PR person named Jennifer Abel.

Why it's not normal. I'm going to release a movie. I need to get a crisis management team.

Why it's not normal. I'm going to release a movie. I need to get a crisis management team.

That's probably not normal. But I think he was thinking, if she makes these, you know, sexual harassment allegations public, he.

That's probably not normal. But I think he was thinking, if she makes these, you know, sexual harassment allegations public, he.

First complaints had already been made internally, and so he had fear or worrisome that it would surface and probably cause damage to his reputation or the movie.

First complaints had already been made internally, and so he had fear or worrisome that it would surface and probably cause damage to his reputation or the movie.

Right, So let's go back a little bit. So they film half of the movie, let's just say half. Then the writer's strike occurs, Okay, so they have to shut down production. They don't film for months. On November, they production, I know there's an actor's strike.

Right, So let's go back a little bit. So they film half of the movie, let's just say half. Then the writer's strike occurs, Okay, so they have to shut down production. They don't film for months. On November, they production, I know there's an actor's strike.

There was an actor strike.

There was an actor strike.

Whatever the already done, right, Okay, there's an actor's strike. There's a strike. Good thing I'm here, Good thing you are here. Okay, there's a strike. They shut down production. They can't film the rest of the movie. Got it On November nine, the strike is over. Everybody can go back to work. On that same day, there is an email sent to Wayfair Justin Baldoni, his partner from Blake's legal team, basically saying that they need to put a protections for return to production into places. That's what you called it, a protections for return to.

Whatever the already done, right, Okay, there's an actor's strike. There's a strike. Good thing I'm here, Good thing you are here. Okay, there's a strike. They shut down production. They can't film the rest of the movie. Got it On November nine, the strike is over. Everybody can go back to work. On that same day, there is an email sent to Wayfair Justin Baldoni, his partner from Blake's legal team, basically saying that they need to put a protections for return to production into places. That's what you called it, a protections for return to.

Production, protections for return to production.

Production, protections for return to production.

Protections for return to production.

Protections for return to production.

Okay, what is that?

Okay, what is that?

In Layman's terms, it's basically seventeen items that were listed that all needed to be adhered to and agreed upon for Blake to return to the set to film the rest of the movie.

In Layman's terms, it's basically seventeen items that were listed that all needed to be adhered to and agreed upon for Blake to return to the set to film the rest of the movie.

So again late terms, she fears things went off the rail a little bit. They have a pause because of the strike. They come back to set and she's saying, these are seventeen issues that I need addressed right in some fashion, right.

So again late terms, she fears things went off the rail a little bit. They have a pause because of the strike. They come back to set and she's saying, these are seventeen issues that I need addressed right in some fashion, right.

And it's basically in Layman's You know, I didn't write down all sets.

And it's basically in Layman's You know, I didn't write down all sets.

One of them. Yeah, it had a lot of birthing videos.

One of them. Yeah, it had a lot of birthing videos.

Birthing videos. It was basically in a nutshell to cease on set behavior of mister Baldoni and his partner, mister Heath both parties agreed to adopt it. And I do know that I believe that there was a response to those seventeen you know, requests of basically like, we don't agree with everything that you're we're not asking, we're not admitting, we're not admitting that we did these things.

Birthing videos. It was basically in a nutshell to cease on set behavior of mister Baldoni and his partner, mister Heath both parties agreed to adopt it. And I do know that I believe that there was a response to those seventeen you know, requests of basically like, we don't agree with everything that you're we're not asking, we're not admitting, we're not admitting that we did these things.

But will acknowledge your complaints and probably correct it going forward, right, And well, that's pretty good, that's professional so far.

But will acknowledge your complaints and probably correct it going forward, right, And well, that's pretty good, that's professional so far.

Right, So basically it's like, look, I don't think we did all these things, but in order to move ahead and to film the rest of this movie, and everything you're asking is reasonable. Clearly, there shouldn't be nudity, There shouldn't be poorn, there shouldn't be sexual harassment, you shouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable. Like we correct, We okay, we agree, and you know, they signed off on it. Part of those seventeen terms, one of them was an it was called an all hands and meeting where she wanted justin the Wayfarer people people from Sony because Sony was the one that is the movie.

Right, So basically it's like, look, I don't think we did all these things, but in order to move ahead and to film the rest of this movie, and everything you're asking is reasonable. Clearly, there shouldn't be nudity, There shouldn't be poorn, there shouldn't be sexual harassment, you shouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable. Like we correct, We okay, we agree, and you know, they signed off on it. Part of those seventeen terms, one of them was an it was called an all hands and meeting where she wanted justin the Wayfarer people people from Sony because Sony was the one that is the movie.

She wanted a lot of the big wags right.

She wanted a lot of the big wags right.

And her there also with some producers and they were doing it what's called all hands and yeah, so that was scheduled for January fourth because January fifth was when they were going to pick up production again.

And her there also with some producers and they were doing it what's called all hands and yeah, so that was scheduled for January fourth because January fifth was when they were going to pick up production again.

There was a little bit of pressure. So like the day before, she wants a meeting, right, so they have the meeting.

There was a little bit of pressure. So like the day before, she wants a meeting, right, so they have the meeting.

They have the meeting. This meeting takes place at her penthouse with Ryan Reynolds, who is her husband present, apparently according to.

They have the meeting. This meeting takes place at her penthouse with Ryan Reynolds, who is her husband present, apparently according to.

Well, Okay, I don't know. I don't know how Hollywood works or anything, but the husband being present, I don't know that that. If the issue was with you, I would support you one hundred percent. But I don't know if i'd be the right person to be in the meeting. You'd have to have a professional in there, like another lawyer, someone that's kind of hired help. Well, I do as opposed to like he's part of it.

Well, Okay, I don't know. I don't know how Hollywood works or anything, but the husband being present, I don't know that that. If the issue was with you, I would support you one hundred percent. But I don't know if i'd be the right person to be in the meeting. You'd have to have a professional in there, like another lawyer, someone that's kind of hired help. Well, I do as opposed to like he's part of it.

But she had representatives from Sony, she had some other producer representative that she picked. I mean, she had other people there.

But she had representatives from Sony, she had some other producer representative that she picked. I mean, she had other people there.

I mean, it's not wrong that he's there, but it just if he if he was there and said nothing, which I don't know what the answer is. He was there and he said no, that's okay because he's there to sport his wife. But if he's there and he's chiming in on everything. Then then it just becomes like more of an emotional thing and a personal thing as opposed to like a professional issue that's being resolved. Right, so he said.

I mean, it's not wrong that he's there, but it just if he if he was there and said nothing, which I don't know what the answer is. He was there and he said no, that's okay because he's there to sport his wife. But if he's there and he's chiming in on everything. Then then it just becomes like more of an emotional thing and a personal thing as opposed to like a professional issue that's being resolved. Right, so he said.

Something, Well, so this meeting takes place at their penthouse in New York, and apparently, according to Baldoni's suit, who's penthouse and Blake and Ryan their marriage.

Something, Well, so this meeting takes place at their penthouse in New York, and apparently, according to Baldoni's suit, who's penthouse and Blake and Ryan their marriage.

It's on their home turf.

It's on their home turf.

It's on their home turf and their own home. Apparently there were A list stars coming in and out, is what justin Baldonie's lawsuit says. So I'm like, who are these A list stars that are just walking in and out while this meeting is going on? But that's what they claim. But also just to let you know, just to give you a little background, supposedly Ryan Rynolds was very involved in this film and actually rewrote a scene and yeah, was there and involved in it. And so.

It's on their home turf and their own home. Apparently there were A list stars coming in and out, is what justin Baldonie's lawsuit says. So I'm like, who are these A list stars that are just walking in and out while this meeting is going on? But that's what they claim. But also just to let you know, just to give you a little background, supposedly Ryan Rynolds was very involved in this film and actually rewrote a scene and yeah, was there and involved in it. And so.

Would you like me to do that when you're filming, you want me to come in there and start to say no, this needs to be said, you need to do this.

Would you like me to do that when you're filming, you want me to come in there and start to say no, this needs to be said, you need to do this.

I mean sometimes I'd like to just bow out, bring Shane in. That's my replacement. But so this meeting takes place. It was called the all hands in meeting. It's on January fourth. Apparently they're going through, you know, all these grievances that she has, and then Ryan Reynolds goes off on Justin Baldoni and attacks him for this reference he made to Blake's weight that had to do with body shaming, and apparently it was I don't know, it was traumatic for him. He said, he's never been spoken to like that, He's never been yelled at like that before. So I just have this visual of these two A list actors and their fancy pit house just going off on this. Guys are just coming and going. So he claims in his suit that a Sony representatives said that they regret not getting involved and telling him that he was out of line. Here, there's what I would like, and this is what isn't in either of these complaints. And maybe this will come later, but I would like declarations signed under penalty of burgery from these people, because obviously that's hearsay, just saying that Sony representatives said this.

I mean sometimes I'd like to just bow out, bring Shane in. That's my replacement. But so this meeting takes place. It was called the all hands in meeting. It's on January fourth. Apparently they're going through, you know, all these grievances that she has, and then Ryan Reynolds goes off on Justin Baldoni and attacks him for this reference he made to Blake's weight that had to do with body shaming, and apparently it was I don't know, it was traumatic for him. He said, he's never been spoken to like that, He's never been yelled at like that before. So I just have this visual of these two A list actors and their fancy pit house just going off on this. Guys are just coming and going. So he claims in his suit that a Sony representatives said that they regret not getting involved and telling him that he was out of line. Here, there's what I would like, and this is what isn't in either of these complaints. And maybe this will come later, but I would like declarations signed under penalty of burgery from these people, because obviously that's hearsay, just saying that Sony representatives said this.

Yeah, you know, yeah, that's a tough one that now looking back, you know, if the meeting was documented somehow, that is stenography or something.

Yeah, you know, yeah, that's a tough one that now looking back, you know, if the meeting was documented somehow, that is stenography or something.

That is just what at this point, what I feel like is missing is I want declarations from people who were there, who were witnesses saying this is the way.

That is just what at this point, what I feel like is missing is I want declarations from people who were there, who were witnesses saying this is the way.

This goes back to what I said earlier with the intimacy coordinator. You need to have a third person that's unbiased. And so here you have a meeting with all these people that are upset, and there should have been some way to document what was said and what it was exchanged. I don't and I don't know how they do that. I don't know if that's normal to record it or to you know.

This goes back to what I said earlier with the intimacy coordinator. You need to have a third person that's unbiased. And so here you have a meeting with all these people that are upset, and there should have been some way to document what was said and what it was exchanged. I don't and I don't know how they do that. I don't know if that's normal to record it or to you know.

I don't know. But here's probably what's going on right now, because justin Baldoni's going to a he's going to file a response. I mean, I would assume that they're working on all of that. Yeah, and his attorney came out today. There was an article today that I read about Doni's attorney, Brian Freeman, came out today and said they planned to sue Blake personally and that he is more than happy and to share all their text messages.

I don't know. But here's probably what's going on right now, because justin Baldoni's going to a he's going to file a response. I mean, I would assume that they're working on all of that. Yeah, and his attorney came out today. There was an article today that I read about Doni's attorney, Brian Freeman, came out today and said they planned to sue Blake personally and that he is more than happy and to share all their text messages.

Nice.

Nice.

So that's interesting as well. Here's my take on it, and we'll get more into the legal aspect of it. But here's my take away as someone who read the complaint, saw the movie, has read lots of articles read the complaint against The New York Times. My takeaway is is that this is a power struggle between an A list actress who's married to Ryan Reynolds, who really felt that this movie was hers and that she developed the character and that she was Lily Bloom, and she took control of costuming, and she wore a lot of her own clothes, and she wanted to rewrite scenes, and the end of the movie, she ends up editing the movie herself and kicking Justin Baldoni out, according to him. Allegedly, that's according to him. And I think it comes down to a power struggle between Justin Baldoni, who bought the film or bought the rights to the film and wanted to produce the film. But he's not a I didn't know who he was until this.

So that's interesting as well. Here's my take on it, and we'll get more into the legal aspect of it. But here's my take away as someone who read the complaint, saw the movie, has read lots of articles read the complaint against The New York Times. My takeaway is is that this is a power struggle between an A list actress who's married to Ryan Reynolds, who really felt that this movie was hers and that she developed the character and that she was Lily Bloom, and she took control of costuming, and she wore a lot of her own clothes, and she wanted to rewrite scenes, and the end of the movie, she ends up editing the movie herself and kicking Justin Baldoni out, according to him. Allegedly, that's according to him. And I think it comes down to a power struggle between Justin Baldoni, who bought the film or bought the rights to the film and wanted to produce the film. But he's not a I didn't know who he was until this.

Have you ever heard of her creative differences?

Have you ever heard of her creative differences?

Creative differences, But I think those creative differences are based on her being an A list actors getting her way.

Creative differences, But I think those creative differences are based on her being an A list actors getting her way.

Wait, you're saying, Baldoni, this is his first kind of big screen I mean, I know he was. He was in a series. I can't remember what it was, but I would say this is his I'd never heard of him before until now. I mean, she's clearly the bigger starr. But I think going into the movie, he was a director. He's the owner, it's his production studio. But I think there was a power struggle, and I I think that something happened. I know what it is, but I think something happened. I know it happens a lot, and there's a lot of good movies that come out of it. But he had too many hats. He was he had too much responsibility. Yeah, you know, how can he direct himself? So I mean, if he's being inappropriate with the intimacy scenes, and then she goes in complaints to the director, which is him, what's he going to do tell himself, like stop biting her lip? I mean, he can't do that. So there was there was not any There was no neutral people in this to be able to help guide it.

Wait, you're saying, Baldoni, this is his first kind of big screen I mean, I know he was. He was in a series. I can't remember what it was, but I would say this is his I'd never heard of him before until now. I mean, she's clearly the bigger starr. But I think going into the movie, he was a director. He's the owner, it's his production studio. But I think there was a power struggle, and I I think that something happened. I know what it is, but I think something happened. I know it happens a lot, and there's a lot of good movies that come out of it. But he had too many hats. He was he had too much responsibility. Yeah, you know, how can he direct himself? So I mean, if he's being inappropriate with the intimacy scenes, and then she goes in complaints to the director, which is him, what's he going to do tell himself, like stop biting her lip? I mean, he can't do that. So there was there was not any There was no neutral people in this to be able to help guide it.

So you're saying his it was his fault that he owns a production company, But he should have had safe guards in.

So you're saying his it was his fault that he owns a production company, But he should have had safe guards in.

Place for him, because I know lots of actors do that, and that's cool. I think Soles she's Stone, one of my favorites, does that. He wrote, directs and acts because he's like, I know Rocky, right, so I know it can happen. It's not abnormal. But watching this you certainly, especially if you're going to hire Blake Lively, you should certainly have someone like security or someone in the room all the time, right, Like I know at work, when there's a complaint and a male boss is going to have a female person in there that he always brings in another female to sit there to make sure that nothing inappropriates exchanged and if there is, then then that person can report it. And obviously you pick the gender because then you can remove any biases. So you're messed up that way. Yeah, it doesn't mean he's guilty or anything. I'm just saying he messed up that way. But who knew what he was dealing with. Maybe he didn't want it, and maybe maybe he wanted it to just be him and Blake Lively.

Place for him, because I know lots of actors do that, and that's cool. I think Soles she's Stone, one of my favorites, does that. He wrote, directs and acts because he's like, I know Rocky, right, so I know it can happen. It's not abnormal. But watching this you certainly, especially if you're going to hire Blake Lively, you should certainly have someone like security or someone in the room all the time, right, Like I know at work, when there's a complaint and a male boss is going to have a female person in there that he always brings in another female to sit there to make sure that nothing inappropriates exchanged and if there is, then then that person can report it. And obviously you pick the gender because then you can remove any biases. So you're messed up that way. Yeah, it doesn't mean he's guilty or anything. I'm just saying he messed up that way. But who knew what he was dealing with. Maybe he didn't want it, and maybe maybe he wanted it to just be him and Blake Lively.

I don't know, but I'm here's my question. If the first half of the movie was filmed and there weren't really any documented issues, but then they have the strike down and there's downtime for months, but then she reaches out the day of the strike ends her through her legal counsel, reaches out and says, here's these grievances. I'm not coming back to it.

I don't know, but I'm here's my question. If the first half of the movie was filmed and there weren't really any documented issues, but then they have the strike down and there's downtime for months, but then she reaches out the day of the strike ends her through her legal counsel, reaches out and says, here's these grievances. I'm not coming back to it.

It was the day before, right, January fourth. They before, that.

It was the day before, right, January fourth. They before, that.

Was the day they had the meeting of hands and leading, right. So then after this meeting they all agree, they adopt the you know, we're abide by everything you say. They just need to get the movie made. I feel like he had his hands tied, like he has to agree to all her demands because he has millions of dollars invested in this movie, right, and they they lost time. They've invested millions of dollars. They've only got half of this movie made. They have to finish it. I think she knew the power that she had, and she consistently was like, I'm not going to finish unless this. I'm not going to finish unless this according to him, right. I mean, I don't think he has any power in this. She's the lead star. If she constantly threatens I'm not going to finish. I'm not going to finish. I'm not going to come back to work. I'm not going to do this. They don't have time to argue they don't have time to get counseled. They're not going to try. They don't want to piss her off anymore. No, your hands are tied in the situation. You basically just have to be like, whatever you say, whatever, whatever you say, I agree to whatever you say. But here's something that I find interesting, And tell me what you think about this. Once they agreed to those seventeen demands that she had, it was all in writing. She even says in her in her complaint that after that the movie was finished, it was wrapped, there were no more issues.

Was the day they had the meeting of hands and leading, right. So then after this meeting they all agree, they adopt the you know, we're abide by everything you say. They just need to get the movie made. I feel like he had his hands tied, like he has to agree to all her demands because he has millions of dollars invested in this movie, right, and they they lost time. They've invested millions of dollars. They've only got half of this movie made. They have to finish it. I think she knew the power that she had, and she consistently was like, I'm not going to finish unless this. I'm not going to finish unless this according to him, right. I mean, I don't think he has any power in this. She's the lead star. If she constantly threatens I'm not going to finish. I'm not going to finish. I'm not going to come back to work. I'm not going to do this. They don't have time to argue they don't have time to get counseled. They're not going to try. They don't want to piss her off anymore. No, your hands are tied in the situation. You basically just have to be like, whatever you say, whatever, whatever you say, I agree to whatever you say. But here's something that I find interesting, And tell me what you think about this. Once they agreed to those seventeen demands that she had, it was all in writing. She even says in her in her complaint that after that the movie was finished, it was wrapped, there were no more issues.

Oh wait, so she confirmed that the second half of the filming right, things were appropriate, appropriate, It was wrapped, So what's done? So okay, here's where the mess up is Baldoni trying to do his crisis control because it was a preemptive strike or attempt that may never have needed to be in place to begin with. Let's get into that. And I don't will never know because we don't have a time machine. But it had he not done that, it might have been all reasons.

Oh wait, so she confirmed that the second half of the filming right, things were appropriate, appropriate, It was wrapped, So what's done? So okay, here's where the mess up is Baldoni trying to do his crisis control because it was a preemptive strike or attempt that may never have needed to be in place to begin with. Let's get into that. And I don't will never know because we don't have a time machine. But it had he not done that, it might have been all reasons.

Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna agree with that, because my take is these publicists whose private text messages have been made public is what was the catalyst for her suit against him. So he has a crisis PR team that he hires. He also has a publicist named Jennifer Abel. Jennifer Abel and Melissa Nathan are the two main characters in this. They're constantly texting with Baldoni about PR and you know, stories and all these things. Apparently he hired this crisis management firm and they do this thing called astroturfing. I don't really understand what it is. But then there was this outside company hired some guy in Texas. I don't think it's bots, but they do have some way, some logistical way to put good things out and maybe suppress bad things. They also have relationships with you know, your big players like Daily Mail, Cartmry, all those things. The thing that I thought from the very beginning when I read the complaint and there were pages and pages of personal text messages between Justin Baldoni, his publicist, Jennifer Abel, and then the crisis management team, which was Melissa Nathan, I'm thinking to myself, where did Blake Lively get all these text messages? How did her team? How did her legal team get these text messages? You know that you would only be able to get those through discovery. After you filed a complaint and then you go into a.

Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna agree with that, because my take is these publicists whose private text messages have been made public is what was the catalyst for her suit against him. So he has a crisis PR team that he hires. He also has a publicist named Jennifer Abel. Jennifer Abel and Melissa Nathan are the two main characters in this. They're constantly texting with Baldoni about PR and you know, stories and all these things. Apparently he hired this crisis management firm and they do this thing called astroturfing. I don't really understand what it is. But then there was this outside company hired some guy in Texas. I don't think it's bots, but they do have some way, some logistical way to put good things out and maybe suppress bad things. They also have relationships with you know, your big players like Daily Mail, Cartmry, all those things. The thing that I thought from the very beginning when I read the complaint and there were pages and pages of personal text messages between Justin Baldoni, his publicist, Jennifer Abel, and then the crisis management team, which was Melissa Nathan, I'm thinking to myself, where did Blake Lively get all these text messages? How did her team? How did her legal team get these text messages? You know that you would only be able to get those through discovery. After you filed a complaint and then you go into a.

Discovery the surfaced you done so in a way.

Discovery the surfaced you done so in a way.

I'll tell you how. I think it was surface in Baldoni's lawsuit touches on it a little bit. There was another There's a lot of key players, a lot of publicists involved in this, but there was a woman named Stephanie Works who was a publicist for Baldoni. Apparently they had a falling out. She also worked with his other publicists, Jennifer Abel and then something happened where Jennifer and Stephanie split ways. Stephanie confiscated her work phone and then did a forensic analysis on it, and that's where all these text messages came from. I think, what she this is me, I'm I'm this is me. Just my opinion. I think this woman Stephanie saw all these text messages that had to do with Blake Lively and all these you know, ways to figure out how to suppress certain stories or whatever's going on, and she gave those two Blake's team, probably in return for something. I don't know. Blakelee Lively is a huge A list actress. I'm sure it was like, hey, I have this. I think that's what's called. It's like a friendly subpoena. Oh, there's so many.

I'll tell you how. I think it was surface in Baldoni's lawsuit touches on it a little bit. There was another There's a lot of key players, a lot of publicists involved in this, but there was a woman named Stephanie Works who was a publicist for Baldoni. Apparently they had a falling out. She also worked with his other publicists, Jennifer Abel and then something happened where Jennifer and Stephanie split ways. Stephanie confiscated her work phone and then did a forensic analysis on it, and that's where all these text messages came from. I think, what she this is me, I'm I'm this is me. Just my opinion. I think this woman Stephanie saw all these text messages that had to do with Blake Lively and all these you know, ways to figure out how to suppress certain stories or whatever's going on, and she gave those two Blake's team, probably in return for something. I don't know. Blakelee Lively is a huge A list actress. I'm sure it was like, hey, I have this. I think that's what's called. It's like a friendly subpoena. Oh, there's so many.

I can't give examples.

I can't give examples.

They would say, well, they would send articles back and forth like did you see this? Did you see the response to this? We need to do this, let's talk to this, let's do this. Honestly, here's the crux of his libel suit with the New York Times. If you look at Blake Lively's complaint, she puts in text messages that say things like he wants us to bury her, you know, things like that that don't look so great for him, that it looks like he's intentionally trying to make her look bad. In the press, they publish text messages, but they don't publish the entire conversation. If you look at his suit against the New York Times, he publishes the entire text chain.

They would say, well, they would send articles back and forth like did you see this? Did you see the response to this? We need to do this, let's talk to this, let's do this. Honestly, here's the crux of his libel suit with the New York Times. If you look at Blake Lively's complaint, she puts in text messages that say things like he wants us to bury her, you know, things like that that don't look so great for him, that it looks like he's intentionally trying to make her look bad. In the press, they publish text messages, but they don't publish the entire conversation. If you look at his suit against the New York Times, he publishes the entire text chain.

Yeah, which is how it should be, because I know in quart a lot of times, when you print out the texts a judgement very well say I want to see the phone. I want to see the whole string of texts, right, I don't want to see selective you know print right.

Yeah, which is how it should be, because I know in quart a lot of times, when you print out the texts a judgement very well say I want to see the phone. I want to see the whole string of texts, right, I don't want to see selective you know print right.

Let me just give you an example there's a lot of examples. Let me just give you an example. There's a text exchange about an article that says could Blake Lively be canceled? They left out in Blake's complaint where one of where Justin's publicist says, damn, this is unfair because this is also not me. Everything now looks like it's me insinuating that that wasn't her, that she wasn't responsible for that article about Lively being canceled, but they left that out in Blake's complaint.

Let me just give you an example there's a lot of examples. Let me just give you an example. There's a text exchange about an article that says could Blake Lively be canceled? They left out in Blake's complaint where one of where Justin's publicist says, damn, this is unfair because this is also not me. Everything now looks like it's me insinuating that that wasn't her, that she wasn't responsible for that article about Lively being canceled, but they left that out in Blake's complaint.

Well, we know what this is all going to come down to. What no one's gonna work with Clively anymore? Well, I don't think who would work with Baldoni. It doesn't matter innocent or guilty or whatever. Who's going to work with these people that are obviously litigious.

Well, we know what this is all going to come down to. What no one's gonna work with Clively anymore? Well, I don't think who would work with Baldoni. It doesn't matter innocent or guilty or whatever. Who's going to work with these people that are obviously litigious.

No, I don't. I don't disagree. This isn't good for anyone, and it's also not good for these publicists. I mean, it makes everyone look bad. It looks like a smear campaign. This movie there is and that's another question, like how are you going to make this movie? You can't, You can't. He owns the rights to the I believe he owns the rights to the.

No, I don't. I don't disagree. This isn't good for anyone, and it's also not good for these publicists. I mean, it makes everyone look bad. It looks like a smear campaign. This movie there is and that's another question, like how are you going to make this movie? You can't, You can't. He owns the rights to the I believe he owns the rights to the.

You can't you can't do a sequel because the chemistry is not there people watching it as long as assuming all this surfaces, it'd be hard to watch a movie knowing they hate each other when they're supposed to be acting like they're in love or whatever the story is. That's a tough one, and that sucks for Colleen Hooper who had an opportunity to have a big movie on the silver screen and then now so everyone's fighting in the kitchen. Yeah, that sucks.

You can't you can't do a sequel because the chemistry is not there people watching it as long as assuming all this surfaces, it'd be hard to watch a movie knowing they hate each other when they're supposed to be acting like they're in love or whatever the story is. That's a tough one, and that sucks for Colleen Hooper who had an opportunity to have a big movie on the silver screen and then now so everyone's fighting in the kitchen. Yeah, that sucks.

Yeah, you know, the only way this movie could be made is if he sells it to another production company.

Yeah, you know, the only way this movie could be made is if he sells it to another production company.

But then he's in the movie. You said, yeah, he's in a movie.

But then he's in the movie. You said, yeah, he's in a movie.

Yeah, Well, they can't be in a movie together. So there's never going to be a sequel unless it's completely different actors and he sells it to another production company, and then I don't know if people are invested in it, because now you have different people and.

Yeah, Well, they can't be in a movie together. So there's never going to be a sequel unless it's completely different actors and he sells it to another production company, and then I don't know if people are invested in it, because now you have different people and.

It might be very well delayed, you know, actually far out Blake wanting to produce it herself and star in it and then finding someone to take him, right, Reynolds, Yeah, that's what Yeah, okay, wow, Well what I learned is I need to now make sure. I have a third person in my production company. So when I do a film with Sophia Bergara, Carmen Electra, I need to have someone on set, right, Yeah, and you are not allowed in the room if there's any complaints. Okay, that was bad on Ryan Reynolds Port.

It might be very well delayed, you know, actually far out Blake wanting to produce it herself and star in it and then finding someone to take him, right, Reynolds, Yeah, that's what Yeah, okay, wow, Well what I learned is I need to now make sure. I have a third person in my production company. So when I do a film with Sophia Bergara, Carmen Electra, I need to have someone on set, right, Yeah, and you are not allowed in the room if there's any complaints. Okay, that was bad on Ryan Reynolds Port.

All right, let's talk a little bit about the backlash that Justin Baldoni has faced amid all these Blake lively claims. First of all, a lot of A list actors, actresses came out in support of Blake.