Mark Leslie, an author drawn to chills and thrills since childhood, has built his writing career by exploring the shadows of fear and death. His stories often begin with the very anxieties that once haunted him, turning them into explorations of empathy and the unknown. Through both fiction and true ghost tales, Leslie invites readers to face the darkness. And perhaps find connection within it.

Key Takeaways

1. Mark Leslie explores how his personal fears, particularly fear of the dark and the unknown, have fueled his imagination and writing. Instead of shying away from what scares him, he uses these emotions to inspire stories that allow readers to safely engage with and reflect on their own anxieties. Horror, in this sense, becomes both a form of entertainment and a coping mechanism—a way to confront and reframe the things we fear most.

2. Both Genevieve and Mark discuss the dual nature of death: it's something people fear and avoid talking about, yet are perpetually drawn to in stories and entertainment. Death fascinates us because it is inevitable and mysterious. Exploring it through fiction and museums can demystify and even comfort us, offering a chance to understand and make peace with the unknown.

3. A significant point is the role of fiction and storytelling in fostering empathy. Reading about or experiencing the world through another character’s perspective—even a "villain" or social outcast—helps readers develop compassion and understanding for others. Mark notes that readers of fiction often become more empathetic, because stories let us walk in someone else’s shoes, even if only for a while.

4. The conversation delves into how both funeral professionals and authors face stereotypes—such as ideas about what a mortician should look like or assumptions about the "scary" nature of both their professions. By inviting people into their worlds (whether through literature or museum experiences), they challenge these preconceptions, encourage open-mindedness, and reveal underlying humanity and depth.

5. Themes of unfinished business, legacy, and the afterlife recur throughout the discussion. There’s exploration of whether souls or spirits linger due to unfulfilled purposes, and reflection on how people remain present through memory, stories, and impact—touching on the concept of the "second death." Ultimately, the importance of striving for connection and understanding in life, and contemplating what we leave behind, are highlighted as universal human concerns.

Timestamped Overview

00:00 Phantom Itch: A Haunting Connection

05:24 Embracing Fear Through Entertaining Death

11:50 Exploring Unfinished Spiritual Connections

16:19 Childlike Wonder Preserved Through Writing

20:56 Dual Perspectives of Villainy

26:11 Reading Cultivates Empathy

34:03 The Joy of Giving

41:58 Explaining Death at Museums

44:43 Curious Nightmare: Halloween Skeleton Procession

50:01 "Missing A Breakaway Bestseller"

58:24 Creative Breakthroughs Through Diversions

59:27 Open Books, Open Minds

Plan your visit to the museum today at nmfh.org and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.

Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Learn more about Mark Leslie's work here!

Mark Leslie, an author drawn to chills and thrills since childhood, has built his writing career by exploring the shadows of fear and death. His stories often begin with the very anxieties that once haunted him, turning them into explorations of empathy and the unknown. Through both fiction and true ghost tales, Leslie invites readers to face the darkness. And perhaps find connection within it.
Key Takeaways
1. Mark Leslie explores how his personal fears, particularly fear of the dark and the unknown, have fueled his imagination and writing. Instead of shying away from what scares him, he uses these emotions to inspire stories that allow readers to safely engage with and reflect on their own anxieties. Horror, in this sense, becomes both a form of entertainment and a coping mechanism&mdash;a way to confront and reframe the things we fear most.
2. Both Genevieve and Mark discuss the dual nature of death: it's something people fear and avoid talking about, yet are perpetually drawn to in stories and entertainment. Death fascinates us because it is inevitable and mysterious. Exploring it through fiction and museums can demystify and even comfort us, offering a chance to understand and make peace with the unknown.
3. A significant point is the role of fiction and storytelling in fostering empathy. Reading about or experiencing the world through another character&rsquo;s perspective&mdash;even a "villain" or social outcast&mdash;helps readers develop compassion and understanding for others. Mark notes that readers of fiction often become more empathetic, because stories let us walk in someone else&rsquo;s shoes, even if only for a while.
4. The conversation delves into how both funeral professionals and authors face stereotypes&mdash;such as ideas about what a mortician should look like or assumptions about the "scary" nature of both their professions. By inviting people into their worlds (whether through literature or museum experiences), they challenge these preconceptions, encourage open-mindedness, and reveal underlying humanity and depth.
5.&nbsp;Themes of unfinished business, legacy, and the afterlife recur throughout the discussion. There&rsquo;s exploration of whether souls or spirits linger due to unfulfilled purposes, and reflection on how people remain present through memory, stories, and impact&mdash;touching on the concept of the "second death." Ultimately, the importance of striving for connection and understanding in life, and contemplating what we leave behind, are highlighted as universal human concerns.
Timestamped Overview
00:00 Phantom Itch: A Haunting Connection
05:24 Embracing Fear Through Entertaining Death
11:50 Exploring Unfinished Spiritual Connections
16:19 Childlike Wonder Preserved Through Writing
20:56 Dual Perspectives of Villainy
26:11 Reading Cultivates Empathy
34:03 The Joy of Giving
41:58 Explaining Death at Museums
44:43 Curious Nightmare: Halloween Skeleton Procession
50:01 "Missing A Breakaway Bestseller"
58:24 Creative Breakthroughs Through Diversions
59:27 Open Books, Open Minds
Plan your visit to the museum today at <a href="https://nmfh.org">nmfh.org</a> and take a journey through over 30,000 square feet of fascinating history.
Subscribe to The Final Curtain Never Closes on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-final-curtain-never-closes/id1664936967">Apple Podcasts</a>, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4x8VZuVdq5UQtnrY2b1IJS?si=b1c6ae4a9c744e0a">Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your <a href="https://www.nmfh.org/haunting-stories-of-the-museums-hometown/">podcasts</a>.
Learn more about Mark Leslie's work <a href="https://markleslie.ca">here</a>!

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.

This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.

Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at www.nmfh.org. 

And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.
This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.
Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at <a href="http://www.nmfh.org">www.nmfh.org</a>. 
And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The Final Curtain Never Closes

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.

This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.

Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at www.nmfh.org. 

And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

The National Museum of Funeral History presents The Final Curtain Never Closes, a podcast that tells the stories about the people behind our final rite of passage.
This series is part of the museum's larger mission to build and maintain a love of history and enriched understanding of our industry.
Virtual tours are available 24/7, but we'd love to see you in person. Plan your visit at <a href="http://www.nmfh.org/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.nmfh.org/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1674242839098000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1eUszxGGKNoJjKnYiXLWw6">www.nmfh.org</a>. 
And remember, any day above ground is a good one!

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