The VC Show with Vince CarterAntawn Jamison on Carolina Memories, the NCAA Tourney and Dropping 51 on the Lakers
Vince talks with his close friend and fellow Tar Heel legend Antawn Jamison about their favorite memories as suite-mates at North Carolina on and off the court. They also get into the current NCAA Tournament, what-if there was NIL money for them back in the 90's and Antawn scoring 50 points in back-to-back NBA games.
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To kick off this new season, I had to go deep into my bag and go get my guy, my dog, a guy I will be forever linked to for a lot of reasons.
He was mister Basketball.
North Carolina nineteen ninety five McDonald's All American, three times first team All ACC selection.
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ACC Player of the Year in nineteen ninety eight, CONSISTUS First Team All American in ninety eight, National College Player in ninety eight.
So that tells you everything he did in ninety eight was killing.
Has number thirty teen retired in the Rafters fourth pick in the nineteen ninety eight draft by the Raptors, And if you confuse, yes, he was traded.
With me to go to State.
Two time NBA All Star two thousand and five, two thousand and eight, NBA six Man of the Year in two thousand and four, and currently director of pro personnel for the Wizards. Providence High School's own at one jameson, what's up? I guy, Hey man, I'm not surprised at all with the introduction, hearing the intro.
So all those all those days being your.
Sweet mate and all that music just waking me up is paid off. You know I was practicing. I was practicing thirty years later. Oh man, you so everything's good with you?
Man? Right?
Mars Madness is here, brother, March Madness is here. Obviously, I think we both are rooting for the same team. You know, you know you have the Carolina shirt on. But what if you enjoyed watching college basketball this year so far? Because I know you you watch a pretty good when I watched the Carolina games, and they usually scan right I mean paying right by the bench. I always see you right back there, so you know, you get a text from me like I'm jealous. Yeah, it's been good man, you know how, And you don't go You don't go back as often as I do. But every time I make that drive, man, it just goes back down memory lane to freshman year and those three years at Carolina. But you know, just not Carolina basketball, but just college basketball in general. It has been fun to watch. I mean, you've seen guys put up crazy numbers. You can see how physical the game is. You know, it's just fun to just sit there and watch the game at home. But going back to Carolina and some of these other colleges to like to get the atmosphere. I was just at the Big Pen Tournament, Big twelve Tournament, man, and it's this unbelievable time to be a fan of college basketball and seen watching them on both sides. You know, but I got to throw that out there. To be honest, I'd rather watch the women play. There's some time to me because the women are getting it done. They don't play around, and I'm glad they get in their flowers, because just because you're a woman, you can't show the same emotions or you can't be as intense as they.
Have the same talented as us, and we're seeing otherwise.
I mean, they're more skilled, and I mean just just the way they play the game of basketball.
Man, it's been fun to watch.
So just in general, men's women's college basketball has been a fun year and I've been I've been enjoying it.
So it's been fun.
And you could tell that women's college basketball is an all time high because of you know, if you look at the money list, and I say, I say this conversation all the time, but this is how you kind of put it in perspective, in my opinion. You look at the money list of you know, n I l earnings, You're not gonna see all just men's players. You're gonna see a laundry list of female players up there who's earning. And that just says a lot about what, you know, the popularity obviously, how good they are as players, and how important they are to the game. So I mean, shout out to all of them, all of them, you know, I mean they have a following, and these companies recognizes that back in the days, if you went to a college basketball game, you might have half of the lower bowl field. Now, if you go to a college basketball game, Vince, I mean, I'm talking about twenty thousand years sold out. Watch these women play, and these companies realizes that they have a great following. They have all these young ladies who want to be like their idols and things of that nature. And you see what these women are pulling up shooting these threes and just like the transition, Duna, what are we talking about? That catches my eye already. I'm like, what the athlete athletes?
Now?
Yeah, So it's been fun to watch. So I'm glad they get their flowers once again. And you know I mentioned NIL and I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this at you. And I know you get asked often. I get asked about it often. Could you imagine? Could you imagine what NIL would be for you? Antoine Jamison from nineteen ninety five to nineteen ninety eight, And I before you say anything, I get asked a question and I know where I was as a player and I can't imagine.
But for you, I listed I would have been below you a little bit.
So yeah, yeah, right after you you want to go back and mention this list because what you did. I mean, obviously three times first team all a seed selection for nineteen ninety eight alone, just junior alone, like leading up to it, obviously that was you know, obviously the wars come at the end of the year. Leading up to it, obviously there was the hype in the buzz of the potential of what you I mean, come on, man, I just can't imagine what I mean. And just locally, I think the appeal that we as a team had, particularly us being around for three years, so it's not like, oh, the new freshman kids coming in, like we were there for three years so they were familiar with us. So I feel like after our freshman year.
Man.
About events as I go to these games or just I'm still in the state of North Carolina, and I hear so many stories about for want and lets me know how old I am.
But man, when I was a kid, man you now, I used to watch go watch you vinc.
And Shamon and Ed Cooder and he's there like in the thirties and stuff. But it's amazing the influence that we had not on ourselves, but of course all these other colleges as well. But it's about time because the NCAA was making so much money off of the student athlete.
And think about my parents.
Your parents were fortunate enough to be able to afford traveling, to be able to go to San Antonio for the Final four, but you have some players who might not have that privilege. And I think with NLLL it helps out families who are in need, but also it gives an opportunity to go and support the child, whether it's women or men or whatever sport.
But it was about time.
Of course they should have had some kind of parameters on how to navigate through all this. It's been kind of mess a little bit, but uh to hear that the money that some of these athletes are receiving, it's life. Think it was about time. It's life taking. And I think it's good that these student athletes get the opportunity to make money off their name, image and likeness and be able to support their family because there are a lot of athletes out there who needed that.
And you know, long go do you know me?
I'm always for people getting that bad at getting what they deserve, and all these athletes deserve wherever they'll get. And I'll say it once and I'll say it again, and every time I have this conversation, I feel the need to say this. I just hope the universities that are providing and putting these young student athletes in the position to earn this money, you also teach them how to save their money, teach to the importance of the tax bracket that they're in now, because they weren't in a tax bracket prior to this. We weren't in a tax bracket in college. These kids are now in a tax bracket. They have to understand how to save and pay, you know, Uncle Sam, accordingly I mean, and I think that's important, but it prepares them for life, because I want these kids to understand and then the other side of that toe And I know when I say that you will agree to this. I'm pretty sure while these kids are making this money, I want you the athlete to still stay hungry and still want to be the best player that you can possibly be.
And I will say this every time.
I don't care who I'm on a podcast with, whoever, I have a conversation with you will hear me say this every time I want that athlete. Yes, go earn your money, but still have that hunger and desire to be the best player you can be. Because for those who want to go to the NBA, this is a position you're going to be in. Now you're going to earn millions of dollars, still have to perform. You still got to be the best player. So I just hope we uh you know, we helped them obviously just learn how to save their money and do the right thing. Well, I think to piggyback off that there has to be a test at the university. Think about how we're prepared you and I was, and just about every player that came through Carolina basketball.
No, that's the fact.
When we got to the NBA event, Remember the media training we had on how to talk to the media. We dressed a certain way. Uh, we carried ourselves, we practiced a certain way. So the that was the easy adjustment for myself is like Carolina was already ran like a professional organization. Of course, the game was different, and that's where I had the adversary I had to fight through.
But the university prepared us.
For not only basketball, but for life and on which you A lot of these kids are getting this money and don't understand that they have to pay taxes. They don't understand about savings and things of that nature. And imagine when we got drafted three years of college, once we got paid at first paid tech, how many people, how many voters was coming our way?
Your mom unbelievable job. My parents are an unbelievable job as.
Far as creating that bubble and making sure we weren't getting taken advantage of.
But it's so difficult.
Then's when you're like a seventeen eighteen year old kid and you making that money and a lot of people feel like it's a lot of people from outside the family that take advantage of these kids. But a lot of the situations internally, hey, you know, remember I was back there be better for you, nephew. So it's those scenarios that you know, these kids really have to take in consideration because that's how they're getting taken advantage of. As far as receiving all these benefits at such such a young age.
Yeah, I mean that's well said.
You're one hundred percent right, and I think every NBA player can also say this. And something about it saying no, it never put me in a predicament, but it puts you in a in a predicament or tough situation where you kind of have to make that decisions like, yeah, you did look out for me, and I'm gonna do my best. But it's not like I'm going to put you on salary because you know, not like I'm gonna give you money because you know. And it's just it's one of those tough situations that I encourage every young athlete who's making any kind of money of some sort too. If you can nip it in the butt, handle the situation early, and then you know, later on it becomes easier because it's already understood.
Yeah, the problem.
The problem is and I can recall how many family members I fell out with and then talk to how many friends who I thought were my friends, and once no was said, that's when you realize who was really there for you and want to be part of your success.
But you have to.
Come to, you know, a standpoint where it's about you in a situation where even in college, you can create generations wealth. So for me, when I still having kids and like being able to buy my mom and Daddy's house and they don't have to work anymore.
I was like, I like this, but I can't stop here.
I want to be to the point where I don't want my kids kids to ever work again. But it's tough, and it's like I said, we had that support system that helped us navigate through all of a sudden. You got all this money, all of a sudden, you are in Canada, you're from Florida.
You having this series of winters like that.
Hey, my first day landing in Toronto, it was a blizzard.
Like once I got there, I'm looking outside.
I'm calling them, like, hey, so poetry for one for two, we're supposed to show up looking like this outside. He's like, you bet, coach to say you better be there on time. I mean, we had the support system, but it's just it's unfortunately a lot of these individuals don't have that. And I just prayed that the universities can't help navigate through that. But it's tough these days.
Man.
With that being said, do you think, after all the success you had in ninety eight, here comes ninety nine and nil is there would you have considered to stay be if okay, Caleb Williams. I heard cleared somewhere from eight to ten million. If that was a number that was around for you for nil your senior year, would you consider staying or would you go? I mean, and I think I know the answer this, but I'm just to putting it out there because I know our answer for me first, if it helped, it would depend on obviously situation.
You know, someone like you.
We were drafted top five, so we kind of knew what our money was going to look like, as opposed to maybe we don't get drafted maybe later in the first round, second round pick. Now that nil, you know, obviously depending on what it looks like changes your scenario. So that for me to answer the question, I think it would depend on where I'm going in the draft. Yeah, if we were still being picked fourth and fifth. We both had the same goals, and that goal was to play.
In the NBA.
That was a dream of mine ever since I was a kid, and likewise for yourself and to be able to get that close to our dream, it would have been tough. But also a major part of me leaving was I wanted to be there and help support my mom and dad and be in a situation where I could pay for my sister and my younger brother's college tuition. If my mom and dad didn't want to work, they didn't have to. But Vince Man, we had that was like before I had kids. That was the best three years of my life. That's a fact between you the mom. Mac Addi ed tears like lives like. The people I've been in college are still like my day one.
And I tell people chat like our Brew chat every time. Yeah, I have seventy five misstress, so many people on there. Yeah, So like, I enjoyed college.
But to be honest, if that amount of money was around and I knew I was gonna be a top five pick, I probably would have still came out. Because now I take that back because for us, I love NCAA tournament. I mean, it brings back so many great memories but also business like. But to know we were so close, we didn't finish the job. God, but once again, that junior year, it was supposed to be a done deal. So let's say we do come back our single year. Don't do it an injury or something like that happening. It's never no, So you know, just thinking about it, I probably would have left after my junior year, knowing not only being able to support my family, but the most important part, that was my dream ever since I was a kid, smelling be able to compete against Michael and Scottie Pippot and those guys. And you know, my first game is against Charles Barkley and I'm just like that was the dream. So I probably would have left, but like I tell you, man, that was the best three years.
You know me and I still remember, Man, we get there.
We got there early, Automolai, just coming in from Germany and it's times were just sitting in the hallway nobody there are sitting on the steps looking outside, like and like, man, all right, this is this is what wouldnna be. Man, Like, you know what's good? What lured you into Carolina so soon? Because you committed as a sophomore. Man, I committed after my sophomore going to my junior year, I committed.
What what did it for you? Particularly that soon? Yeah?
The biggest thing is that I knew I wanted to stay close to home. So being from Charlotte, Uh, the ACC the University of South Carolina was one and then also the furthest. I probably wanted to go was probably Georgia Tech. But I wanted to take close to home because see originally moving let me tell you why he looked at Georgia Tech. I'm gonna throw it out there. This is my man, I know, freak nick is still going on at the time. That would be you, my brother. People don't realized that was being like way when you came in there, mister bean Maiden. I mean we go to these parties, I'm like, who is And it's like you turned into a whole different person, So.
You would have really mad music is my life brother for a long time. Yeah, but I wanted to stay close to home.
Man, before I had I went to University of South Carolina and saw game and went to n C State. I went to Duke, but I just knew once I walked on that campus, Vince Franklin Street, like it just spoke to me. Once I went to the d D when you walked into that Dean though, explain it, like, man, you you can never like every time I go, whether the summertime or even to a game, Vince walking to the basketball office, it's just like it's the same feeling.
I had the same feeling first time.
I went to the University of North Carolina, and I knew that was where I was supposed to be. And I'm big on my faith, and things happened for a reason. But for some reason, he spoke, God spoke to me.
And like this is it. You knew.
I just knew, So I didn't want to waste anybody else's time. The biggest thing for my parents was free education. We don't have to pay for college. And I'm just like, I'm not taking my mind. So this is the place I know I want to go to. And that's what's crazy to me. Like I mean, obviously, you you know, if anybody knows you, you know, like they do follow you through that time. Like your sophomore year, you were a number You were top one, two three, top three in the country before this guy Kevin Garnett came from and then Ron Mercer.
I had to work my way up.
So my sophomore year, I'm still looking all the way up for you folks. But it's funny because, like you know, for me, Carolina was not even I mean, obviously it was obviously it would be a dream, but Carolina didn't come around till after my junior year. After five Stars, I played in a five Star All Star game. Tim Thomas, Steph and Coach Smith came up to be and gut and yeah. They were like, you know, we're impressed. We want to you know, we're very interested in you were beginning to recruiting process and you know who.
Was coming to team me play full coach Forard, Yes, that was one.
Of the first dare He's like, yeah, yep, He's like, you might as well come here, like it was. It was just it was cool people, and you know, so that's when I kind of got on the radar for Carolina.
Duke had already been.
Around Florida, Florida State, obviously, Kentucky and Kansas. That was my initial and obviously.
So what what was it about Carolina for you?
I mean, being from from Florida, you seemed like the title myself, you didn't want to go too far away, and Florida State was an up and coming university and all of a sudden, how did Carolina get the exploring a kid?
What was it for you that.
So played in the tournament in South Carolina?
Person, that's right, that's when.
We first met, and you know, I had already had the visit playing, and clearly you knew, and you came up to me and you know, introduced. We kind of have a conversation and you said, I'm gonna be there and you might as well. You know, when once you get there and kind of explain it to me, you know, you just hear like, okay, cool, cool, cool, you know up here. But I got to see it for myself. I got to see it for myself and everything you said walking into that office, meeting everyone from the staff before even meeting the meeting the coaching staff, and then obviously going into Coach Smith. You know, you remember, I don't know if you remember walking to Coach smith office. He sat at his desk, he pushed the button and all this stuff, thought closing and TV's coming up. Man, wait a minute now, I'm not used to this, sir, And I mean, but just like I say, it just felt like home. It felt like what I wanted I was looking for. And you know, obviously, we as athletes, we're looking at the basketball side, and our family obviously, my whole family are all in education, so they're looking at can my son obviously get the best of both worlds, And that's what Coach Smith cared about obviously, you know when we start practicing. Everybody who was affiliated with Carolina probably does that now. But we had to, you know, know our teacher's name.
We couldn't. We had to sit in the first three.
Rolls the coach was taking to make sure we was in class. Yeah, it was yeah, you know, before practice, we had to remember the word of the day. What we used to We used to sit there and rack our brains and remember one little sentence, you know, But I mean it just it just taught you how to prepare and taught us what was important. And obviously as a student athlete sometimes you don't understand until you get older. But it was ingrained in this and obviously guys before So it was just how often And it's funny now and I don't know why I was doing something now. I catched my I catched myself every once in a while. The thought of the day, it's like either being implemented in my everyday life or I remember right there in terms of the court.
Just yeah, like the thought of the day. Man. And my dad has a lot.
Of that stuff, and he had my old Carolina bag with my name mode and stuff like that. It had like that, that thick of a wad of the old practice schedule, thought of the days and things of that nature.
I'm just.
Kept that's impressive. It's crazy that and that's why we love him so much. Man him and coach Guthrich and even Coach Millson. I see coach Hannah's all the time and coach Ford. But they got us at a very important time of our life. We were leaving home, making that transition to besic for me.
Yeah, you left home.
They're talking about home, Yeah, and like to be able to not only prepare us for being the best basketball player, but preparing us for like life, being the best man, like just treating people with respect, being humble, like and you know how it was, Vince, were you on Carolina campus. Everybody knows who you are and it can you know, get up there a little bit. What Coach Milcher that staff did an unbelievable job, you know, telling us like it's no difference in somebody who's playing soccer or somebody who's in the band.
And that's the way that bro We had me and Hammer used to walk around campus. I mean it was we had Mary Jones walking around in our campus.
It was great to like see like man like and so many of us like different personalities, different backgrounds, but we all came through that that that program and like man, we think about like what what you were doing, Brittain Hay what is on TV?
And you know, so.
Many great guys are coaching now, like I mean, they do a great job not only you know, preparing us and messing us for being the best basketball team in that particular time, but also like preparing us for life.
You know.
I see Terrence Duban head coach they coaching and you basketball and get these guests, you know, and I hear he knew about their coach, And I'm like, man, you out here coaching you know, these kids and preparing them for life.
And it's just like a great feeling.
To note that the choice I did make to go to college was the best choice because and it was the right one for you, correct, I mean? And it's a bunch of guys who all felt the same. And that's that's what's cool cool about it. A. I wanted to ask you when you mentioned Coach Smith, do you have a.
A cool Coach Smith's story?
You know? And me asking you this, the first thing I think of is who was it not?
Not?
Well, Charlie mcderry runs Coach Smith over, and Coach Smith has his role as work and he's already you know, he's poaitting, calling and telling us what to do with Charlie runs my man over. Coach Smith fell down. But he did scratch that watch.
Oh man. That's one of the ones that you know, I always remember. It's two that really steeks out to me.
It's one from the basketball perspective and one just from life. I can recall, you know, ideas we're in college, we're coming into practice, and every once in a while it's one, you know, come in my office.
I'm like, yeah, I don't know what's wrong.
And then he would ask me, did you talk to your mom and dad this week? And I'm like, yep, coach, I'm in college. I'm not trying to I'm not supposed to be talking to my mom and dad. And he'll call me there, we're going to call him after practice. And he would do that periodically and I'm just like showing up. Why does he got me talking to my mom and dad? And as you know, once we left school, he was still keeping in contact with our parents, and that was kind of like if you knew Coach Smith, you knew like family and making sure and taking up our family is important. And I remember my junior year and I had some success and like I said, acc first team and things of that nature. And I remember we had a game and there's I think we was like we won about twenty thirty.
And you know how those film sessions are, I don't care what you do.
You remember how because we thought we because I don't know, used to always have the most plus points and that's the charges and me.
It made us want to go out there and like, you know, I'm tired of this. I'm I'm about to knock Automotive office.
So they kind of, like you know, made us realize just because we scored all these points or you o sports center with the dunks and stuff, it was the little things that he appreciated. And I remember just like it made us take charges, it made us dive on the floor and things of that nature. But I remember and then one of those tough film sessions and we won by twenty or thirty and I got the ball in the perim and I was up for a three and I shot it and I missed it and Coach Smith like, you know, Jameson, is that a good shot? And I'm like, yeah, I was open. He said you almost twenty points in the paint. Get in the paint. Don't be shooting at three. And I'm just like so it's like, oh okay, let me you know. But it's like he always had that that that that talent, and he spoke to you to a point where no matter how much the set you had, no matter like you know, what you accomplished, it was always still room for improvement. Ball. So I'm gonna make you feel and I'm gonna treat you like everybody else, whether it was you me or way of Tender or Charlie mcnaery or Linda Linda's he always did a great job. It's like, no, we are in this together. No one is above you know, the university and the basketball program. But those are kind of like two of the things that I always took out. I always take a don't family and like, you know what, you're not gonna be feeling yourself. I'm gonna put you down just like everybody else. Ask you okay, hey, I was just about to say story. You remember my freshman year, right, I get the dump. I got like, I scored back the back, got the dunk, and I was like I was trying to HiPE the crowd up, throw my hands up, and he man took out, called the time out, man and in front of Everybody's like, we don't do that here, we don't. He's like, we don't throw our ends up, asking everybody to cheer for me, cheer for me, that that's all you're doing. I was just like, h remember the time I dunk and I did the bow. Hey, I was sitting at the time my face. I said, oh, but that's the thing. That's the one thing.
You know.
We talked about this all the time. But it was teaching me how to be a professor, being your sweet mate. I mean, we had those moments when you was just like one of them, I'm doing wrong. But that was and you hear people stay all the time. It was only one person that can stop Michael Jordan. That was Coach Smith. But I think he prepared Mike for the for what he accomplished. He prepared on yourself with see Wilder's Jerry sadcaus all these guys, you know, back to her end jib. Even though it might not been on the basketball side, but just how to treat people better and how to like, you know, do the things that he's doing.
So I mean it was it was bigger man.
Sometimes we never understood where he was coming from or like you know, we were just big kids. But it prepared us for like life just after basketball and more boy things as well.
Man, I agree with that one hundred percent.
And that's that was kind of I don't want to use the word to wake up call, but man, I learned a lot. It's like, okay, you know, it's like man, man, he's up brother, Like I'm doing everything I'm supposed to do.
I enjoyed the game.
I was so thankful to be in there, and like you know, that was my way of like really showing my appreciation.
But I understood what he was saying.
Like you said, a lot of the film sessions and those one on ones in that office, I had a bunch of those, particularly my freshman year. And yeah, I'm remember we had those conversations about in between the freshman and sophomore year, but it was about just the frustrations, like wanting to play more. Felt like I deserved and earned the right to play up there, so he's like, you know, this is an important summer for me.
So I did just that. And obviously my sophomore year, do you.
Think going through that adversity, because like I said, I didn't hit it until I got to the league, but you really experienced, especially like your freshman and your sophomore year. Do you think that's why you had that instant success once your maybe to the next level.
So yeah, particularly the freshman year.
I think my freshman year when it was you know, I was like when I scored, I felt like I was doing wrong, like what's going on? And I would come out the game and I remember the one time he took me out of the game when I scored a couple of points and they booed him. Yeah, and I ain't never heard in my life like y'all boy and coached me. I am nothing to do with this, my man, Please don't take it out of me. But I think that summer made me work harder, just get get get better, and like okay, I got to fine tune everything, and I think because of that it helped our team. It made the game easier for you. And I say that because you're not gonna just key on you now and just leave leave us open. You had to respect what we did at which I think helped you go to the next level because now you can't. I mean, obviously we had shooters and yet shamant. But it's just like I felt like I had to show dig d and see what I was made of and show him like you brought me here for a reason. And you know, it's hard to imagine, like transferring. You know that the word it was it was out there. It was rooms that I was transferreding, Like, bro, where they getting this from. It's just I am frustrated, but like I'm not giving up this, give up this, this is this is the life. And you know it became, but it became. And next thing I know, we are in the final four and I was like it was all worth it. You know, it didn't feel good a time because by my JUNI year, I guess the way to stop me was to be physical and like to like and I remember that time we was practicing and I didn't notice at the time, but I guess afterwards. He told Charlie mcnaery every time at wanna get the ball fouling, We're not gonna call foules and I'm just I mean telling was just.
You know, and I remember this and I'm just like you wanted.
To beat Charlie up, you know, because I never got to the point where I got like, ain'try or like and I was like, Tyler, if you found me one more time and on.
And I remember was there the court and.
I apologized to Toiler all the time that I kind of pushed him over water through and stuff. Was that but like that apparently it's because had I not gone through like just the little thing, because I had a lot of success early, you know that time I had adversity once I got.
To the league. Not only what I went through, but like being able to talk to you because.
You was talking to me in college like that stuff made me to the point where you know, and I could deal with, you know, the craziness that I had to deal with for sixteen years and so forth.
So sixteen years, but just thinking about that, all of these but I think you did one, two, three, four, Yeah, yeah, exactly. This is sixteen was tough.
And I remember the main reason for me is when I went to the Clippers and I told Doc, I said, I just I'm not trying to No worry boy playing time. I just want an opportunity to win. I've made this money, I've passed success, individual success, team success. That's when they had Blake Griffin, Chris Paul all those guys, and I remember something happened.
I end up getting traded midway through the season. It was just like and I was just mentally, I was, what did you get traded to Cleveland Atlanta? Oh?
Oh that's right, that's right. And I was just like, you know what, I'm done. But for me, I was mentally just drained, like how did you another four or five more years of like just now what you're doing just to your body? And that well, I said one thing, and that particularly time, the NBA needed vets like yourself who can like guide these young guys that had no guidance, has not been around leadership before.
So I get it, but like that was that was even tough.
That's one thing I tell people all the time is that you was able to adjust being the man to like you know when you was in.
Jersey, of that nature, and that's the reason why you last.
But a lot of these players can't humble themselves and put the ego to the side and like, do what's best for my team. And that's the test to what happened that Carolina going through the things that we went through as well, and for some reason, as much it was it was mentally drained, I still loved it and I just I got new life because I had to find a new way to be effective. Yeah, for so many years I was the go to guy blah blah blah blah. Then I became a role player and I just enjoyed it till I didn't. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And so it was tough, Like it's for a lot of reasons. You know, as you get older, they they look at you like, you know, you're you're in your forties, you shouldn't be playing. But I felt like I was productive, you know, and you know you deal with that that side of it, you know that, you know. And I remember I used to ask you all the time, like, Bro, I heard of some some spots available. You're trying to play, You're like, don't call me. Just like when I travel to make it. When I traveled with the team for like maybe a week or so, bro, Like I'm like, how did I do it?
I did this? It's just a credible and I'm not playing it. I get to the you know how it is.
You get to the hotel that night, shoot around, get your gym early, watch the game, get on the plane. I'm just like, man, it's just it's just And that's the thing to people like do you miss it?
Do you?
And I'm like no, because every practice, every game, I try to play eighty two as much like I gave everything I possibly could. So if I was just bs to doing practice so I didn't, you know, play as many games as I could, maybe I felt like I had some more left in the tank. But I gave the game all that I could and I was playing a game because I can remember so that that was tough. I remember coming that last season. I'm just like, how this guy not only just on a team, but like you said, you was effective and you was playing and it's unfortunately what happened with like you know, COVID and things of that nature. But I was I wasn't awe man, because I just like I was done five years ago.
I don't understand how my guy is still going out there. I'm just.
I enjoyed until I got home and I was like Oh my god, I need to.
Go to sleep. Brother, Let me go to sleep so I can be good for tomorrow. You still I saw you on night? You still like how? I don't know? Yeah? I tried to.
Man, that took everything I gotta do, like a running start, and I'm barely getting there. I didn't have house. Did but I was like, ain't no, wait, I'm sitting there. You off the like just yeah, that's that's the test to the aft. But there's no way. But hey, but you can't been able to region bus. That's the thing that accused me.
That's how I just that's how I figured out what I do. I stayed further back. Yeah, but I will tell you this. It's funny you say about the travel. I did a nets Wizards game. You know, I called you to see if you're in town. But we did the Next Wizard.
So I was in DC and got in hotel and caught the bus over and it was strange for me. So in twenty two years, I never had not been on the first bus. I either was before the first bus or on the first bus. Yeah, I was on They have three buses now and I was on the third bus, and I was like.
What is this like?
And it's like players that play on the third bus, Like it was just weird for me because I've just never done it. I was like before we're talking about before ubers, you know, we're catching calves and stuff like yeah or whatever. Or if I'm on the first bus in New Jersey, r J and I used to race it literally off the bus, would run to the locker room to race to see the first one, the girl on the court, Like, I mean, it's just so, it's just it was just strange for me.
Man.
It's funny you say that because I remember when I got drafted. I had Mookie blailout, John Stark, Terry Cummings, Christy Budget was there too. And I remember our first preseason game. We're playing in Sack. It's get a call on my phone and it's John Stalks. He's like, rookie ready to go. I'm like, but it's not for another hour and a half. He said, no, no, no, no, we don't go on the bus. We go before everybody get there. It was John Stalks because I was the same way like I I had to be there before everybody because I had to get my routine down and then I just needed so much time to like decompress and just like focus on the game. But John stalks With was the vent that told me, no, we beat the bus, the first bus to the to the arena and like just.
The workout that he had me going through.
And I'm like, but I'm sitting there like this man has played so many years and this is why he's able to do that, so it already is still to be there, like now we gotta be before the first bus. So I was that way until I got to d C. And Gil we used to fight all the time about who's gonna be the first one. Gil was doing some crazy because he was I'm like, yeah, I'm just sitting down and taking a nap because he was there all, you know, so much earlier than I was.
But I get what you're saying about.
You know now it's like everybody's on the last bus, and you got like what I was continue to get readed my workout time not until such such up like that. So I just I just wanted to be the I mean, obviously I got my nap and did what I need to do, but soon as I finishedoot around, I got my meal and I went straight to sleep, got my got my rest, you know, are you gonna get your rest for I'm a get at least an hour and a half. I had to happen. It had to happen. Hey, let me ask you about that, and then I'm gonna go backwards a little bit. But once you finished playing, how many years were you still taking your nap? You know, probably midday like that twelve one, two o'clock, you know, against the typical NBA nap time.
How many years after? Yeah, it happened.
Least I would say three years after because once I retired, I got a call from uh specialm LA the Lakers to do like you know TV, probably like a week out of a month. So I was going back and forth to LA and it was the same thing, like I took it down before I had to get ready to go on there and that next because it's taxing and we was doing pregame, halftime, postgame, so I was getting to the arena, especially if it was an East Coast game, probably like two o'clock, and I wasn't getting home to about like eleven. So I was just already trained and that was like my routine to get adapt But then after that when I staw, I scouting. It wasn't to the point where I need to do those things. But like if I got to take able to school, she got to be here seven forty five, I get up to like six thirty, take her to school, go work out. Then I come back and take it dap. So I still take my gap for me every once in a while. But I mean I'm with you, like we was just that was like our ritual, our routine for like ever a long time because we wasn't able to do it acknowledge because certain days we had school and then practice and stuff like that. But I mean we was young, you know, we didn't know any better. But it was probably the two or three years after I got there. Yeah, it probably was three. It was.
Three years for sure. This year not so much. I'm four years out now, so you still taking that?
No, no, no, what I'm saying this year, I mean, I'm kind of but some days about that time, I'm just like, oh man, oh I just told you every time I do earlier town, yeah, I'll come back and take al about that too.
What does December third and December sixth mean to you? Oh man?
December third, December sixth, December third was the day that I felt like I had my coming out party in December, he said six. That was the day I played with problem.
You kept the party going their second.
The third player, uh, in the history of the NBA, we had probably a very historic night before for both of us and.
For those of you who don't know.
December third one played Versu the Seattle SuperSonics. Fifty one points, fourteen rebounds, twenty three for thirty six. You would getting them things up. And the reason I wrote this down because it's like I said, fifty one points, fourteen rebounds, twenty three for thirty six, two for seven from three. And the reason I'm saying that for fifty one points, we're seeing now obviously more shots, but you only took seven and four free throws. You're three for four from the free throw line in forty eight minutes. Played the whole game. Wow, I played whole gad it was it was not overtime. It was yeah, so and that said it was and then you come around with your next performance back to back. At the time, you were, like I said, I think you were one of two guys and I think was the other one. At the time they scored back to back fifties or something like that, and well obviously will But December sixth you played the Lakers. Yeah, fifty one points, thirteen rebounds, five assists, twenty one for twenty nine. That boy was effichit that night. One nine two for five from three, seven for eight from the free throw line in fifty three minutes.
Okay, that was overtime, So that one was in overtime.
And on the flip side, Kobe had fifty one points, seven rebounds, eight assists, eighteen for thirty five. He was only that was his first fifty one point game, though, was fifty point game. I think that was in two thousand. So yeah, that was the first, Yeah, to cut off. That was his first two for seven from three, and he was thirteen for thirteen from the free throw line in fifty one minutes and he had eight turnovers. Yeah, so yeah, And I had to go down and look and I was like, all right, man, did I get And he had a long list of forty and thirty balls and I had to see if I was a part of any of those. And you know, you gave New Jersey I think thirty seven piece.
But we won, So that's all that mattered. Wh who's going that night? What mean, hey, I'm played too at that time? What me?
Even though I would say, I remember, you know, I'll never forget the joy we had obviously at draft knight.
Everybody who knows us knows about draft night.
You getting it was the weirdest thing for me seeing you get drafted to Toronto when you did work out for him, and obviously I get drafted by Golden State. We get traded for each other, the funniest thing ever. And I still laughed at I remember, obviously it was all nerves for me, living in the moment. You see the you see the draft and now I'm about to go up and shake the commissioner's hand like we seen for years of our lives, you know whatever, whatever. And I remember walking up through steps of seeing you trying to say something to me. I'm like, bro, what but what do you say? I don't know what you're telling, what you're saying, And come to find out you were telling we're about to get traded for each other.
Food. Oh that's what you said. So it was just the craziest thing.
But to go through all of that, and I just remember the fun times we had, particularly the first two years regardless, And like I said, I know the conversations we had when you were talking about you know, I mean obviously the struggles, but it was I think it brought joy to you like it did for me that not only we were teammates for three years, we're going through all we're gone through. Now we get to play each other in the NBA that we talked about for all those years, and just to go at each other and have a good time. Like I still remember it like it was yesterday. Go ahead, say what you about to say, you want to say something crazy good. The thing about it, evince every time we played each other, you can see like our teammates and like I don't think we played each other. I mean, of course, you know we're going up against each other and trying to stop each other.
But we had fun.
We talked so much trashy one another, and like even till to this day, if we're on a golf course, forget that used to say some below the belt stuff though, like.
I said, the truth.
Below I think it's I don't know what it is, but like we we had fun.
Man.
The banter that we had was just like and I forgot who it was. I'm like, man, you so like just yeah, foods out there, but we repeted. But that's the thing, that's the joy that you're talking about, is that we went through We did the mile run together, the running of the sears, like dealing with Coach Smith and the disappointment of not winning at all, but the enjoyment of we were sweep mats and things of that nature, and like we grew up having this vision and then what happened on Draft night and then fast forward many years down the road.
Whether I was in d C or.
Cleveland or you was in Mifphis or bro we had fun and we talked so much junk, and that's what was all about. Like I got the opportunity to do it with like Samawn a little bit, but like nobody on that team I was able to do that with. And I did it for sixty years and never a dull moment. It was always bringing us back to our childhood when we was at Carolina and just all the great times that we had.
But man, we definitely enjoyed playing one another.
That was like one always the highlight of my year, Like okay, when I'm gonna play oh, they and we we're bro.
Especially we used to come out for pregame and just so.
And I'm gonna tell you another moment that that I always remember that I enjoyed was clearly I said, us playing against each other. But in two thousand and five All Star Denver, we cut to being on the same team. You know now and you know obviously something in the in the magazine and the Carolina program they have that picture. Uh and of course you played in two thousand and eight in New Orleans as well, Like, uh, what was that like for you?
Man?
To me, I've got oh, that was what it's all about, because like I've been able to go on this journey with my brother and will encompass so many things and like being force center, being able to you know, being an All Star game with he was just like, man, this is what about because we had that vision and the only thing I wish we could have done together, but what was the able to do it was the Olympic team. But like just to like go through those All Stars and like, man, we not only went to college and had success, but we are own this the biggest stage playing against the best basketball players in the world, and we're in an All Star Game, and I recalled just remember seeing it like on TV and then like not only make it to the alslow game, but to do alongside my brother at Competer Gainst Kobe Bryance and like, you know those guys to kill O'Neill's and Kevin Go and Dad and you know those guys. I mean, it was it was unbelievable feeling to be able to experience all the success, to be able to do it with you for such a long time. What was one of your favorite NBA teams that you played on, And it doesn't have to be as far as success, like a team that you genuinely enjoyed. I mean, if it wasn't, I say it it's you know, Go to Stay. Of course that that is a team that drafted me and I learned so much. Travis Stanley with the with the organization, bring me rid of those guys, like they kind of molded me, you know for the moment.
And I remember going to Dallas.
It was the first time I experienced they had Dirt, Steve Nash, Michael Finley, they brought me, Danny Forreston, Tony Dusk, so many guys. But that was the first time I experienced three superstars, not worrying about the credit and just like having success and like really you know, being there for each other. But you know, the times I had in DC were probably my favorite because the organization was really struggling and to have the turnaround we had with myself, you know, Gilbert Readers, of course, Coron, Larry Hughes and those guys like that's what like, you know, the majority of the kids was born as so like DC has a special place in my heart, and of course working for them the last couple of seasons, but I just remember, like that city man, every time I go back, Vince is just like, you know, it's unbelievable. And my time in Cleveland was kind of a little difficult because Lebron I thought was going to be there, but he left and it was kind of like a rebuilding stage that I had at that particular time.
Washington and the Lakers.
To play with the great Kobe BRYANNT was unbelievable for a year, and then of course what happened with the Clippers. Man, it was DC was definitely probably my favorite place because of the amount of time I spent there and like being in the community and all the Golden State, Dallas, you know, the Washington, Cleveland and Lakers.
Man was unbelievad So the.
Wizards basically, I mean because y'all were y'all were consistent.
That's the thing that was so close, so close.
But running to that, this team from Ohio, you know, made sure that didn't happen. And just like then we got to the point where it was just a little bit too many side distractions that prevented us from really hitting our potential. But you know, we learned a lot. And like of course, I see Kuran he coaching with Maambi. We talked about those times. And of course Gilbert, you know Britain, his stays up the streets, so we were teammates for for a while and you know he talked about his Eddy joint days and yes, I mean it was a good times, like being Jared Jeffrey talk. So it's just it was fun to be there. What's it been like for you, uh in in your current role in the personnelse But like I mean, I mean, obviously I remember you've worked your way up to you know, you were a scout scouting and now you're kind of like you're making moves Man, how has that been?
Man Like?
I mean, I know, it's just it's a different side of it. But at the same time it's a very influential, important part of the organization as well. Yeah, I mean it's been. It's been the closest thing to playing. You get those competitive juices to be part of the behind the scenes. We'll make a comeback then, to believe it, my back of my knees otherwise, but it gives me to be behind the scenes to put this team in this organization and position to do something that I still haven't done, which is to win the championship.
Uh.
That's the one thing that keeps me going. You know, it kind of kept me going as a player and now being a part of organization and like this is you gonna be part of the reason why we'd be successful. I got a great group of co workers who I'm still learning, Guys that i've been you know, co workers for that's kind of took me on the they wings. You know Johnny Rodgers, you know Frank Ross, Dicky Simpsons who played for the Bulls. I mean, they are teaching me things every day, Vince about this part that and I'm always humbled myself because I've always want to learn. I always want to be surrounded by people who can, you know, elevate be as well. And it's just been good to be able to humble myself and not carry myself as into one Damson's basketball player, but like into Onence Jamieson, who's trying to who's part of a whole.
Different team that I enjoyed.
You can say the same thing, but I say this, I've never worked a day in my life playing the game and get paid to watch basketball and you get paid to like talk about it and things of that nature.
So I've been fortunate. It's been it's been a great experience.
To the people that I've been surrounded by have been unbelievable, and I continue to learn, you know, every every time I get on a phone call or every time I watch a game, and it's setting my notes in and it has been unbelievable being a gym. I know we had this conversation before. We're in a situation where it was a possibility, but you know, here we are. I think that was what three four years ago or maybe two three years ago, Really it wasn't that long ago. Do you still have those aspirations of being a GM or you know you're enjoying where you are. Then I follow up, what about coaching? I would have a coach, okay, because you got to think about it and be first one then last one to leave when things go right. Don't get no credit when things go wrong. We first went out of there. But I just remember, no low to the coaches. I'm with you, none of that. But like towards the end of my Washington Cleveland days, I was kind of a player coach because I had to relate to these young players. That's why I like the business, the positions of being down because from my side doing practices, I go in and talk to a d D outter about I know what's going on with your head, but it's hard for them to understand. And hinting from the same voice every day, Yeah for sure. And I just I just can't keep up that scale. That schedule is just it just too brutal for me. Eventually, Vince, I would love to. I think that thing that it's prevented me from achieving that quicker is because of Alexis is already grad school. But Katherine Rutger a j and Ava your.
Family, Yeah, yeah.
I when we was coming up, we had Ava, you know, we had Katherine and Kay at a young age, and we was just always gone, man, between practicing and playing.
The whole catholin e sperience is just like wow.
And now that I'm retired, you know Aj and Rucker playing basketball, I want to be able to if I do be in a position to be a gem, I have to be able to not only give it my all, be able to like best the two together. And I think right now I cannot do that, especially if I want to be there for all the games, most of the games, and now Ava's playing tennis. I want to like be there a disappointing stage four. So if it does happen and be a blessing, but I don't see it happening in the next couple of years.
Because Ruk is fourteen.
So by the time Rutg is like sixteen seventeen about to go to college, then I can see myself giving it all because it will be like ten or eleven and things of that nature. About he was fourteen about sixty four six, I mean he getting there, man, getting there. So right now, I just think the family aspect is like taking a more important role than like trying to careerize to that point right now. But I have no problem going at the pace. Like I said, I'm learning every day. I'm learning from the new guys we got now Will Dawkins and Travis and those guys.
Have been unbelievable. So I love it. I love learning.
I love trying to understand this generations of basketball players and the way the game is being played, Like if we're still going to have there's amount of three pointers taking ten years from now, or we're gonna go to different type of style of basketball. But I mean, it's just unbelievable to see the skills set that these players have and just in all of like the way the game is changed and to like kind of you know, fixate my mind and getting away from what we did but kind of implement to what they're doing to the uh And how has that transition been for you? Because I mean it's like now you're looking at you're looking at seven footers like, oh man, it's about can he shoot the three? More so than what is this what does this post moves look like?
Yeah?
But you know, think about when we came out if you were especially like in high school if he was tall, like you get the paint, but them it doesn't make a difference. And that's the one thing I'm saying. You gotta have a skill set. You gotta have you gotta be able to put the fundamentals down. I think back then it was just we was known for being very athletic and quick and things of that nature. But you see guys like jo Kis and Luke could come over here, like, look, we ain't got to be quick, we ain't gotta be athletic. We are skilled. And that's the way I see the game now. The game now, think about it, Like the game now is so much skilled. And when we played this unbelievable people like you know, when y'all played, you know those guys playing, man, these guys are skilled. Imagine like jokis playing in like the sixties and the se mean he can do it all. And like that's the one thing it's been smooth because I've always you know, try to like just you know, and I do kind of the game will be changing.
But like the thing that's been difficult for me.
Is that sometimes when we talk to these guys, the passion and like just like for us, Vince like you know, it was like this is this was it, and we played at a certain level. We play with a certain type of like pace and things of that nature, and sometimes and we play you know, we wouldn't sitting there with sitting there going you know behind it. I started working on the skill set to like midway through my my career. But I think about the time I'm going back to like when we was in college, three or four o'clock in the morning, we was out there like playing pickup games.
Yeah, and New Year's e. Yeah, it's like that was it is. Yeah. Yeah.
And the thing I think the biggest adjustment is that when we get these players now, it's almost like we're teaching them how to play, because they are skilled to the point where they can, you know, the left hand, they can do all these other things, but the planning aspect and like the other side of the game has to be taught because a lot of guys are able to make that quick transition where we played, but it's kind of been a little difficult for a lot of the young guys. Yeah, And because I mean, you talk about that and I just say that because you look at like.
A wimby who coming in check hunger.
And we're talking about seven foot two plus with a skill set. You know, you said you're looking at skill set. Now you're talking about seven foot two plus guys with a skill set with the ability to shoot the three, put the ball on the floor, and can post up, you know, like a nice HNT, whatever can get in the paint, can make plays off the dribble. Things that are that take time for guys. They're coming in with a version of that already. It's just I mean, I know for you, I mean obviously for me as a fan watching obviously talking about it, it's just fun.
But I bet that's I mean for.
You now scouting watching college basketball, so you're looking at, now, what skill set do you have? Not because oh he's a big body, he's strong, Okay, So what can you do? Something has to stand out, Something has to catch your eye, whether they are just a super athletic guy or skill big or he could just fight out and shoot the ball. Something has to catch your eye. And then from our experience as far as playing the game and being around it and understanding the way the game is being played now, trying to just see in the future for ten years in a row, can that translate to the next level, or he got all these Susans just built, but he went he just went to to be able like myself, Like I couldn't shoot the ball. In order for me to sustain to be in the league for sixty years, I had to learn how to shoot it. For a long time, you had the ability to still score, you run the floor, you had a high motor. So I still felt like you had a skill set that can still last in the lead. Now it was the evolution of the game. I feel like as he transitioned to year ten for us, the game started to change. Now the stretch forward became more of a priority, which I mean benefit of you, because you know, you went from just I'm not gonna say strictly post, but because you still had the mid range, but you were stepping out to eighteen twenty feet or whatever the case may be. Shooting the three. Now now it's like picking pop. Yeah, he's supposed to be in the pain. No, he out there shooting three. So but there again, we were prepared for it, you know, just understanding and your willingness to learn and change and adapt.
That was what did it for me.
Is my willingness to adapt to new role, new asks of me and everything, and you know I was still willing to do it. So Man, anyway, I'm gonna let you get out of here, but I appreciate you, know, always you coming here. Blessing the VC Show Season two. I had to get my guy on here first to kick off the new season. Thank you to iHeart for bringing me back so I can bring you on talk great basketball. Shout out to all the Carolina fans out there, because I mean, I'm sure you guys enjoyed this we were on before, but like we wanted to kind of bring it back again. Man, appreciate you man. You never asked my brother. I love you. You know it's there. Indeed, no, we've been brothers for spend a long time. So always to talk to you, man, and tell you to getting these people ears and to the living rooms and bring them something today that they would love to hear you cover say with so many great just individuals. So I'm just blessed to be a part of it again. You don't want to be a problem next time, So I love you, man to say hey to me home with the kids and every time you own you know, I got to say man. Shout out to Autamloca Elijah. Man, we love you brother always. You know, we always will never be forgotten. We're definitely always going to talk about you.
Man. So for those who don't recall Man, go look him up.
Man.
He's our brother. He's a great dude.
Man.
He he can light up a room. Yeah.
You know you might not be able to understand what he said all the time, but that man would light up a room.
Man.
Shout out to our tar Hill family as well. Man, much love Man. Thank you again brother any time, my brother. I appreciate it. What a trip down memory lane with Antoine Man shout out to him. All right, our upper room dunk of the week clip none other than you guessed it, Anthony Edwards. I mean it needs no introduction. Just sit back and enjoy and then I'll explain.
Dude, shouldn't one.
Let's talk about John Collins, My former teammate. John Collins was known as John the Baptist who has baptized a lot of people, not only to get dunked on.
He was concussed.
If you would right here, if you watch, the left arm hits John right in the face, and you see once the contact knocks him down. They said he got a concussion. And then you look at Anthony Edwards left finger dislocated ant tenors.
Hurt his hand on that too. That was ridiculous. Immediately looked down at his hand.
As much as the highlight you see the finger, good gracious, but here as a dunker, when you see Aaron opportunity, you take advantage of it. And he's one of those guys that you have a decision to make. And I think midway obviously John got hit in the face, but midway John knew he made a bad decision on trying to block this, especially with the athlete like Anthony Edwards, with this momentum you see here, here's the bounce pass one.
Two and then lean.
Anytime, if I can get up in the air before you and I can lean, meaning I can hit you first, I'm gonna win.
And this kind of.
Reminds me of what I did to Alonzo morning, is that I got up first, and I was leaning up in the air first, so any contact that I received helped me. Just like Anthony Edwards, he got up first, he's leaning, he can absorb contact obviously.
Can go a little higher.
And that was the ending result that was an Upper Room dunk of the week. Our next segment is who did I run into this week? Last week I got the opportunity to play in the Arnold Palmer Invitational pro Am and I was paired of with Trevor Lawrence, Colin Moorekawa, and Baron Corbyn who was a WWE wrestler. For those who you know know it. It was a great group. We did not win, learned a lot, had a good time. I played golf with with Trevor in a tournament or two before, so I kind of knew him already, so it was his great time.
Great group.
I played okay, the rough at bay Hill was insane, but you know, anytime you get an opportunity to play with a professional in any sport, me being a former professional, just like those other two guys, we were tuned in watching and learning and it was a great, great time, great opportunity. I wish I played better, but yeah, that's who I ran into. Shout out to those guys. I appreciate you guys for obviously allowing me to be a part of the group and watching me do my thing a little bit. And our last segment is shoutouts since we had Antoine Jamison on you guys know where he went to school. My shoutout goes to Hubert Davis and RJ.
Davis.
Hubert Davis who is the ACC Coach of the Year, RJ. Davis who is the ACC Player of the Year, and both of those are nominated for the National IF Say Award for both, So shout out to those guys. Good luck to him obviously, good luck to my tar Heels as they go through the tournament. It's gonna be tough, but always have faith. It's always a great day to be a tar Heel. Signing off, I appreciate everybody, Thank you, thank you for joining us. What season two is now back? Subscribe to us, follow us, keep us in your mind, kick your feet up every week.
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