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Warning, the following episode contains explicit language and sexual themes. Listener discretion is advised.

My test, Mike test cool, Yeah, good, Yeah, we're okay. I never said this to anymore. Every woman can seduce a man, and it doesn't matter how does she look. It's all about your skills, what do you say, how do you touch, and how you're good and sex. That's it. The most important thing. Not to give him everything at the same moment, so you cannot go to bed and slippit him at the first day, unless it's a special mission where you have to kill your target.

My test, Mike test cool, Yeah, good, Yeah, we're okay. I never said this to anymore. Every woman can seduce a man, and it doesn't matter how does she look. It's all about your skills, what do you say, how do you touch, and how you're good and sex. That's it. The most important thing. Not to give him everything at the same moment, so you cannot go to bed and slippit him at the first day, unless it's a special mission where you have to kill your target.

Some spies use poisons, others use guns. But for Lea Rosa, who's sitting in front of me right now, her body is made into a weapon by the Russian military her mission to seduce powerful men for their secrets or sometimes their lives. This type of intelligence work is known as sex bionage, and it's much more dangerous than you think.

Some spies use poisons, others use guns. But for Lea Rosa, who's sitting in front of me right now, her body is made into a weapon by the Russian military her mission to seduce powerful men for their secrets or sometimes their lives. This type of intelligence work is known as sex bionage, and it's much more dangerous than you think.

What is sexpionage? Actually? These sex becomes like a drug, and your target becomes like drug addicted. When a drug dealer wants to put someone on the needle, he gives a little bit. He doesn't give straight away everything. So the same way you do. You give a little bit sex, you give a little bit taste, and you tease, you tease till you make sure that your target becomes addicted to you because you put so many anchors around him and his brain in his body. Basically the body gets used to you, so he physically cannot be with someone else.

What is sexpionage? Actually? These sex becomes like a drug, and your target becomes like drug addicted. When a drug dealer wants to put someone on the needle, he gives a little bit. He doesn't give straight away everything. So the same way you do. You give a little bit sex, you give a little bit taste, and you tease, you tease till you make sure that your target becomes addicted to you because you put so many anchors around him and his brain in his body. Basically the body gets used to you, so he physically cannot be with someone else.

To really sorry.

To really sorry.

Episode one, chapter one, the meeting. Our story begins with the mafia.

Episode one, chapter one, the meeting. Our story begins with the mafia.

I call from a mafia family.

I call from a mafia family.

It's a real mafia family.

It's a real mafia family.

I mean, not like some of the people that you.

I mean, not like some of the people that you.

You know that will be say I'm connected in all that. My father actually did go before Robert Kennedy and McClelland and the interview you're listening to me many years ago, speaking with Johnny Fratto, also known as the Beverly Hills Gangster. His father worked under al Capone and his brother was killed in the tragic plane crash that also took the life of boxer Rocky Marciano. I have a question about the mom, has it changed, right?

You know that will be say I'm connected in all that. My father actually did go before Robert Kennedy and McClelland and the interview you're listening to me many years ago, speaking with Johnny Fratto, also known as the Beverly Hills Gangster. His father worked under al Capone and his brother was killed in the tragic plane crash that also took the life of boxer Rocky Marciano. I have a question about the mom, has it changed, right?

That's all movies.

That's all movies.

It doesn't exist, never did.

It doesn't exist, never did.

I was publishing a book with Johnny about his colorful and controversial life. We'd get together and he'd tell stories for hours.

I was publishing a book with Johnny about his colorful and controversial life. We'd get together and he'd tell stories for hours.

I could judge.

I could judge.

I don't belong in here.

I don't belong in here.

I'm twenty four years old.

I'm twenty four years old.

My wife is now pregnant with my son, Johnny. I don't belong with him.

My wife is now pregnant with my son, Johnny. I don't belong with him.

After Fratto moved to Los Angeles, he set his sites more on fame than racketeering, and unexpectedly became a recurring guest on The Howard Stern Show. The son he just mentioned grew up and wanted to leave the family business and get into the film business.

After Fratto moved to Los Angeles, he set his sites more on fame than racketeering, and unexpectedly became a recurring guest on The Howard Stern Show. The son he just mentioned grew up and wanted to leave the family business and get into the film business.

This is Johnny.

This is Johnny.

Introducing his son, Johnny Junior, to stan Lee, the legendary Marvel Comics writer. My sight, he thinks he can you write a movie.

Introducing his son, Johnny Junior, to stan Lee, the legendary Marvel Comics writer. My sight, he thinks he can you write a movie.

Everybody who's written his first movie has never written a movie before, and why couldn't he.

Everybody who's written his first movie has never written a movie before, and why couldn't he.

Do it right? At least as I look like a writer, I look like one.

Do it right? At least as I look like a writer, I look like one.

Of the foudios as.

Of the foudios as.

Not long after this, Johnny Fratto died of lung cancer at the age of sixty one. I didn't talk to his son, Johnny Junior much after that. But one afternoon, after years of silence, he called with an incredible story.

Not long after this, Johnny Fratto died of lung cancer at the age of sixty one. I didn't talk to his son, Johnny Junior much after that. But one afternoon, after years of silence, he called with an incredible story.

So I have got a weird thing, like it's gonna sound fucking strange to you, and I don't even really know how to catch this to you.

So I have got a weird thing, like it's gonna sound fucking strange to you, and I don't even really know how to catch this to you.

Where where do I begin? Because you wrote the book The Game. I met this girl.

Where where do I begin? Because you wrote the book The Game. I met this girl.

That basically says she knows how to seduce men, pick up men, do whatever, you know, Like basically, she can own any man in two fucking seconds.

That basically says she knows how to seduce men, pick up men, do whatever, you know, Like basically, she can own any man in two fucking seconds.

What Johnny's referring to here is an infamous book I wrote over a decade ago. Two years I spent undercover in a secret society of pickup artists.

What Johnny's referring to here is an infamous book I wrote over a decade ago. Two years I spent undercover in a secret society of pickup artists.

And here's the crazy par She says she was a Russian spy at one time. I mean, it's the craziest she ever heard. She told me that there's like a school that she had to attend in Russia where she had to like literally like have sex with her teachers in front of the class, and have sex with different relationship from the class, and learn how to give perfect blow jobs.

And here's the crazy par She says she was a Russian spy at one time. I mean, it's the craziest she ever heard. She told me that there's like a school that she had to attend in Russia where she had to like literally like have sex with her teachers in front of the class, and have sex with different relationship from the class, and learn how to give perfect blow jobs.

And I'm sitting here, I've literally never heard of anything like this, and frankly found it hard to believe. I'm sure the crude way Johnny Junior was speaking about it wasn't helping any She was trained by the like Russian government to seduce men and like get their secrets or whatever.

And I'm sitting here, I've literally never heard of anything like this, and frankly found it hard to believe. I'm sure the crude way Johnny Junior was speaking about it wasn't helping any She was trained by the like Russian government to seduce men and like get their secrets or whatever.

Yeah, she was trained by Russia. She says to uh, you know, fucking give the perfect blowjob to fuck a guy perfectly. And I kind of believe her, man, I mean, I really do think she's telling the truth. And it's a little weird, but I thought, you know, if there's any one guy in the fucking world that it would be up hiss aally it's you.

Yeah, she was trained by Russia. She says to uh, you know, fucking give the perfect blowjob to fuck a guy perfectly. And I kind of believe her, man, I mean, I really do think she's telling the truth. And it's a little weird, but I thought, you know, if there's any one guy in the fucking world that it would be up hiss aally it's you.

And can I asksk the obvious question, which is how did you meet her?

And can I asksk the obvious question, which is how did you meet her?

I met her through an Armdian guy named Art, and Art's adapper, probably the most dapper little guy I've ever met. And he said, you know, Johnny, there's somebody that you got to meet. You got to come over here.

I met her through an Armdian guy named Art, and Art's adapper, probably the most dapper little guy I've ever met. And he said, you know, Johnny, there's somebody that you got to meet. You got to come over here.

It's very special.

It's very special.

I said, Okay, well what is it? So I get there. He introduces me. Obviously, she's beautiful, I mean, like she says, she was trained to go in and fucking do with like fucking heads of state and shit like that.

I said, Okay, well what is it? So I get there. He introduces me. Obviously, she's beautiful, I mean, like she says, she was trained to go in and fucking do with like fucking heads of state and shit like that.

Wow.

Wow.

And then how would you described like her just as a person in general?

And then how would you described like her just as a person in general?

You know, she's very kind of like a cool seductress that looks you straight in the eye all the time and kind of always knows the right thing to say. Every single thing I was saying to her, she just had the perfect retort because I was, you know, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but you know, look, this town is hard.

You know, she's very kind of like a cool seductress that looks you straight in the eye all the time and kind of always knows the right thing to say. Every single thing I was saying to her, she just had the perfect retort because I was, you know, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but you know, look, this town is hard.

A couple more questions, how do we know she's not still working for the Russian government?

A couple more questions, how do we know she's not still working for the Russian government?

Johnny said.

Johnny said.

I could ask her that question and any others I had when I met her. I figured if the Russian government wanted to get me, they were probably easier ways.

I could ask her that question and any others I had when I met her. I figured if the Russian government wanted to get me, they were probably easier ways.

May man, what's going on you?

May man, what's going on you?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I really miss you, man. I mean, Jesus, last time I saw you was what my dad's funeral or something? Was funeral Jesus Christ.

I really miss you, man. I mean, Jesus, last time I saw you was what my dad's funeral or something? Was funeral Jesus Christ.

Johnny introduced me to the woman standing next to him. She was tall, with dyed blonde haircut short and stylish, and wearing what looked like very expensive designer clothing. This was the reputed former Russian spy Aliah.

Johnny introduced me to the woman standing next to him. She was tall, with dyed blonde haircut short and stylish, and wearing what looked like very expensive designer clothing. This was the reputed former Russian spy Aliah.

Rosa Rosa Neil Strauss, I want you guys to meet each other.

Rosa Rosa Neil Strauss, I want you guys to meet each other.

Thank you so much for an introduction, Neil.

Thank you so much for an introduction, Neil.

I'm telling you by the end of the night, you guys are going to be best.

I'm telling you by the end of the night, you guys are going to be best.

We sat down for dinner with a few other people that invited to get their take on the situation, including a former top breaking agent at the CIA.

We sat down for dinner with a few other people that invited to get their take on the situation, including a former top breaking agent at the CIA.

That's what you have both on the spot.

That's what you have both on the spot.

Do you want to tell a little bit about a liah?

Do you want to tell a little bit about a liah?

And then I always have to get permission first because the story is kind of crazy. Do I have permission to basically get fucking crazy with it? Tell her what you're really fantastic. I'm gonna tell the true. So I'm gonna say somethe this woman right here and this is no ship what through a training thing.

And then I always have to get permission first because the story is kind of crazy. Do I have permission to basically get fucking crazy with it? Tell her what you're really fantastic. I'm gonna tell the true. So I'm gonna say somethe this woman right here and this is no ship what through a training thing.

That Johnny Junior then repeats much of what he told me earlier in the same crass language.

That Johnny Junior then repeats much of what he told me earlier in the same crass language.

I know that sounds the bad, but but it just I'm just telling true.

I know that sounds the bad, but but it just I'm just telling true.

So anyway, that's it is that that is That is that introduction.

So anyway, that's it is that that is That is that introduction.

Pretty thoughts of the introduction.

Pretty thoughts of the introduction.

Okay, I'm I mean it was authentic, right, So it's authent.

Okay, I'm I mean it was authentic, right, So it's authent.

Right, I'm just going about I'm just saying what I you know, I know, yes, I know, But there's much more to the story.

Right, I'm just going about I'm just saying what I you know, I know, yes, I know, But there's much more to the story.

It's clear that Aliyah is a little uncomfortable and that there's a lot more.

It's clear that Aliyah is a little uncomfortable and that there's a lot more.

To her story.

To her story.

Never ever before I shared this story with anyone, including my parents. Nobody knows those people who knew they were killed.

Never ever before I shared this story with anyone, including my parents. Nobody knows those people who knew they were killed.

After the dinner, I spoke with my source from the CIA, who didn't want his name or voice to be used, and asked what he thought. She seems credible, He replied, but her story is incredible. Anything that was a great dinner, that's one. It was an odd dinner. It's basically the CIA, the KGB, and the mafia. And I was left with more questions about Aleia Rosa than answers, And to me, that's always a good sign to move forward. Chapter two, A dirty organization. After meeting Aliyah, I decided to look more into her story. There wasn't a lot online, but I did find a few items legitimizing her, a few items delegitimizing her, and a social media page that was very influencery. Then I looked into actual evidence of a seduction program operated by the Russian government, and there was no in depth information online. It seemed like something out of a spy movie.

After the dinner, I spoke with my source from the CIA, who didn't want his name or voice to be used, and asked what he thought. She seems credible, He replied, but her story is incredible. Anything that was a great dinner, that's one. It was an odd dinner. It's basically the CIA, the KGB, and the mafia. And I was left with more questions about Aleia Rosa than answers, And to me, that's always a good sign to move forward. Chapter two, A dirty organization. After meeting Aliyah, I decided to look more into her story. There wasn't a lot online, but I did find a few items legitimizing her, a few items delegitimizing her, and a social media page that was very influencery. Then I looked into actual evidence of a seduction program operated by the Russian government, and there was no in depth information online. It seemed like something out of a spy movie.

You made such a bold entrance into a little drama. Two doesn'ts appreciate the occasion With Twist's mister Bond.

You made such a bold entrance into a little drama. Two doesn'ts appreciate the occasion With Twist's mister Bond.

James I probably wouldn't have believed it at all if not for a strange experience I had a decade earlier. I received a call out of the blue from a special agent at the FBI. We are dedicated to national security investigations of the highest order, he told me. He went on to reveal two things that shocked me. The first is that my book The Game was required reading for his agents. The second was that he'd like me to fly to Washington and train a group of field agents and analysts on the art of seduction. It was an offer I couldn't say no to talking.

James I probably wouldn't have believed it at all if not for a strange experience I had a decade earlier. I received a call out of the blue from a special agent at the FBI. We are dedicated to national security investigations of the highest order, he told me. He went on to reveal two things that shocked me. The first is that my book The Game was required reading for his agents. The second was that he'd like me to fly to Washington and train a group of field agents and analysts on the art of seduction. It was an offer I couldn't say no to talking.

You know, I would say, what do you feel like doing that web feels right for you? You know, because I'm talking in your ranche was I'm talking to visual person. I'm like, what do you see yourself doing today? How do you see yourself going out to this world? Because I know they're going to be visualizing and these things are really key for getting reports.

You know, I would say, what do you feel like doing that web feels right for you? You know, because I'm talking in your ranche was I'm talking to visual person. I'm like, what do you see yourself doing today? How do you see yourself going out to this world? Because I know they're going to be visualizing and these things are really key for getting reports.

Talking.

Talking.

It's all modalities. If you want to talk in their primary modality, and this is.

It's all modalities. If you want to talk in their primary modality, and this is.

This is that I'll be with.

This is that I'll be with.

So I called Robin Dreeke, one of the agents who was present at that session and the former head of the FBI's Behavioral Analysis program to ask why was the FBI learning the art of seduction?

So I called Robin Dreeke, one of the agents who was present at that session and the former head of the FBI's Behavioral Analysis program to ask why was the FBI learning the art of seduction?

We brought you in. A benefit of what you brought to us was a deep understanding of human psychology. And in our work where you're developing confidential human sources and recruiting spies, the understanding of how to develop for poor and attraction is key and critical minus going for romantic interactions. A lot of those other techniques are extremely effective. And you brought a vast amount of personal, real life experience to that with the book, and you're coming in and training with us.

We brought you in. A benefit of what you brought to us was a deep understanding of human psychology. And in our work where you're developing confidential human sources and recruiting spies, the understanding of how to develop for poor and attraction is key and critical minus going for romantic interactions. A lot of those other techniques are extremely effective. And you brought a vast amount of personal, real life experience to that with the book, and you're coming in and training with us.

It's so interesting, so I'll feel you it and get your getting your thoughts. And at dinner, Eliah said she'd worked for a Russian intelligence agency called the FSB, which I never heard of before, so I asked Robin to give me a little background on how Russian spy programs operate.

It's so interesting, so I'll feel you it and get your getting your thoughts. And at dinner, Eliah said she'd worked for a Russian intelligence agency called the FSB, which I never heard of before, so I asked Robin to give me a little background on how Russian spy programs operate.

So in general at mirrors ours pretty closely, and like their SVR is the equivalent of our CIA, and their GRU that's the Russian military intelligence is the equivalent of our DIA Defense Intelligence Agency. Their FSB is the equivalent of our FBI. They see intelligence more as a as a factory event in the sense of this an assembly line. I don't remember the exact number, but at the height of the cold or before the KGB broke into the SVR and the FSB, I think that the number of employees that were part of the KGB were in the millions compared to a handful of our operatives overseas. For the like the CIA and DA and A are an intelligence machine. They suck it all in and they collect it.

So in general at mirrors ours pretty closely, and like their SVR is the equivalent of our CIA, and their GRU that's the Russian military intelligence is the equivalent of our DIA Defense Intelligence Agency. Their FSB is the equivalent of our FBI. They see intelligence more as a as a factory event in the sense of this an assembly line. I don't remember the exact number, but at the height of the cold or before the KGB broke into the SVR and the FSB, I think that the number of employees that were part of the KGB were in the millions compared to a handful of our operatives overseas. For the like the CIA and DA and A are an intelligence machine. They suck it all in and they collect it.

All Why, I asked Robin, does Russia have this evidently deserved reputation as the world capital of spying?

All Why, I asked Robin, does Russia have this evidently deserved reputation as the world capital of spying?

The gross domestic product GDP of Russia it's like Italy's or Texas. I mean, it's not huge. And when you're a country that relies on hydrocarbons for your economy and that can fluctuate as much as it has been fluctuated definitely in the last bunch of years, you don't have They don't have a huge economy. It's not very strong. And so when you're cash strapped and you're trying to be the big boy on the world stage, if you don't have the military because you can't support it, you're going to do it in another way. And they do it in intelligence because intelligence collection, the way they do it is a lot cheaper than anything else. And they send their messages whether they're going to publicly, even though they say it's not public, but you know, killing people with depleted uranium, there's a lot of other ways that take someone out silently. Those things are made for public statements saying we can find you anywhere in the world and we'll take you out, And that's intelligence operations, and it's a lot cheaper doing that than anything else, and so that's why they utilize their intelligence organizations to do just that.

The gross domestic product GDP of Russia it's like Italy's or Texas. I mean, it's not huge. And when you're a country that relies on hydrocarbons for your economy and that can fluctuate as much as it has been fluctuated definitely in the last bunch of years, you don't have They don't have a huge economy. It's not very strong. And so when you're cash strapped and you're trying to be the big boy on the world stage, if you don't have the military because you can't support it, you're going to do it in another way. And they do it in intelligence because intelligence collection, the way they do it is a lot cheaper than anything else. And they send their messages whether they're going to publicly, even though they say it's not public, but you know, killing people with depleted uranium, there's a lot of other ways that take someone out silently. Those things are made for public statements saying we can find you anywhere in the world and we'll take you out, And that's intelligence operations, and it's a lot cheaper doing that than anything else, and so that's why they utilize their intelligence organizations to do just that.

I feel in Robin who spent twenty two years recruiting Russian spies at Aalah's seduction training with the FSB, and ask him what he thinks.

I feel in Robin who spent twenty two years recruiting Russian spies at Aalah's seduction training with the FSB, and ask him what he thinks.

Anecdotally and totally believable, the FSB that is a dirty organization. You know, it's an organization that is founded on doing things just like that. I mean, they use honey traps and use it with Clayton Loan Tree, and I know there's been others that just don't hit the news.

Anecdotally and totally believable, the FSB that is a dirty organization. You know, it's an organization that is founded on doing things just like that. I mean, they use honey traps and use it with Clayton Loan Tree, and I know there's been others that just don't hit the news.

We'll get into the story of Clayton Loan Tree and some of those others later in this podcast, and we'll also talk more about honey traps. The honey in this term is the agent who's seducing a target, and the trap is, now that I have evidence you've slept with me, or now that you've fallen completely in love with me, here's what I want from you.

We'll get into the story of Clayton Loan Tree and some of those others later in this podcast, and we'll also talk more about honey traps. The honey in this term is the agent who's seducing a target, and the trap is, now that I have evidence you've slept with me, or now that you've fallen completely in love with me, here's what I want from you.

No one volunteers to the FSB. That's why they have to use honey traps and train people to do that, because they're dicks. If you're a foreign diplomat over in their country, they're going to harass, to live in hell out of you, and then they're going to try to trap you and coerce you into cooperation. That is not the way to recruit a human being. That does not make anyone feel safe.

No one volunteers to the FSB. That's why they have to use honey traps and train people to do that, because they're dicks. If you're a foreign diplomat over in their country, they're going to harass, to live in hell out of you, and then they're going to try to trap you and coerce you into cooperation. That is not the way to recruit a human being. That does not make anyone feel safe.

I ask if the United States has seduction spies, and Robin claims that they do.

I ask if the United States has seduction spies, and Robin claims that they do.

Not.

Not.

Even taking a source to a strip club and using government money for that, he says, would be a political liability.

Even taking a source to a strip club and using government money for that, he says, would be a political liability.

When she was talking.

When she was talking.

About her experience, You're just there and you stay there out of fear. There's like if you leave, your life's going to be destroyed.

About her experience, You're just there and you stay there out of fear. There's like if you leave, your life's going to be destroyed.

I mean, you know this, for the world you've been in, that's a broken toil, and broken toys have an unhealthy outlook on the world unless they've realized that they've been through counseling.

I mean, you know this, for the world you've been in, that's a broken toil, and broken toys have an unhealthy outlook on the world unless they've realized that they've been through counseling.

Now find what you mean by a broken toy.

Now find what you mean by a broken toy.

First of all, people that are susceptible to being recruited or trafficked, because basically she's human. Trafficked is what she is. There was a need in her life that wasn't being fulfilled somewhere else, and the FSB came in and fulfilled that need to be seen, heard, and valued by others, and then they manipulated that against her.

First of all, people that are susceptible to being recruited or trafficked, because basically she's human. Trafficked is what she is. There was a need in her life that wasn't being fulfilled somewhere else, and the FSB came in and fulfilled that need to be seen, heard, and valued by others, and then they manipulated that against her.

Keep in mind that I don't know a lot yet about Leah's story or how she was recruited and needed is Robin, He's basing this analysis on his intelligence experience.

Keep in mind that I don't know a lot yet about Leah's story or how she was recruited and needed is Robin, He's basing this analysis on his intelligence experience.

To me, there's no difference between a child predator and what they did to her. Welcomed to the world of Russian Intelligence.

To me, there's no difference between a child predator and what they did to her. Welcomed to the world of Russian Intelligence.

Chapter three, The Target.

Chapter three, The Target.

Nice to see.

Nice to see.

I'm really excited to share it with you.

I'm really excited to share it with you.

It's a sunny Wednesday afternoon in Malibu and Alia Rosa has come over to discuss the podcast. When someone says they've been trained their whole life in the art of seduction, you tend to question everything they say and do and wonder if it's all a manipulation.

It's a sunny Wednesday afternoon in Malibu and Alia Rosa has come over to discuss the podcast. When someone says they've been trained their whole life in the art of seduction, you tend to question everything they say and do and wonder if it's all a manipulation.

I love your shoes.

I love your shoes.

They're so cool.

They're so cool.

Yes, Mary, I have not seen anything like this, really stylish, like my son would really love it.

Yes, Mary, I have not seen anything like this, really stylish, like my son would really love it.

There's a controversial and often hurtful technique that the pickup artists in the game taught, and it called the nag. You give someone what appears to be a compliment and then say something slightly backhanded so that they're not quite sure if they're being complimented or insulted. And that's exactly what Leah just did to me. Elee's brought over a bottle of wine, which doesn't often happen in the meetings I attend. I handle the corkscrew well, I go to check on my son. When I get back, the wine is unopened, and she hands the corkscrew back to me. I get the funny feeling that she's trying to prove to me that she hasn't tampered with the wine.

There's a controversial and often hurtful technique that the pickup artists in the game taught, and it called the nag. You give someone what appears to be a compliment and then say something slightly backhanded so that they're not quite sure if they're being complimented or insulted. And that's exactly what Leah just did to me. Elee's brought over a bottle of wine, which doesn't often happen in the meetings I attend. I handle the corkscrew well, I go to check on my son. When I get back, the wine is unopened, and she hands the corkscrew back to me. I get the funny feeling that she's trying to prove to me that she hasn't tampered with the wine.

Okay, cheers first, cheers, have your Thanksgiving.

Okay, cheers first, cheers, have your Thanksgiving.

Yes, but did you purposely not open the wine or so like you knew it was.

Yes, but did you purposely not open the wine or so like you knew it was.

I could trust the wine.

I could trust the wine.

You left to see to check on your son, I could drop something you know, you know, like yeah, I know that you have this kind of like assaults it's normal you and putting. You are the same type.

You left to see to check on your son, I could drop something you know, you know, like yeah, I know that you have this kind of like assaults it's normal you and putting. You are the same type.

Believe it or not.

Believe it or not.

You protect yourself, your environment, your family. Of course it's a good thing. That's not putting us. He also protects his country.

You protect yourself, your environment, your family. Of course it's a good thing. That's not putting us. He also protects his country.

I'm not sure how to feel about that put In comment, and that's probably just what Aleah wants. Another nag. She then shares something else that really messes with my mind, something that just may be true given what Robin Drake from the FBI just shared with me.

I'm not sure how to feel about that put In comment, and that's probably just what Aleah wants. Another nag. She then shares something else that really messes with my mind, something that just may be true given what Robin Drake from the FBI just shared with me.

Actually, like you'd be surprised. There's so many agents working in America, Like so many, Yeah, even in Malibu, Like you know, seriously, just be aware. Don't say anything about putting. I mean yeah, I sound like like kind of like don't say it is kind of like putting some fears, but like it's better not really too. I mean, when Americans discussed like Biden, no Trump, it's kind of like, yeah, okay, But once they discuss about like putting, there are always many years around.

Actually, like you'd be surprised. There's so many agents working in America, Like so many, Yeah, even in Malibu, Like you know, seriously, just be aware. Don't say anything about putting. I mean yeah, I sound like like kind of like don't say it is kind of like putting some fears, but like it's better not really too. I mean, when Americans discussed like Biden, no Trump, it's kind of like, yeah, okay, But once they discuss about like putting, there are always many years around.

I turned the discussion to the podcast. Even though the period of lie is talking about as many years ago, I assume Putin still wouldn't be happy about her sharing state secrets. Speaking that are their concerns for safety in speaking out and telling your story and sharing all this information.

I turned the discussion to the podcast. Even though the period of lie is talking about as many years ago, I assume Putin still wouldn't be happy about her sharing state secrets. Speaking that are their concerns for safety in speaking out and telling your story and sharing all this information.

To say I'm not scared, I would lie. Yes, of course, I am a mother of thirteen years old son. Yes of course I'm scared. I don't know what might happen. Right if I will beat that tomorrow, Let's say I know that my son, even it would be so hard for him, he will grow up and he will respect me for that. At least I had enough courage and bravery to stand up and speak out against this evil.

To say I'm not scared, I would lie. Yes, of course, I am a mother of thirteen years old son. Yes of course I'm scared. I don't know what might happen. Right if I will beat that tomorrow, Let's say I know that my son, even it would be so hard for him, he will grow up and he will respect me for that. At least I had enough courage and bravery to stand up and speak out against this evil.

That evil, she explains, is more than.

That evil, she explains, is more than.

Just puttin sharing that life events is a proof of how corrupted the whole system is and how the male dominance is just so strong there that being a female in Russia, it means that you're almost like you have the same rights like a dog. And it's it's just not even like it's not right. But this is if this isn't a human.

Just puttin sharing that life events is a proof of how corrupted the whole system is and how the male dominance is just so strong there that being a female in Russia, it means that you're almost like you have the same rights like a dog. And it's it's just not even like it's not right. But this is if this isn't a human.

The other question is if we're going to go.

The other question is if we're going to go.

Tell the story, are you comfortable just just sharing all your experiences, good or bad, and no matter.

Tell the story, are you comfortable just just sharing all your experiences, good or bad, and no matter.

What people may think.

What people may think.

I don't feel comfortable at all. Honestly, I don't want people to think that I like I can kill people. I'm a murder. You know, it's a bad kind of like, you know she could kill people, then maybe she can do it now, who knows? You know, she doesn't have this stop because on the good side, I protected my country great and I tried to survive. On the bad side, I'm still a murderer. I still killed some people, and I still feel guilty for that.

I don't feel comfortable at all. Honestly, I don't want people to think that I like I can kill people. I'm a murder. You know, it's a bad kind of like, you know she could kill people, then maybe she can do it now, who knows? You know, she doesn't have this stop because on the good side, I protected my country great and I tried to survive. On the bad side, I'm still a murderer. I still killed some people, and I still feel guilty for that.

And asked Johnny when I first spoke to him, Oh, how do I know she's not still working for Russian Intelligence?

And asked Johnny when I first spoke to him, Oh, how do I know she's not still working for Russian Intelligence?

You know what, I don't know how johnswer this question? Really, how do you know if i'm if I'm like, I may still work for puts in right, because I will reveal the real truth was going on there and what was happening before. When I heard about the Ukrainian War, I felt that moment that I really want to speak out. I felt like I can't just sit down there and just be silenced like I was all this time.

You know what, I don't know how johnswer this question? Really, how do you know if i'm if I'm like, I may still work for puts in right, because I will reveal the real truth was going on there and what was happening before. When I heard about the Ukrainian War, I felt that moment that I really want to speak out. I felt like I can't just sit down there and just be silenced like I was all this time.

Looking back in the time you were in Russian intelligence, do you think you were a hero or a victim?

Looking back in the time you were in Russian intelligence, do you think you were a hero or a victim?

Definitely victim, But brain was that I was a hero.

Definitely victim, But brain was that I was a hero.

I plainly.

I plainly.

In my interview with Robin Drake, she pauses and reflects when he calls her a broken toy, I ask her what she's thinking about it.

In my interview with Robin Drake, she pauses and reflects when he calls her a broken toy, I ask her what she's thinking about it.

I mean, for so many years I didn't feel that I was broken. But it's hard, you know, Neil, It's so hard to accept that because it's such a big guilt. It's such a big pain when you realize and when you accept that I was a part of this evil system. So yeah, I guess I am broken, and yes I am a toy.

I mean, for so many years I didn't feel that I was broken. But it's hard, you know, Neil, It's so hard to accept that because it's such a big guilt. It's such a big pain when you realize and when you accept that I was a part of this evil system. So yeah, I guess I am broken, and yes I am a toy.

As Leah talks further, I'm reminded of the grim reality that the victims and sexpionage are not just the targets, but the seducers themselves. Over this, it's been an intense discussion, and I totally afterward that I would like to move forward and share the story of her training, her espionage work, and her escape from the Russian military. I just have one last question. Is she ever able to turn off the role she was forced to play? Her answer confirms one of my deepest fears.

As Leah talks further, I'm reminded of the grim reality that the victims and sexpionage are not just the targets, but the seducers themselves. Over this, it's been an intense discussion, and I totally afterward that I would like to move forward and share the story of her training, her espionage work, and her escape from the Russian military. I just have one last question. Is she ever able to turn off the role she was forced to play? Her answer confirms one of my deepest fears.

No, I mean, like seduction is I think, Yeah, it's a lifestyle. It's definitely a lifestyle once you learn it. It's just like habit. You go everywhere with this, you live like that. I wanted to work with you and you in this case, like warm my target. So I did it for this goal which we are having great now, and it's yeah, I can tell this a seduction, and then I realize that you are my perfect target. I seduce to.

No, I mean, like seduction is I think, Yeah, it's a lifestyle. It's definitely a lifestyle once you learn it. It's just like habit. You go everywhere with this, you live like that. I wanted to work with you and you in this case, like warm my target. So I did it for this goal which we are having great now, and it's yeah, I can tell this a seduction, and then I realize that you are my perfect target. I seduce to.

We will continue in episode two, available now along with all eight episodes of TODE for volume one. Continue listening for free on Apple Podcasts.

We will continue in episode two, available now along with all eight episodes of TODE for volume one. Continue listening for free on Apple Podcasts.