Independent journalist Aaron Parnas and Governor Newsom discuss the Trump administration’s push toward a constitutional crisis and the protests this past weekend.
 
Note: This conversation was recorded prior to the federal appeals court hearings on 6/17.

Independent journalist Aaron Parnas and Governor Newsom discuss the Trump administration&rsquo;s push toward a constitutional crisis and the protests this past weekend. &nbsp; Note: This conversation was recorded prior to the federal appeals court hearings on 6/17.

I’m Gavin Newsom.

And, it’s time to have a conversation. It’s time to have honest discussions with people that agree AND disagree with us.

It's time to answer the hard questions and be open to criticism, and debate without demeaning or dehumanizing one other.

I will be doing just that on my new podcast – inviting people on who I deeply disagree with to talk about the most pressing issues of the day and inviting listeners from around the country to join the conversation.

THIS is Gavin Newsom.

I&rsquo;m Gavin Newsom.
And, it&rsquo;s time to have a conversation. It&rsquo;s time to have honest discussions with people that agree AND disagree with us.
It's time to answer the hard questions and be open to criticism, and debate without demeaning or dehumanizing one other.
I will be doing just that on my new podcast &ndash; inviting people on who I deeply disagree with to talk about the most pressing issues of the day and inviting listeners from around the country to join the conversation.
THIS is Gavin Newsom.

This is Gavin Newsom

And, This is Aaron Parnas (Live on Substack!)

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/eba7c3b3-ed2f-4f60-9c99-b3010016cf2a/transcript

Axios co-founder and CEO Jim VandeHei joins the show to talk through how AI is changing the media industry, why he rejects the simple solutions floated by today’s politicians and how he’d handle saving legacy media institutions. 

He then shares his philosophy on how to manage one’s time and business effectively as articulated in his new book book Simplify: Do 50 Percent More with 50 Percent Less co-written with his Axios co-founders, Mike Allen & Roy Schwartz

00:00 An Era As Significant As The Great Depression
2:46 Trust Loss In Institutions 
6:09 The Challenge Of Breaking News In An AI World 
11:42 How To Fix  Business Leaders Selling Out 
16:57 How Algorithms Shape Our Thinking
19:22 The Competing Incentives Between LLMs & Algorithms 
22:00 Can We Shut Down AI Even If We Wanted To
25:06 How Axios Rejects The AI Binary
35:05 The Future Of Work 
39:32 Working With OpenAi & Local News 
43:36 Legacy Media vs. Digital Journalists
48:42 You Don't Have To Do It - An Operating Manual For Life 
55:35 Our Brains & Businesses Need To Adapt To Technology’s Influence 
1:01:16 How To Be An Effective Manager & Employee in 2026
1:04:39 The One Trick To Being An Effective Communicator 
1:09:27 How to Fix CNN & Cable News

Axios co-founder and CEO Jim VandeHei joins the show to talk through how AI is changing the media industry, why he rejects the simple solutions floated by today&rsquo;s politicians and how he&rsquo;d handle saving legacy media institutions. He then shares his philosophy on how to manage one&rsquo;s time and business effectively as articulated in his new book book Simplify: Do 50 Percent More with 50 Percent Less&nbsp;co-written with his Axios co-founders, Mike Allen &amp; Roy Schwartz 00:00 An Era As Significant As The Great Depression 2:46 Trust Loss In Institutions&nbsp; 6:09 The Challenge Of Breaking News In An AI World&nbsp; 11:42 How To Fix &nbsp;Business Leaders Selling Out&nbsp; 16:57 How Algorithms Shape Our Thinking 19:22 The Competing Incentives Between LLMs &amp; Algorithms&nbsp; 22:00 Can We Shut Down AI Even If We Wanted To 25:06 How Axios Rejects The AI Binary 35:05 The Future Of Work&nbsp; 39:32 Working With OpenAi &amp; Local News&nbsp; 43:36 Legacy Media vs. Digital Journalists 48:42 You Don't Have To Do It - An Operating Manual For Life&nbsp; 55:35 Our Brains &amp; Businesses Need To Adapt To Technology&rsquo;s Influence&nbsp; 1:01:16 How To Be An Effective Manager &amp; Employee in 2026 1:04:39 The One Trick To Being An Effective Communicator&nbsp; 1:09:27 How to Fix CNN &amp; Cable News

And, This Is How To Build A Better Media Business With Axios’s Jim VandeHei

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/16d8be44-31c6-479c-965a-b4e400257dc7/transcript

Bestselling author Michael Lewis (Moneyball, The Big Short, The Blind Side) joins the show to talk about his new book, Blockers: Rebels in the Deep State, and what he found reporting on the Trump administration's war against federal civil servants.

Lewis often writes about overlooked people inside massive, misunderstood systems, from Wall Street to baseball to government scientists.  In his newest work, he explains how Elon Musk's DOGE actually operated inside agencies like the IRS and NIH, why career civil servants became targets, and what happens when the trust in our government finally collapses. 

Lewis's new book Blockers: Rebels in the Deep State is out now.

00:00 Opening
00:25 Talking To Bannon, Kirk And Understanding Your Enemies
7:24 Which Of Michael Lewis’s Subjects Was Most Pissed At Him
10:35 How Michael Lewis Decides On His Subjects 
18:07 Who Can Tell The Story of Trump’s Second Term  
24:42 The Big Question Lewis Asked Himself Before Writing Blockers
30:03 Elon Musk, DOGE &  The Origin Of The Term “Blockers” 
36:23 What The Hell is The US Institute of Peace?
43:22 Government Is Moneyball All Over The Place
47:45 How Trump Tries To Weaponize Data Against Undocumented Workers
54:33 Better Information Leads To Societal Progress 
1:00:06 The Immigrant Who Changed How We Fight Fires vs. The Trump Chaos Machine
1:17:46 Trump vs. The NIH: Who Killed The Scientist Curing Our Diseases? 
1:25:09 How People Really Deal With RFK Jr. 
1:29:31 The Backdoor That DOGE Used to Fire Millions
1:34: 36 Trump is A Trust Destroying Machine & Where Trump Goes Next
1:38:16 How Permanent Is Trump’s Harm To Government? 
1:45:58 How Reagan Ruined America’s Covid Response & Helped Trump Weaponize Grievance 
1:51:15 A Sign Of Hope From A Former DOGE Employee 

Bestselling author Michael Lewis (Moneyball, The Big Short, The Blind Side) joins the show to talk about his new book, Blockers: Rebels in the Deep State, and what he found reporting on the Trump administration's war against federal civil servants. Lewis often writes about overlooked people inside massive, misunderstood systems, from Wall Street to baseball to government scientists.&nbsp; In his newest work, he explains how Elon Musk's DOGE actually operated inside agencies like the IRS and NIH, why career civil servants became targets, and what happens when the trust in our government finally collapses. Lewis's new book Blockers: Rebels in the Deep State is out now.
00:00 Opening 00:25 Talking To Bannon, Kirk And Understanding Your Enemies 7:24 Which Of Michael Lewis&rsquo;s Subjects Was Most Pissed At Him 10:35 How Michael Lewis Decides On His Subjects&nbsp; 18:07 Who Can Tell The Story of Trump&rsquo;s Second Term &nbsp; 24:42 The Big Question Lewis Asked Himself Before Writing Blockers 30:03 Elon Musk, DOGE &amp; &nbsp;The Origin Of The Term &ldquo;Blockers&rdquo;&nbsp; 36:23 What The Hell is The US Institute of Peace? 43:22 Government Is Moneyball All Over The Place 47:45 How Trump Tries To Weaponize Data Against Undocumented Workers 54:33 Better Information Leads To Societal Progress&nbsp; 1:00:06 The Immigrant Who Changed How We Fight Fires vs. The Trump Chaos Machine 1:17:46 Trump vs. The NIH: Who Killed The Scientist Curing Our Diseases?&nbsp; 1:25:09 How People Really Deal With RFK Jr.&nbsp; 1:29:31 The Backdoor That DOGE Used to Fire Millions 1:34: 36 Trump is A Trust Destroying Machine &amp; Where Trump Goes Next 1:38:16 How Permanent Is Trump&rsquo;s Harm To Government?&nbsp; 1:45:58 How Reagan Ruined America&rsquo;s Covid Response &amp; Helped Trump Weaponize Grievance&nbsp; 1:51:15 A Sign Of Hope From A Former DOGE Employee&nbsp;

And, This Is Bestselling Author Michael Lewis On Elon Musk, DOGE and His Newest Book “Blockers” 

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/5992141a-a61e-4362-996d-b4dc00584c84/transcript

Governor Newsom begins by sharing how his visit with Bryan Stevenson, civil rights attorney, & founder of the Equal Justice Initiative inspired recent legislation.

Live from the Legacy Museum and the National Memorial for Peace and Justice in Montgomery Alabama, Stevenson joins the podcast to discuss the politics of fear and anger and why America never reckoned with the narrative that justified slavery. 

He shares how the Supreme Court might decide Brown v. Board of Education today, what the gutting of the Voting Rights Act means for Black political power, and why DEI efforts fell apart.

They then cover reparations, censorship,  mass incarceration and America’s legacy when it comes to the death penalty before finally ending with  a message of hope for anyone exhausted by this political moment.

00:00 A Conversation That Inspired A Bill Signing
1:10 The Politics Of Fear And Anger
4:03 Slavery's Real Evil Was the Narrative
6:26 How Narratives Change
8:20 Struggling With American Identity
13:20 Why Build a National Memory & Legacy Museum
17:35 Why The Shelby County Decision Changed Everything
25:28 Why We've Gone Backwards
31:08 How DEI Caused Resentment
37:10 What Reparations Really Means
46:30 Why Am I Responsible For Previous Generations’ Suffering?
51:01 Rewriting History & The Montgomery Bus Boycott
59:23 Could Brown v. Board Be Won Today?
1:04:45 Rev. James Lawson: Do Hard Things
1:12:17 Counter Narratives & Censorship 
1:17:54 Mass Incarceration and the Death Penalty
1:35:30 Should California Commute Its Death Row?
1:39:50 What Do You Say to Victims' Families?
1:45:38 Is There Any Reason For Hope?

 

Governor Newsom begins by sharing how his visit with Bryan Stevenson, civil rights attorney, &amp; founder of the Equal Justice Initiative inspired recent legislation.
Live from the Legacy Museum and the National Memorial for Peace and Justice in Montgomery Alabama, Stevenson joins the podcast to discuss the politics of fear and anger and why America never reckoned with the narrative that justified slavery.&nbsp; He shares how the Supreme Court might decide Brown v. Board of Education today, what the gutting of the Voting Rights Act means for Black political power, and why DEI efforts fell apart. They then cover reparations, censorship,&nbsp; mass incarceration and America&rsquo;s legacy when it comes to the death penalty before finally ending with&nbsp; a message of hope for anyone exhausted by this political moment.
00:00 A Conversation That Inspired A Bill Signing 1:10 The Politics Of Fear And Anger 4:03 Slavery's Real Evil Was the Narrative 6:26 How Narratives Change 8:20 Struggling With American Identity 13:20 Why Build a National Memory &amp; Legacy Museum 17:35 Why The Shelby County Decision Changed Everything 25:28 Why We've Gone Backwards 31:08 How DEI Caused Resentment 37:10 What Reparations Really Means 46:30 Why Am I Responsible For Previous Generations&rsquo; Suffering? 51:01 Rewriting History &amp; The Montgomery Bus Boycott 59:23 Could Brown v. Board Be Won Today? 1:04:45 Rev. James Lawson: Do Hard Things 1:12:17 Counter Narratives &amp; Censorship 1:17:54 Mass Incarceration and the Death Penalty 1:35:30 Should California Commute Its Death Row? 1:39:50 What Do You Say to Victims' Families? 1:45:38 Is There Any Reason For Hope?
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And, This Is How We Rectify Our Racial Legacy With Bryan Stevenson

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/f5ca4b53-9dc9-4b5a-a81b-b4d6006f1519/transcript

And, This is Aaron Parnas (Live on Substack!)

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