For years Jason lived a double life as an undercover police officer, working inside the criminal underworld. No two jobs were the same, and the danger was always there.

The toll of that work didn’t end when he left the force. In this episode, Jason takes Gemma inside his undercover life and how it impacted his real life. He explains why he believes he’d be a better police officer now, because he understands how the job affected him.

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For years Jason lived a double life as an undercover police officer, working inside the criminal underworld. No two jobs were the same, and the danger was always there.
The toll of that work didn&rsquo;t end when he left the force. In this episode, Jason takes Gemma inside his undercover life and how it impacted his real life. He explains why he believes he&rsquo;d be a better police officer now, because he understands how the job affected him.
<a href="https://fave.co/3UCus8C">Purchase Jason&rsquo;s book Undercurrent: The Hidden Cost of Going Undercover here.</a>
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Why Good Undercover Cops Think Like Psychopaths

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In July 2026, Anastasia Treharne sat in a Sydney courtroom waiting to hear her rapist’s sentence. She had been through a gruelling trial and cross-examined at length, and a jury had found him guilty. The maximum penalty was 14 years in prison.

Instead, he was given a three-year community corrections order and 100 hours of community service. He won’t spend a single night behind bars.

It wasn’t the first time Anastasia had faced the court system. She was also sexually assaulted at 16, and the two cases played out in very different ways.

In this episode, Anastasia tells Gemma about both experiences, from her first assault as a teenager to the sentence she believes is grossly inadequate. She also explains why she refuses to go quietly, and how she is fighting to make sure no one else is let down the way she was.

Visit The Echo Campaign's website here.

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Guests: Anastasia Treharne 

Produced by Ella Maitland

Video Editor: Lisa Chen

Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.

In July 2026, Anastasia Treharne sat in a Sydney courtroom waiting to hear her rapist&rsquo;s sentence. She had been through a gruelling trial and cross-examined at length, and a jury had found him guilty. The maximum penalty was 14 years in prison.
Instead, he was given a three-year community corrections order and 100 hours of community service. He won&rsquo;t spend a single night behind bars.
It wasn&rsquo;t the first time Anastasia had faced the court system. She was also sexually assaulted at 16, and the two cases played out in very different ways.
In this episode, Anastasia tells Gemma about both experiences, from her first assault as a teenager to the sentence she believes is grossly inadequate. She also explains why she refuses to go quietly, and how she is fighting to make sure no one else is let down the way she was.
<a href="https://www.theechocampaign.org/">Visit The Echo Campaign's website here.</a>
GET IN TOUCH
Follow us on Instagram and TikTok&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/truecrimeconversations/?hl=en">@truecrimeconversations</a>
Want us to cover a case on the podcast? Email us at&nbsp;<a href="mailto:truecrime@mamamia.com.au">truecrime@mamamia.com.au</a>&nbsp;or <a href="https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960">send us a voice note.</a>
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Produced by Ella Maitland
Video Editor: Lisa Chen
Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Anastasia Was Left Unable To Sit. Her Attacker Didn’t Spend A Single Night In A Cell.

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In 2008, Kristi McVee was a new mum flicking through the newspaper when a WA Police recruitment ad caught her eye. Less than two years later, she was sworn in as a police officer.

Kristi went on to build a career catching child abuse predators, interviewing child victims and putting their abusers behind bars. But one question kept coming back to her: how do you protect these kids before the harm happens?

After a decade in the force, she left to focus on prevention education. Now she has dedicated herself to giving parents and caregivers the conversations, tips and advice she believes will help keep children safe.

Visit Kristi's website here.

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Want us to cover a case on the podcast? Email us at truecrime@mamamia.com.au or send us a voice note.

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Make sure to leave us a rating and review on Apple & Spotify to let us know how you're liking the episodes. 

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Host & Executive Producer: Gemma Bath

Guests: Kristi McVee

Produced by Ella Maitland

Video Editor: Lisa Chen

Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.

In 2008, Kristi McVee was a new mum flicking through the newspaper when a WA Police recruitment ad caught her eye. Less than two years later, she was sworn in as a police officer.
Kristi went on to build a career catching child abuse predators, interviewing child victims and putting their abusers behind bars. But one question kept coming back to her: how do you protect these kids before the harm happens?
After a decade in the force, she left to focus on prevention education. Now she has dedicated herself to giving parents and caregivers the conversations, tips and advice she believes will help keep children safe.
<a href="https://www.kristimcvee.com/">Visit Kristi's website here.</a>
GET IN TOUCH
Follow us on Instagram and TikTok&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/truecrimeconversations/?hl=en">@truecrimeconversations</a>
Want us to cover a case on the podcast? Email us at&nbsp;<a href="mailto:truecrime@mamamia.com.au">truecrime@mamamia.com.au</a>&nbsp;or <a href="https://help.mamamia.com.au/en-US/send-a-podcast-voice-note-467960">send us a voice note.</a>
MAMAMIA OFFERS:
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<li>Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We&rsquo;ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to<a href="http://veryperi.com.au/"> veryperi.com.au</a> today. You hot? Same.</li>
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Make sure to leave us a rating and review on Apple &amp; Spotify to let us know how you're liking the episodes.&nbsp;
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Host &amp; Executive Producer: Gemma Bath
Guests: Kristi McVee
Produced by Ella Maitland
Video Editor: Lisa Chen
Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Kristi Locked Up Paedophiles For 10 Years. This Is What She Learnt.

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In October 2003, newlyweds Gabe and Tina Watson travelled from Alabama to Australia’s Great Barrier Reef for their dream honeymoon. Just 11 days after their wedding, the couple prepared to dive the SS Yongala shipwreck, one of the world’s most famous dive sites. But within minutes of entering the water, Tina was pulled to the surface unconscious. Despite desperate attempts to save her, she could not be revived.

What began as a heartbreaking accident soon raised chilling questions. Why were Gabe’s stories inconsistent? And what really happened underwater that day?

In this episode, host Gemma Bath speaks with journalist and author Lindsay Simpson, co-author of Honeymoon Dive, to explore a case that captivated the world and still divides opinion more than 20 years on. You can find the book here. 

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Host: Gemma Bath

Senior Producer: Tahli Blackman

Audio Producer: Jacob Round

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In October 2003, newlyweds Gabe and Tina Watson travelled from Alabama to Australia&rsquo;s Great Barrier Reef for their dream honeymoon. Just 11 days after their wedding, the couple prepared to dive the SS Yongala shipwreck, one of the world&rsquo;s most famous dive sites. But within minutes of entering the water, Tina was pulled to the surface unconscious. Despite desperate attempts to save her, she could not be revived.
What began as a heartbreaking accident soon raised chilling questions. Why were Gabe&rsquo;s stories inconsistent? And what really happened underwater that day?
In this episode,&nbsp;host Gemma Bath speaks with journalist and author Lindsay Simpson, co-author of Honeymoon Dive, to explore a case that captivated the world and still divides opinion more than 20 years on. You can find the <a href="https://www.amazon.com.au/Honeymoon-Dive-Jennifer-Cooke-ebook/dp/B0041KLBP8">book here</a>.&nbsp;
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If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on <a href="tel:1300 22 4636">1300 22 4636</a>.
Make sure to leave us a rating and review on Apple &amp; Spotify to let us know how you're liking the episodes.&nbsp;
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Host: Gemma Bath
Senior Producer:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tahli-blackman-205a891b7/?originalSubdomain=au">Tahli Blackman</a>
Audio Producer: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacobroundsound/?originalSubdomain=au">Jacob Round</a>
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We acknowledge the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

The Honeymoon Drowning That Turned A Groom Into A Murder Suspect [re-release] 

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