“We’re not just making art — we’re shaping theology.”

In this deeply honest and thought-provoking episode of The Walk, musician, producer, and hymn scholar Andrew Osenga unpacks the surprising discovery that reshaped his faith: ancient songs still speak today. From his early years in Caedmon's Call to his executive work at Integrity Music, Andrew has always wrestled with what the Church sings — and what it doesn't.

He shares how old hymnals, Anglican liturgies, and honest songs about suffering reconnected him to Jesus after a season of spiritual burnout. You'll hear why songs about doubt, the future, and loving our enemies are urgently needed today, and how Gen Z is leading a revival of ancient rhythms. If you’ve ever longed for worship that tells the whole truth — this is your episode.

👤 Guest Bio

Andrew Osenga is a Nashville-based singer-songwriter, producer, and A&R veteran known for his work with Caedmon’s Call, The Normals, and artists like Steven Curtis Chapman and Andrew Peterson. He currently leads the collective Anchor Hymns, hosts the podcast The Pivot, and serves his community through songwriting, spiritual formation, and Anglican liturgy. He lives in Nashville, TN with his wife and three daughters.

🔍 Episode Highlights


What songs are missing from modern worship?

“We don’t sing about suffering, doubt, or the future. And that shapes how we see God.”


Why hymns still matter:

“Nobody’s making a dime off of ‘Amazing Grace.’ And we feel that difference.”


What drew Andrew to Anglicanism:

A flooded house, an elderly Bible study, and the quiet beauty of written prayers.


Why Gen Z loves liturgy:

“In a world of marketing, old words feel trustworthy.”


What’s next for Anchor Hymns:

A new collection of songs based on Every Moment Holy, funded by a grant from the Lilly Foundation and Samford University.

💬 Pull Quote

“We typically don’t leave church with the sermon in our head — we leave with the songs. And they teach us what we believe about God.” — Andrew Osenga

🔗 Helpful Links


🎵 Anchor Hymns


📖 How to Remember by Andrew Osenga


🎧 The Pivot Podcast


📷 Follow Andrew on Instagram

🙏 Sponsor Blurb

This episode of The Walk is made possible by Planning Center — the all-in-one platform to help you organize, coordinate, and communicate with your church teams. Click here to learn more

&ldquo;We&rsquo;re not just making art &mdash; we&rsquo;re shaping theology.&rdquo;
In this deeply honest and thought-provoking episode of The Walk, musician, producer, and hymn scholar Andrew Osenga unpacks the surprising discovery that reshaped his faith: ancient songs still speak today. From his early years in Caedmon's Call to his executive work at Integrity Music, Andrew has always wrestled with what the Church sings &mdash; and what it doesn't.
He shares how old hymnals, Anglican liturgies, and honest songs about suffering reconnected him to Jesus after a season of spiritual burnout. You'll hear why songs about doubt, the future, and loving our enemies are urgently needed today, and how Gen Z is leading a revival of ancient rhythms. If you&rsquo;ve ever longed for worship that tells the whole truth &mdash; this is your episode.
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👤 Guest Bio
Andrew Osenga is a Nashville-based singer-songwriter, producer, and A&amp;R veteran known for his work with Caedmon&rsquo;s Call, The Normals, and artists like Steven Curtis Chapman and Andrew Peterson. He currently leads the collective Anchor Hymns, hosts the podcast The Pivot, and serves his community through songwriting, spiritual formation, and Anglican liturgy. He lives in Nashville, TN with his wife and three daughters.
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🔍 Episode Highlights
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What songs are missing from modern worship?
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&ldquo;We don&rsquo;t sing about suffering, doubt, or the future. And that shapes how we see God.&rdquo;
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Why hymns still matter:
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&ldquo;Nobody&rsquo;s making a dime off of &lsquo;Amazing Grace.&rsquo; And we feel that difference.&rdquo;
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What drew Andrew to Anglicanism:
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A flooded house, an elderly Bible study, and the quiet beauty of written prayers.
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Why Gen Z loves liturgy:
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&ldquo;In a world of marketing, old words feel trustworthy.&rdquo;
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What&rsquo;s next for Anchor Hymns:
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A new collection of songs based on Every Moment Holy, funded by a grant from the Lilly Foundation and Samford University.
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💬 Pull Quote
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&ldquo;We typically don&rsquo;t leave church with the sermon in our head &mdash; we leave with the songs. And they teach us what we believe about God.&rdquo; &mdash; Andrew Osenga
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🔗 Helpful Links
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🎵 <a data-start="2381" data-end="2424">Anchor Hymns</a>
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📖 <a data-start="2430" data-end="2509">How to Remember by Andrew Osenga</a>
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🎧 <a data-start="2515" data-end="2573">The Pivot Podcast</a>
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📷 <a data-start="2579" data-end="2647">Follow Andrew on Instagram</a>
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🙏 Sponsor Blurb
This episode of The Walk is made possible by Planning Center &mdash; the all-in-one platform to help you organize, coordinate, and communicate with your church teams. <a href="https://planningcenter.com/?utm_source=worshipleadermag&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=worshipleadermagazine" data-start="2843" data-end="2958">Click here to learn more</a>

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Each episode features a first-person devotional from a worship leader, pastor, artist, or creative—believers who don’t just lead worship, but live it. These aren’t interviews; they’re heartfelt testimonies about walking with God in the highs and lows, the mundane and miraculous.

Produced by Worship Leader Magazine, a trusted resource in worship ministry for over 30 years, The Walk equips and encourages worshipers to cultivate a lifestyle of Spirit-led worship beyond the platform.

Whether you’re a seasoned leader or just beginning your journey, these stories will help you walk closer with Jesus.

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Part of the Worship Leader Magazine Podcast Network, The Walk is a weekly devotional podcast where faith meets story in powerful, personal ways.
Each episode features a first-person devotional from a worship leader, pastor, artist, or creative&mdash;believers who don&rsquo;t just lead worship, but live it. These aren&rsquo;t interviews; they&rsquo;re heartfelt testimonies about walking with God in the highs and lows, the mundane and miraculous.
Produced by Worship Leader Magazine, a trusted resource in worship ministry for over 30 years, The Walk equips and encourages worshipers to cultivate a lifestyle of Spirit-led worship beyond the platform.
Whether you&rsquo;re a seasoned leader or just beginning your journey, these stories will help you walk closer with Jesus.
Explore every episode: <a href="https://worshipleader.com/podcasts/" data-start="1072" data-end="1137">worshipleader.com/podcasts</a>

Worship Leaders are more than just musicians and performers. These leaders and creatives walk with God daily and can bring a good word to the Body of Christ.

The Walk: A Devotional Podcast from Worship Leader Magazine

The Walk Podcast shares real conversations with worshippers—moments when faith was tested, obedience cost something, and God showed up.

You’ll hear the struggle.
You’ll hear the choice.
You’ll hear what God did.

Because faith isn’t just a moment—it’s a walk. And you don’t have to walk it alone.

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The Walk Podcast shares real conversations with worshippers&mdash;moments when faith was tested, obedience cost something, and God showed up.
You&rsquo;ll hear the struggle. You&rsquo;ll hear the choice. You&rsquo;ll hear what God did.
Because faith isn&rsquo;t just a moment&mdash;it&rsquo;s a walk. And you don&rsquo;t have to walk it alone.
Hosted by <a href="https://www.bayturner.com/">Bay Turner</a> Part of the <a href="https://worshipleader.com/podcasts/">Worship Leader Magazine Podcast Network</a>
Explore every episode: <a href="https://www.worshipleader.com/podcasts" data-start="773" data-end="841">worshipleader.com/podcasts</a> Learn more: <a href="https://worshipleader.com/podcast/the-walk" data-start="856" data-end="936">worshipleader.com/podcast/the-walk</a> Subscribe on your favorite platform: <a href="https://pod.link/1631583177" data-start="976" data-end="1026">pod.link/1631583177</a>

The Walk Podcast: Faith in the Real World

Andrew Osenga: Why We Need to Sing About Doubt, Suffering, and the Past

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