Trust Me: Cults, Extreme Belief, and ManipulationRoberta Blevins, Part 1 - Inside LuLaRoe
In part one with former LuLaRoe seller and Life After MLM podcast host, Roberta Blevins, she'll share how she first got involved in MLMS, what LuLaRoe was like, what the deal was with the wet smelly leggings, and what made realize that she did not want to be a part of MLM life anymore. We'll discuss how MLMs make good people act badly, what "huns" and "megahuns" are, and where the line is between incompetence and knowingly engaging in harmful practices.
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I've never lied to you. I never If you think that one person has all the answers, don't welcome to trust Me. The podcast about colds, extreme belief and manipulation from two mega huns who've actually experienced it. I'm Lola Blanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth megahun Elizabeth all Right. Today, our guest is Roberta Blevin's former lularoe seller and host of the podcast Life After MLM. In Part one. Today, she's going to tell us how she first got involved with MLMs, what Lularo was like, what the deal was with the wet, smelly leggings, and what finally opened her eyes and made her realize she didn't want to be a part of MLM life anymore.
We'll discuss how MLMs make good people act badly, what huns and mega huns are, and where the line is between incompetence and knowingly engaging in harmful practices. Plus, next week we'll talk about the Lularoe president Diane red Flags to look for and more. I'm so obsessed with Dian I can't wait to talk about her next week.
Yeah, she is fascinating. And also Roberta in a very different, much better way, is fascinating to talk.
To Roberta in the good way. Obsessed with Dan and the bad, Yes, the.
Bad exactly, but I'm so glad she finally made it onto this podcast.
We have done a few episodes about MLMs, but we have been dying to talk to the Queen of MLMs, Roberta. So she has given us just a behind the scenes, very informed, because zoomed out look that I'm obsessed with.
Also, we have not specifically done a Lula Roux episode yet, I know, so I'm really good.
I'm everybody watched that documentary Lula Rich Hula Rich. Yeah, good, so good.
Before we get into MLM life with her, what's your cultiest thing of the week.
Okay, Well, there's a bishop known as the Bling bishop.
He was in the news a while back.
He like wears the most expensive clothes and jewelry ever. And he was giving a sermon and three masked men ran in and the whole thing was being live streamed and like robbed him while he was giving a sermon.
Which is crazy.
But he is now convicted of fraud by the FBI. So you know, I follow accounts like preachers, sneakers and things that call attention to the crazy amount of wealth a lot of these people are getting and the crazy things that they're buying. So I like to keep an eye on what's happening in the world of some of it maybe being fraudulent.
Okay, so you said Bling Bishop, and so I started googling it, and there's the Bling bishop who has now been found guilty for spending ninety thousand dollars of its parishioner's money. But then there's this, there's photos of a totally different guy which totally confused me, called who was named the Bishop of Bling, who was a different guy. He was He's German, though.
We're talking about Lamar Whitehead.
Lamar Whitehead is the Bling bishop, and the Bishop of Bling is a different guy who did a very very similar thing. So I guess it's just a thing people be spending lots of money that they're not supposed to be spending.
Yeah, And it doesn't come down to as simple of an answer as just look for congregations that dress super simply because we've seen, you know, there's like the Plain People podcast and.
Also be a redflex, also a red flat.
It's like, what the hell? But definitely something that caught my eye this week? What about you, what's your cultiest thing of the week?
Well, as you know, and as our listener, don't maybe yet, but I'll be doing a video about it soon probably. I went to Washington, d C.
You did last week?
Was that last week? Last week to advocate for a bill related to brain injuries and trying to explain to people that brain injury induced by drug overdose and heart attack and stroke is just as important as TBI but is completely understudied and no one cares about it for some reason, even though it's a much worse injury. But what I learned was it was my first time engaging with like offices in Congress about specific change that I'm trying to make happen, and it was really interesting to me because you know, I'd been talking about lobbying a little bit. But the truth is that these politicians sit in these offices, they don't have like experts on staff. I was talking to someone there about that there's not like a head science man in the office that's like here's a priority, here's what matters. It's just like these twenty five year old staffers taking most of the meetings and like you know, communicating them to their bosses, the senators or house members. And so your job, as like someone who's advocating for change or lobbying for something, is to go in there and like really sell your issue and like really tell a good story. And it just became so clear to me because you know, they take like eight meetings a day, like all the time, constant. To me, it felt like the scenes that you would see in movies growing up, where there's a king sitting at his throne and the peasants come in and they're.
Like, please, huh, I need some money for my issue, Please fix this thing, and like the whole world is burning outside and the king is like, I guess you've made me feel something this one time, you know, like.
It's so so much of it is about how much you can engage the person in the room and make them care. So I guess I'm connecting it just because it's just influence. It's all influence, like to get anything done. Sense to me now that like lobbies will spend a fuck ton of money just like trying to kind of shape people's minds and perspective, because that's literally all it is. You have to get someone to care about your issue enough to like write a bill or sign the letter or do the thing, and there are thousands of people competing with you to try to get them to care about their thing, and it's kind of crazy. It's kind of fucked to be honest, Like, I feel like, not that AI would do an ethical job of it, but I feel like relying on the human brain to really like process that much information and do a good job of prioritizing, Like I don't have faith in that. I mean, as evidenced by how bad our healthcare system is, for example. But seeing it in real life was just super interesting because I had a group that was I will stop talking about this in a second, but I had a group that was like not very experienced in storytelling, and you could kind of see the person's eyes glaze over, and I was like, oh, oh shit. This is why, this is why the storytelling matters. This is why the human emotional experience matters more than the facts and the figures, because if people can't emotionally connect their out.
And that's what we see with cult leaders so much.
They have those compelling stories and they have those Oh that's interesting.
I mean I already felt this. But the only way to ever do anything is to be a good storyteller, to make anything happen that's constructive or helpful for the world, like.
Or to make anything happen that's terrible or that's bad.
Yeah, yeah, or to get people from the bad thing out and into the good thing, you know, Like you have to connect emotionally. We're just we're just dumbed little animals that whose brains don't know what to focus on. And we have to like make it easy.
For them emotions what we see in cults all the time. Give them their needs met, their emotions met, and your end stories.
Yeah, thank you for connecting it for me, because hard thing to connect to colds. But I swear it.
Felt I saw listen, I see it too.
Wow.
Well, congratulations on a job well done. That's a huge thing to be a part of.
Well, thank you. We'll see, but I'm going to keep you know, I'll keep trying stuff, so I love that. Anyway, Shall we talk to I was gonna call her Mega Hunt, but I guess she wasn't a Mega Hunt. She was just a Hunt. She's an ex hunt X Hunt.
ROBERTA.
Levins, let's do it. Welcome ROBERTA. Blevins to trust me. Thank you for coming on. We've had your name on our list for a long time. We're finally doing it.
Hello.
Hello, You are MLM experts. You have firsthand experience. You also have a lot of experience talking to a lot of other people who have experienced with them. Can you tell us a little bit about how you were very first introduced to MLMs and which ones they were in the beginning?
You know, I would say the very first MLMs I was probably introduced to were when I was a kid. We used to have MLM parties for like slumber parties. We'd have stamp and up parties and what else do we do? Lots of scrap booking close to my heart, stuff like that, like all of the craft MLMs like we were all about it, but I was a teenager, so I didn't really understand my aunt and my mom bustled mary Kay. But my mom did it for the tax right off, and my aunt did it for the car, So like very different experiences, right. My aunt did try to recruit me a couple times, and I did go do a couple things, so I would say maybe mary Kay was the very first one when I was like, hmm, I wonder if this could work for me, but I didn't do it. I didn't join an MLM officially until after my father had passed away, and that's when I was the most vulnerable. So it works got me, and then I was like, wait a second, this is kind of scammy. And then I joined Luluau like a year later. That's what everybody knows me from is Lularoau. And then I was accidentally recruited into a third MLM on my way out of Luluo, which often happens when you don't really know what's going on and you're trusting people to like what are you going to do next? Like how are you going to make money? And I got recruited into this company called Modare and I was only in it until I got the little letter in the mail that said welcome to the family, and I was like, wait a second. I was like, I don't remember officially signing up for this, but I guess I did. And I ended up selling everything on eBay because I was like, nope, nope, nope, and Solt it all insult all of my MLM graveyard stuff on eBay as best as I could.
And I like that method of dealing with the product. I've like, it seems so obvious, but I just would have never thought of it. For some reason.
Well, people love MLM stuff on eBay. It was wild. That's what people would battle for.
I mean, I mean, honestly, it's strange. I would buy old, like nineties MLM stuff now on eBay just because it would feel like nostalgic and fun, but other fun.
I have to stop talking about how we want MLM stuff.
Once it is away from the company.
Yeah, yeah, wasn't ad vintage. You know, it's like totally a symbol of an era or something.
I totally JK. I love myself a few things that even Yeah, I think it's important to pause that you've joined after your father past, Like you hadn't until that point, And that's something we see so commonly and the work that we do with cults and.
People vulnerable absolutely was your frame of mind, Like.
Oh I was. It was the worst time of my life. It still is the worst time of my life to this day dealing with that. My dad was like I was a daddy's girl, Like he was my softball coach, and like he was like my dude. And he also was the kind of person that like never went to the doctor, like never talked about the hard stuff, Like we don't talk about Bruno. So when he got diagnosed, we just thought it was like a weird severe like food poisoning or some sort of thing, and ended up being advanced stage four pancreatic cancer, which is like there's no coming back from that. So it really was just you know, appreciating what we had left and was not very fast. I mean, I want to say maybe when he went very fast, I would I would say we probably only got about two months after the diagnosis, and I was just getting married at that time, and so I was like a new wife and my daughter was really young, and so I was a new mom and there were so many vulnerabilities, and I just remember like I always like went back to food as like a coping mechanism. And I remember seeing a picture of myself and like just being really succumbing to like diet culture and being like, oh my god, look at what I look like. And oh and just when that person who happened to be my cousin was like, you should try this, like it worked for me, I was like, yeah, okay, I'll give anything a try, Like why not, it's coming from you. You wouldn't scam me, Like you're cool?
What is it works? Because I had never heard of that prior to learning about you.
Okay, so it works is just another health and wellness and it has the dumbest name. It's called it works, right, Like, let's prove that it works by calling it that. When I joined it works, emilms always have like some sort of gimmick that's like the reason that they're the emlem that everybody's talking about. And at the time that I joined it Works, they had these skinny raps where it was literally just like some sort of lotion on like a piece of plastic that you would like saran wrap to yourself and sleep in, and it would like break down the fat cells, and like now, I think one of the bigger ones was like skinny coffee they had they had Keto coffee, and I was like, hate to break into you guys, but Keto like coffee is already Keto like naturally right off the bean. And so it was just, you know, that was the it product. When I joined, I even thought it was stupid. I was like, I don't know, but the hitch here? What was that? When when I had this party for my cousin, There's all these people that were interested, and like I think one person wanted to join, A bunch of people wanted to buy things, and I was going to buy stuff too, And I was like, oh, I'm gonna get like free credits because that's you know, like you get a fifty percent off and a free credit, this and that. And she, my cousin, literally was like, look, you're going to spend one hundred and thirty dollars on all of these products, or you can spend ninety nine to join. You'll get all of the products you want plus these two extra things. And if you decide to make it a business, you have the opportunity to make money too. If you want to, And I was.
Like, it's like, oh, you're getting everything on sale.
Yeah, right, And I was like, even if you don't sell it, like, this is a better deal. And in MLM we call that kidnapping because you're joining for the discount. You're joining for the free stuff. You're not joining to like make a business out of it. You're just joining it to get the cool perks of joining.
Right, free time we talk to somebody about MLMs, I almost joined their MLM because I'm like, yeah, literally I love free treats. Like I'm like, oh cool, it's so seductive and that way and absolutely yeah, oh yeah.
I'm a soccer for a product. I just let me try a product. I just want to try a product, right, And so.
Like to get one of everything for an even higher discount and saved even more money than you were already planning on spending at retail, like right right. But I mean I hate to say that that's girl math, but like that's its stupid, Like you get the better deal with more products for less money, Like it just seems silly. So that's what happened. And then when I said was like, oh yeah, I'm doing at works or whatever, my friends were like, oh my god, I love that, Like can I buy some stuff for you? And I was like really, And it just had a couple of people underneath me. But it's I didn't like it because it's an MLM. I was telling the same thing as everybody else. I had the same website. It was annoying because you couldn't post it on Facebook because Facebook had said like, oh, this is spam, so you had to like get a secondary URL and like have it redirected. And I was like, this is too many steps, Like this just seems kind of scammy, Like I'm not into this, and I think I lasted three months before I was like yeah no, and I just moved on.
It doesn't work.
It doesn't work. Yeah yeah. So when Lulaaroa came around like a year later, all of the things that had annoyed me about being in an MLM, like were non existent. Like the replicated websites, we didn't have those selling the same thing. Like, there were so many different products and you could pick and choose. If you didn't want to sell skirts, you didn't have to. If you if you didn't want to sell leggings, you didn't have to. Like there were so many different things, like I could buy it from me and get a completely different inventory as if I bought it from your store, Megan or your store, like we all have completely different inventory. So if I didn't have it, I'd be like, oh, well, my my teammate has it, and I could move it, like move that customer someone around somewhere to someone else, and people are like, oh wow. Like so the red flags that I didn't like about it works like didn't have there weren't there in lulao And I was like, I still didn't like the name. I thought Lula Roux was a stupid name. But people were buying the leggings, and I was like, I could sell leggings. It's c retainly not that difficult. I didn't see anything nefarious about it when I first joined at.
All, right, I mean they were just like trendy. Everyone wanted to wear the obsessed with those freaking leggings. What do you think was about them that people love so much?
Explain them? It has to be gambling, dopamine addiction. There's Yeah. I've been asked this question so many times, from like being on shows or just my friends, like, yeah, did you see the leggings. I was like, yes, But for me, there were enough patterns that I was like, oh, like those are cute, Like I would wear those. There were a couple of different prints that had like significant meaning to me that I was like, Oh, it would be really cute to like have this. I would look cute with this other graphic T shirt I have. And my daughter was really young and so we would match and I could dress kind of more juvenile, and it was cute because I was a mom of a tombler and we were being silly and doing silly things. So like now I don't wear loud prints just because it's like I'm not in that era of my life anymore. But back then it was cute to have candy cane on my leggings, and that's what I was my mom uniform anyway. So when I would see floral print and be like, oh, I would totally buy that. I would also see some weird novelty like these squirrels with these like gigantic like LSD eyes, where I was like, what the hell. Somebody would be like I need those, and You're like okay, like they were it was weird, and I would say like is anybody gonna buy this. And I was always told like, well, if you only stalked inventory that you would wear, like, you would miss out on the customers of the people that do want those squirrels, or do want those crazies or do want the stripes.
Wait, there were ones with clowns.
Oh my god.
Okay, so there was.
Ones that had pine cones that looked like turds.
Okay, okay, so there's a range. So what I'm what I think we're understanding for me is like you order the inventory and you don't know what you're going to get, so it you could have turd pine cones, clowns, and then like a few cute floral prints and so that's part of the dopamine hit, is like it's gambling, like am I going to get the floral? Am I going to get most florals? Or am I going to get whatever? And so you kind of get addicted to getting these boxes.
Right, So I'm getting addicted to the ordering because I'm opening up the box going, oh, I can sell that, I can sell that, I can sell that, And I'm like ching to ching to ching, and I'm like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, all of this is money. All of this I can sell instantly, so I'm getting the dopamine, the dopamine hit on my end. But then when I go live to share it to sell it, and I show those leggings that everybody's been looking for because there are fan groups and instagramram pages of like, this is what we're looking for, this is the hot print of the week. And I give them these like silly names. You open that inventory and you realize, only, god, I have five of them. They're like, ooh, I could save one for like a raffle, and people can buy things and this could be the winner. And so there's all these things going through your head where you have all these things to do. You can then tease that stuff. Then people are going to get the dopamine hit of Oh my god, ROBERTA has You know, maybe I choose to sell the MEMBERTA has three. Right, you are one of the three people that win.
You're like, oh my god, Beanie Baby, it's just this or public babies, yeah, absolutely, or like eggs surprises for kids opening up mystery toys on YouTube, like absolutely, it's the gambling, it's the gotcha machine, It's it's the mystery.
Or is it going to be rare or is it gonna be? Like what is it going to be? We have to tune in, we have to watch, we have to be there. When it was wild, like people would fight over time stamps because you'd have to just type and sold I get hold something up and say this is so amazing. It's number forty two, and if you wanted it, you'd have to be the first person to type sold forty two. And so people would be like sold forty two and you'd be like boomoo boo boom bom boom. I only had three, so I can only take the first three. Well, number three and four. They're now battling over time stamps because on my side, I was number three. Well on my side, i'm number three, and they would ask us to like down to the second whoa who typed it first?
So the customer is gambling.
Too so much. Yeah, it was just this just fueled, just fueled by fire and dopamine. It's crazy.
So much of this is so smart. These tactics are so smart. Like the smartest business move is to get people is to create scarcity and then like have it kind of show up. It's like fucking Willie Wonka or something right, and especially in this fanaticism right right, right, yeah, I mean, like how did they make such fanaticism though it's so crazy? I mean, I guess at that time, Like I also, I was never a Lula Roe person. I didn't even know what it was till a couple of years ago. But in that same time period, I was legging. Patterned leggings were like the thing, and you wanted to have the unique ones. You wanted to be the one, you know, like your patterned leggings were cooler than other people's.
Pattern Like most completely you did have these same black leggings for like thirty years.
No.
I had these like gold and black like shiny ones, And I thought it was so cool when I would go out with those, because like no one else had shiny ones, you know.
Well, I mean, like even fabletics and stores like that that are not MLMs, like legit clothing stores, We're having these brightly patterned, loud leggings. And the other thing that Lulao did is they had these really high waisted thick band like a pair of yoga pants, where a lot of leggings didn't have that. They just had a basic elastic waste. So Luluo started making it that way, and a lot of other leggings brands sort of adopted that as well, and they're like yoga waist bands became them mart thing.
Also, I just looked up the Lula Rode time period, and I guess my legging era was a little earlier than this legging era. I think I did miss this legging era. I don't know what I was doing this whole time. Mine was like two thousand and seven, okay, not important, nod and nine not important, not relevant. So you end up selling Lula ro leggings and it goes very well for you. Right, how did you do it? Like did you just were you just really plugged into a network of women who were like in this zone?
How did it work?
Yeah? Absolutely, I've always been plugged in. I just am a plugged in person. I think it's my ADHD. I talked to everybody I was friends with every friend group in high school, Like there was everybody who's like hey, I remember it, Like there was never I just I'm a friendly person, so I always talk to people. I've always had a network. I was a hairstylist, so I had a really big network there of a lot of people that trusted me. I had already I had been a blogger and I had been doing like beauty reviews and family stuff recipes, so like so many people came to me for advice anyway, like right, I bet Roberta has a recipe for this, or I bet Roberta knows the best thing. So it was already like that, I know that there are people out there that just it's just how they are. And so when I was trying to look for something to bring myself home because I was doing hair in Los Angeles, and I was like, I'm so overdriving up there once a month and like doing this, Like I have this little girl at home that needs me, Like I want to be there for the cheberoning and the things I need to do, like I need to get out of LA and come back down to San Diego permanently. And it just showed up. A lot of people will say like, oh, I was praying for this. I'm not super religious, so I wasn't praying for it, but it was definitely something in the back of my mind, going something will come along that will solve these problems that I have multiple of, like I need to do this, this, and this, and I would sit there and I would watch things fly off the shelf and I was just like, I can sell this like this, Like people are buying the dumbest, ugliest thing.
It's like they're fighting you over I would buy something dumb and ugly from you.
You're very yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
I was like why not?
Like yeah, and you know, I just knew I could do it. My father sold cars, he owned car dealerships. He taught me about customer service and how to make people feel special and how to make people come back and like want to shop with you and want to be with you, and it just it was easy. You know, it's not easy for everybody, but for me it was. And I even will watch my old videos and I'll react to them on YouTube and stuff, and most of them I am giving sales advice when I'm talking to a team. This is what you can do. You can add notes, you can add a piece of candy, go to cost go and get you know, a thing of pop rocks. Like I'm talking about customer retention and sales. And it was not really super recruity for me ever, one because it was so expensive to join, and two it was so much work that I would again, I think it's the ADHD. I would feel horrible if somebody like put everything in and was like this doesn't work for me. I'm like, yeah, no, it's a lot.
Yeah.
So I was always very open, like it's a lot, it costs a lot, it's a lot, it's super rewarding, but I am working all the time. Yeah.
And so eventually you had a team of seventy five under you and you'd made over sixty five thousand dollars just in bonuses.
Yeah, so what was jang?
Yeah? I mean right, did you notice a disparity initially between like what you were making and maybe like what the people under you were making.
You know, I think when you have questions like that before you really understand really what it truly is and how it truly works, the use of platitudinist buzzwords and bullshit and cliches like shut you up really quick. So I think anytime I saw any sort of disparit disparit like just like any kind of difference anywhere where I was like, oh, this person isn't well, you know, you work more hours than them, or they're only doing it part time, and there was always this sort of like okay, that makes sense or correct, Oh, well, you're a leader, so you should be doing more. And I never really looked into it deeper until I wasn't really like the middleman. Once I started realizing that, like I didn't have to go to my upline, because it was always like, well, I don't know, let me ask my upline. Once I was like, I can handle this because every time I asked them, they gave me some dumb answer that doesn't make any sense, and I have to go find the answer anyway. So I'm not even gonna bother. And that was near the end, was where people were like, hey, you know, I'm not sure if I should pay my mortgage or if I should buy more Lula Roe because what if I get really good stuff and I sell it all and then I could pay my mortgage and make money. And I was like, yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen. Wow, And I was just like, no, don't do that. And I do remember actively talking a couple of people out of it, because one I didn't think that the company was as popular as it had been the year earlier, and two, like I knew how much work. It was, and there were a couple of my friends who I'm like, I just don't think this is the right fit for you. I just don't think this is a good idea, and whether or not they joined, but I had to tell them that because I felt really bad about it. I started to notice things that were weird and coming from someone who had grown up with the very customer for like attitude about business and like making sure that the person that is shopping from you, whether it's your supplier or whether it's your customer, like making sure that relationship is good and honest. That's when I started to see a lot of differences because I was like, like, no, like that would never happen. Like you wouldn't treat a customer this way. You wouldn't tell somebody like it's their fault that their leggings are wet, or that they're like stink, or I'm like, it's not my fault. I didn't do anything like I shouldn't be getting this stuff. And it was those little things and not necessarily what I saw happening to my downline, but it was the way that lu Laue was acting on things that could be very easily fixed. Or like we're constantly having the same problem, Like I know how to solve it, but like nobody was willing to listen to the point where you're like, is it intentional that they don't know how to fix it? Like why wouldn't they fix it? It's always a problem.
And then would that be things like the smelly leggings.
No, it would be like.
Nelly legging gate will get into for sure, right, yeah.
And I think this is an MLM thing because I hear it so many times in other stories that people tell me like the website would crash every time, like it did not have enough bandwidth to sustain the amount of people purchasing during these launches. And I mean there were people that worked in it that were like, this is a really simple fix if you're just gonna have a ton of traffic for five hours, Like we can, I can help you, Like my husband does this, he builds systems like this, And it always went like completely ignored, and eventually you're like, I think it's intentional, Like I think they want us to create FOMO, to create the fear of not getting it, to not have it. If you can't get it, you can't sell it. If someone else gets it, then they're gonna sell it. You're gonna lose your customers to that person. You have to get some this really vicious cycle of fomo. That interest was wild to the point that, like p people were opening up credit cards to get orders just because you had to order a certain minimum and they couldn't afford to buy a box, so that they're well, I'm gonna get a credit card and then I can do And I was like, what are you doing. People would pair together and open like they would get orders together and they'd split between two or three four people just to guarantee that everybody got maybe five leggings. You know, I just I just want a few Halloween leggings to say I have Halloween leggings to get people to come to my party. Like it was really really wild, heartbreaking. Yeah, like you're like, there's you know, how many people want Halloween. Why aren't you making more Halloween? Like you know, we'll buy it. Why is there always scarcity? Why is there never enough? Is it intentional? Is it a mistake? Is it a scam? So many of these weird, like this isn't how a real business would handle this. So many of those for me. I eventually was just like, I don't think this is a business that cares about being a business anymore. Like it was just like, no, nothing else makes sense. I didn't know about the pyramid scheme, the cults, or like the control or anything until after I had stepped away and could see it on the outside looking in. While I was inside, I just knew this isn't a business like they're saying it is. But they're not doing anything to treat it like a business. Even though they're telling us that we need to treat it like a business, they're not treating it like a business.
It was very strange, right, Mike, And were you saying I was just gonna say I really liked that you said a little bit earlier that they always had answers for something, because I find myself in that pattern with people who are an MLM. Sometimes I'll try to branch a subject with them because I'll be worried about them and they're like, no, it's because of this, this and this, and it's actually going to turn into this.
This is just the thing that's in the meantime, and.
Like there's always an answer coming, or like it'll be in the future or a reason. So interesting, right, I mean that's true of future manipulative people and relationships and high control groups.
We always have an answer for everything. Don't question, don't doubt, it's your problem. Yeah, we like to Lulua like to say, assume innocence.
Stopping is still growing.
Wow, innocence, Assume innocence.
We would never do anything intentionally and sense wow. Like after I figured out what they were doing, I was like, soume Innocent's my ass dude, you.
Were like, put some pumpkins on some leggings and send me twenty thousand of them.
Shut up? It was wild.
Wow. I feel the need to say the word buttery because every time we talk about Lularo, everyone's like buttery, buttery, buttery leggings? Were they buttery?
When I think of buttery, I think of like a croissant, right, yeah, Like it's a little greasy. They weren't greasy. They were soft, really velvety, like micro velvety. I don't know. They have this machine that takes the fabric and just slightly damages it, just enough to make it fuzzy, and it's called it's like a brushing machine. And so that's what they would do is. They would take this fabric, it's called it y. It's like a really slinky, cool feeling fabric and it's like a Licra or whatever, and they'd put it on this machine and the machine would like brush it and rough just the top layer to create that soft texture. But then Luluo would flip it over and they would double brush it. So when they were using really really thick, nice quality in the very beginning, the double brushing wasn't a problem. But when they started buying the really cheap off the rack last season been sitting around too long fabric and they double brushed it. It created all these like micro holes that nobody really noticed until they put them on, and then it was like perforated. It was like and it would just rip like lines. Like I had somebody email me who was like, I bought these laggings. They literally got them yesterday. I wore them to work today. She was a middle school teacher. She said they were like her ass cheek was hanging out. She sent me a picture and I was like, oh my god, you.
Were like, but the print is so cute.
I was like, you have a free pair of leggings or twenty five dollars or whatever you want, like, just let me know. And by the end of the day, the other pant had all like her both cheeks were hanging out and she was like, thank goodness, I had like a long top over. She's like, but I'm a middle school teacher and my daughter's in middle school now, and I'm just like, oh my god, those kids are brutal. I feel it's extra bad. Now.
Yeah, she would have been a tech talk star for sure.
For sure. So product stars getting gross and crappy and stinks and it's wet for some reason. Do we know what was happened? Like why wet? Why was it wet?
Yeah? What gate? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, this we actually, oh my god. This is what's so cool about creating content. You guys create content, so you know, you say something, you put it out in the universe, and then someone that's listening knows the answer and they reach out to you and they say, I know why. So after Lulaich came out, the documentary that I did with Amazon, after Lula Rich came out, and people were talking because I say in the documentary I'm like dead fart leggings, and so many people are like, yes, why and then we started looking into it. Well, there's a couple of reasons why these leggings were so gross. Luluo was growing so unbelievably fast, they did not have the warehouse space. So they're ordering clothes and they're ordering product, but they don't have anywhere to put it, so they're storing it outside in these big metal containers that are called gaylords, like these big that you would see like stuffed animals in it, like the fair right, Like just these huge crates and they're filled with clothes and to keep them dry from the Southern California condensation, they just have blue tarps at the top of them. They're not secured. They're just in crinkle packages sitting out in the elements in southern California, in our wet mornings, in our in our dry days, and it's just like the moisture is getting into these packages because there's little tiny holes to breathe and then it's just like evaporating, falling and baking in, evaporating, falling and.
Baking in the whole day, over and over again.
So there were clothes that were mildewy, there were clothes that were stinky. There were clothes that were wet. I literally got stuff that I had to ring out in the sink, like water came out of it. I was like, what is happening. Lularoe told me it was FedEx's fault or ups or something that they must have left my box outside. But there was only like two things in the whole box that were wet. It was wild like, there was never Lularo's fault anything. So then, uh, we found out after Lula Rich came out where we had sort of exposed that everything had been outside and that's why the elements had gotten to them. That somebody was like, wait a second. I worked for this company for a couple months. Me and my boyfriend had this job. Than in the mornings when we would get to work, we would walk around to all the gay lords and we would have to fish out all the dead animals that had gotten s trapped overnight.
No.
I said what and they were like yeah, yeah yeah, And I was like, what about all the clothes. There's like we just had to if it was touching something, we had to throw that away. But other than that, so I'm just like, so there's literally dead animals sitting next to these clothes outside.
Sola just met in the head with her mic so shot that is.
So effing gross, and it was like their job.
She was like, yeah, that was my job. Me and my boyfriend did that for a while.
Wow, And I'm like wait what.
So then I was like, well, there we go. Because I also would say that the steak smelled like a dead rat pool party because it smelled like decay. But it also smelled like really chemically chlorine ammonia smell, so maybe that was the rats too. But yeah, there's just the things that come out when people start speaking out and the puzzle pieces that were like filled where I was like, oh that makes sense. Actually that's so crazy. You can't even write this stuff. It's like so ridiculous.
So you started feeling weird about the company. But it wasn't because of that, right, there was some other stuff that sort of made you start to question, well, it.
Was like my you know, I didn't think they were running like a business. Certain things like why would you tell me to hold on to my defects? Why wouldn't you just credit my account? Move on, like, tell me to throw them away if they're defective, tell me to donate it or destroy it, and move on. And then credit my account or send me like it was weird. So a lot of things, I'm like, this is not how a regular business would work as a hair stylist. If the shampoo that I'm using, like I don't like it. When the rep comes in and says, hey, is there anything the matter, I'm like, yeah, I didn't like the shampoo or whatever, They'll switch it out for something else, like no questions asked. Yeah, So the fact that I was getting so much pushback was really really weird. My uplines were being kind of weird, and I started asking questions. I would get like love bombs. I remember them like going, oh, do you want a cruise? Or do you want to do this? And trying to keep me a little bit longer. But I mean a squeaky wheel, you know, like you make a target on your back, and I had a target on my back, and I was asking too many questions and everything just seemed weird, Like it just I didn't like the way it was going. I didn't like the way that people were responding to my questions. And I remember talking to my upline and saying, I don't think this works for my family anymore. I don't like who I've become. I snap at my kids, like I don't make dinner anymore. I have no free time. There's no pockets in my day. We don't get to do anything fun anymore. It's just Lulu Row twenty for seven, and I don't think it works for me anymore. And I remember my upline was like, well, let's just give it three more months if you just stay till Christmas, like things are like so many things are happening, and it's again, it's like trying to get you to stay. And I just remember not wanting to stay, telling her what I needed to tell her to get off the phone, and then coming home and saying I quit and posting something and getting this message like fifteen minutes later that was like, how dare you do that to me? We promised, like you know, And now looking back, I know it's because, like me leaving affected her bottom line, right, me not making that money means she doesn't qualify I means she doesn't get her bonus check. And it was this domino effect to the point where I just stopped producing because they wouldn't let me leave until I affected enough people's paycheck that they were like, we have like a certified letter, but if you want to leave, we'll sign it, and you can sign it and you'll you'll be done with Lularoo forever. I was like, perfect, what I've been waiting for.
So you have like the people at the top obviously who create these companies, but then like in you know, just cults, I mean, you have these other people who are victims themselves, but they turn into like little mini cult leaders because then they're like, well, no, you can't do that. Here's what you need to do with your life. Here's because it affects them, and it affects how much money they make. It's so insidious. It turned like good people, you know. I mean, I don't know your upline, but I'm sure there were many uplines who were good people in their hearts who were engaging in bad behavior because that's kind of what this system was doing to people.
Absolutely, there's tons of great people and that was one of the best things about being in Little Rows. I met so many cool people, and that was also the worst thing about leaving. Yeah, as soon as I decided I was no longer I mean, excommunication is alive and well in multi level marketing. It just is if you leave for another company, you don't get as much hate. Interesting you'll get a lot of like passive aggressive snide, but you won't get as much hate as if you leave the industry entirely because now you're like you're a total hater. You're like yeah, like you're absolutely you're the bad guy.
And what does that mean? Like to people just like feel judged or like what what is it?
I think there's this really strange loyalty that comes with it, which is like the MLEM works because of the cult aspect. Because without the cult and without the control and the demand and everything, you wouldn't buy inventory you didn't need, you wouldn't go to conventions you couldn't afford, you wouldn't jump through hoops of people you don't care about. But because of that cult aspect, like you have that like, oh, I want to make these people happy and I want to do these things, and so you end up doing a lot of things that you maybe wouldn't necessarily do for a really long time. Yeah right, And you know I say that too, like in an MLM, you're a victim and a perpetrator because if you're the last one in, you're not going to make any money. And even though when you join and people are like, oh, you don't have to recruit and it's so easy and everybody loves it and you're going to get this great discount, you realize relatively quickly in once your warm market fizzles out within the first few months, that if you really want to maintain your discount and maintain your freebies and maintain your things, that you're going to have to pull a couple different strings that you didn't really expect to be pulling. And some people say, oh, yeah, okay, I'll get someone in. I understand how it works. I got to get I don't want to be the last one in. But right, you know, ninety nine point seven percent of people fail. Most people in an mL are the last ones in because nobody else is joining. And you have that perpetrator mentality that even if you don't get somebody in, if somebody doesn't sign that doesn't mean that you're not a perpetrator. It just means that you didn't successfully convince somebody to join. Right, But you can still be you know, nasty and gross. Well, yeah, without ever getting anybody.
To sign up, you're gonna, but I mean, you're also selling at this point in ideology, it's a family.
It's a whole thing.
Like growing up in the religion that I did, it was like get people to belong to it. That's an important part of You're the only Bible the world will ever read, and so bring people into this and then you're you're perpetrating abuse essentially by getting somebody to do it, but you're just doing.
It's so confusing.
It's like Lila and I get endless loops about this of like when becoming you know how, it's just it's like, uh, it's hard.
Yeah, there's also that this other interesting thing like and I don't this is just my opinion and what I've seen, But I feel like in an MLM sometimes there's a switch that you flip that's unflippable, that you really truly know what you're doing and how to do it, and you're like, we call them the mega hun, the person that's at the top of the pyramid, who's been at multiple pyramids, who knows how these work, who knows to get in early and all of that.
I was gonna ask you what a hun is in the first place, what's a hun, so I know what a mega hun is totally.
So a hun is a like not like gender neutral term that means anybody who's ever sold an MLM. Because we often use the phrase hey han, So anybody who's like sometimes people say oh, they're hey girlies or they're hay Huns. We just say han. It's just like very simple. So a hon is anybody past or present. I'll say that I'm an ex hun. And then if you're at the very variativity top of the pyramid, you know how the game is played. Oftentimes that's a mega hun. You'll see them jump from pyramid to speer maid. They'll get bridge contracts, which are just basically paychecks to help you recruit into your next pyramid. We've got hunbots, which are going to be those people who are all in and they copy and paste. Oftentimes they forget to remove the spot that says put their name here, so you're getting this like horrible copy and paste where you're like, oh my god, like you're sending it so fast and so robotically, like you're not even typing my name in the spot you're supposed to type my name into wow. And then a hunbro is just a guy that does this, who's sort of like a male version of like a hunbot. You're going to see them selling crypto insurance, like a lot of them are in Amlay, and so it's just they're just fun little names. Yeah, never meant to do anything other than just sort of poke fun at the phenomenon of the characters in these cults.
I love bro that's so good, so good.
Oh yeah, we've got some honebros. And we've got some Hunbots around there, and it's just it's a fun it's a fun language. Know, they can have their language. We can have our language too.
Right, right, So a mega hun you were telling us about mega huns.
Yeah, they can flip a switch, right, and then once that flip a switch, it doesn't really get flipped back and they just sort of become sometimes they'll end up in the corporate positions of MLMs, or they become coaches or something like that. And you just have to, I think, really really fundamentally understand what you're doing at that level to be able to have a churn rate and like a loss rate so high that you don't even bat an eye at it. Because seventy five was not a huge team in Little Row. I mean it's a big team, but it was not a huge team. And just the implication of how many people. I didn't even know all seventy five of those people because they were under people who were under people. But it's just the mega Huns. They have teams of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people. Wow, because they're just so high up and they just say whatever they need to say. They jumped from EMILYM to MLM And yeah, I think that's one of the only positions as opposed to like being incorporate and knowing how it works, right, is that unflippable switch.
Do you think you have to be a sociopath to be a mega Hunt?
I think it helps. It definitely helps. Yeah, Yeah, I think if you can do things to people and say things to people and have no remorse, it definitely helps, because even saying things. I remember, there's this one example, and this is such a minor thing, but I felt horrible. My sister had joined my team and she was complaining about the shipping times and we're here in southern California, so they really shouldn't have been that bad. And I just did like a video about this so they were like eleven days behind on shipping, which is kind of a lot. And my sister was just like, does anybody know what's going on with shipping? Like so innocuously, and my upline deleted it and messaged me and was like, can you talk to your sister about speaking so nega about the company in the open like Facebook group. I was like, what did she say? Oh my god, because I didn't see it. No.
Yeah, it was like she was asking about shipping times and I was just like, what, Like it's to not be able to bat an eye to be like, it's so necessary.
To be like how dare you speak disparagingly against our company and how fast they ship things? I'm I'm deleting that and I'm going to have somebody have a talking with you. Like it just was so weird, and I was like, so I just messeged her and I was like, hey, look, shippings really slow too, Like I don't know, I'll let you know if I get my package. Sorry, I don't know why that was deleted. That was weird, Like it was that sort of situation and that happens enough time that you're like, what am I involved in?
I feel so hady. Yeah, you're like so weird, You're seeing red flags. Everyone's mad at you on either side. You're like confused, and you're like whatever. It makes me like a little bit like it's really like the position you were in feels fair very stressful to me and my bomb.
Yeah, like the cognitive dissonance must have been very deep.
Yes, yeah, because I would ask questions right, but then it would be like, oh my god, that is such a good question. I don't personally know, but I bet you I can find someone who does, and I'm like, oh, that would be so helpful, thank you so much. And then it would be like hey, and then I'd get fun. Did you ever did you ever pick out the shoes that you were going to get? Because you got that, you know, and it was always like something else, like I remember they gave me shoes. They sent me on the cruise for free. I didn't even earn it. I got to go to like events that I wasn't officially like invited to because I hadn't hit certain levels. There was just like love bombing. They knew exactly what I wanted because I was treating this like a business and trying to be professional and responsible, and I just it wasn't any of those things.
I mean, do you think they were trying to buy your silence? I mean, is that? But what was the reasoning for that you think?
I think it was just sort of like a love bombing tactic, like maybe this will keep her happy and she won't ask questions, or maybe she just won't speak up as much if she's busy. I don't know, right, but it always there was always something, and you know, like you either just stop asking questions or you just fall into line. And I think the problem was a lot of the people on my team I knew personally, and when things started to happen to them and the families that I knew and cared about, like, I took it personally more as well, and so I was willing to look into it deeper, and I was willing to not let it go as like maybe a random stranger I'd be like, I don't know, Becky figured out I don't.
Yeah, you know, I.
Really took responsibility for these people, and because it costs so much and because there was so much, it really felt like a really big investment. And when people were not doing as well as I was, doing. I really genuinely felt that and was like, there's something wrong. And I remember even telling my sister. She was like, what's going on. I was like, I don't know, but it's weird and I'm leaving. And I thought like in this moment, like I am either going to lose my sister or like I'm not. And she was like, oh, okay, well, if you're leaving, I'm leaving. Like it was very much like, okay, well I guess I'm coming too, Like there was no question. She was like, if you if something's weird enough to you, like you know better than I do, tell me how to leave. I was like, okay, what it was?
What do you mean lose your sister?
Like do you think the thing could have been deep enough to like break your relationship?
Yes? Absolutely, it broke many people. Oh yeah, yeah, what do you Certain families were like torn apart, Like sisters then had teamed up together to be like a duo team. Jealousy ripped them apart and they no longer speak and they started their own teams and things like that.
That's all the time, so sad. Yeah, it's just some It's just some fucking leggings, you know, it's it's more than that though, It's.
Like, of course, of course, yeah, it's just I mean, they know how to tap into wanting to be your own boss and wanting to.
What wominism, female empowerment.
Dream like the fact that they convinced people that someone else making a different choice would have any should have anything to do with you when it's their own lives, you know. Like again, it's making all of these regular innocent people into like controllers. Which yeah, it's just it's really sad.
It's wild.
I was sometimes when I hear some of these stories, I'm like, parts of this sound like just incompetence, like just bad business men, you know what I mean, Like where is that line with this company? But maybe in general, like you know, the oh they grew too fast and they couldn't accommodate and they didn't know what they were doing, so the shipping was bad. You know, Like where do you think of that line being of the difference between incompetence and willful like malicious intent or something.
I mean, I definitely think there's a little bit of both. All of these companies are set up based on the legal statue of anway versus the FTC in nineteen seventy nine, which established that MLMs could be legal as long as they follow the Anway rules. And as soon as you learn the Anway rules, you realize that nobody's following the Anway rules. But there's like this self regulating board that says they are, and like, apparently we trust them, so everything's fine. Once MLMs realized that they could literally set up pyramid schemes as legal businesses, like you've got you've got snake oil salesmen and grifters just coming in. I mean a lot of these CEOs will go to prison for fraud and when they get out they start new MLM, right, and then people are like, have you heard about this new MLEM? And I was like, that's the guy that went to prison for fraud.
And I'm like, you're a hater, and I was like, no, it's not vitamins, Like yeah, yeah, yes, they're just vitamins.
They're one hundred dollars vitamins. Yeah, it's wild, right, it's it's so I think that there definitely is this like villainous, nefarious understanding that we are opening up a pyramid scheme and as long as we call it multi level marketing or direct sales or network marketing. And as long as we promise wink wink to abide by this set of rules that we will self regulate each other on wink wink, then it will be fine. So there's a lot of but if you if you ask them, they act like they're dumb, like they don't understand it. And I'm like, I don't understand how you can continue to set up legal pyramid schemes and not understand that what you're setting up for pyramid schemes, And so is it willful ignorance? I don't know. I feel like it's incompetence, like it's it's masking evil, like they're evil and then they pretend to be stupid. Oh does that make sense? But I mean it's they're legalized pyramid schemes. They are.
Why isn't there I mean, hopefully this isn't too much of a deviation from what we're talking about. But is there a movement to have those not be self regulated and have like outside regulation?
Yeah?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always. I work with like a coalition of a bunch of people. There's a couple of US activists who are creating content and talking to victims on the daily. There are former lawyers who have prosecuted multi level marketing. There are representatives for other consumer protection agencies that are in this group. We meet once a month. We have a conference that we do once a year. Is actually coming up in May. We go to DC and have this conference and meet with people in the government and just try to show them our side and just say, look, we're not saying cancel it. We're saying make it safer for consumers. We're saying, let's have a rule here, let's maybe have a waiting period, Let's be a little more transparent with what people are getting into. Right and MLM. They have this lobby called the DSA. They've got offices on K Street, just like all the other lobbies. They're one hundred and ninety billion dollars a year industry and they lobby themselves out of everything.
There's this they're called the DSA, not to be confused with Democratic Socialists of America.
Right, the Direct Sellers Association. And yeah, there's like some there's something right now that that's going around that that they're trying to get out of. They're trying to be classified. It's a it's a labor law, and they're trying to get them and real estate agents like they're coming on the piggyback of real estate agents in this new gig economy, trying to classify everybody else has employees, but real estate agents and MLM they're contractors. So they don't deserve rights, they don't deserve breaks, they don't deserve deserve anything. So that's really what's happening right now is they are trying to legislate themselves out of that rule, because if they're part of that rule, it's a lot harder to quote self regulate if you know what I.
Mean, Oh my gosh, crazy.
It's wild. It's wild, and people don't like people don't know. They'll say things like, I don't know why you have to be so upset, it's just lipstick. Or can't people just like open fizzy jewelry on TikTok if they want to? And I was like sure, But like if I told you that in out of these hundred fizzy bombs, only one of them had jewelry and every single one of them was a bomb, would you still be so excited to open them live on take day right? Or would you be a little more cautious because it has a ninety nine percent fail rate. The first it's worse than gambling.
It is worse than gambling.
The first time I ever saw this and understood was that show The United States of Tara.
Did you guys ever watch it? So I watched a little bit of her.
Sister is just like what am I going to do with all of these vitamins? Or like she had ordered all of this stuff and she's just like losing her mind and she's just like what am I going to do? And I was just like, oh shit, Like it humanized it for me in a way that like it, I don't know, everything just needs to be put into stories so that people can like understand it.
Yeah, I did not finish watching the show, but How to Become a God or No On Becoming a God in Central Florida, it was sort of my version.
So good, so good that one's about amway allegedly and it's so good. We watched that in my discord, and one of the things I think that all of us were talking about was just how accurate the dialogue was, and like the beef between characters and like the way that weird things. I was like that's so accurate. That's so funny, and people outside would be like, why are they acting like this. I'm like, no, no, no, that's actually very.
Rare because I actually have culty lingo, almost.
Super culty, just culty behaviors like in Amway, Like in regular emlms, you're gonna have teams, but in Amway they call them LA's. They stand for lines of affiliation, and they are like old. It's like skull and bo society kind of oh wow, like back from the days of Amway. And when you join in LA, you're selling Amway, but you're buying your education, your tools and everything like how to run your business through your line of affiliation. And if you're in one affiliation, you might like read a certain amount of books or do a certain thing a certain way, but in a different line of affiliation you might do it a different way entirely. So in On Becoming a God in Central Florida, they've got the guy Cody, who's like the main guy. He is following the garbou system, so he's in the Garbeauloa Wow. But he keeps meeting up that other guy at the diner and they always have this weird beef. That guy is in a different loa, so they both sell the same MLM. You'd think they'd be friends, but they're on different tools systems, and so they're enemies and they just have this weird beef throughout the whole series where they're just like pranking each other just to be like, yeah, Garbo systems better, bitch. Like it's just I'm so dumb, but it's so real and it was really funny from any anybody that understands like how it works. Like, just watching it, I was like, Oh, oh, that's the guy from the other This is hilarious.
That's so funny. Wait, I feel my friend might view one of those guys. He plays Pat Stanley. Do you remember which character.
That might be?
The guy? Josh Fatum shout out, very funny actor cast him and everything. Uh, yeah, you're You're so right, Megan, Like, there's there's so much stuff like that where we just like wouldn't be able to connect to what it really means without say.
I'm like, I like ordering my blank and Blank eye lash serum from Blank and Blank Company because I feel like it.
Works the best and what's wrong with that?
And then I saw it and.
Was like, oh, because people are ruining their lives probably right, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's it really sounds like the the analogy you made early, not analogy the story you mentioned earlier of a woman who I mean, I presume it was a woman who is like should I pay my house payment or pay for this and I could make more money. It made it so clear for me, the gambling connection, and it almost almost sounds like an addiction, like it's just so unhealthy, it's just all all of this is just it's like it feels compulsive almost absolutely.
It was strange. And then there's also this connection like me as somebody who is neurodivergent and has ADHD and has been diagnosed as ADHD. Uh, that's a dopamine deficiency. So my entire life always looking for my next h dopamine. And then here comes Lula Row and every week I'm ordering a box of dopamine being delivered on my front porch every single week. Now I'm ordering two boxes. It's coming every three days. Oh my gosh, look at all this dopamine. Oh I just sold the leggings dopamine, sold a shirt dopamine. There's a convention coming up dopamine. So I stayed in just because it fueled what I needed. My brain was like, we crave this, we don't have this, we need this, and I it was an addiction. I couldn't get away from it. And it was my own body, it was my own chemicals, and like my body and my mind like betraying me because Lula Roe's using these bright colors and you know, you go to a convention, it's like being in a troll party. It's like being like in the movie Trolls with all the glitter and all the things, and you're just like, this is the best thing I've ever experienced. Let's have more of this, right, And it's just like dopamine dope, and dopamine dope me like going into a casino and hearing the bells and the whistles and the jingle jangle of all the things. It's just it's it's put you there and it just it's exciting. And we just got addicted. It was so addicted. And you're just addicted to selling and you're addicted to buying, but you're not addicted to making a profit and law statement or checking in to make sure that you're not spending too much or looking at your inventory and going, oh my god, like you're just you're working towards these goals that that they're not. They just they keep moving. It's this golden carrot on a stick that's just always right in front of you, and you might get something, but as soon as you get something like, oh did you see that next golden carrot, I was like, what, there's.
More sparically golden carrots. Yeah, they're always just moving.
That gold post is crazy, absolutely, I mean yeah, and it's like I already have five golden carrots, so I know I can get another one. Because every now and then they do throw you a little bit of proof that it works. You would stay a long.
Yeah, the golden carrots, even when we get them, they don't fulfill its. Yeah, they don't.
The golden carrot was like five good prints in a box of forty bad prints. You're like, oh my god, I can sell this.
Right, Okay. And that concludes Part one. Stay tuned next week for part two, where.
We get all into that family, that hazy, crazy family.
Yes, and I like how she described the world as a jelly bean world. We'll talk more about the jelly bean world next week. But Megan, I was wondering, do you think you would sell Lulaoe?
Interesting?
I mean, I did get hit up to buy some of it, and I think even somebody said they liked selling it. But I'm not good at selling things, or organizing things, or even ordering things. So no, I don't think that I would. But if I were good at those things and I was getting thousands upon thousands of dollars in free vacations and all of these fun new friends, I'd be a hook line and sinker.
Sure.
Yeah, I think I also would have a hard time selling things. I feel like I'm better at selling like other people like being like this person's great, they have something awesome. But if it's like I have this product, isn't it wonderful? I'm like, I'm having to force myself to learn how to promote better because I just am not good at it, and especially like I even opened up an online shop, we're terrible at it. We don't even tell people we have merch. I know suck's selling. I know, by the way is l y slash trust me merg.
It's so cute.
Yeah, But like I love organizing and like creating projects and stuff, but selling is like so not my strong suit. If I'm supposed to like talk about something in a way that makes whatever my thing is sound cool, I just like clam up and get uncomfortable.
Yeah, it's a skill set, and I can see how if you were good at it, you could not even realize you were using it in a bad way until you were pretty deep in totally. But we'll talk more about it all next week. We can't wait for you to join us. Then, thank you for listening today. Rad Us five stars if you haven't already, and as always, remember to follow your gut, watch out for red flags, and never ever.
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