Don't Have a Wedding on a Plantation

Published Sep 22, 2020, 10:27 PM

Jade Magnus Ogunnaike from the Color of Change explains their work to get major wedding websites like Zola and Pinterest to change how they deal with plantations as wedding venues. 

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There are No Girls on the Internet. As a production of I Heart Radio and Unbossed Creative, I'm Bridget Todd, and this is there are no girls on the Internet. As a woman of a certain age, I've gotten to my fair share of weddings over the years. I'm also getting married myself, or at least I was until COVID and now who even knows. But that means I have seen no fewer than a dozen wedding websites listing outdated wedding cliches to avoid things like serving drinks in Mason jars, which I'm sorry to say, I still think it's kind of charming, A sort of a five thousand married adults by the Wedding Inbox found that certain old fashioned wedding traditions are now falling out of favor in our evolving world. Take the expectation that a bride's dad will always pick up the tab. Not only is this totally heteronormative, but it's also a norm that a lot of people do not stick to anymore. Today, more than four out of ten couples share the cost of weddings between both families, and take throwing rice at the happy couple after the ceremony. Even though Snopes found the whole birds, eat rice and die thing as a myth, rice can be annoying to clean up. So now many couples have turned alternatives like blowing bubbles. So, just like anything else, wedding traditions evolved over the years, which brings me to one wedding element that definitely needs to be left in the past, and that is the plantation wedding. I know what you might be thinking, who would actually want to have a wedding on a plantation a side of brutalization and torture of black enslaved people. But I'm from the South and I can tell you it happens. A list celebrities, Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds had their two thousand and twelve wedding at Boone Plantation in South Carolina, the filming location for the film The Notebook. It was also the site where, according to one record, eight five enslaved black people were brutalized while being forced to harvest cotton, pecans and producing brick. Here's an upbeat tour video from the website Southern Weekend. It also has breathtaking grounds, which are a popular wedding venue. And it features a truly spectacular home built in the nineteen thirties. I mean they could have at least put the music in a minor key right now. At the time, Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds their wedding got so much positive press for being romantic and beautiful. Blake Lively and Ryan Reynold's married where the notebook was filmed. Us Magazine gushed. People Magazine's headline added at the couple tied the knot in a super romantic location, but now the couple regrets it. They've since had another ceremony and donated money to the a CP. It's impossible to reconcile. What we saw at the time was a wedding venue on Pinterest. What we saw after was a place built on devastating tragedy. Ryan Minnold said in an interview, it's no surprise the couple say they fell in love with the venue on Pinterest. For most people, the first step in planning a wedding is searching websites like Pinterest, Zola, and Wedding Wire, and up until last year, these sites allowed plantations to be advertised on their platforms as charming in nostalgic landmarks of a genteel, bygone era instead of somber reminders of the brutality of slavery. That is, until the civil rights organization Color of Change stepped in. They worked with popular wedding platforms like Pinterest, The Not and Wedding Wire to develop new guidelines to stop the promotion of wedding content that romanticizes former slave plantations. And this fits squarely within Color of Changes understanding that part of making change involves sparking cultural shifts in people's minds, in this case, getting them to stop thinking about slavery from a white centered lens. It's worked that Jade to spend her entire young adult life getting ready for My name is Jade Magnus Ogenaki. I'm the senior director of the Media, Culture and Economic Justice team at Color of Change. So how does one get a job that involves getting wedding websites to rethink plantations? First? I went to Howard University UM, which is, you know, sort of like hogbed for discussions around political activism and black identity. I went to Howard UM, and you know, I was at Howard during what I call like the Black youth movement of the tent. You know, this is when Trayvon Martin was killed. It was such a big turning point for so many of us UM. And this is when you have organizations like I P one hundred and Dream Defenders UM UH coming to the forefront UM. And so I was a founding member of BYP one hundred UM. I think, I don't know. I was a junior in college, or maybe the summer between my junior and senior year UM. And immediately after UM, I wanted to get an organizing job. And you know, quite a few people that I respected UM had worked in the labor movement UM. And so I went to go work in labor organizing low wage workers for two years UM, which was you know, the best sort of education that you can get UM and the strongest organizing training possible UM. And you know, I was getting married at the end of those two years. And with labor you're required to do such a lot of travel UM. And so I was looking for a job that didn't require as much travel UM and had a friend who worked at Color of Change. It happened to be UM sort of interviewing at the same time I was looking for a job, and it fell into place. UM. I started Entry Local a Color of Change four years ago, UM as a campaign manager, and I've been here ever since. So you mentioned getting married earlier. That was one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you. I happen to know from social media that you had a big, beautiful wedding not that long ago. Congratulations. Uh did you use wedding planning websites like Zola and Pinterest And what was that experience like for you planning your wedding. I got engaged and married actually quite young for the current modern era that we're in now, UM, And so yeah, I was totally overwhelmed. You know, first of all, I was quite you know, I didn't have a lot of money when I was planning my wedding, and so you know, you're looking at all of these wedding websites, buying all the magazines, listening to all the podcast you know about how to plan a wedding. UM. And you know, actually, during this sort of wedding planning was the first time I'd ever heard of a plantation wedding. UM. I'm from Los Angeles. We don't have relics to American slavery in the same way that you might have and like the South or the East. Um. And I went to college in d C, so you know, they're not a ton of plantations in d C, although there are some and you know the sort of broader DMB area. Um. Yeah, that was sort of the first time I had ever kind of seen the plantation weddings thing, and I thought it was just, you know, above all super duper weird. Um. But I know now that it's sort of like a it's a cultural touch dome for a lot of people in the South. So yeah, I grew up in the South. I'm from Virginia and I've never attended a wedding on a plantation, but I definitely bedn't been invited to them. Um. I do think there's this sort of unstated norm that, like you, if you're from the health what like, it's a thing that happens. I think that people don't really question it that much. It's just kind of becomes part of Southern culture and it becomes one of those things that people don't kind of making themselves ask any kind of critical questions about it, be critical of because it's just part of being raised in the South. It shouldn't be terribly surprising that when some people think of plantations, they think of romantic tree line paths, elegant porches, and hey, this would be a great place for a wedding. We've removed these sites so far from their actual histories and the legacies of the enslaved people who lived and died there, and a lot of people in the South grow up not really thinking critically about the legacy of slavery and the way it's built into the landscape in the South. Visiting my parents in Virginia involves a drive down a highway still named after Jefferson Davis, the former president of the Confederacy, and to get to my high school, I drove down Monument Avenue every single day, line with statutes of Confederate soldiers like Roberty Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and I never even really have to think about it. Until I was an adult, I learned about a sanitized, friendly version of slavery and the Civil War. And I'm not kidding. Our elementary school even had Civil War Day every year for all the kids would either dress out as Confederate or Union soldiers and recreate a march on the schoolyard. Now j grew up across the country in California, and she grew up learning about the missions outpost built by Spain and California in the late seventeen hundreds where Indigenous people were forcibly relocated from their traditional homes in the name of colonialism and Christianity. In California, we have like missions which who are essentially like torture sites for Native American in genious people. Right, And like in school you go and visit the missions in third grade in Los Angeles Unified School District? Do you build a mission? Right? So there are all of these sorts of ways that um, human atrocities, UM like slavery are sort of built into our culture, built into our psyche, and you know they're so um normalized that it's you know, you don't think about it all because just something you've grown up with. Yeah, it's it's really really interesting. So tell me more about how the idea to get wedding websites to stop romance assassin plantations became a reality. Yeah. So I had just come back I had a baby in what years at nineteen and so just come back from maternity leave, um, and was talking to some colleagues. Uh, one of our researchers, Issha Ramana John UM. You know, I was talking about at shared an article I think about plantation weddings UM, and so she was, you know, she was like, you know what if we targeted you know, obviously this is something that's not right. You know what if we targeted UM wedding planners UM. And so you know, thinking about like sort of the strategy or you know, for like how we can really affect change. Right, It's like we could target wedding planners UM. But there's not necessarily like a wedding planners association, you know, that's like mandatory for wedding parters to you know, be a part of in order to plan weddings. From my own experience planning a wedding, I knew that sort of like the big engines in wedding wedding planning UM, where these like UM platforms, a lot of them started as magazines, print publications and then transitioned to UM to online digital publications UM. And so I sort of I knew already, you know, the big ones I knew then. I knew Wedding Wire, I knew Zola who had you know, begun doing this like um uh, quite visible publicity campaign on the New York subways at the exact same time as this is happening about how they're sort of like a non traditional modern wedding platform um Martha Stewart's Weddings Brides. And so I was like, I love the idea around plantation weddings, especially because this is something that you know, we talked about in black community all the time. I'm sure if you search plantation weddings, you know on Twitter for the past ten years, there's been sort of like cyclical conversations about them like how crazy is this? Why is this allowed? Etcetera. Um, And so I was like, I brought together Easha and I brought together our campaign manager at the time, a Monty Brown, and was like, let's sit down and let's target these wedding website platforms. And they are the ones to go after because they're the ones, you know, curating this vision and this aesthetic around what a wedding should be. Implantations are largely a really really big part of that aesthetic. And you know, the more we sort of went into the research, you know, the darker it kind of became. Um. So yeah, that's sort of how I got started. We you know what, we we sent out letters to all of the platforms are just named. Um. Two of them got back to us, uh, the not On Wedding Choir and Pinterest and so you know, I think the first meeting we had was with Pinterest, with Ifoma Zelma, who is an incredible She used to be at Pinterest and you know they treated her and other black employees really poorly, and you know she left quite publicly this year, um um. And if Fomo, you know, was just such a champion of this cause you know, she was like, as a black woman, I you know, it's not just about my job, It's about like what is important for my reputation and ethics and this is not okay. It's not okay that we pushed this sort of plantation aesthetic on the platform. And so what they did was they removed keywords. Um, you were unable to search a list of plantation related key words. And then we met with the Knot and Wedding Wire and you know that was a longer set of conversations. Um uh. But you know we also came to sort of uh an agreement which we developed some guidelines around what was able to be put on the website, so you know, they agree to no longer feature um, you know they'll do like listicles or features of weddings. They would no longer do original content featuring plantation weddings, which I thought was you know, a big deal. And the second piece that they did, which I thought was really really important, was they went they had a team who went through the directory and sort of cold descriptions. You know, they removed words like antebellum, they removed towards um that sort of played on the history of slavery. You know, they're probably the most disturbing part of this whole thing is that what we found was that, um, it's not only that uh, slavery was a part of this sort of project, right, It's like and some of the cabins they would advertise slave cabins that had been there since the sevent hundreds, And to me, I'm just like, so, why on earth would you want to get married, you know, next to places where people were beaten and abused and tortured and enslaved and sexually assaulted. Jade's team found that wedding websites used terms like romantic, charming and elegant to describe plantations, but obviously any romantization of plantation life, it's just artifice to make it seem more charming and less like a torture site, and even weirder, like a copy of something that never really existed in the first place. Some wedding venues in the South were built well after slavery ended, but we're designed to look like plantations and call themselves plantations even though they were never actually working plantations. What do you gain from calling your wedding venue that never housed enslaved people a plantation? And what exactly are you trying to capitalize on by using that word to sell your venue to prospective couples. BOBBYA. Sorrow owned Southern Oaks Plantation in New Orleans East. It has never been a real plantation, built only in the sixties to look like one. The lighting, the pillows, the sofas, We did all of that to give it a more updated look. It just goes to show how deeply the marketing around the fantasy of plantations and slavery as symbols of nostalgia and elegance is intertwined with the American South. What we found was there were quite a few venue who actually had never taken part. There had never been you know, enslaved people on the grounds. But they were also marketing this plantation fantasy, which you know, I hadn't realized was such a big part of so many American psyche And it's this idea that you know, in the Antebello himself for the Civil War when black people were enslaved, this was a great time of gentility and grace, right, And so that is the aesthetic that these wedding website platforms were playing on, and that you know, so many people plan um weddings around. For me, when I hear about you know, pre Civil War, I think of pain, I think of great I think of abuse, I think of torture. Um. But for a lot of people, that's not what they think of. They think of a better time um. And so that part and that piece was you know, it was quite jarring to realize that, you know, a lot of what these plantations were doing was they were marketing slavery um as sort of a draw for a romantic place to get married. Um. Immediately after, you know, we had an exclusive with buzz Feed that came out around uh the NA and wedding Wire and pinterest. You know, making these big changes would have been so interesting. Was that you know, we sent when we initially sent a letter to Zola, for example, we had sent a list of examples, UM. And so I had just happened to be checking up on the website, you know, just one evening and went to Zola's website and they had pulled all of the mentions of plantations from the website, but they hadn't replied to us at all. And you know, that was a problem for a couple of reasons. The number one thing is that we're actually not interested at color and a color of change and people sort of just like pulling things and you know, doing like quick fixes. We want people to make commitments and change policies and rules moving forward. So yeah, it's great that you couldn't search plantation at the time that I was on Zola's website. But the problem actually is is that you know, there's no policy around it moving forward. So if someone puts if a plantation, then you put something up the next day it could be featured. UM. And as I said earlier, I had was taking the subway to work every day and noticing that Zola had these all of these ads about how they were so progressive and modern and a you know, a wedding platform for a new sort of partners, and yet they were totally you know, they were totally unwilling to make you know, they were unwilling to respond to us um and make these sort of policy changes, which is just you know, a way that things are. You know, companies are so incongruent in marketing and the actual policies that they enact. Um. And so when the BuzzFeed article came out, so I said, yes, we're not taking anything down. You know, we're not making any policies. You know, we agree that this is you know, we agree that people should be able to put up whatever they want. A couple hours later, the New York Times in an article around it, and then that few hours zola Um made a commitment in the New York Times article to no longer feature them. So you know, that was sort of a full circle moment. Brides and Martha Stewart's weddings also made these commitments as well, um to you know, when the articles came out to no longer future plantation weddings content. So that was a big deal. You know, it was a really meaningful moment. It's interesting to see that it took that kind of high profile public pressure. That's originally they were sort of not responsive, but in the New York Times right to that they seem to have changed there too pretty quickly. You know. It just shows you know, what we've seen, I think even since the George Floyd protests, is that outward communications are one thing. What a corporation puts out to the world is one thing, and what they do behind the scenes with their own employees with the content that they push out is a totally different thing. You know, we saw so many corporations, you know. Color of Change also has a sort of camp ub called Beyond the Statement, which is about how we've seen so many corporations say, oh, black lives not all right. But you know, when you look at their companies, they're paying their low wage workers who are disproportionately black, you know, ten dollars an hour. It just doesn't add up, you know. And so for you know, the plantation, weddings content um as well as just beyond the statement stuff. It's important that black people matter in life um as much as they matter in death. You know, it's important that um our ancestors um the pain and the torture that they went through is respected, you know, And that was a big piece of this plantation weddings campaign is that these are sacred sites. These are sites where human atrocities took place. Planting more trees and you know, pointing to the beautiful architecture does not change the fact that these are places. There's not like slavery just happened there. They have put the plantations were built to how slavery. You know, it's very intentional what was happening. Let's take a quick break center back wedding websites. Not romanticizing plantations may seem like a small change, but sometimes a small concrete action can lead to a wider, more meaningful cultural shift and individual people's attitudes. And even if you've never really thought about why having a wedding on a plantation is a a great idea, platforms like Pinterest, not romanticizing plantation weddings can create a larger shift and how everyone thinks about slavery and the way it shows up in our culture. This is not new work for Color of Change. In addition to more traditional activism around social change, they also work to create change using popular culture in the wake of protest around police killings. For instance, they work to have television shows that glorify policing as an entertainment device, like Cops and Life p D taken off the air. You mentioned some of the other work that Color of Change is involved in, and I like that. In addition to sort of some of the more traditional things that we think of in terms of demanding accountability, Color of Change also tries to create change through leading on these cultural things. So you know, like the plantation weddings. I guess why is that so important in conjunction with some of the more traditional ways that you might think of as getting justice. Um, also pushing forward these cultural changes and getting people to sort of rethink their own attitudes around how they understand and that you know, deal with black black both. Yeah. You know, culture is a really really big piece of of Color of Changes in work. It always has been, you know, from us sort of like getting Glen Beck, um, getting Glenbeck Show advertisers to pull out years ago to you know, our work this year to get Cops in Live p D off the air. Um. The culture work is is really important and you know, black people, uh, we are you know, the culture creators in this country, right, Um, And I you know, I really view our culture work as like not only uplifting and centering and claiming black culture, which we do through a lot in our like Hollywood work and our storytelling work, but it's also about supplanting like the white centered cultural symbols that really harm us. You know. Um, I'm sure so many of you know this like plantation weddings thing leads into like such a larger problem, right, which is the way that slavery is taught in schools and the ways that people think about it. I mean, we had a few years ago, um, a textbook company you know, put out a textbook that said slavery is was essentially like compared to being an intern. Right. And so because um, the true stripe slavery has been neutralized in so many ways. Um. You know, I think if people were really new in detail the sort of things that happened on plantations outside of like you know, maybe viewing twelve years a slave, you know, we're seeing glory, I think they would really think twice about revering these sorts of symbols, you know. Um. Yeah, it's the cultural work is incredibly important because UM, culture shapes policy. Right. And you know, we see the movement of the past ten years, you know, as I said, the Black youth movement, UM. Um, we see how over time, you know, black organizers and black groups shifted the culture where you know, you're and it's it is no longer contraver or should say black lives matter, right, you couldn't say that though, in it was quite a controversial thing to say. UM. And so we see that culture like you know, prime the environment UM for you know, the policies and changes that need to happen. UM. And you know, culture work is also it's important. And you know material, you know, the work that affects the material conditions also matters a whole lot too. UM. And what I love about CC is it's not one of the other. We're definitely concerned with both and moving campaigns on both on both uh, in both areas. Definitely. Do you feel that the work that you did getting these wedding websites touch touch changes the way they talk about slavery was a successful, um, a successful example of that kind of cultural shift that you're describing. Yeah, And you know, I think it's also what's so important about having you know, black leaders, you know, at a at a powerful organization. You know, black organizations really matter, UM. And this is something that we took up because we knew how important it was. We you know, so many of us maybe have been invited to a wedding UM or you know, or been on a plantation tour as a child, you know, in school and sort of felt deeply uncomfortable with the ways that our ancestors were disrespected UM and the pain and the torture that they went through was not respected UM. And so yeah, I think it was an incredibly meaningful moment. Did the website who changed their policies around plantations faced any kind of criticism or blowback. One of the most interesting things, honestly that I found was that, you know, there was quite a bit you know, I think a lot of people love to play the devil's advocate and sort of comments on articles and things. But when we were talking to the not in Wedding wire UMU the following January. This all happened in November. So talking to them the following January, I asked, have you have you all received any like blowback or criticism? They said none at all. Right, So this none no one has said anything wrong. We haven't had our inbolx. You know, no one's anything in our inbox. It has been a decision that people like totally agree makes sense um. And so for me that was such like a validating moment um. You know, for a lot of corporations, don't you know, they make or don't make decisions um based on perceived what people what will people say? Right, and you know, they have this idea in their minds sort of the same way that you know, UH, candidates for office had this idea in their mind of like the standard American right, which is you know, an extremely white conservative person um, when the truth of the matter is that you know, people have diversity of thought. The past ten years has shifted the way that people think um around issues of justice, and in such a large way that you know, this was sort of a needed next step more than you know, an earth shaking you know, Brown versus Board of Education decision. So I read a lot of angry comments saying that you all were trying to have plantations destroyed or burned down or closed, and there's really no truth in that literal only we never said that, you know, like that's me was the most shocking thing. I'm like, oh my gosh, Like we we literally didn't say anything to plantations at all. We're not trying to. You know. What we have found through talking to quite a few black historians and curiators who actually work on these plantations is what we really need is for federal and state governments to invest money um in these plantations and and keep them as like museums. Right, they need to be designated as designated as historical places and places of note, and so they can get funding so that they can be kept open. What we want is for people to hear the actual history of what happened. What we don't want is someone uh dancing a baby got back on the grave of it. It's like, you know, that's what But we want these we want plantations to stay open as as memorials to the pain and suffering that that the American people in the American government, Black Americans. That is what we want more after Okay, right, let's get right back to it. So how should we think about plantations still standing today? Jade says. Part of the process involves reimagining our current understanding of how plantations are used and the role they should play in our culture going forward, and some plantations are doing that kind of work already. At Belle Mead Plantation in Nashville, tour guide Bridget Jones realized the tour focused mostly on wineries and the lavish weddings that took place there, so she left her job, went to grad school to get a master's degree, and became the plantations first ever director of African American Studies. She now works to uncover never before seeing histories of the plantation and incorporates them into the plantations stores. Once I got promoted, I was like, this is the moment for the snarrative the slaves to really come to the full for it now an abs and of the kind of government funding Jade was describing earlier, a few plantations still need to do weddings and events to make money to fund the kind of turation work that Bridget Jones does a bell Mead. There are a lot of black historians on plantations who are doing really really incredible work. UM. But what we, like I said, what we found from talking to them is that UM, in order to pay their salaries, a lot of time they the plantations do have to be open for events right, and so um, I would say that's in the minority, right, Like, not every plantation is trying to do this, like you know, incredible truth telling history. That's that's not the reality for most of them, But there are a few where black historians and curators are on the premises and maybe you know, in order to to sort of keep the plantation open forward to tell this true history, they do need to have um, they need to have weddings in order to bring in income. And this is why reimagining the role that plantations plan our culture is so important right now, plantations santata or at least compartmentalize the history of what actually happened on plantations in order to appeal to couples looking for a romantic wedding venue. And for a small number of those plantations like Belle Meade, that money goes into paying for curation that tells the truth about slavery. But if we were able to designate and preserve plantations as historical landmarks, they'd be funded as such, which means they wouldn't need to rely on sanitizing the legacy of slavery and the literal song of dance of the wedding industry to stay open, we could have a real chance at using plantations to properly educate people about and memorialize slavery. The Whitney Plantation and Museum in Louisiana is the only plantation in the state with an exclusive focus on the lives of enslaved people. Here's their current founder, John Cummings. You can't rewrite history, but we can correct some of the evils of history, and the number one tool that we have education. They went viral the summer for a social media post explaining why they would never hold a wedding, writing, our tour has always focused on the brutal labor and stolen freedom of those that created vast economic wealth for the enslaving families. We do not glamorize the big house or the grounds. In addition to our mission to educate visitors and the larger community about slavery and its legacies. This is a site of memory and reference. So what if that was the popular understanding of the role of plantations in today's culture, Not whitewashing them and selling them as romantic sites of a bygone era for happy couples, but an actual place to memorialize and come to terms with the true legacy of slavery until then, something we can all do right now is spend time reflecting critically about the ways the legacy of slavery shows up in our culture and our lives. We saw a very famous couple, Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds. They had a wedding on a plantation. They later apologized for it and donated money too, I think the end of ACP and had a different, smaller ceremony later on. What do you say to someone who maybe had a plantation wedding, maybe they didn't think about the implications of doing it. What's what is your like, how should they be thinking about their wedding going forward or what? What would you tell them? Well, first of all, the thing that's so strange about the Blake light of your Brian reynoldson is he's Canadian and she's from l A. So really confused about like why they want to have a wedding on a plantation. It's not a cultural touchdone for either of them. Um. Um, that thing, that piece has always really kind of disturbed me, Like need of them have ties, you know, to plantations, So I thought that was really weird. Um, you know, you know, and I think reflecting on the experience and taking something away from it is enough. You know. I don't think they need to renounce their wedding or burn the photo books, right, Um. But I think in general, um, transformative reflection. Reflection can be really really transformative, and I think undergoing that process is import it in I'm not gonna say, oh, now, make a donation of color change you have the wedding all planet. I mean, it would be nice, Uh, but you know that that's not what we're looking for. We're looking, you know, we're looking for people to really look deeply and look inward about the ways that they have you know, perpetuated, um, the legacy of slavery, you know. And that is one way, but there are plenty of other ways. Um. You know, maybe you go to it, maybe your kid goes to a high school where they seeing Dixie. You know, like, these are the things to be reflecting on and looking for other ways that the legacy of slavery shows up in your life, um, in ways that maybe not may not be respectful or reverential. When Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds first spoke out about their wedding with regret, I have to admit I was a little skeptical. How could they only now be realizing this wasn't a respectful thing to do, I wondered. But honestly, it's never too late for anyone to start thinking critically about the role slavery place in our culture and history. Maybe as individuals, we can't turn restill Standing Plantation into a site for respectful education about slavery, but we can work to unpack our own roles in honoring the legacy of enslaved people that our country was built on. Got a story about an interesting thing in tech, or just want to say hi, You can be just at Hello at tangodi dot com. You can also find transcripts for today's episode at tangdi dot com. There Are No Girls on the Internet was created by me Bridget Tod. It's a production of iHeart Radio and Unboss creative Jonathan Strickland as our executive producer. Terry Harrison is our producer and sound engineer. Michael Amato is our contributing producer. I'm your host, bridget Tod. If you want to help us grow, rate and review us on Apple Podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, check out the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

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