In this episode, James sits down with Carmen Joy Imes, an Old Testament scholar and author of Being God's Image: Why Creation Still Matters. They discuss the meaning and significance of the image of God to the life of the church and its members today.

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In this episode, James sits down with Carmen Joy Imes, an Old Testament scholar and author of Being God's Image: Why Creation Still Matters. They discuss the meaning and significance of the image of God to the life of the church and its members today.
To order Being God's Image: Why Creation Still Matters visit <a href="https://ivpress.com/">https://ivpress.com/</a>. You can use the code IVPPOD20 for 20% off your purchase.

Christians shouldn’t just think. They should think Christian. Join Dr. James Spencer and guests for calm, thoughtful, theological discussions about a variety of topics Christians face every day. The Thinking Christian Podcast will help you grow spiritually and learn theology as you seek to be faithful in a world that is becoming increasingly proficient at telling stories that deny Christ.

Find more from James at https://usefultogod.com/.

Christians shouldn’t just think. They should think Christian. Join Dr. James Spencer and guests for calm, thoughtful, theological discussions about a variety of topics Christians face every day. The Thinking Christian Podcast will help you grow spiritually and learn theology as you seek to be faithful in a world that is becoming increasingly proficient at telling stories that deny Christ.
Find more from James at <a href="https://usefultogod.com/">https://usefultogod.com/</a>.

Christians shouldn’t just think. They should think Christian. Join Dr. James Spencer and guests for calm, thoughtful, theological discussions about a variety of topics Christians face every day. The Thinking Christian Podcast will help you grow spiritually and learn theology as you seek to be faithful in a world that is becoming increasingly proficient at telling stories that deny Christ.

Thinking Christian: Clear Theology for a Confusing World

Christians shouldn’t just think. They should think Christian. Join Dr. James Spencer and guests for calm, thoughtful, theological discussions about a variety of topics Christians face every day. The Thinking Christian Podcast will help you grow spiritually and learn theology as you seek to be faithful in a world that is becoming increasingly proficient at telling stories that deny Christ.
Find more from James at <a href="https://usefultogod.com/">https://usefultogod.com/.</a>

Thinking about the Image of God: A Conversation with Carmen Joy Imes

In this episode of our German Reformation series, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Greg Quiggle pivot to one of the defining features of Protestant tradition: the Reformation Solas—and why they still matter for Christians today.

Rather than beginning with a list of “five solas,” Greg frames the Reformation around three theological questions that generated the solas:
What is the Church? (ecclesiology)
How am I saved / how do I stand before God? (soteriology)
Who or what has ultimate authority to define belief and practice? (authority)

From there, Greg explains the contrast between 16th-century Roman Catholic and 16th-century Protestant answers—especially the difference between church-as-organization (a hierarchical structure) and church-as-organism (the priesthood of all believers). That “priesthood” isn’t only about rights; it also includes responsibility—the idea that ministry is not a spectator sport, and that clergy exist chiefly to equip the saints through the Office of the Word.

The conversation then traces how the solas flow from these questions:
Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone as final authority)
Sola Fide (justification by faith alone)
Solus Christus (Christ alone)
and how these reshape Protestant ideas of salvation, grace, and the church’s mediating role.

James also presses into a key modern confusion: “Bible alone” does not mean “my interpretation alone.” Both hosts argue that the Reformation assumed a teaching office, catechesis, and doctrinal boundaries—something many modern churches have lost. They connect this to contemporary debates about faith as mere intellectual assent versus faith as a way of lifemarked by trust, repentance, and fidelity.

This episode includes discussion of:
The three Reformation questions behind the solas
Church as organism vs. church as organization
Priesthood of all believers: rights and responsibilities
The “Office of the Word” and why it still matters
Catholic sacramental mediation vs. Protestant justification by faith
Why authority (Sola Scriptura) is the “non-negotiable” dividing line
Faith as lived trust and repentance—beyond a one-time decision
Why modern American Protestant individualism isn’t the same as Reformation Protestantism

Quotelos Travel offers small, expert-led “Tours for Ten” that provide an intimate and unforgettable way to explore church history and culture with guides who truly know the locations. Learn more at quotelostravelservice.com, and check out their upcoming trips to Germany, England, and Switzerland.

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In this episode of our&nbsp;German Reformation&nbsp;series,&nbsp;Dr. James Spencer&nbsp;and&nbsp;Dr. Greg Quiggle&nbsp;pivot to one of the defining features of Protestant tradition: the&nbsp;Reformation Solas&mdash;and why they still matter for Christians today.
Rather than beginning with a list of &ldquo;five solas,&rdquo; Greg frames the Reformation around&nbsp;three theological questions&nbsp;that generated the solas:
<ol>
<li>What is the Church?&nbsp;(ecclesiology)</li>
<li>How am I saved / how do I stand before God?&nbsp;(soteriology)</li>
<li>Who or what has ultimate authority to define belief and practice?&nbsp;(authority)</li>
</ol>
From there, Greg explains the contrast between&nbsp;16th-century Roman Catholic&nbsp;and&nbsp;16th-century Protestant&nbsp;answers&mdash;especially the difference between&nbsp;church-as-organization&nbsp;(a hierarchical structure) and&nbsp;church-as-organism&nbsp;(the priesthood of all believers). That &ldquo;priesthood&rdquo; isn&rsquo;t only about rights; it also includes&nbsp;responsibility&mdash;the idea that ministry is not a spectator sport, and that clergy exist chiefly to&nbsp;equip the saints&nbsp;through the&nbsp;Office of the Word.
The conversation then traces how the solas flow from these questions:
<ul>
<li>Sola Scriptura&nbsp;(Scripture alone as final authority)</li>
<li>Sola Fide&nbsp;(justification by faith alone)</li>
<li>Solus Christus&nbsp;(Christ alone)</li>
<li>and how these reshape Protestant ideas of salvation, grace, and the church&rsquo;s mediating role.</li>
</ul>
James also presses into a key modern confusion: &ldquo;Bible alone&rdquo; does&nbsp;not&nbsp;mean &ldquo;my interpretation alone.&rdquo; Both hosts argue that the Reformation assumed a&nbsp;teaching office, catechesis, and doctrinal boundaries&mdash;something many modern churches have lost. They connect this to contemporary debates about faith as mere intellectual assent versus faith as a&nbsp;way of lifemarked by trust, repentance, and fidelity.
This episode includes discussion of:
<ul>
<li>The three Reformation questions behind the solas</li>
<li>Church as organism vs. church as organization</li>
<li>Priesthood of all believers: rights&nbsp;and&nbsp;responsibilities</li>
<li>The &ldquo;Office of the Word&rdquo; and why it still matters</li>
<li>Catholic sacramental mediation vs. Protestant justification by faith</li>
<li>Why authority (Sola Scriptura) is the &ldquo;non-negotiable&rdquo; dividing line</li>
<li>Faith as lived trust and repentance&mdash;beyond a one-time decision</li>
<li>Why modern American Protestant individualism isn&rsquo;t the same as Reformation Protestantism</li>
</ul>
Quotelos Travel offers small, expert-led &ldquo;Tours for Ten&rdquo; that provide an intimate and unforgettable way to explore church history and culture with guides who truly know the locations. Learn more at&nbsp;<a href="https://quotelostravelservice.com/">quotelostravelservice.com</a>, and check out their upcoming trips to Germany, England, and Switzerland.
Subscribe&nbsp;to our&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@Useful_toGod">YouTube channel</a>
🔗&nbsp;Download a free resource "Making Everyday Decisions So That God Gets the Glory" from Useful to God:<a href="https://www.usefultogod.com/">www.usefultogod.com</a>
To read James's article on this topic, check out his author page on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.christianity.com/author/james-spencer/">Christianity.com</a>.
📢 Stay Connected &amp; Keep Growing!
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Protestantism Isn’t Individualism: The Solas, Catechesis, and Authority (Greg Quiggle)

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In this episode of our German Reformation series, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Greg Quiggle begin exploring what happens after the attempt to reform the Catholic Church breaks down and the division becomes permanent: What does Protestantism look like under Luther once it’s no longer simply a reform movement?

The conversation opens with a key structural issue: the evolving relationship between church and state in early Protestant contexts. Greg explains that most Protestants still lived inside the world of Christendom—where church and state were distinct but not separate—operating like two authorities under one religious framework. That arrangement also clarifies a disturbing feature of the era: the execution of “heretics.” In the 16th century, the church might declare a person heretical, but it was the state that carried the sword—treating heresy as an act of political-religious destabilization and responding as “self-defense.”

From there, James and Greg move into the heart of the episode: the post-Reformation negotiation of identity. With the old Catholic structure breaking apart, Protestants faced a massive question:

What do we keep from 1,500 years of Christian practice—and what must go?

Greg frames the spectrum of Protestant responses:
Luther’s approach: keep as much as possible, removing only what clearly violates Scripture
Anabaptist/Radical approaches: jettison the entire Constantinian project, rejecting the church-state synthesis and attempting to rebuild from the New Testament alone

This clash didn’t remain theoretical. Greg explains how competing Protestant visions collided—sometimes violently—highlighting cases like Zurich where Anabaptists were condemned and executed under the authority of the city council after theological disputes (including disputes over baptism). The episode also touches on radical apocalyptic movements in Germany (including Münster and Thomas Müntzer), showing how social upheaval, plague trauma, and end-times expectations created fertile ground for charismatic extremism—and why Luther feared the Reformation could spiral beyond control.

James connects these dynamics to modern organizational realities: how policy tools (like catechesis) can become “passive instruments” when accountability structures fail, and why early Protestant instability wasn’t simply “denomination vs. denomination,” but often included fringe movements driven by chaos, charisma, and apocalyptic certainty.

The episode closes by returning to a critical constraint often overlooked today: mass illiteracy. “Bible alone” emerges in a world where most people cannot read, intensifying the importance—and vulnerability—of teaching authority, civic enforcement, and communal formation

Quotelos Travel offers small, expert-led “Tours for Ten” that provide an intimate and unforgettable way to explore church history and culture with guides who truly know the locations. Learn more at quotelostravelservice.com, and check out their upcoming trips to Germany, England, and Switzerland.

Subscribe to our YouTube channel

🔗 Download a free resource "Making Everyday Decisions So That God Gets the Glory" from Useful to God:www.usefultogod.com

To read James's article on this topic, check out his author page on Christianity.com.

📢 Stay Connected & Keep Growing!

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In this episode of our&nbsp;German Reformation&nbsp;series,&nbsp;Dr. James Spencer&nbsp;and&nbsp;Dr. Greg Quiggle&nbsp;begin exploring what happens&nbsp;after&nbsp;the attempt to reform the Catholic Church breaks down and the division becomes permanent:&nbsp;What does Protestantism look like under Luther once it&rsquo;s no longer simply a reform movement?
The conversation opens with a key structural issue: the evolving relationship between&nbsp;church and state&nbsp;in early Protestant contexts. Greg explains that most Protestants still lived inside the world of&nbsp;Christendom&mdash;where church and state were distinct but not separate&mdash;operating like two authorities under one religious framework. That arrangement also clarifies a disturbing feature of the era:&nbsp;the execution of &ldquo;heretics.&rdquo;&nbsp;In the 16th century, the church might declare a person heretical, but it was the&nbsp;state&nbsp;that carried the sword&mdash;treating heresy as an act of political-religious destabilization and responding as &ldquo;self-defense.&rdquo;
From there, James and Greg move into the heart of the episode: the post-Reformation negotiation of identity. With the old Catholic structure breaking apart, Protestants faced a massive question:
What do we keep from 1,500 years of Christian practice&mdash;and what must go?
Greg frames the spectrum of Protestant responses:
<ul>
<li>Luther&rsquo;s approach:&nbsp;keep as much as possible, removing only what clearly violates Scripture</li>
<li>Anabaptist/Radical approaches:&nbsp;jettison the entire Constantinian project, rejecting the church-state synthesis and attempting to rebuild from the New Testament alone</li>
</ul>
This clash didn&rsquo;t remain theoretical. Greg explains how competing Protestant visions collided&mdash;sometimes violently&mdash;highlighting cases like Zurich where Anabaptists were condemned and executed under the authority of the city council after theological disputes (including disputes over baptism). The episode also touches on radical apocalyptic movements in Germany (including M&uuml;nster and Thomas M&uuml;ntzer), showing how social upheaval, plague trauma, and end-times expectations created fertile ground for charismatic extremism&mdash;and why Luther feared the Reformation could spiral beyond control.
James connects these dynamics to modern organizational realities: how policy tools (like catechesis) can become &ldquo;passive instruments&rdquo; when accountability structures fail, and why early Protestant instability wasn&rsquo;t simply &ldquo;denomination vs. denomination,&rdquo; but often included fringe movements driven by chaos, charisma, and apocalyptic certainty.
The episode closes by returning to a critical constraint often overlooked today:&nbsp;mass illiteracy.&nbsp;&ldquo;Bible alone&rdquo; emerges in a world where most people cannot read, intensifying the importance&mdash;and vulnerability&mdash;of teaching authority, civic enforcement, and communal formation
Quotelos Travel offers small, expert-led &ldquo;Tours for Ten&rdquo; that provide an intimate and unforgettable way to explore church history and culture with guides who truly know the locations. Learn more at&nbsp;<a href="https://quotelostravelservice.com/">quotelostravelservice.com</a>, and check out their upcoming trips to&nbsp;Germany, England, and Switzerland.
Subscribe&nbsp;to our&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@Useful_toGod">YouTube channel</a>
🔗&nbsp;Download a free resource "Making Everyday Decisions So That God Gets the Glory" from Useful to God:<a href="https://www.usefultogod.com/">www.usefultogod.com</a>
To read James's article on this topic, check out his author page on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.christianity.com/author/james-spencer/">Christianity.com</a>.
📢 Stay Connected &amp; Keep Growing!
If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to&nbsp;subscribe&nbsp;to&nbsp;Thinking Christian&nbsp;so you never miss an insightful conversation!
This episode is sponsored by Trinity Debt Management.&nbsp;&ldquo;Whether we&rsquo;re helping people pay off their unsecured debt or offering assistance to those behind in their mortgage payments, Trinity has the knowledge and resources to make a difference. Our intention is to help people become debt-free, and most importantly, remain debt-free for keeps!" If your debt has you down, we should talk.&nbsp;Call us at&nbsp;1-800-793-8548&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="https://trinitycredit.org/">https://trinitycredit.org/</a>&nbsp;

Protestantism Under Luther: Authority, Chaos, and the Cost of “Bible Alone”

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In this episode of our German Reformation series, Dr. James Spencer and Dr. Greg Quiggle linger in Wittenbergbefore the Diet of Worms and Wartburg Castle to unpack the moment everyone knows—but few understand: Luther’s 95 Theses.

Greg begins with the real backstory: indulgence-selling tied to the fundraising machine behind the rebuilding of St. Peter’s Basilica and a chain of financial incentives involving an ambitious archbishop, borrowed money, and a gifted salesman—Johann Tetzel—whose catchy jingle promised liberation from purgatory at the drop of a coin. When Luther’s parishioners return with indulgences in hand, Luther doesn’t set out to start a revolution. He does what academics do: he drafts 95 points for debate and posts them publicly—more like a community bulletin board than a Hollywood act of defiance.

But the moment doesn’t stay local. Two forces amplify it:
A new technology: the printing press
A predictable catalyst: students who love promoting their professor

What was intended as a small-town disputation spreads rapidly, lands on the pope’s desk in Rome, and triggers a reaction Luther never expected—one that escalates through excommunication threats, imperial hearings, and eventually Luther’s dramatic stand before the emperor.

James and Greg then trace the chain reaction:
1519 (Leipzig Debate): authority begins shifting toward Scripture over popes/councils
1520 (papal bull): Luther publicly rejects Rome’s demand to recant
1521 (Diet of Worms): Luther expects debate; Rome demands recantation
Luther requests 24 hours, returns, and refuses to recant unless convinced by Scripture and plain reason
Luther leaves under “safe conduct,” is “kidnapped” by agents of Frederick the Wise, and hidden at Wartburg Castle as “Knight George”
In hiding, Luther produces a major turning point: his rapid German New Testament translation

From there, the conversation turns to a crucial clarification often missed today: Luther did not teach modern “private interpretation” as individual autonomy. He wanted Scripture accessible, yes—but not atomized. That’s why catechesisand the teaching office matter: a catechism functions as a faithful constraint that helps the church read Scripture with shared boundaries rather than endless fragmentation.

The episode closes by reframing the word Reformation itself: Luther never intended to create a new church. He aimed to reform the existing one—and the birth of Lutheran Protestant identity becomes, in many ways, an unintended necessity once Rome refuses the correction.

Quotelos Travel offers small, expert-led “Tours for Ten” that provide an intimate and unforgettable way to explore church history and culture with guides who truly know the locations. Learn more at quotelostravelservice.com, and check out their upcoming trips to Germany, England, and Switzerland.

Subscribe to our YouTube channel

🔗 Download a free resource "Making Everyday Decisions So That God Gets the Glory" from Useful to God:www.usefultogod.com

To read James's article on this topic, check out his author page on Christianity.com.

📢 Stay Connected & Keep Growing!

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This episode is sponsored by Trinity Debt Management. “Whether we’re helping people pay off their unsecured debt or offering assistance to those behind in their mortgage payments, Trinity has the knowledge and resources to make a difference. Our intention is to help people become debt-free, and most importantly, remain debt-free for keeps!" If your debt has you down, we should talk. Call us at 1-800-793-8548 | https://trinitycredit.org/ 

In this episode of our&nbsp;German Reformation&nbsp;series,&nbsp;Dr. James Spencer&nbsp;and&nbsp;Dr. Greg Quiggle&nbsp;linger in&nbsp;Wittenbergbefore the&nbsp;Diet of Worms&nbsp;and&nbsp;Wartburg Castle&nbsp;to unpack the moment everyone knows&mdash;but few understand:&nbsp;Luther&rsquo;s 95 Theses.
Greg begins with the real backstory:&nbsp;indulgence-selling&nbsp;tied to the fundraising machine behind the rebuilding of&nbsp;St. Peter&rsquo;s Basilica&nbsp;and a chain of financial incentives involving an ambitious archbishop, borrowed money, and a gifted salesman&mdash;Johann Tetzel&mdash;whose catchy jingle promised liberation from purgatory at the drop of a coin. When Luther&rsquo;s parishioners return with indulgences in hand, Luther doesn&rsquo;t set out to start a revolution. He does what academics do: he drafts&nbsp;95 points for debate&nbsp;and posts them publicly&mdash;more like a community bulletin board than a Hollywood act of defiance.
But the moment doesn&rsquo;t stay local. Two forces amplify it:
<ol>
<li>A new technology:&nbsp;the printing press</li>
<li>A predictable catalyst:&nbsp;students&nbsp;who love promoting their professor</li>
</ol>
What was intended as a small-town disputation spreads rapidly, lands on&nbsp;the pope&rsquo;s desk in Rome, and triggers a reaction Luther never expected&mdash;one that escalates through excommunication threats, imperial hearings, and eventually Luther&rsquo;s dramatic stand before the emperor.
James and Greg then trace the chain reaction:
<ul>
<li>1519 (Leipzig Debate):&nbsp;authority begins shifting toward Scripture over popes/councils</li>
<li>1520 (papal bull):&nbsp;Luther publicly rejects Rome&rsquo;s demand to recant</li>
<li>1521 (Diet of Worms):&nbsp;Luther expects debate; Rome demands recantation</li>
<li>Luther requests 24 hours, returns, and refuses to recant unless convinced by&nbsp;Scripture and plain reason</li>
<li>Luther leaves under &ldquo;safe conduct,&rdquo; is&nbsp;&ldquo;kidnapped&rdquo;&nbsp;by agents of&nbsp;Frederick the Wise, and hidden at&nbsp;Wartburg Castle&nbsp;as &ldquo;Knight George&rdquo;</li>
<li>In hiding, Luther produces a major turning point:&nbsp;his rapid German New Testament translation</li>
</ul>
From there, the conversation turns to a crucial clarification often missed today:&nbsp;Luther did not teach modern &ldquo;private interpretation&rdquo; as individual autonomy.&nbsp;He wanted Scripture accessible, yes&mdash;but not atomized. That&rsquo;s why&nbsp;catechesisand the&nbsp;teaching office&nbsp;matter: a catechism functions as a faithful constraint that helps the church read Scripture with shared boundaries rather than endless fragmentation.
The episode closes by reframing the word&nbsp;Reformation&nbsp;itself: Luther never intended to create a new church. He aimed to&nbsp;reform the existing one&mdash;and the birth of Lutheran Protestant identity becomes, in many ways, an unintended necessity once Rome refuses the correction.
Quotelos Travel offers small, expert-led &ldquo;Tours for Ten&rdquo; that provide an intimate and unforgettable way to explore church history and culture with guides who truly know the locations. Learn more at&nbsp;<a href="https://quotelostravelservice.com/">quotelostravelservice.com</a>, and check out their upcoming trips to&nbsp;Germany, England, and Switzerland.
Subscribe&nbsp;to our&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@Useful_toGod">YouTube channel</a>
🔗&nbsp;Download a free resource "Making Everyday Decisions So That God Gets the Glory" from Useful to God:<a href="https://www.usefultogod.com/">www.usefultogod.com</a>
To read James's article on this topic, check out his author page on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.christianity.com/author/james-spencer/">Christianity.com</a>.
📢 Stay Connected &amp; Keep Growing!
If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to&nbsp;subscribe&nbsp;to&nbsp;Thinking Christian&nbsp;so you never miss an insightful conversation!
This episode is sponsored by Trinity Debt Management.&nbsp;&ldquo;Whether we&rsquo;re helping people pay off their unsecured debt or offering assistance to those behind in their mortgage payments, Trinity has the knowledge and resources to make a difference. Our intention is to help people become debt-free, and most importantly, remain debt-free for keeps!" If your debt has you down, we should talk.&nbsp;Call us at&nbsp;1-800-793-8548&nbsp;|&nbsp;<a href="https://trinitycredit.org/">https://trinitycredit.org/</a>&nbsp;

Luther’s 95 Theses: What He Meant to Do—and What Actually Happened

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