Politicians and pundits love to talk about criminal justice reform and important progress has and continues to be made to root out racism and bias in law enforcement and sentencing. But according to a group of former long time felons and drug addicts who have over 400 arrests between them and over 150 years of combined incarceration, true criminal justice reform begins with accountability. True accountability they say is the essence of true compassion. Founder of The Other Side Academy, bestselling author and behavioral influence strategist Joseph Granny joins us on this special edition of "Therefore, what?"

<p>Politicians and pundits love to talk about criminal justice reform and important progress has and continues to be made to root out racism and bias in law enforcement and sentencing. But according to a group of former long time felons and drug addicts who have over 400 arrests between them and over 150 years of combined incarceration, true criminal justice reform begins with accountability. True accountability&nbsp;they say is the essence of true compassion. Founder of The Other Side Academy, bestselling author and behavioral influence strategist Joseph Granny joins us on this special edition of "Therefore, what?"</p>

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