Heather Sanders joins Joy Taylor for an honest conversation about growing up online, navigating a long-term relationship in public, postpartum depression, motherhood, business, and learning to choose yourself. Together they explore why people feel entitled to judge relationships, what partnership really means, and why personal growth often requires giving yourself grace.

00:00 – Welcome Heather Sanders to the show

00:38 – "That person is dead": growing up publicly

04:13 – The public relationship "clock" theory

08:02 – Engaged twice, still not married and here's why

11:40 – Building a partnership vs. needing a piece of paper

17:04 – "Keep that pussy inside": the streets aren't for everybody

20:03 – What she's learned about herself as a woman at 36

25:15 – Postpartum shame and the pressure on women

31:39 – Her therapy journey and finding the right fit

38:15 – Entrepreneur advice: consistency over everything

39:42 – Getting audited: "I don't even know where the money went"

43:44 – Why she stepped back from being an influencer

45:16 – Getting backlash for sharing the hard stuff

46:17 – The first time she cried on the internet

52:47 – Grieving old versions of herself

57:56 – "You have to choose that person every day"

1:00:59 – The stat about men leaving terminally ill partners

1:02:19 – Her favorite part of being married

1:05:20 – Throwback pictures and purple contacts

1:08:00 – Tattoo confessions: King Trelll, Terrell's face tattoo

1:06:36 – The contact lens story that scared everyone

Heather Sanders joins Joy Taylor for an honest conversation about growing up online, navigating a long-term relationship in public, postpartum depression, motherhood, business, and learning to choose yourself. Together they explore why people feel entitled to judge relationships, what partnership really means, and why personal growth often requires giving yourself grace.
00:00 &ndash; Welcome Heather Sanders to the show
00:38 &ndash; "That person is dead": growing up publicly
04:13 &ndash; The public relationship "clock" theory
08:02 &ndash; Engaged twice, still not married and here's why
11:40 &ndash; Building a partnership vs. needing a piece of paper
17:04 &ndash; "Keep that pussy inside": the streets aren't for everybody
20:03 &ndash; What she's learned about herself as a woman at 36
25:15 &ndash; Postpartum shame and the pressure on women
31:39 &ndash; Her therapy journey and finding the right fit
38:15 &ndash; Entrepreneur advice: consistency over everything
39:42 &ndash; Getting audited: "I don't even know where the money went"
43:44 &ndash; Why she stepped back from being an influencer
45:16 &ndash; Getting backlash for sharing the hard stuff
46:17 &ndash; The first time she cried on the internet
52:47 &ndash; Grieving old versions of herself
57:56 &ndash; "You have to choose that person every day"
1:00:59 &ndash; The stat about men leaving terminally ill partners
1:02:19 &ndash; Her favorite part of being married
1:05:20 &ndash; Throwback pictures and purple contacts
1:08:00 &ndash; Tattoo confessions: King Trelll, Terrell's face tattoo
1:06:36 &ndash; The contact lens story that scared everyone

Finally, a podcast that gets brutally honest about the toughest conversations we need to have. The groundbreaking new show Two Personal facilitates thoughtful dialogue on hot-button topics. TV Personality Joy Taylor tackles these conversations head-on, getting candid in a way typically reserved for your inner circle. With equal parts humor and wisdom, Joy chats about culture and social issues. Unafraid to explore complex topics like racism, sexism, and mental health, she advances these conversations with nuance and compassion.

Two Personal with Joy Taylor

Heather Sanders on Marriage, Motherhood & Choosing Yourself

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