Andrew Urquhart talks with Nick from Pilar NZ about the government's renewed push to increase oversight of homeschooling families, following the tragic Tom Phillips case where three children vanished with their homeschooling father for four years. Nick argues this is a red herring, noting that the Ministry of Education and Education Review Office had already tried to sneak similar controls into legislation earlier in the year before public pressure forced a withdrawal.

Both agree the real failures lie with Police and Oranga Tamariki, who held critical information about Phillips but failed to act, rather than with homeschooling regulation itself. They warn against using this tragedy to push an ideological agenda that erodes homeschooling families' freedoms, and encourage listeners to contact their local politicians and support organisations like Pilar NZ in defending homeschooling rights.

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