The Bulwark's Tim Miller joins the podcast to discuss being a leading figure in the Never Trump movement, the growth of The Bulwark and how Donald Trump is starting to make the mistake of a normal politician. Plus, Tim shares what it's like spending time with the Turning Point crowd and which Democrats could actually reach young men.


0:00 Intro
2:30 Miller's Media Diet
4:34 How Miller Came To Elevate The Bulwark
10:34 How To Understand The Trump Origin Story 
16:12 Who Really Benefits From Trump's Success
26:03 How Do Democrats Win Nationally
34:05 Did Covid Turn Democrats Into The Establishment?
40:59 Miller's Relationship With Charlie Kirk & Turning Point USA
46:17 The Left's Inability To Engage Young People
52:00 Is The Theo Von Voter Up For Grabs?

 

 

 

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The Bulwark's Tim Miller joins the podcast to discuss being a leading figure in the Never Trump movement, the growth of The Bulwark and how Donald Trump is starting to make the mistake of a normal politician. Plus, Tim shares what it's like spending time with the Turning Point crowd and which Democrats could actually reach young men. 0:00 Intro 2:30 Miller's Media Diet 4:34 How Miller Came To Elevate The Bulwark 10:34 How To Understand The Trump Origin Story&nbsp; 16:12 Who Really Benefits From Trump's Success 26:03 How Do Democrats Win Nationally 34:05 Did Covid Turn Democrats Into The Establishment? 40:59 Miller's Relationship With Charlie Kirk &amp; Turning Point USA 46:17 The Left's Inability To Engage Young People 52:00 Is The Theo Von Voter Up For Grabs?
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I’m Gavin Newsom.

And, it’s time to have a conversation. It’s time to have honest discussions with people that agree AND disagree with us.

It's time to answer the hard questions and be open to criticism, and debate without demeaning or dehumanizing one other.

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I&rsquo;m Gavin Newsom.
And, it&rsquo;s time to have a conversation. It&rsquo;s time to have honest discussions with people that agree AND disagree with us.
It's time to answer the hard questions and be open to criticism, and debate without demeaning or dehumanizing one other.
I will be doing just that on my new podcast &ndash; inviting people on who I deeply disagree with to talk about the most pressing issues of the day and inviting listeners from around the country to join the conversation.
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And, This Is How Trump Loses His Base with Tim Miller of The Bulwark

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/e10ae128-b2c2-409f-8d8f-b3b00183a3b0/transcript

00:00 New York Culture vs. D.C. Culture 
1:52 What We're Seeing in Minneapolis 
7:30 Running in 2028 On Accountability
10:10 Keith's Upbringing Makes This Surreal 
13:20 Processing Grief & Learning To Trust Ourselves
17:30 How Reality TV Helps Keith Cover Politics
24:10 Trump's Election & Prayer Changed Keith's Career
29:45 "We Actually Need Someone Who Knows What They're Doing"
33:00The Lincoln Project Or The Inspiration Was I Need Money 
38:20 Becoming An Intentional Content Creator 
49:18 What Breaks Through In A 2026 Political Environment? 
54:18 What's Wrong With The Liberal Side of YouTube?
59:10 Why We Had Ben Shapiro On The Show 
1:02:55 Does The Left Hurt Itself By Being Too Judgmental? 
1:08:10 Fixing The DNC's Social Media 
1:13:26 How Do Democrats Persuade People?


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Young Man in a Hurry by Gavin Newsom, out February 2026. Pre-order your copy: https://linktr.ee/govgavinnewsom

00:00 New York Culture vs. D.C. Culture&nbsp; 1:52 What We're Seeing in Minneapolis&nbsp; 7:30 Running in 2028 On Accountability 10:10 Keith's Upbringing Makes This Surreal&nbsp; 13:20 Processing Grief &amp; Learning To Trust Ourselves 17:30 How Reality TV Helps Keith Cover Politics 24:10 Trump's Election &amp; Prayer Changed Keith's Career 29:45 "We Actually Need Someone Who Knows What They're Doing" 33:00The Lincoln Project Or The Inspiration Was I Need Money&nbsp; 38:20 Becoming An Intentional Content Creator&nbsp; 49:18 What Breaks Through In A 2026 Political Environment?&nbsp; 54:18 What's Wrong With The Liberal Side of YouTube? 59:10 Why We Had Ben Shapiro On The Show&nbsp; 1:02:55 Does The Left Hurt Itself By Being Too Judgmental?&nbsp; 1:08:10 Fixing The DNC's Social Media&nbsp; 1:13:26 How Do Democrats Persuade People?
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And, This Is A Country In Crisis With Keith Edwards

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In this special conversation, Gavin is joined by Ben Smith of Semafor to discuss how much damage Trump is doing to the American brand on the world stage. 

Live from the World Economic Forum in Davos, they analyze how Newsom is fighting fire with fire when it comes to Trump's online rhetoric, Canadian PM Mark Carney's remarks on America's international standing, and California's economic record.



00:00 What Trump Tried To Cancel

2:54 CEOs Under Trump

6:49 The Trump Administration's Insults & Fighting Fire With Fire

8:58 America's Role On The World Stage 

17:31 California's Record & The Democratic Party At Large

20:35 Immigration & The Border 

25:25 California's Progressive Tax Structure

Email: TIGNPod@gmail.com

 

Young Man in a Hurry by Gavin Newsom, out February 2026.

Pre-order your copy: https://linktr.ee/govgavinnewsom

In this special conversation, Gavin is joined by Ben Smith of Semafor to discuss how much damage Trump is doing to the American brand on the world stage.&nbsp;
Live from the World Economic Forum in Davos, they analyze how Newsom is fighting fire with fire when it comes to Trump's online rhetoric, Canadian PM Mark Carney's remarks on America's international standing, and California's economic record. 
00:00 What Trump Tried To Cancel
2:54 CEOs Under Trump
6:49 The Trump Administration's Insults &amp; Fighting Fire With Fire
8:58 America's Role On The World Stage&nbsp;
17:31 California's Record &amp; The Democratic Party At Large
20:35 Immigration &amp; The Border&nbsp;
25:25 California's Progressive Tax Structure
Email:&nbsp;<a href="mailto:TIGNPod@gmail.com">TIGNPod@gmail.com</a>
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Young Man in a Hurry by Gavin Newsom, out February 2026.
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And, This Is The Conversation The Trump Administration Tried To Cancel (Live From Davos!)

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What happens when the conservative movement turns on one of its own? Governor Newsom is joined by Ben Shapiro to dissect a wide range of topics including Trump's economic failures, the importance of immigration, and how free elections are in fact in danger. Plus they debate Middle East politics, how to solve the housing crisis and whether it's possible to find common ground with those you disagree with. 

00:00 Intro

00:36 Ben Shapiro Is California Raised

5:25 Law vs. Politics

7:00 How Bullying Shaped Ben

11:26 Breitbart, Bannon & The Birth of A Right Wing Media Empire

19:02 Are Podcasts' Influence Overrated?

22:06 ICE in California, The Importance of Immigrants & The Benefits of Sanctuary Policies

30:01 Solving The Housing Crisis & Fighting Crony Capitalism

38:47 California vs. Red States

42:51 Did Ben Actually Support Prop 50

47:33 Is Donald Trump Trying To Kill Free Elections?

54:32 TPUSA's America Fest Speech, Candace Owens & The Right Wing Influencer Scene

1:00:50 Shapiro's Relationships With Charlie Kirk & Tucker Carlson

1:03:04 Grievance Based Politics & False Nostalgia

1:08:50 Trump's Economic Troubles, The Affordability Crisis and The Tariff Failure

1:17:06 Shapiro's Justification of Trump's Foreign Policy & The Greenland Question

1:19:49 Trump's Interference With The Fed

1:21:05 Israel, Hamas, The Devastation In Gaza, & Criticisms of Bibi Netanyahu

1:30:30 Gender Affirming Care Under Trump & The Right's Weaponization of LGBTQIA Rights

1:41:08 Is Trump The Scavenger in Ben's Book?

1:45:28 Rapid Fire: Midterm Predictions, Healthcare Subsidies, Vance vs, Rubio, Bondi's Exit 

 

 

 

Email: TIGNPod@gmail.com 

Young Man in a Hurry by Gavin Newsom, out February 2026. Pre-order your copy: https://linktr.ee/govgavinnewsom 

What happens when the conservative movement turns on one of its own? Governor Newsom is joined by Ben Shapiro to dissect a wide range of topics including Trump's economic failures, the importance of immigration, and how free elections are in fact in danger. Plus they debate Middle East politics, how to solve the housing crisis and whether it's possible to find common ground with those you disagree with.&nbsp;
00:00 Intro
00:36 Ben Shapiro Is California Raised
5:25 Law vs. Politics
7:00 How Bullying Shaped Ben
11:26 Breitbart, Bannon &amp; The Birth of A Right Wing Media Empire
19:02 Are Podcasts' Influence Overrated?
22:06 ICE in California, The Importance of Immigrants &amp; The Benefits of Sanctuary Policies
30:01 Solving The Housing Crisis &amp; Fighting Crony Capitalism
38:47 California vs. Red States
42:51 Did Ben Actually Support Prop 50
47:33 Is Donald Trump Trying To Kill Free Elections?
54:32 TPUSA's America Fest Speech, Candace Owens &amp; The Right Wing Influencer Scene
1:00:50 Shapiro's Relationships With Charlie Kirk &amp; Tucker Carlson
1:03:04 Grievance Based Politics &amp; False Nostalgia
1:08:50 Trump's Economic Troubles, The Affordability Crisis and The Tariff Failure
1:17:06 Shapiro's Justification of Trump's Foreign Policy &amp; The Greenland Question
1:19:49 Trump's Interference With The Fed
1:21:05 Israel, Hamas, The Devastation In Gaza, &amp; Criticisms of Bibi Netanyahu
1:30:30 Gender Affirming Care Under Trump &amp; The Right's Weaponization of LGBTQIA Rights
1:41:08 Is Trump The Scavenger in Ben's Book?
1:45:28 Rapid Fire: Midterm Predictions, Healthcare Subsidies, Vance vs, Rubio, Bondi's Exit&nbsp;
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Young Man in a Hurry by Gavin Newsom, out February 2026. Pre-order your copy: <a href="https://linktr.ee/govgavinnewsom">https://linktr.ee/govgavinnewsom</a>&nbsp;

And, This Is The Chaos Within The GOP Featuring Ben Shapiro 

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/9399e990-9377-4858-a09b-b3d30183c67f/transcript

And, This Is How Trump Loses His Base with Tim Miller of The Bulwark

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