The Bulwark's Tim Miller joins the podcast to discuss being a leading figure in the Never Trump movement, the growth of The Bulwark and how Donald Trump is starting to make the mistake of a normal politician. Plus, Tim shares what it's like spending time with the Turning Point crowd and which Democrats could actually reach young men.


0:00 Intro
2:30 Miller's Media Diet
4:34 How Miller Came To Elevate The Bulwark
10:34 How To Understand The Trump Origin Story 
16:12 Who Really Benefits From Trump's Success
26:03 How Do Democrats Win Nationally
34:05 Did Covid Turn Democrats Into The Establishment?
40:59 Miller's Relationship With Charlie Kirk & Turning Point USA
46:17 The Left's Inability To Engage Young People
52:00 Is The Theo Von Voter Up For Grabs?

 

 

 

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The Bulwark's Tim Miller joins the podcast to discuss being a leading figure in the Never Trump movement, the growth of The Bulwark and how Donald Trump is starting to make the mistake of a normal politician. Plus, Tim shares what it's like spending time with the Turning Point crowd and which Democrats could actually reach young men. 0:00 Intro 2:30 Miller's Media Diet 4:34 How Miller Came To Elevate The Bulwark 10:34 How To Understand The Trump Origin Story&nbsp; 16:12 Who Really Benefits From Trump's Success 26:03 How Do Democrats Win Nationally 34:05 Did Covid Turn Democrats Into The Establishment? 40:59 Miller's Relationship With Charlie Kirk &amp; Turning Point USA 46:17 The Left's Inability To Engage Young People 52:00 Is The Theo Von Voter Up For Grabs?
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**BOOK ALERT** Preorder Young Man in a Hurry by Gavin Newsom, out February 2026.&nbsp;
Pre-order your copy: <a href="https://linktr.ee/govgavinnewsom">https://linktr.ee/govgavinnewsom</a>
Email: <a href="mailto:TIGNPod@gmail.com">TIGNPod@gmail.com</a>
Substack: Gavinnewsom

I’m Gavin Newsom.

And, it’s time to have a conversation. It’s time to have honest discussions with people that agree AND disagree with us.

It's time to answer the hard questions and be open to criticism, and debate without demeaning or dehumanizing one other.

I will be doing just that on my new podcast – inviting people on who I deeply disagree with to talk about the most pressing issues of the day and inviting listeners from around the country to join the conversation.

THIS is Gavin Newsom.

I&rsquo;m Gavin Newsom.
And, it&rsquo;s time to have a conversation. It&rsquo;s time to have honest discussions with people that agree AND disagree with us.
It's time to answer the hard questions and be open to criticism, and debate without demeaning or dehumanizing one other.
I will be doing just that on my new podcast &ndash; inviting people on who I deeply disagree with to talk about the most pressing issues of the day and inviting listeners from around the country to join the conversation.
THIS is Gavin Newsom.

This is Gavin Newsom

And, This Is How Trump Loses His Base with Tim Miller of The Bulwark

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