All right, you guys, so here she is the one, the only Laura Geller. Hello, my love, hell Jin, thank you King. I hope you guys are watching some video clips of this and not just audio, so that you could see this beautiful woman's face. I have to tell you so, Laura and I met at a party that Margaret Joseph's threw. And I always say this, like at a certain age, I don't make new friends easily for whatever reason. I mean, I've been doing this crazy I've been on this crazy housewives ride, and I've met amazing people and made new friends. But it's not, you know, I'm not like. There is something about Laura Yeller. There is a warmth and a sweetness and a beauty. And I have to say after we met, all of a sudden, I got it was Christmas in my house. In what month we meet? May Matt, you sent me the most wonderful products. And we'll get to this in a moment. But I just got more of my favorite products than I am beside myself. Okay, but I do want to talk about that. These are certain things I just have to mention to you, because how about I let you talk? Hi, my love, Hi, Darling.

All right, you guys, so here she is the one, the only Laura Geller. Hello, my love, hell Jin, thank you King. I hope you guys are watching some video clips of this and not just audio, so that you could see this beautiful woman's face. I have to tell you so, Laura and I met at a party that Margaret Joseph's threw. And I always say this, like at a certain age, I don't make new friends easily for whatever reason. I mean, I've been doing this crazy I've been on this crazy housewives ride, and I've met amazing people and made new friends. But it's not, you know, I'm not like. There is something about Laura Yeller. There is a warmth and a sweetness and a beauty. And I have to say after we met, all of a sudden, I got it was Christmas in my house. In what month we meet? May Matt, you sent me the most wonderful products. And we'll get to this in a moment. But I just got more of my favorite products than I am beside myself. Okay, but I do want to talk about that. These are certain things I just have to mention to you, because how about I let you talk? Hi, my love, Hi, Darling.

No, I have to say when I met you in May you know, listen, I'm a housewife fan. I'm gonna just own it. I live for your franchise Beverly Hills and New York believe it or not, not so much this season. But when I met you, I was shocked that you fanned out over me. Oh I no, Like, I was like, wait, they're fanning out over me.

No, I have to say when I met you in May you know, listen, I'm a housewife fan. I'm gonna just own it. I live for your franchise Beverly Hills and New York believe it or not, not so much this season. But when I met you, I was shocked that you fanned out over me. Oh I no, Like, I was like, wait, they're fanning out over me.

Like you guys, don't. I wish you, guys, I wish I could explain what it's like when someone who's like an icon and the fact I mean the fact that you watch I mean I watched too. I've been watching since the get go, right, since the beginning of all of this. But like you guys have to understand that, like that the name lor gell er me is iconic. It was just like I just went to jingle Ball whatever and I sat down in this very lovely woman. Hi, my name is Jen Fessor. How my name is Nicole Miller, and I'm like, I'm sorry, not Nicole Miller, so, I Nicole Miller so and Lord Geller besides the fact that I've been using your products for god knows how many years. But and then whatever you guys. It's very The whole thing is very bizarre. And one of the things I love most about this whole ride that I've been on is that now I'm just saying, Lord Geller's my friend. Don't be jealous, is what it is.

Like you guys, don't. I wish you, guys, I wish I could explain what it's like when someone who's like an icon and the fact I mean the fact that you watch I mean I watched too. I've been watching since the get go, right, since the beginning of all of this. But like you guys have to understand that, like that the name lor gell er me is iconic. It was just like I just went to jingle Ball whatever and I sat down in this very lovely woman. Hi, my name is Jen Fessor. How my name is Nicole Miller, and I'm like, I'm sorry, not Nicole Miller, so, I Nicole Miller so and Lord Geller besides the fact that I've been using your products for god knows how many years. But and then whatever you guys. It's very The whole thing is very bizarre. And one of the things I love most about this whole ride that I've been on is that now I'm just saying, Lord Geller's my friend. Don't be jealous, is what it is.

I know what we said.

I know what we said.

Where are you right now? Is that your beautiful that's my apartment. I'm as gorgeous flower.

Where are you right now? Is that your beautiful that's my apartment. I'm as gorgeous flower.

You'll probably hear all kinds of horns and honkings soon because I live near the fifty ninth Street bridge, so you know, I have my terrace store open. It's one of the most glorious days today.

You'll probably hear all kinds of horns and honkings soon because I live near the fifty ninth Street bridge, so you know, I have my terrace store open. It's one of the most glorious days today.

You have a terrace.

You have a terrace.

I have a balcony overlooking on the first floor. But it's also noisy.

I have a balcony overlooking on the first floor. But it's also noisy.

How long have you lived there?

How long have you lived there?

I've been in this apartment for twelve years, and I I mean, I've always been on the East Side, so like before that, I was just ten blocks from here. But this is really my refuge. I mean, I don't want to leave this apartment. To me, it's like I get in here and I'm like, I'm safe. It's like my refuge, Like I don't want to go back out in that city craziness, and it's crazy.

I've been in this apartment for twelve years, and I I mean, I've always been on the East Side, so like before that, I was just ten blocks from here. But this is really my refuge. I mean, I don't want to leave this apartment. To me, it's like I get in here and I'm like, I'm safe. It's like my refuge, Like I don't want to go back out in that city craziness, and it's crazy.

Now, Yeah, it is specifically now more than it used to be. Do you feel like it's also I feel the same way. I just I want to be home.

Now, Yeah, it is specifically now more than it used to be. Do you feel like it's also I feel the same way. I just I want to be home.

You like me.

You like me.

I want to always be home. But it's funny because now that I do, since the Housewives, I'm out and about way more right, And it's so once I get there, I love it. Not always, but most of the time I love I love being out and about meeting people and doing whatever it is right. But I'm a homebody at heart me too, and I'm a slug at heart. Really. With you, it's like putting on the makeup and you're glamorous and you're looking one wants to meet you.

I want to always be home. But it's funny because now that I do, since the Housewives, I'm out and about way more right, And it's so once I get there, I love it. Not always, but most of the time I love I love being out and about meeting people and doing whatever it is right. But I'm a homebody at heart me too, and I'm a slug at heart. Really. With you, it's like putting on the makeup and you're glamorous and you're looking one wants to meet you.

Tell you, Jen, thank God, I know how to do it, Like, thank God. That's one of my skill sets as being Really that's what I did most of my career was makeup. And every time I have to transform myself, I go, thank God I know how to do it, because I would be bringing in glam honestly, because it's like you go out and you're meeting five million people. I just came up in my lobby and a woman stopped me in my building and she said, I just want to tell you I love your makeup, and I've turned so many people and that doesn't happen that often, trust me. She was like, I've turned so many people onto your makeup, and I thought, thank god I had a full face, because I don't do this all the time. I like to run out and not have a thing on sometimes just a little bit.

Tell you, Jen, thank God, I know how to do it, Like, thank God. That's one of my skill sets as being Really that's what I did most of my career was makeup. And every time I have to transform myself, I go, thank God I know how to do it, because I would be bringing in glam honestly, because it's like you go out and you're meeting five million people. I just came up in my lobby and a woman stopped me in my building and she said, I just want to tell you I love your makeup, and I've turned so many people and that doesn't happen that often, trust me. She was like, I've turned so many people onto your makeup, and I thought, thank god I had a full face, because I don't do this all the time. I like to run out and not have a thing on sometimes just a little bit.

I definitely get glam done now a lot. I've tried, especially during COVID, I tried to teach myself how to do makeup. And I'm not although one of the very adorable young women at the party at the holiday party that, by the way, I was just at Laura Geller's holiday parties. Don't be jealous and try not to show off too much. And there was this beautiful young girl there who's who actually complimented my makeup, And I'm like, you're complimenting my makeup at a Laura Yeller party. Doesn't get better than that. But having said that, it's not easy for me. You didn't your wrong practice a lot. I did it. I did you. I didn't actually think it was great. Looked a pictures was okay.

I definitely get glam done now a lot. I've tried, especially during COVID, I tried to teach myself how to do makeup. And I'm not although one of the very adorable young women at the party at the holiday party that, by the way, I was just at Laura Geller's holiday parties. Don't be jealous and try not to show off too much. And there was this beautiful young girl there who's who actually complimented my makeup, And I'm like, you're complimenting my makeup at a Laura Yeller party. Doesn't get better than that. But having said that, it's not easy for me. You didn't your wrong practice a lot. I did it. I did you. I didn't actually think it was great. Looked a pictures was okay.

You know that you don't wear very much is what I noticed with you. But you know how yourself but you don't overdo it, which thank you don't.

You know that you don't wear very much is what I noticed with you. But you know how yourself but you don't overdo it, which thank you don't.

Overdo it, especially when you're older.

Overdo it, especially when you're older.

Right, Yeah, it does aid you, It really does.

Right, Yeah, it does aid you, It really does.

I sometimes put on makeup, just go about in a day and we can. I need your tips on this, but like even just the foundation, and I know I'm trying to avoid too much because then the powder sinks into the wrinkles and the it looks too But I do make I definitely do make that mistake. But I mean, I Paul Laman now when I have to go places and it is a fortune.

I sometimes put on makeup, just go about in a day and we can. I need your tips on this, but like even just the foundation, and I know I'm trying to avoid too much because then the powder sinks into the wrinkles and the it looks too But I do make I definitely do make that mistake. But I mean, I Paul Laman now when I have to go places and it is a fortune.

Wait a minute, you don't have the same people I do.

Wait a minute, you don't have the same people I do.

It didn't want to make up artist? Who absolute she's still a fortune. She suppos to pay her mortgage, so I have to.

It didn't want to make up artist? Who absolute she's still a fortune. She suppos to pay her mortgage, so I have to.

Pay she do hair or you do your own?

Pay she do hair or you do your own?

No, no, I go no, no, no. I have people that do that as well. And that's you know what adds up? It doesn't whatever. I'm not, It's okay. My next life, I'm gonna be Laura Geller.

No, no, I go no, no, no. I have people that do that as well. And that's you know what adds up? It doesn't whatever. I'm not, It's okay. My next life, I'm gonna be Laura Geller.

Do you know what. No, when you're a TV star, you gotta pull out of stops. That's that's it. And they are they have expectations of the housewives.

Do you know what. No, when you're a TV star, you gotta pull out of stops. That's that's it. And they are they have expectations of the housewives.

I know.

I know.

I will tell you that my hairdresser told me he was leaving our event, my event with one of the other housewives. He was walking out with her. This is terrible. If this stuff happens to you, guys, I don't know how you do the housewives. He walks out with her, and a couple is walking down the street in New York stops and says, oh my god, it's hello, and the wife says, I love you, but my husband hates you. No, that's never happened to me, and there would be no reason that anybody you'd hate this house wife and my hairdresser. My friend Neil said he felt so bad. I don't. He didn't tell me how they handled it or anything, but he said the wife laughed it off, like my husband doesn't like you. And I thought I couldn't do. Like when I get comments on Facebook, sometimes there's a kind of you know whatever. The comment may be small, it's rare, though it kills me. I don't know how you could be open to like.

I will tell you that my hairdresser told me he was leaving our event, my event with one of the other housewives. He was walking out with her. This is terrible. If this stuff happens to you, guys, I don't know how you do the housewives. He walks out with her, and a couple is walking down the street in New York stops and says, oh my god, it's hello, and the wife says, I love you, but my husband hates you. No, that's never happened to me, and there would be no reason that anybody you'd hate this house wife and my hairdresser. My friend Neil said he felt so bad. I don't. He didn't tell me how they handled it or anything, but he said the wife laughed it off, like my husband doesn't like you. And I thought I couldn't do. Like when I get comments on Facebook, sometimes there's a kind of you know whatever. The comment may be small, it's rare, though it kills me. I don't know how you could be open to like.

I never have had someone be nasty in person, and I think I've actually spoken to one point. I think I spoke to Melissa Gorka about it, because she's obviously way more famous than me and people have been this. She's doing this for years, and she said it is very very rare that someone will say even if they say it, even if they feel it, even if they think it, they love you. Yeah, they won't say that often. What kind of a loser would say that to someone in person?

I never have had someone be nasty in person, and I think I've actually spoken to one point. I think I spoke to Melissa Gorka about it, because she's obviously way more famous than me and people have been this. She's doing this for years, and she said it is very very rare that someone will say even if they say it, even if they feel it, even if they think it, they love you. Yeah, they won't say that often. What kind of a loser would say that to someone in person?

Can you imagine?

Can you imagine?

I thought, I can't.

I thought, I can't.

And they then they laughed about it, like like, maybe say something else, maybe say.

And they then they laughed about it, like like, maybe say something else, maybe say.

Anything else, anything else?

Anything else, anything else?

Yes, cringe, people suck, Yes, people.

Yes, cringe, people suck, Yes, people.

Can seeople suck. I hate to say it. Okay. I first somebody said to me, I have to do a couple of things. I have to say that you should tell the people who are the next Golden Bachelorette.

Can seeople suck. I hate to say it. Okay. I first somebody said to me, I have to do a couple of things. I have to say that you should tell the people who are the next Golden Bachelorette.

So I did a actually on my Instagram page, which is Laura J. Geller. Actually it would live on the Laura Geller beauty page too. Let me think about this. We did a prank. You didn't hear about it? You did? So? Yeah, and the other there's another prank coming out saying that I was asked to be a housewife of New York. Wait, that's the prank I got to pull it up? Or was it the Golden Bachelorette?

So I did a actually on my Instagram page, which is Laura J. Geller. Actually it would live on the Laura Geller beauty page too. Let me think about this. We did a prank. You didn't hear about it? You did? So? Yeah, and the other there's another prank coming out saying that I was asked to be a housewife of New York. Wait, that's the prank I got to pull it up? Or was it the Golden Bachelorette?

And see, I think both of these ideas are perfect ideas. I don't even wait. First of all, I don't even know why they're prank.

And see, I think both of these ideas are perfect ideas. I don't even wait. First of all, I don't even know why they're prank.

First of all, I just want to be a bartender on Andy's clubhouse. That's what I want.

First of all, I just want to be a bartender on Andy's clubhouse. That's what I want.

You haven't been a bartender, No, I want to be a bar what happens live.

You haven't been a bartender, No, I want to be a bar what happens live.

I would live for that. I can't even tell you how much.

I would live for that. I can't even tell you how much.

Okay, I don't know who's I don't know who does what for you. But these are things that should becoming very easy. I mean, Andy Cohen would love to have you as a bartender. And I have never spoken to him about it, and I can guarantee that.

Okay, I don't know who's I don't know who does what for you. But these are things that should becoming very easy. I mean, Andy Cohen would love to have you as a bartender. And I have never spoken to him about it, and I can guarantee that.

I don't know if anybody my team knows. I don't know if they asked or anything, but yeah, so we did. I like to do pranks, Jen, So part of my my whole life. I prank people. And I have in my apartment like pranks everywhere, like people got the bathroom and I have tissues that don't the toilet paper that doesn't come off. I have fake salad, like you know, I serve salad and then I put salad but four doesn't go in. I have everything the long forkd ice cubes with the fly in it. So no, I love to prank people, and I love to prank my friends, and like We'll be going away on vacation and I'll call them then before I'll text everybody and I'll go I'm sick. I can't make it. And you know, just and now some of them are onto me. They know that I'm fooling them. But so this prank, let's see what this one is. Who are you, honey? I am home and I'm freaking freaking out. My team just contacted me and apparently I have been asked to be on the next season of the Housewives of New York.

I don't know if anybody my team knows. I don't know if they asked or anything, but yeah, so we did. I like to do pranks, Jen, So part of my my whole life. I prank people. And I have in my apartment like pranks everywhere, like people got the bathroom and I have tissues that don't the toilet paper that doesn't come off. I have fake salad, like you know, I serve salad and then I put salad but four doesn't go in. I have everything the long forkd ice cubes with the fly in it. So no, I love to prank people, and I love to prank my friends, and like We'll be going away on vacation and I'll call them then before I'll text everybody and I'll go I'm sick. I can't make it. And you know, just and now some of them are onto me. They know that I'm fooling them. But so this prank, let's see what this one is. Who are you, honey? I am home and I'm freaking freaking out. My team just contacted me and apparently I have been asked to be on the next season of the Housewives of New York.

So what would you do?

So what would you do?

So I think there might be the boy's reason is that you're talking to the Lauris Katania. Yeah, you know, they didn't. They wouldn't tell me the rest of the kids. They just they didn't talk to me. They talked to my team and they said, we know that she loves the Housewives of New York, so I should do it, all right? Can I just can I interrupt you? It's a joke. I was just pranking here. This is me, that's my life.

So I think there might be the boy's reason is that you're talking to the Lauris Katania. Yeah, you know, they didn't. They wouldn't tell me the rest of the kids. They just they didn't talk to me. They talked to my team and they said, we know that she loves the Housewives of New York, so I should do it, all right? Can I just can I interrupt you? It's a joke. I was just pranking here. This is me, that's my life.

This is why pranks it. But this is why you get away with your pranks. Because it's so reasonable. Right, you see, you're sick before a trip shit happens, asked me, so, I said, you're golden Bacherette. These are not far fetched ideas. These are ideas that make actually complete sense. Would you ever do it?

This is why pranks it. But this is why you get away with your pranks. Because it's so reasonable. Right, you see, you're sick before a trip shit happens, asked me, so, I said, you're golden Bacherette. These are not far fetched ideas. These are ideas that make actually complete sense. Would you ever do it?

You know what? I probably would? Part of me. There's two things I always wanted to be a comedian, like that stand up. I want to do stand up.

You know what? I probably would? Part of me. There's two things I always wanted to be a comedian, like that stand up. I want to do stand up.

I can see that, Yeah.

I can see that, Yeah.

I definitely. And actually somebody scared me recently that I told They said I could make that happen, and then I got scared and I was like, now, so I think I say I want to do things, but then I think I chicken out.

I definitely. And actually somebody scared me recently that I told They said I could make that happen, and then I got scared and I was like, now, so I think I say I want to do things, but then I think I chicken out.

And I mean everybody who doesn't get scared, you think I wasn't scared when they said, okay, do.

And I mean everybody who doesn't get scared, you think I wasn't scared when they said, okay, do.

You mind me asking? How you got asked?

You mind me asking? How you got asked?

I don't mind at all. But we are we are not This is I can slip very easily into not shutting my own mouth about me. I got asked through Margaret. Margaret recommended me to a casting director. Yeah I didn't, she didn't even tell me. So we became friends years ago, A few years ago, six years ago or something, and all of a sudden, a casting director called me and said, Margaret Joseph's thinks he would be great on the Housewives of New Jersey. And I'm like, you know, people are always like, oh my god. I was asked. I was asked, you're not at You get contacted because the casting directors are really good at their jobs, and they go through Facebook and they see friends of friends and who lives in Northern Jersey and who looks like they might work, and so you get the phone calls, but you don't get actual interviews necessarily or all of a sudden. I was like, are you kidding me? No, maybe I didn't. You know, I've said no when I've gotten the phone calls. But it's just out of fears. Scary the very idea.

I don't mind at all. But we are we are not This is I can slip very easily into not shutting my own mouth about me. I got asked through Margaret. Margaret recommended me to a casting director. Yeah I didn't, she didn't even tell me. So we became friends years ago, A few years ago, six years ago or something, and all of a sudden, a casting director called me and said, Margaret Joseph's thinks he would be great on the Housewives of New Jersey. And I'm like, you know, people are always like, oh my god. I was asked. I was asked, you're not at You get contacted because the casting directors are really good at their jobs, and they go through Facebook and they see friends of friends and who lives in Northern Jersey and who looks like they might work, and so you get the phone calls, but you don't get actual interviews necessarily or all of a sudden. I was like, are you kidding me? No, maybe I didn't. You know, I've said no when I've gotten the phone calls. But it's just out of fears. Scary the very idea.

But it isn't so commitments commitment.

But it isn't so commitments commitment.

Yes, it's a commitment. It's a scary commitment. I mean, if you watch the show like I do, if you've been watching every single episode since the beginning of time, it's scary. You know what you're getting into. It's fun, it's exciting. But I'm not Laura Geller, right. So I was anonymous, and I was fifty three years old, and I don't know what it's like. And I always think that. I think I always wanted to feel what it feels like to be Laura Geller or somebody who is well known and you know what I mean, who does stuff. So, yeah, it was an adventure back to you.

Yes, it's a commitment. It's a scary commitment. I mean, if you watch the show like I do, if you've been watching every single episode since the beginning of time, it's scary. You know what you're getting into. It's fun, it's exciting. But I'm not Laura Geller, right. So I was anonymous, and I was fifty three years old, and I don't know what it's like. And I always think that. I think I always wanted to feel what it feels like to be Laura Geller or somebody who is well known and you know what I mean, who does stuff. So, yeah, it was an adventure back to you.

I would like it so that I can get reservations.

I would like it so that I can get reservations.

You're not tell me that you can't get reservations.

You're not tell me that you can't get reservations.

Oh no, I can't. I can't get into the Polo Bar. I've been trying to get in there. I can't get into. No, there's a couple of places I've been trying to get into. I mean, if I call maybe my publicist, maybe she can get me in. But not because i'ma but because she's well known.

Oh no, I can't. I can't get into the Polo Bar. I've been trying to get in there. I can't get into. No, there's a couple of places I've been trying to get into. I mean, if I call maybe my publicist, maybe she can get me in. But not because i'ma but because she's well known.

But no, yes, because you're Laura Geller. And well, first of all, I think they like it when you have the publicist call more than if you call. Yeah, they like you're just that's I mean, you can't get we're going now, we're going to the Polar Bar.

But no, yes, because you're Laura Geller. And well, first of all, I think they like it when you have the publicist call more than if you call. Yeah, they like you're just that's I mean, you can't get we're going now, we're going to the Polar Bar.

I want to go to the Polar Bar.

I want to go to the Polar Bar.

I can't believe that you have not been I mean not that I whatever I have been.

I can't believe that you have not been I mean not that I whatever I have been.

I did fight for a reservation when my son graduated from college. That was his after we had his ceremony. We went there, but I mean on a regular basis, I wouldn't mind going there. It's not far.

I did fight for a reservation when my son graduated from college. That was his after we had his ceremony. We went there, but I mean on a regular basis, I wouldn't mind going there. It's not far.

You're going. Huh, that's it, you and me. You're going.

You're going. Huh, that's it, you and me. You're going.

Oh, you can get us in.

Oh, you can get us in.

I've been a couple of times I can't get up. We'll certainly out on my name. I'll get us in saying that I'm going with Laura Geller.

I've been a couple of times I can't get up. We'll certainly out on my name. I'll get us in saying that I'm going with Laura Geller.

Oh, Jen, you've been a knock at all.

Oh, Jen, you've been a knock at all.

All right, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Don't challenge right, Okay, yeah, right, So you guys, I know that you guys already know who Laura is. I want to talk about makeup. I want to talk about my favorite things that I've received and the favorite my favorite things that I use that are Laura and Geller's. But first, first to first, So when we were at your party, and by the way, it was the most wonderful party, thank I because the people that you surround yourself with, I feel like are like you. Everybody was so warm and welcoming. I agree, right, it was a and I have to be honest, also beautiful. I didn't. I mean everyone there was gorgeous. It was like all different ages, all different shapes, form, sizes, races, ethnicity, everybody, but everyone the common thread was gorgeous.

All right, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Don't challenge right, Okay, yeah, right, So you guys, I know that you guys already know who Laura is. I want to talk about makeup. I want to talk about my favorite things that I've received and the favorite my favorite things that I use that are Laura and Geller's. But first, first to first, So when we were at your party, and by the way, it was the most wonderful party, thank I because the people that you surround yourself with, I feel like are like you. Everybody was so warm and welcoming. I agree, right, it was a and I have to be honest, also beautiful. I didn't. I mean everyone there was gorgeous. It was like all different ages, all different shapes, form, sizes, races, ethnicity, everybody, but everyone the common thread was gorgeous.

The hard party was I knew mostly everybody in that room, and I couldn't talk to people.

The hard party was I knew mostly everybody in that room, and I couldn't talk to people.

I was like it, that was it, that's always hard.

I was like it, that was it, that's always hard.

So I felt guilty. It was it was over fifty people. It was like close to sixty people. It was crazy.

So I felt guilty. It was it was over fifty people. It was like close to sixty people. It was crazy.

There's no guilt everyone. I never saw that much food in my life. I've never eaten that much delicious food. And it kept rest.

There's no guilt everyone. I never saw that much food in my life. I've never eaten that much delicious food. And it kept rest.

East sixtieth and it's a Mediterranean restaurant, but there was like an Italian flair to it.

East sixtieth and it's a Mediterranean restaurant, but there was like an Italian flair to it.

Yes, I was about to say that because I'm getting very tired of every time I go out to dinner it's a Greek food. And I was so excited. This was like a mix and that there was Italian.

Yes, I was about to say that because I'm getting very tired of every time I go out to dinner it's a Greek food. And I was so excited. This was like a mix and that there was Italian.

It was so delicious, delicious because our even really the holidays was everything was child gorgeous, like our products are made in Italy. So yeah, therefore, I e why we put in a My friend is the executive chef of car Mines.

It was so delicious, delicious because our even really the holidays was everything was child gorgeous, like our products are made in Italy. So yeah, therefore, I e why we put in a My friend is the executive chef of car Mines.

So really that's why we got to do the sauce.

So really that's why we got to do the sauce.

So I grew up with him and Glenn Rolnick and he put sauce in everybody. He just gifted us sauce.

So I grew up with him and Glenn Rolnick and he put sauce in everybody. He just gifted us sauce.

So that I have to tell you something. Carmines for me, I've been going there for so many years I don't care what, so it's always it is a tourist is a very big touristy spot now, and so when I suggest it, I sometimes have stupid snobby friends who are like, oh mind, you cannot get better. I think it is the most delicious Italian. This is so much fun. I love it there. If you're going to a show, it's right there, or it's still in the Upper West.

So that I have to tell you something. Carmines for me, I've been going there for so many years I don't care what, so it's always it is a tourist is a very big touristy spot now, and so when I suggest it, I sometimes have stupid snobby friends who are like, oh mind, you cannot get better. I think it is the most delicious Italian. This is so much fun. I love it there. If you're going to a show, it's right there, or it's still in the Upper West.

Right, Yes, they still have one in the nineties.

Right, Yes, they still have one in the nineties.

Absolutely, absolutely delicious. I love car Mines because it's so good.

Absolutely, absolutely delicious. I love car Mines because it's so good.

Yeah, I think that I can get a reservation at very easily.

Yeah, I think that I can get a reservation at very easily.

Both. We're going to do both, okay, but you guys, so while while I was at Laura's party, we were talking about the fact that she was gonna come on just Jen, and as you can imagine, I was overjoyed. But I don't know how we got to talking about this. But you did a podcast you said there's only only been one where because everybody so wants a piece of you and your makeup skills and your products, which I can't. I have to be honest, I do too. I do. I'm sorry, but I do want to talk about them and get hips from anyway, but I can't help. But also because I love you, so I know that you don't get to talk so much about your story and about you and who you are as a woman. And I that's kind of what turns me on in life right now, especially talking to women who are my age and who are who have some stories, tell no things. I think we're probably around this.

Both. We're going to do both, okay, but you guys, so while while I was at Laura's party, we were talking about the fact that she was gonna come on just Jen, and as you can imagine, I was overjoyed. But I don't know how we got to talking about this. But you did a podcast you said there's only only been one where because everybody so wants a piece of you and your makeup skills and your products, which I can't. I have to be honest, I do too. I do. I'm sorry, but I do want to talk about them and get hips from anyway, but I can't help. But also because I love you, so I know that you don't get to talk so much about your story and about you and who you are as a woman. And I that's kind of what turns me on in life right now, especially talking to women who are my age and who are who have some stories, tell no things. I think we're probably around this.

Now, my friend. I don't know about that six years old, and I love you.

Now, my friend. I don't know about that six years old, and I love you.

You're sixty.

You're sixty.

I wish I was in my fifties again, because damn sixties, you know, but I would It's so funny, you know that question that people get, what would you say to your younger self? And I always remember when I turned forty, when I turned fifty, even when I turned sixty, remember thinking, oh god, I can't believe in forty. I can't believe in my fifties. Now I wish I could go back and grab those years and not stress over getting older. When I was owing forty, hello, owing fifty, and from sixty to sixty six, that may be the fastest six years of my life. I turned sixty six in August.

I wish I was in my fifties again, because damn sixties, you know, but I would It's so funny, you know that question that people get, what would you say to your younger self? And I always remember when I turned forty, when I turned fifty, even when I turned sixty, remember thinking, oh god, I can't believe in forty. I can't believe in my fifties. Now I wish I could go back and grab those years and not stress over getting older. When I was owing forty, hello, owing fifty, and from sixty to sixty six, that may be the fastest six years of my life. I turned sixty six in August.

And August what August?

And August what August?

What August second, I'm August ninth. Oh, oh my lea.

What August second, I'm August ninth. Oh, oh my lea.

Sister, oh queen, Oh my god.

Sister, oh queen, Oh my god.

I love it. I'm not su bit and so I just yeah. I sometimes still can't believe it either. And when you tell people, oh, you're and then they go, you're sixty, and I'm like mm hm. Even they think sixty six is something yours sixty six like that, You.

I love it. I'm not su bit and so I just yeah. I sometimes still can't believe it either. And when you tell people, oh, you're and then they go, you're sixty, and I'm like mm hm. Even they think sixty six is something yours sixty six like that, You.

Know, I get that a lot. And I'm fifty six and I get that a lot, and I say it like you do. I'm proud of my age. I like to say how old I am. I say it probably too often, just even though now I really for me, it's funny because fifty well maybe fifty one or two to fifty six was a big change just in my body, the way I move, the way I think, the way I look, the way I all of it, all of it. But I am definitely happier or two as I get older, more self confident, less and secure, know what I want. Boundaries blah blah blah blah.

Know, I get that a lot. And I'm fifty six and I get that a lot, and I say it like you do. I'm proud of my age. I like to say how old I am. I say it probably too often, just even though now I really for me, it's funny because fifty well maybe fifty one or two to fifty six was a big change just in my body, the way I move, the way I think, the way I look, the way I all of it, all of it. But I am definitely happier or two as I get older, more self confident, less and secure, know what I want. Boundaries blah blah blah blah.

Same.

Same.

Tell me, well, first, tell me what you spoke to that other podcast person about it was your story, and I know you don't get asked much about it because everybody wants a piece of you. But I want to hear about you and like, you know, because again I want to hear about women my age ish and I find it just fascinating to.

Tell me, well, first, tell me what you spoke to that other podcast person about it was your story, and I know you don't get asked much about it because everybody wants a piece of you. But I want to hear about you and like, you know, because again I want to hear about women my age ish and I find it just fascinating to.

Your peace and well, that's why you're so good at what you do, because you're really sincerely interested.

Your peace and well, that's why you're so good at what you do, because you're really sincerely interested.

And I amn't really no interesting to you.

And I amn't really no interesting to you.

I'm so flattered, you know, I told I told you about that podcast. So that podcast lives on QVC streaming channel. There is a host that's very well known there named Sean Killinger, and she started a podcast where she's interviewing guests that are a guest on QVC. And she gave me rose during the podcast, and I knew when she gave it to May that I was going to start talking. And I told Jen Weld you about that podcast because I thought most of the time when I do a podcast, when I'm fortunate to be a guest, people ask me about my business trajectory and how did I start and you know where I how did I get to be such a well known brand or things like that, But a lot of people don't ask me personal things.

I'm so flattered, you know, I told I told you about that podcast. So that podcast lives on QVC streaming channel. There is a host that's very well known there named Sean Killinger, and she started a podcast where she's interviewing guests that are a guest on QVC. And she gave me rose during the podcast, and I knew when she gave it to May that I was going to start talking. And I told Jen Weld you about that podcast because I thought most of the time when I do a podcast, when I'm fortunate to be a guest, people ask me about my business trajectory and how did I start and you know where I how did I get to be such a well known brand or things like that, But a lot of people don't ask me personal things.

Yeah, I want to know. Yeah, that's what I want to know. I mean, that's I want to know it all. But I definitely would like to know that. It's funny to me and like even you guys, there's so much I could say. Okay, even Laura says it was a she was asked about herself by a QVC host, like you guys, don't I don't know if all of you know about QVC and more, I don't know if you know about how our products sold out in like some ridiculous record amount of time, and like her QVC presence and but again that's for the next podcast.

Yeah, I want to know. Yeah, that's what I want to know. I mean, that's I want to know it all. But I definitely would like to know that. It's funny to me and like even you guys, there's so much I could say. Okay, even Laura says it was a she was asked about herself by a QVC host, like you guys, don't I don't know if all of you know about QVC and more, I don't know if you know about how our products sold out in like some ridiculous record amount of time, and like her QVC presence and but again that's for the next podcast.

Now that I do, I would love to come back at.

Now that I do, I would love to come back at.

Okay, so tell me tell me about but tell me about I don't know, tell me about you know.

Okay, so tell me tell me about but tell me about I don't know, tell me about you know.

The truth stuff is it's I always assume people know my story. Not the world, but friends like yourself. I just assume people know. And then when I did this podcast, people listened to it, they were like I never knew that, and oh my god, and I have a newfound respect for you, and so I will share a little bit with that with you. So I started my career at eighteen, right out of high school. I was supposed to go to college and was just going to college because everybody else was. And then a friend stopped me and said, what are you doing that for. You love the world of makeup.

The truth stuff is it's I always assume people know my story. Not the world, but friends like yourself. I just assume people know. And then when I did this podcast, people listened to it, they were like I never knew that, and oh my god, and I have a newfound respect for you, and so I will share a little bit with that with you. So I started my career at eighteen, right out of high school. I was supposed to go to college and was just going to college because everybody else was. And then a friend stopped me and said, what are you doing that for. You love the world of makeup.

You should people are. Where did you grow up in.

You should people are. Where did you grow up in.

Rockland County by the Spring Valley.

Rockland County by the Spring Valley.

Yeah, that's right here. I'm an Upper sent River.

Yeah, that's right here. I'm an Upper sent River.

Okay, so we left the Bronx when I was eight. I still somehow have that Bronx accent.

Okay, so we left the Bronx when I was eight. I still somehow have that Bronx accent.

I think if I love it, I love it.

I think if I love it, I love it.

I think I talked like my late mother. But when I grew up in Rockland, and you know, everybody was going to state schools and you know, just studying liberal arts or whatever. You know, some others had professions. But I wound up going to beauty school because her friends said to me, I know you love makeup. I was very creative. I wasn't somebody who liked academia, and so I wound up going to beauty school in Spring Valley. Long story short, I was miserable because you were learning about hair, not makeup, and I wanted to learn makeup. So the owner of the school felt compelled to have to figure out what to do with me because I said all right, so I have my license to do hair. I don't want to do hair. So he sent me in New York City to School of Visual Arts and I studied theater and film makeup. So I did theater and film makeup after studying it for most of my career. I mean I worked on legendary, most esteemed Audrey Hepburn, what I mean, they were older at the time. I worked with Charles doesn't matter.

I think I talked like my late mother. But when I grew up in Rockland, and you know, everybody was going to state schools and you know, just studying liberal arts or whatever. You know, some others had professions. But I wound up going to beauty school because her friends said to me, I know you love makeup. I was very creative. I wasn't somebody who liked academia, and so I wound up going to beauty school in Spring Valley. Long story short, I was miserable because you were learning about hair, not makeup, and I wanted to learn makeup. So the owner of the school felt compelled to have to figure out what to do with me because I said all right, so I have my license to do hair. I don't want to do hair. So he sent me in New York City to School of Visual Arts and I studied theater and film makeup. So I did theater and film makeup after studying it for most of my career. I mean I worked on legendary, most esteemed Audrey Hepburn, what I mean, they were older at the time. I worked with Charles doesn't matter.

You touched her face, yes, Audrey Hepburn.

You touched her face, yes, Audrey Hepburn.

I even Rodger's legs, like I was like legs. I know, wow, I know, I know, I got lucky. I worked on a TV series that interviewed living legends at the time, so many of them were older. But some of them I got so close with because I was young and I was I'm an mpath like you, and I would let they knew that I wasn't starstruck because I was a kid and I didn't really know their body of work then, and they would talk to me, and some of them cry to me, and they would invite me to their homes. I mean, I have stories that go anyway, long story shorts, which I'm going to try to give you.

I even Rodger's legs, like I was like legs. I know, wow, I know, I know, I got lucky. I worked on a TV series that interviewed living legends at the time, so many of them were older. But some of them I got so close with because I was young and I was I'm an mpath like you, and I would let they knew that I wasn't starstruck because I was a kid and I didn't really know their body of work then, and they would talk to me, and some of them cry to me, and they would invite me to their homes. I mean, I have stories that go anyway, long story shorts, which I'm going to try to give you.

No, I want a long story long because of time.

No, I want a long story long because of time.

My career doing makeup in TV and film was for many years. But then I realized people loved what I did to them and wanted to buy the products that I used on them. Because I was a good educator, I would teach them how to do it. And I never planned to have my own makeup line, but then people would say, well, how do I buy that shadow or how do I buy that blush. Then I found this private label manufacturer and I would order twelve at a time because you couldn't order one, you had to order a dozen, and I'd stick a label on it and work. And then I rented in an apartment in the city in Hell's Kitchen, and my fancy customers were like, what are you doing on Eighth Avenue in the fifties, I only ever come here to go to Broadway. I was like, well, it's you know, you get to come see me and they were like, oh, but I'm not coming back here. You got to drop off the makeup and year if it was, it was like build it and they will come. The customers really laid out my career path like you should open a store. So then I opened a store. You know, but years later. I opened my store on the Upper East Side in nineteen ninety three, and I was so having so much fun, and I was so passionate about what I was doing that it took up most of my life. Like I I was dating. I had boyfriends, nothing really one serious, but nothing that ended up in engagement of marriage. And because I was so fueled by my career, I was giving up my personal life, like friends were getting married and I was like, oh crap, you know, like, oh my god. And one day a client was in my chair at my store. I said, you don't remember me. I came to you when I was forty. I'm fifty now. I always come to you for my birthday, she said, And I'm an ob And I remember asking you when you were younger if you wanted kids, and you said yes, And she said how old are you now? I said, well, I'm forty And she said, and what are you doing about kids? And I said nothing, And she's like, well what are you waiting for? You got to get moving and she literally told me where to go on seventy ninth Street and off of lex I was on seventy fourth and lex I thought, that's convenient to a fertility doctor. And I was dating this guy at the time that I knew was like he was hot looking, but I didn't want to marry him. And I told him I'm going to see this for he goes, I'll come with you. He came with me to the fertility doctor and the doctor looked at me and went pointed to the guy and said, I said, I don't want him to be the father of my children, and goes, okay. I said, I don't even know what he's doing here, and the doctor said to me, well, if you want to get your you got to get started.

My career doing makeup in TV and film was for many years. But then I realized people loved what I did to them and wanted to buy the products that I used on them. Because I was a good educator, I would teach them how to do it. And I never planned to have my own makeup line, but then people would say, well, how do I buy that shadow or how do I buy that blush. Then I found this private label manufacturer and I would order twelve at a time because you couldn't order one, you had to order a dozen, and I'd stick a label on it and work. And then I rented in an apartment in the city in Hell's Kitchen, and my fancy customers were like, what are you doing on Eighth Avenue in the fifties, I only ever come here to go to Broadway. I was like, well, it's you know, you get to come see me and they were like, oh, but I'm not coming back here. You got to drop off the makeup and year if it was, it was like build it and they will come. The customers really laid out my career path like you should open a store. So then I opened a store. You know, but years later. I opened my store on the Upper East Side in nineteen ninety three, and I was so having so much fun, and I was so passionate about what I was doing that it took up most of my life. Like I I was dating. I had boyfriends, nothing really one serious, but nothing that ended up in engagement of marriage. And because I was so fueled by my career, I was giving up my personal life, like friends were getting married and I was like, oh crap, you know, like, oh my god. And one day a client was in my chair at my store. I said, you don't remember me. I came to you when I was forty. I'm fifty now. I always come to you for my birthday, she said, And I'm an ob And I remember asking you when you were younger if you wanted kids, and you said yes, And she said how old are you now? I said, well, I'm forty And she said, and what are you doing about kids? And I said nothing, And she's like, well what are you waiting for? You got to get moving and she literally told me where to go on seventy ninth Street and off of lex I was on seventy fourth and lex I thought, that's convenient to a fertility doctor. And I was dating this guy at the time that I knew was like he was hot looking, but I didn't want to marry him. And I told him I'm going to see this for he goes, I'll come with you. He came with me to the fertility doctor and the doctor looked at me and went pointed to the guy and said, I said, I don't want him to be the father of my children, and goes, okay. I said, I don't even know what he's doing here, and the doctor said to me, well, if you want to get your you got to get started.

Now.

Now.

You know, they didn't talk about freezing eggs back then. I wish I had known about that, but I don't even think that was an option. So he told me what I had to do to have a child on my own. And I spent a year getting injections. The nurse from the office would come and sneak into my store and I'd shut the room, the door to the makeup room, and she'd give me a shot. And I had a donor and I had my son on my own, and I had him when I was just turned forty two. So I started, like when I was in my early forties forty forty and then I was He was born on August twenty second, two thousand, and I had just turned forty two, and I was blessed that I was able to have a child on my own, and it was not many people did it, and so I I don't think about it like I think people look at me and they go, oh, she was married, or oh she must be divorced, or oh maybe she's a widow like they. I don't know what people think. But I told that story when I did that podcast. And I have been on QBC twenty seven years and this host knows me almost all of those years, and she was in shock. She was in shock.

You know, they didn't talk about freezing eggs back then. I wish I had known about that, but I don't even think that was an option. So he told me what I had to do to have a child on my own. And I spent a year getting injections. The nurse from the office would come and sneak into my store and I'd shut the room, the door to the makeup room, and she'd give me a shot. And I had a donor and I had my son on my own, and I had him when I was just turned forty two. So I started, like when I was in my early forties forty forty and then I was He was born on August twenty second, two thousand, and I had just turned forty two, and I was blessed that I was able to have a child on my own, and it was not many people did it, and so I I don't think about it like I think people look at me and they go, oh, she was married, or oh she must be divorced, or oh maybe she's a widow like they. I don't know what people think. But I told that story when I did that podcast. And I have been on QBC twenty seven years and this host knows me almost all of those years, and she was in shock. She was in shock.

And you know, my son is twenty four now, right, My son's twenty So he was born in two thousand. Yeah, mine May of twenty four. He's twenty four.

And you know, my son is twenty four now, right, My son's twenty So he was born in two thousand. Yeah, mine May of twenty four. He's twenty four.

And you know, he doesn't know it any other way. He doesn't know it any other way. I mean, do I wish I could have had the traditional marriage and having children, But in many ways, you know, what he never had was kind of what I had growing up, which was not parents that had a good marriage and lots of fighting. Him My parents got divorced when I was eleven. There was never fighting in the house. It was calm, and because of it, I really believe he's so much more well adjusted than I was, because I saw things no child should see when you grow up with parents that don't have a good marriage.

And you know, he doesn't know it any other way. He doesn't know it any other way. I mean, do I wish I could have had the traditional marriage and having children, But in many ways, you know, what he never had was kind of what I had growing up, which was not parents that had a good marriage and lots of fighting. Him My parents got divorced when I was eleven. There was never fighting in the house. It was calm, and because of it, I really believe he's so much more well adjusted than I was, because I saw things no child should see when you grow up with parents that don't have a good marriage.

You know, yeah, I do know he did. I can't. I wish. I hope that whoever's listening understands it. This was see I get it because in nineteen ninety three I saw your store. I would have died if I could have. I was living in New York City. I would have died if I could have would have thought that all of these years later, I'm going to be friends with Laura Geller. Oh, but like to have so much going on in your career at that point, and before nineteen ninety three obviously, and then to be it was very progressive thinking, right, I mean, it wasn't that long ago, but still right to say I want a baby, and not only do you want a baby, but you're going to be able to support this baby on your own independent, which is what my grandmother always said to me. Be independent, that is everything.

You know, yeah, I do know he did. I can't. I wish. I hope that whoever's listening understands it. This was see I get it because in nineteen ninety three I saw your store. I would have died if I could have. I was living in New York City. I would have died if I could have would have thought that all of these years later, I'm going to be friends with Laura Geller. Oh, but like to have so much going on in your career at that point, and before nineteen ninety three obviously, and then to be it was very progressive thinking, right, I mean, it wasn't that long ago, but still right to say I want a baby, and not only do you want a baby, but you're going to be able to support this baby on your own independent, which is what my grandmother always said to me. Be independent, that is everything.

And nobody ever told me that. Oh now, it's all the time I saw my mother not be independent when my father left. And I remember a neighbor who I'm still friends with, my first friend growing up in Spring Valley, Jody. At seven, I met her. Her mother was much younger than my mother. She taught my mother how to write a check. And I remember I wrote a letter to myself when I was twelve years old, saying I will never rely on a man at twelve. I have the letter here and I will always give it framed. I never framed it, and I actually I know it has to be framed.

And nobody ever told me that. Oh now, it's all the time I saw my mother not be independent when my father left. And I remember a neighbor who I'm still friends with, my first friend growing up in Spring Valley, Jody. At seven, I met her. Her mother was much younger than my mother. She taught my mother how to write a check. And I remember I wrote a letter to myself when I was twelve years old, saying I will never rely on a man at twelve. I have the letter here and I will always give it framed. I never framed it, and I actually I know it has to be framed.

Really it is. How unbelievable is that? That's ever, that's your story, that's a you're twelve years years old.

Really it is. How unbelievable is that? That's ever, that's your story, that's a you're twelve years years old.

I said, I'm listening to my transistor radio. Listen to Cousin Brucey right now on WABC, and in my bedroom, my best friend is Jody Rosenwasser, and and I said, I will o whisby success as something I don't. I have it. I took a screenshot of it, so it's on my phone.

I said, I'm listening to my transistor radio. Listen to Cousin Brucey right now on WABC, and in my bedroom, my best friend is Jody Rosenwasser, and and I said, I will o whisby success as something I don't. I have it. I took a screenshot of it, so it's on my phone.

But I mean only because like who. First of all, I don't know what the hell I said to myself at age twelve. It wasn't I'll never have anyone write a check for me. It was something along the lines of I wish a boy would kiss me, and I'll do anything. It was not that, but also just in terms of who you are. That's so that's lately just.

But I mean only because like who. First of all, I don't know what the hell I said to myself at age twelve. It wasn't I'll never have anyone write a check for me. It was something along the lines of I wish a boy would kiss me, and I'll do anything. It was not that, but also just in terms of who you are. That's so that's lately just.

You could go one way or the other. Right, I could have, you know, not been ambitious. And you know, my sister she rest in peace. She was four years older than me. She was shy, and she didn't take it well and it affected her life.

You could go one way or the other. Right, I could have, you know, not been ambitious. And you know, my sister she rest in peace. She was four years older than me. She was shy, and she didn't take it well and it affected her life.

And and I was like, what did your family dynamic?

And and I was like, what did your family dynamic?

Dynamic it got, you know, over the years, it got to listen, it probably got I never got married, so it definitely affecting me.

Dynamic it got, you know, over the years, it got to listen, it probably got I never got married, so it definitely affecting me.

But I think, do you think that's why. I mean, I don't know.

But I think, do you think that's why. I mean, I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I had I had a very very tumultuous, difficult childhood. I mean I've got many many divorces, not just one, and lots of what my I mean my parents, both my parents have been married more than once, and like right now, my well, my father is divorced, but I have a daughter who's younger than my daughter. I have a sister who's younger than my daughter. There's lots of weird dynamics in my family. My mother was divorced and then married a guy and he passed away, and then it's just it's a lot. It was a lot growing up, and anyway, it's not about me. How did you promine myself? I can only tell you that when you just said, like the way that your son grew up with a certain amount of peace and being conscious of that that you didn't maybe have the same type of peace growing up, I think that was so important to me. And although my kids may tell their therapists something else, they grew up. In my mind they are very blessed and I was not a perfect mother. There are things that I would do differently at one point. Yeah, we're not. And Jeff and I were separated for a year and a half and I feel to this day, I know that was really hard on them, but happily I had the brains in my head to not divorce him and to get back together, thank God. But you know, so they've had difficulties, but I don't feel I can't. Maybe one day I'll feel bad for them, but not today because they had Jeff Professor, who was a much i think a better parent than I was. But they had a lot of peace in their life that I did not have. And I made sure of it, and I made sure that it wasn't screening and chaos. And so you understand I do, I do, And I think your son is unbelievably lucky. I hope that he knows it. I'm sure that he does.

I had I had a very very tumultuous, difficult childhood. I mean I've got many many divorces, not just one, and lots of what my I mean my parents, both my parents have been married more than once, and like right now, my well, my father is divorced, but I have a daughter who's younger than my daughter. I have a sister who's younger than my daughter. There's lots of weird dynamics in my family. My mother was divorced and then married a guy and he passed away, and then it's just it's a lot. It was a lot growing up, and anyway, it's not about me. How did you promine myself? I can only tell you that when you just said, like the way that your son grew up with a certain amount of peace and being conscious of that that you didn't maybe have the same type of peace growing up, I think that was so important to me. And although my kids may tell their therapists something else, they grew up. In my mind they are very blessed and I was not a perfect mother. There are things that I would do differently at one point. Yeah, we're not. And Jeff and I were separated for a year and a half and I feel to this day, I know that was really hard on them, but happily I had the brains in my head to not divorce him and to get back together, thank God. But you know, so they've had difficulties, but I don't feel I can't. Maybe one day I'll feel bad for them, but not today because they had Jeff Professor, who was a much i think a better parent than I was. But they had a lot of peace in their life that I did not have. And I made sure of it, and I made sure that it wasn't screening and chaos. And so you understand I do, I do, And I think your son is unbelievably lucky. I hope that he knows it. I'm sure that he does.

Oh he does. He he'll tell me, you know, he'll say to me, Mom, like I realize when I go to certain friends homes, you know, growing up or now today, He'll say to me, I realize, like how like normal you are, and like how lucky we are to have our relationship the way we do because I look at some of my friends that won't talk to their parents about their private things, or you know, he sees the dichotomy from his other friends and what we have. And so, you know, as they get older, I think your children too see that they do, and they recognize the work you put into raising them. And believe me, they all owe my stuff and the mistakes I made. And well, although he'll say, no, you don't own it, but I mean the thing is, I think they have a found respect for knowing what we went through and how we changed.

Oh he does. He he'll tell me, you know, he'll say to me, Mom, like I realize when I go to certain friends homes, you know, growing up or now today, He'll say to me, I realize, like how like normal you are, and like how lucky we are to have our relationship the way we do because I look at some of my friends that won't talk to their parents about their private things, or you know, he sees the dichotomy from his other friends and what we have. And so, you know, as they get older, I think your children too see that they do, and they recognize the work you put into raising them. And believe me, they all owe my stuff and the mistakes I made. And well, although he'll say, no, you don't own it, but I mean the thing is, I think they have a found respect for knowing what we went through and how we changed.

My kids, know, I mean, yeah, I've been definitely been open with him about my own difficulties growing up. But I just cannot I mean, I just can't imagine having you as a mother. And also just I don't know was how I feel. I don't know why. I'm not sure that all my viewers understand. I don't know who's listening or my listeners understand. Like for me again, like nineteen ninety three, I know that you had a store because I went there, like I so when I met you at Margaret's, I was like, to me, it's just your icnic. And now I'm picturing like your son and having him, you know, on your own and being that independent which is so important for women. And then I'm almost a little jealous of your son, you know what, I don't like him. I just decided to tell them to fail. I'm jealous or I'm jealous of Lily.

My kids, know, I mean, yeah, I've been definitely been open with him about my own difficulties growing up. But I just cannot I mean, I just can't imagine having you as a mother. And also just I don't know was how I feel. I don't know why. I'm not sure that all my viewers understand. I don't know who's listening or my listeners understand. Like for me again, like nineteen ninety three, I know that you had a store because I went there, like I so when I met you at Margaret's, I was like, to me, it's just your icnic. And now I'm picturing like your son and having him, you know, on your own and being that independent which is so important for women. And then I'm almost a little jealous of your son, you know what, I don't like him. I just decided to tell them to fail. I'm jealous or I'm jealous of Lily.

I don't know which Daniels really.

I don't know which Daniels really.

Lily is Laura's sons a girlfriend? Yes? Who ire? But yeah, that I mean, was it so? Was it hard? It was? Everything is hard. Life is hard. Life is just that is. I was talking about that in another podcast No.

Lily is Laura's sons a girlfriend? Yes? Who ire? But yeah, that I mean, was it so? Was it hard? It was? Everything is hard. Life is hard. Life is just that is. I was talking about that in another podcast No.

One Else when it comes away gay and my story is not nearly as bad as other people's and or so unique or it's and for me it's normal. But then when I talked to people or I did that podcast and people were like, I just assumed you were men married. I just assumed you might be divorced or you know, I realized that, like, I want to tell my story. I want to tell my story because I fought for everything. It wasn't easy, and I relied on nanny's and maybe I didn't always pick the right ones, and so I didn't.

One Else when it comes away gay and my story is not nearly as bad as other people's and or so unique or it's and for me it's normal. But then when I talked to people or I did that podcast and people were like, I just assumed you were men married. I just assumed you might be divorced or you know, I realized that, like, I want to tell my story. I want to tell my story because I fought for everything. It wasn't easy, and I relied on nanny's and maybe I didn't always pick the right ones, and so I didn't.

You can't, you can't.

You can't, you can't.

Yeah, it was hard, and I was working tirelessly. I took him with me. I had to go to London six times a year to do QBC in London, and I would take him in the nanny or get a sitter there, and I wouldn't leave him behind. Or if I had to go, I went and did my job and came back the next day.

Yeah, it was hard, and I was working tirelessly. I took him with me. I had to go to London six times a year to do QBC in London, and I would take him in the nanny or get a sitter there, and I wouldn't leave him behind. Or if I had to go, I went and did my job and came back the next day.

You know, he'll tell you no one to lean on. I mean not just raising hid but now picture completely being financially responsible.

You know, he'll tell you no one to lean on. I mean not just raising hid but now picture completely being financially responsible.

And I didn't have money then. I was working and clamoring. My father used to say to me, I don't understand. You have this store, you're paying this kind of rent, You're working really hard. You don't have any money in the bank. I was like, I put it all back into inventory, into paying my employees in the store. And I think it looked a certain way, but it wasn't until I got an investment in my business in twenty twelve. And it happened because of my store. A banker walked by and dropped a note off saying, do you want to sell your business? And I thought, I don't know how that works. I don't know. I like being the one hundred percent business owner. What did I know there was no mentorship. I didn't know that that was a thing, you know, private eye.

And I didn't have money then. I was working and clamoring. My father used to say to me, I don't understand. You have this store, you're paying this kind of rent, You're working really hard. You don't have any money in the bank. I was like, I put it all back into inventory, into paying my employees in the store. And I think it looked a certain way, but it wasn't until I got an investment in my business in twenty twelve. And it happened because of my store. A banker walked by and dropped a note off saying, do you want to sell your business? And I thought, I don't know how that works. I don't know. I like being the one hundred percent business owner. What did I know there was no mentorship. I didn't know that that was a thing, you know, private eye.

We were working on Wall Street or in finance right so far into me Jen so far? And so what happened about?