Julie was born of a surrogate mother and counts it as a blessing to have a life through the miracle of modern science.  She welcomes Jennifer Lahl, the founder and president of The Center for Bioethics and Culture Network and the co-founder of Stop Surrogacy Now, to have a lively debate on surrogacy.

2:20 -- Why did Julie want to do this interview?

7:15 -- Jennifer takes issue with the way Julie's parents explained her surrogacy to her (Julie responds at 10:47)

13:25 -- Jennifer argues that payment for pregnancy is coercive 

15:47 -- Julie summarizes Jennifer's arguments against surrogacy: 1) Surrogacy is more risky than regular pregnancies 2) Payment for pregnancy is coercive

18:22 -- Julie asks: What is the data--how many surrogates die/get significantly harmed from carrying a child?

23:07 --- Julie makes comparison to costs/benefits of driving a car

32:38 -- Jennifer asks Julie: What would your position on surrogacy be if your surrogate mother and you died? 

35:04 -- Jennifer says it's "interesting" that Julie doesn't want to provide some details about her surrogacy -- Jennfier argues that women are "erased"

36:05 -- Julie asks Jennifer: If a surrogate walks away with some emotional damage (like postpartum depression), do you think that that is enough to say that surrogacy should not have happened/ the child should not have been born?

38:50 --- Jennifer argues that it is economically unjust to allow lower income women to deliver babies for wealthy families

40:28 -- Julie and Jennifer exchange about data

42:40 --- Julie asks: Do you think it's coercive when people are paid to do other physical jobs that are potentially dangerous (i.e. construction work)? Jennifer argues pregnancy is not a job.

49:25 -- Julie asks: If your argument against surrogacy is that you don't think doctors should be doing "medically unnecessary" things to people, are you against plastic surgery?

53:40 -- Julie and Jennifer discuss cases where biological parents want their surrogate to get an abortion. Is that "surrogate's body, her choice" or "parent's contract, their choice"?

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