What do you do when the person you're obsessed with becomes a person you completely disagree with? Comedian and DJ Andy McClelland and I get a little serious around idols, immigration, bullying, veganism, and whether you can separate art from its maker.

What do you do when the person you're obsessed with becomes a person you completely disagree with? Comedian and DJ Andy McClelland and I get a little serious around idols, immigration, bullying, veganism, and whether you can separate art from its maker.

Dan Debuf (Dan and Maz, The Bachelor Unpacked, Lords of Luxury) has realised that creative and interesting people have creative and interested brains that are easily obsessed. They're dying to talk about their latest or lifelong obsessions, if only someone would ask... well, he's asking!

Artwork by Dave Ferrier and Jo Cutri. Music by Caleb Garfinkel.

Talking to interesting people about that interesting thing that interests them

Totally Obsessed with Dan Debuf

17. Andrew McClelland - Morrissey

Actor, performer, puppeteer, podcaster and obsessive internet family-watcher Amberly Cull - from the podcast Something Amazing - joins me to confess to her family watching. Shows like "19 Kids and Counting" and YouTube #vanlife families have obsessed her for much longer than I anticipated, and she explains why. Gimme that Christian side hug!

Actor, performer, puppeteer, podcaster and obsessive internet family-watcher Amberly Cull - from the podcast Something Amazing - joins me to confess to her family watching. Shows like "19 Kids and Counting" and YouTube #vanlife families have obsessed her for much longer than I anticipated, and she explains why. Gimme that Christian side hug!

37. Amberly Cull - "Large Cultish Families on the Internet"

Comedian, journalist and satirist Dan Ilic performed in his high school musical "Chess" and instantly developed a love for the two things involved - performing, and global politics (I forgot to ask him if he developed a love of actual chess). We discuss the geopolitical ABBA-written love story that is Chess The Musical, what it's like to write a musical, and all sorts of other creative and exciting things.

Comedian, journalist and satirist Dan Ilic performed in his high school musical "Chess" and instantly developed a love for the two things involved - performing, and global politics (I forgot to ask him if he developed a love of actual chess). We discuss the geopolitical ABBA-written love story that is Chess The Musical, what it's like to write a musical, and all sorts of other creative and exciting things.

36. Dan Ilic - Chess: The Musical

Back for the post Henry VIII drama, Greta Lee Jackson continues the story of the Tudors and gives us some book recommendations. Also includes Dan bragging about how this very podcast got him some trivia night glory.

Back for the post Henry VIII drama, Greta Lee Jackson continues the story of the Tudors and gives us some book recommendations. Also includes Dan bragging about how this very podcast got him some trivia night glory.

17. Andrew McClelland - Morrissey

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