In the halls of Congress or in press interviews, politicians go to great lengths to let us know what exactly it is that they are against. But what if we focused on what we are for?

In the halls of Congress or in press interviews, politicians go to great lengths to let us know what exactly it is that they are against. But what if we focused on what we are for?

Boyd Matheson interviews national and Utah state thought leaders on the issues that are shaping our world.

Therefore, what?

I know what you are against. But what are you for?

In a day when so-called leaders reign with iron-fisted, command and control, top-down approaches – Utah’s former governor says the fastest way to the top is bottom. Gary R. Herbert, who served 12 years as Utah’s 17th Governor shares vital lessons and critical strategies from his season of service. Lessons every leader should learn on this episode of “Therefore, what?” 

Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio's "Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson," Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at KSLNewsradio.com, or on the KSL Newsradio App, or on-demand as a podcast. Sign up for his weekly newsletter and follow him on Twitter. Produced by KellieAnn Halvorsen.

In a day when so-called leaders reign with iron-fisted, command and control, top-down approaches &ndash; <a href="https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/12/28/22202956/gov-gary-herbert-utah-governor-final-speech-2020-2021-covid-19-pandemic">Utah&rsquo;s former governor</a> says the fastest way to the top is bottom. <a href="https://twitter.com/govherbert?lang=en">Gary R. Herbert</a>, who served 12 years as Utah&rsquo;s 17th Governor shares vital lessons and critical strategies from his season of service. Lessons every leader should learn on this episode of &ldquo;<a href="https://pages.deseret.com/therefore-what">Therefore, what?</a>&rdquo;&nbsp;
Want more Boyd? Listen to<a href="https://kslnewsradio.com/category/insidesources/"> KSL Newsradio's "Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson</a>," Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at<a href="https://kslnewsradio.com/listen/"> KSLNewsradio.com</a>, or on<a href="https://www.ksl.com/?sid=40105236&amp;nid=256"> the KSL Newsradio App</a>, or <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/inside-sources-with-boyd-matheson">on-demand as a podcast</a>. <a href="https://deseret.us9.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=7967382bf9508bb5c21c89da8&amp;id=0511bba337">Sign up for his weekly newsletter</a> and follow him on <a href="https://twitter.com/BoydMatheson">Twitter.</a>&nbsp;Produced by<a href="https://kellieannhalvo.com/">&nbsp;KellieAnn Halvorsen</a>.

In a day when so-called leaders reign with iron-fisted, command and control, top-down approaches – Utah’s former governor says the fastest way to the top is bottom. Gary R. Herbert, who served 12 years as Utah’s 17th Governor shares vital lessons and critical strategies from his season of service. Lessons every leader should learn on this episode of “Therefore, what?”

Former Governor Gary R. Herbert on vital lessons and critical strategies from his season of service

America is more technologically connected than at any point in history. Yet, social capital seems to be in decline, political divisions run deep, communities are crumbling, and the country appears to be more narcissistic and fragmented than ever before. Robert Putnam, the Malkin Research Professor of Public Policy at Harvard University and author of Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community, and Shaylyn Romney Garrett, writer and founding contributor to Weave: The Social Fabric Project are co-authors of The Upswing: How America Came Together a Century Ago and How We Can Do It Again. Today with Boyd  they discuss if the answer to what ails society is found in the “We” of “We the people,” on this episode of "Therefore, What?”

Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio's "Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson," Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at KSLNewsradio.com, or on the KSL Newsradio App, or on-demand as a podcast. Sign up for his weekly newsletter and follow him on Twitter. Produced by KellieAnn Halvorsen. 

America is more technologically connected than at any point in history. Yet, social capital seems to be in decline, political divisions run deep, communities are crumbling, and the country appears to be more narcissistic and fragmented than ever before. <a href="http://robertdputnam.com/">Robert Putnam</a>, the Malkin Research Professor of Public Policy at Harvard University and author of<a href="http://bowlingalone.com/"> Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community</a>, and <a href="https://shaylynromneygarrett.com/about/">Shaylyn Romney Garrett,</a> writer and founding contributor to <a href="http://v">Weave: The Social Fabric Project</a>&nbsp;are co-authors of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Upswing-America-Together-Century-Again/dp/198212914X.">The Upswing: How America Came Together a Century Ago and How We Can Do It Again</a>. Today with Boyd&nbsp; they discuss if <a href="https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2021/1/7/22219266/capitol-riot-protest-trump-mike-pence-electoral-college-vote-certification">the answer to what ails society is found in the &ldquo;We&rdquo; of &ldquo;We the people</a>,&rdquo; on this episode of "<a href="https://pages.deseret.com/therefore-what">Therefore, What?</a>&rdquo;
Want more Boyd? Listen to<a href="https://kslnewsradio.com/category/insidesources/"> KSL Newsradio's "Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson</a>," Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at<a href="https://kslnewsradio.com/listen/"> KSLNewsradio.com</a>, or on<a href="https://www.ksl.com/?sid=40105236&amp;nid=256"> the KSL Newsradio App</a>, or <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/inside-sources-with-boyd-matheson">on-demand as a podcast</a>. <a href="https://deseret.us9.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=7967382bf9508bb5c21c89da8&amp;id=0511bba337">Sign up for his weekly newsletter</a> and follow him on <a href="https://twitter.com/BoydMatheson">Twitter</a>. Produced by<a href="https://kellieannhalvo.com/">&nbsp;KellieAnn Halvorsen</a>.&nbsp;

America is more technologically connected than at any point in history. Yet, social capital seems to be in decline, political divisions run deep, communities are crumbling, and the country appears to be more narcissistic and fragmented than ever before. Robert Putnam, the Malkin Research Professor of Public Policy at Harvard University and author of Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community, and Shaylyn Romney Garrett, writer and founding contributor to Weave: The Social Fabric Project are co-authors of The Upswing: How America Came Together a Century Ago and How We Can Do It Again. Today with Boyd  they discuss if the answer to what ails society is found in the “We” of “We the people,” on this episode of "Therefore, What?”

Robert Putnam and Shaylyn Romney Garrett on, The Upswing: How America Came Together a Century Ago and How We Can Do It Again

When discussing foreign relations, national security, and America's role in the world, conversations tend to drift towards words like might strength, weapons, sanctions, and capability. What if that clearly narcissistic approach was actually making international matters worse? And what if the better approach was centered in empathy? Would anyone believe it? or listen to it? Former National Security Adviser HR McMaster makes the case for strategic empathy on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio's "Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson," Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at KSLNewsradio.com, or on the KSL Newsradio App, or on-demand as a podcast. Sign up for his weekly newsletter and follow him on Twitter.

When discussing foreign relations, national security, and America's role in the world, conversations tend to drift towards words like might strength, weapons, sanctions, and capability. What if that clearly narcissistic approach was actually making international matters worse? And what if the better approach was centered in empathy? Would anyone believe it? or listen to it? <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Battlegrounds-Fight-Defend-Free-World/dp/0062899465">Former National Security Adviser HR McMaster makes the case for strategic empathy</a> on this episode of "Therefore, What?"
Want more Boyd? Listen to<a href="https://kslnewsradio.com/category/insidesources/"> KSL Newsradio's "Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson</a>," Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at<a href="https://kslnewsradio.com/listen/"> KSLNewsradio.com</a>, or on<a href="https://www.ksl.com/?sid=40105236&amp;nid=256"> the KSL Newsradio App</a>, or <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/inside-sources-with-boyd-matheson">on-demand as a podcast</a>. <a href="https://deseret.us9.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=7967382bf9508bb5c21c89da8&amp;id=0511bba337">Sign up for his weekly newsletter</a> and follow him on <a href="https://twitter.com/BoydMatheson">Twitter.</a>

When discussing foreign relations, national security, and America's role in the world, conversations tend to drift towards words like might strength, weapons, sanctions, and capability. What if that clearly narcissistic approach was actually making international matters worse? And what if the better approach was centered in empathy? Would anyone believe it? or listen to it? Former National Security Adviser HR McMaster makes the case for strategic empathy on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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