Karen Bell met Gary Poxon in 1993. She was 17, he was 29. 

By 2008, the pair were living in an isolated farmhouse in Pericoe with their three children - Maddie, Jack and Bon. Their 15 year long relationship was filled with emotional and physical abuse, with multiple AVOs taken out against Gary to protect Karen. He faced charges more than once for assaulting her, but he'd never once hurt their kids. 

They were his trump card. Every time Karen tried to leave Gary he would withhold them. 'You can go,' he would tell her, 'but the kids stay with me.' It was an impossible position.

Eventually Karen fled, fearing for her life if she stayed. It would be the last time she ever saw her children alive.

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Guest: Megan Norris

You can find out more details about her book Look What You Made Me Do here.

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Karen Bell met Gary Poxon in 1993. She was 17, he was 29. 
By 2008, the pair were living in an isolated farmhouse in Pericoe with their three children - Maddie, Jack and Bon. Their 15 year long relationship was filled with emotional and physical abuse, with multiple AVOs taken out against Gary to protect Karen. He faced charges more than once for assaulting her, but he'd never once hurt their kids. 
They were his trump card. Every time Karen tried to leave Gary he would withhold them. 'You can go,' he would tell her, 'but the kids stay with me.' It was an impossible position.
Eventually Karen fled, fearing for her life if she stayed. It would be the last time she ever saw her children alive.
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Karen Bell Escaped Her Husband, But She Couldn’t Save Her Children

This month, we’re doing things differently. Over the next few weeks well be revisiting stories from our archives to highlight crimes involving male violence against women in Australia because right now the rate at which we are losing women is alarming and terrifying. 

But first, we wanted to talk to someone who lives and breathes violence against women every single day. 

Sherele Moody is a journalist and the founder of The Red Heart Campaign and the Australian Femicide Watch. She has created a moving and chilling memorial online, that tracks every known Australian woman and child killed as a result of murder, manslaughter or neglect from white settlement to now. 

Sherele joins us to discuss her work and what we can actually do to see change.

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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

This month, we’re doing things differently. Over the next few weeks well be revisiting stories from our archives to highlight crimes involving male violence against women in Australia because right now the rate at which we are losing women is alarming and terrifying. 
But first, we wanted to talk to someone who lives and breathes violence against women every single day. 
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/sherelemoodyfemicidewatch/?hl=en">Sherele Moody</a> is a journalist and the founder of <a href="https://australianfemicidewatch.org/about/">The Red Heart Campaign</a> and the Australian Femicide Watch. She has created a moving and chilling memorial online, that tracks every known Australian woman and child killed as a result of murder, manslaughter or neglect from white settlement to now. 
Sherele joins us to discuss her work and what we can actually do to see change.
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Guest: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/sherelemoodyfemicidewatch/?hl=en">Sherele Moody</a>
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The Woman Counting Australia’s Murdered Women

In May 1999, two detectives followed a trail of suspicious missing persons cases to an old, red-brick bank in Snowtown, South Australia. 

As they head inside, they head straight for the bank’s vault where they find six large plastic barrels containing human remains. They also find handcuffs, knives, a saw, boxes of disposable gloves and bottles of hydrochloric acid. 

They’d come to realise they'd found the dumping grounds of Australia’s worst serial killings, crimes that would see four men sent to prison with lengthy sentences. 

But now, 2 years later, two of these men could soon be eligible for release.

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Guest: Jeremy Pudney

You can find more info about his book Snowtown: The Bodies in Barrels Murders here.

Host: Gemma Bath

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Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

The story is not the first time we've covered the Snowtown Murders. Hear our past episode with Debi Marshall here.

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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

In May 1999, two detectives followed a trail of suspicious missing persons cases to an old, red-brick bank in Snowtown, South Australia. 
As they head inside, they head straight for the bank’s vault where they find six large plastic barrels containing human remains. They also find handcuffs, knives, a saw, boxes of disposable gloves and bottles of hydrochloric acid. 
They’d come to realise they'd found the dumping grounds of Australia’s worst serial killings, crimes that would see four men sent to prison with lengthy sentences. 
But now, 2 years later, two of these men could soon be eligible for release.
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Guest: Jeremy Pudney
You can find more info about his book Snowtown: The Bodies in Barrels Murders <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/sa/podcast/the-story-behind-snowtown/id1469153910?i=1000513440182">here</a>.
Host: Gemma Bath
Executive Producer: Gia Moylan
Audio Producer: Scott Stronach
The story is not the first time we've covered the Snowtown Murders. Hear our past episode with Debi Marshall <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/sa/podcast/the-story-behind-snowtown/id1469153910?i=1000513440182">here</a>.
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The News Snowtown Victims Families Have Been Dreading

In May 2016, police arrived at a farmhouse in Hillier, north of Adelaide. The scene that awaited them was horrifying beyond words. 

Stephen Graham Peet had just murdered three people. The bodies of his girlfriend, Adeline Yvette Rigney-Wilson, and her two young children were inside. 

But as his crimes unravelled in court, something became clear. Those two little kids shouldn’t have died. Their deaths, at least, were preventable. It was a series of failures from government agencies designed to protect them that actually, left them in the path of a killer.

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Guest: Sean Fewster

You can listen to his podcast Just Lawful here.

Host: Gemma Bath

Executive Producer: Gia Moylan

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The story is not the first time we've covered systemic failures within domestic violence cases. If you found this episode interesting you might like to listen to one of these next:
The System That Failed Hannah Clarke
Six Deaths. One Uncomfortable Truth

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If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

In May 2016, police arrived at a farmhouse in Hillier, north of Adelaide. The scene that awaited them was horrifying beyond words. 
Stephen Graham Peet had just murdered three people. The bodies of his girlfriend, Adeline Yvette Rigney-Wilson, and her two young children were inside. 
But as his crimes unravelled in court, something became clear. Those two little kids shouldn’t have died. Their deaths, at least, were preventable. It was a series of failures from government agencies designed to protect them that actually, left them in the path of a killer.
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Guest: Sean Fewster
You can listen to his podcast Just Lawful <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/006-just-lawful-s01e06-hillier-triple-murders-pt-1/id1561705332?i=1000519767686">here</a>.
Host: Gemma Bath
Executive Producer: Gia Moylan
Audio Producer: Scott Stronach
The story is not the first time we've covered systemic failures within domestic violence cases. If you found this episode interesting you might like to listen to one of these next:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-system-that-failed-hannah-clarke/id1469153910?i=1000556452765">The System That Failed Hannah Clarke</a></li>
<li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/six-deaths-one-uncomfortable-truth/id1469153910?i=1000632626443">Six Deaths. One Uncomfortable Truth</a></li>
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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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