Most Christians would say they know Jesus.

But what if we’ve misunderstood who He really is?

In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Mark E. Moore—teaching pastor at Christ’s Church of the Valley and bestselling author of Core 52—challenges one of the most foundational assumptions in modern faith: not whether we believe in Jesus, but whether we actually understand Him.

From his years as a New Testament professor to leading at one of the largest churches in the country, Mark brings clarity to a question that reshapes everything:

Have we reduced Jesus to something smaller than who He really is?

This conversation explores the tension between seeing Jesus as Savior versus recognizing Him as Messiah and King—and why that distinction changes how we live, lead, and follow Him today.

Guest Bio

Mark E. Moore is the teaching pastor at Christ’s Church of the Valley in Peoria, Arizona—one of the fastest-growing churches in the United States. He previously spent over 20 years as a New Testament professor at Ozark Christian College and is the bestselling author of Core 52. Mark is passionate about making Scripture accessible, clear, and transformative for everyday life. He and his wife, Barbara, live in Phoenix.

Episode Highlights
Are we missing the real Jesus?
How modern Christianity can unintentionally reshape Jesus into our own image
Savior vs. King: why it matters
What happens when we embrace Jesus as Savior but ignore His authority as Messiah
Why “personal faith” might be incomplete
Recovering the power of a shared, lived-out faith in community
The danger of a customized Jesus
How culture influences the way we interpret Scripture and identity
What it actually means to follow Jesus today
Moving from comfort to surrender—and from belief to embodied faith

Pull Quote

“IF YOU SEE JESUS ONLY AS SAVIOR, YOU’LL WAIT FOR HEAVEN SOMEDAY—INSTEAD OF LIVING ETERNAL LIFE RIGHT NOW.”

Helpful Links
Mark E. Moore Books: https://www.markmoore.org/
Christ’s Church of the Valley: https://ccv.church

Sponsor

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Most Christians would say they know Jesus.
But what if we&rsquo;ve misunderstood who He really is?
In this episode of The Walk: Faith in the Real World, Mark E. Moore&mdash;teaching pastor at Christ&rsquo;s Church of the Valley and bestselling author of Core 52&mdash;challenges one of the most foundational assumptions in modern faith: not whether we believe in Jesus, but whether we actually understand Him.
From his years as a New Testament professor to leading at one of the largest churches in the country, Mark brings clarity to a question that reshapes everything:
Have we reduced Jesus to something smaller than who He really is?
This conversation explores the tension between seeing Jesus as Savior versus recognizing Him as Messiah and King&mdash;and why that distinction changes how we live, lead, and follow Him today.
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Guest Bio
Mark E. Moore is the teaching pastor at Christ&rsquo;s Church of the Valley in Peoria, Arizona&mdash;one of the fastest-growing churches in the United States. He previously spent over 20 years as a New Testament professor at Ozark Christian College and is the bestselling author of Core 52. Mark is passionate about making Scripture accessible, clear, and transformative for everyday life. He and his wife, Barbara, live in Phoenix.
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Episode Highlights
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<li data-section-id="r4ylgv" data-start="2099" data-end="2256">Are we missing the real Jesus? How modern Christianity can unintentionally reshape Jesus into our own image</li>
<li data-section-id="hnibfn" data-start="2258" data-end="2382">Savior vs. King: why it matters What happens when we embrace Jesus as Savior but ignore His authority as Messiah</li>
<li data-section-id="wk976n" data-start="2384" data-end="2499">Why &ldquo;personal faith&rdquo; might be incomplete Recovering the power of a shared, lived-out faith in community</li>
<li data-section-id="1hj2eve" data-start="2501" data-end="2612">The danger of a customized Jesus How culture influences the way we interpret Scripture and identity</li>
<li data-section-id="1a8rtak" data-start="2614" data-end="2737">What it actually means to follow Jesus today Moving from comfort to surrender&mdash;and from belief to embodied faith</li>
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Pull Quote
&ldquo;IF YOU SEE JESUS ONLY AS SAVIOR, YOU&rsquo;LL WAIT FOR HEAVEN SOMEDAY&mdash;INSTEAD OF LIVING ETERNAL LIFE RIGHT NOW.&rdquo;
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Helpful Links
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<li data-section-id="qlfed6" data-start="2937" data-end="2977">Mark E. Moore Books: https://www.markmoore.org/</li>
<li data-section-id="775bjx" data-start="2978" data-end="3031">Christ&rsquo;s Church of the Valley: <a href="https://ccv.church" data-start="3011" data-end="3029">https://ccv.church</a></li>
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Sponsor
This episode is brought to you by Planning Center: the all-in-one software to help your church schedule volunteers, plan services, and stay organized. Try it today at&nbsp;<a data-start="3226" data-end="3312">https://www.planningcenter.com/?utm_source=wlm&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=thewalk</a>

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Each episode features a first-person devotional from a worship leader, pastor, artist, or creative—believers who don’t just lead worship, but live it. These aren’t interviews; they’re heartfelt testimonies about walking with God in the highs and lows, the mundane and miraculous.

Produced by Worship Leader Magazine, a trusted resource in worship ministry for over 30 years, The Walk equips and encourages worshipers to cultivate a lifestyle of Spirit-led worship beyond the platform.

Whether you’re a seasoned leader or just beginning your journey, these stories will help you walk closer with Jesus.

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Part of the Worship Leader Magazine Podcast Network, The Walk is a weekly devotional podcast where faith meets story in powerful, personal ways.
Each episode features a first-person devotional from a worship leader, pastor, artist, or creative&mdash;believers who don&rsquo;t just lead worship, but live it. These aren&rsquo;t interviews; they&rsquo;re heartfelt testimonies about walking with God in the highs and lows, the mundane and miraculous.
Produced by Worship Leader Magazine, a trusted resource in worship ministry for over 30 years, The Walk equips and encourages worshipers to cultivate a lifestyle of Spirit-led worship beyond the platform.
Whether you&rsquo;re a seasoned leader or just beginning your journey, these stories will help you walk closer with Jesus.
Explore every episode: <a href="https://worshipleader.com/podcasts/" data-start="1072" data-end="1137">worshipleader.com/podcasts</a>

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The Walk Podcast shares real conversations with worshippers&mdash;moments when faith was tested, obedience cost something, and God showed up.
You&rsquo;ll hear the struggle. You&rsquo;ll hear the choice. You&rsquo;ll hear what God did.
Because faith isn&rsquo;t just a moment&mdash;it&rsquo;s a walk. And you don&rsquo;t have to walk it alone.
Hosted by <a href="https://www.bayturner.com/">Bay Turner</a> Part of the <a href="https://worshipleader.com/podcasts/">Worship Leader Magazine Podcast Network</a>
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The Walk Podcast: Faith in the Real World

Mark E. Moore: Savior or King? What Most Christians Get Wrong

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