'I disagree with Einstein that the definition of insanity is doing things over and over again and expecting different results; to me that’s the definition of hope.’

On Thursday 17 March, designer, author and host of the award-winning podcast Design Matters Debbie Millman joined host Michaela Webb live on stage at the Wheeler Centre.

Design Matters is one of the world’s first breakthrough podcasts, and the first dedicated to design and the artistic mind. For fifteen years, Millman has interviewed the world’s most innovative creative thinkers. In her forthcoming book Why Design Matters, Millman collects 80 of her best interviews and pairs them with photographic portraits of the subjects – including Brené Brown, Malcolm Gladwell and Aminatou Sow. These intimate conversations with legends, truth tellers, trendsetters and visionaries offer insights into the craft of creativity, and what it can teach us about living well and loving openly.

Discussing Why Design Matters with Webb at this lunchtime event, Millman shared the lessons she’s learned from over 15 years interviewing the sharpest artistic minds in the world.

Debbie Millman: By Design was part of Melbourne Design Week 2022, an initiative of the Victorian Government in collaboration with the National Gallery of Victoria. This conversation is supported by the Australian Graphic Design Association and the Design Institute of Australia.

Featured music is ‘red orchard’ by JUSTNORMAL and FRUMHERE, courtesy of Epidemic Sound.

Photo by Tobias Titz. Photography courtesy of the NGV as part of Melbourne Design Week 2022.