What started as a typical sleepover in Wisconsin in 2014 turned into one of the most chilling true crime stories in America.

Twelve-year-olds Morgan Geyser and Anissa Weier lured their friend, Payton "Bella" Leutner, into the woods with a plan to kill her as a sacrifice to Slender Man, the creepy internet figure.

Both girls were charged as adults in a case that stunned the world.

Now, with Morgan’s 2025 release from psychiatric care, the case is back in the spotlight, except this time we’re having conversations the media steered clear of at the beginning.

Why did this happen? How did this happen? And what was going on mentally and psychologically for those two little girls?

You can read Kathleen's book Slenderman: A Tragic Story of Online Obsession and Mental Illnesshere.

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What started as a typical sleepover in Wisconsin in 2014 turned into one of the most chilling true crime stories in America. Twelve-year-olds Morgan Geyser and Anissa Weier lured their friend, Payton "Bella" Leutner, into the woods with a plan to kill her as a sacrifice to Slender Man, the creepy internet figure. Both girls were charged as adults in a case that stunned the world. Now, with Morgan&rsquo;s 2025 release from psychiatric care, the case is back in the spotlight, except this time we&rsquo;re having conversations the media steered clear of at the beginning. Why did this happen? How did this happen? And what was going on mentally and psychologically for those two little girls?
You can read Kathleen's book Slenderman: A Tragic Story of Online Obsession and Mental Illness <a href="https://www.penguin.com.au/books/slenderman-9781529102550">here.</a>
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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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