Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today. I have a podcast for you that I actually recorded on Friday, which was obviously before the assassination attempt on former President Trump's life, And oddly enough, in this podcast, it's really relevant because Julian Epstein is on with me and he's a Democrat, and we actually talk about the divide between the two parties and within the parties themselves. And I had to add this to the beginning of that podcast because of what happened on Saturday night. And first of all, I just want to say that we are praying for the family who lost their family member at the rally and the others who are hospitalized.

Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today. I have a podcast for you that I actually recorded on Friday, which was obviously before the assassination attempt on former President Trump's life, And oddly enough, in this podcast, it's really relevant because Julian Epstein is on with me and he's a Democrat, and we actually talk about the divide between the two parties and within the parties themselves. And I had to add this to the beginning of that podcast because of what happened on Saturday night. And first of all, I just want to say that we are praying for the family who lost their family member at the rally and the others who are hospitalized.

I just.

I just.

I am shocked that this is where we are as a country, that this nasty rhetoric, this constant idea that there's someone out there that is a threat to you in the United States of America, could cause someone to then go and commit se to horrendous act in an attempt to assassinate the former president. But ultimately, we have people whose families will never be the same today, and I do believe that that is directly linked back to all of these blowny garbage threats that life will never be the same if Donald Trump gets into office. And I think right now this should be a time of reflection, and so I'm actually coming to you all and asking you for prayer, Prayer for those of us who have a platform that can speak, prayer for the right words to speak. We've found out that words have so much power, and we've heard so many negative words about conservatives lately, and I'm telling you the one that is concerning me most is telling people, especially young people and impressionable people, that we as conservatives are a threat. During my campaign, a group like I've experienced this and I feel like I need to talk about this because having these people say I was a threat, it's just so ridiculous. It's so un American. And during my campaign there was a group called Defend Democracy Project and they actually listed me as a threat to democracy. It's like a group that puts out a hit list on you. I mean, really, this is like, these are the people that you should be afraid of, these are the bad ones. And why they said I took part in unprecedented attempts to overturn the will of American voters. How, I mean, how what was I involved in? Nothing? Nothing? There's nothing. The article doesn't ever explain it. They never have to, because that's how this works when you're a Republican. I've never been a part of anything like that, not even remotely, but I don't have to have been, because now they got what they wanted, They got their headline, and they knew that. As soon as people would hear oh, she's a threat, she's on a hit list, she's a threat, they would want to scare me, They would want to scare voters, and maybe even they would want to hurt me. And these groups get paid. I mean they talk about the grift. They get paid to create a list of people who are bad Conservatives, and then they distribute to this to all their little lackeys who are going to go out and say, Okay, this person's a threat, and that person's a threat, and you have to be aware of this. Well over the weekend, this went too far. You can say what you want about conservatives, but we don't have any groups putting Whitmer on a hit list. I mean, despite her illegal orders, despite the fact that she threw people in jail for no reason at all, She stole people's business licenses, she robbed children of an education. We didn't go out there and say she's a threat, said vote against her. We have a system for this. The system is not taking the person out. The system is not putting the person in jail. The system is vote them out. But you see, their policies are so bad. Their policies are so so bad that they can't say we don't like her policies because they're actually good. They couldn't come after me for what I would saying that would fix the state. They had to come after me for something else. And they have to make their political opponents inhumane. They wanted to so that people can't morally support you. They want to label you in such a way that there's no defense. I mean, if you think about this, like their label for me was I was an extremist, like you know everybody who's the right now, I was an extremist. I was an extremist on abortion, and their rights would never be the same. The funny thing about it is I wasn't going to have any choice in what happened on abortion, no matter what. And the bizarre part about it is, no matter how many times I said I don't know, I'm not actually choosing what happens. The people of the state of Michigan, they're choosing what happens on abortion. It's up to them to decide. They're going to vote on this. I don't choose what happens. And the governor Whitmer at the time, said, oh, she'll change it. Shed she'll go in there. She's an extremist, she'll change it. And I said, can't change the constitution. This is a constitutional amendment. I am running for office to abide by the law. Didn't matter. Do you think a single media organization came out and said, actually, Tutor Dixon will have no effect on abortion, and actually, if you should vote one way or another, Tutor Dixon can do nothing ever on abortion. Nope, because these media organizations are responsible. They're part of it. They're part of the hit lists. They're helping to put people on it. School choice the same, she's going to take away education. How bizarre this is after kids in Michigan have not had an education in over a year, and the media they go let right along with it, and they make me into a monster on policy, but beyond on my own personal belief system, if it doesn't line up with everybody else's in the state, then somehow I'm going to change the constitution. It's crazy. And don't get me wrong, I've seen responses to this assassination attempt on former President Trump's life, and they've been disgusting from both sides this weekend. Both sides. I've seen these horrible responses from people who talk about better aim and they wish that it actually happened, all these horrific things. But I've also seen people on our side who have immediately jumped on this DEI blowney, saying women can't be in the Secret Service and this is so dangerous, and we can't have women have these jobs. Where are all the burly men, where all the marines? I have news for you, and I'm serious about this. These are what we call the hot takes. Those are the people who are saying things that make no sense, and they actually help nothing in the moment, in this moment, when you see those things, when you see those people who are like women's suck, get them out of any position. Get those people off your social media feed. When you see the people who are like, darn it, he missed, wish they'd gotten him, Get those people off your social media feed, because those people they're not there to actually talk about something reasonable. Well, they're not talking about policy. They don't know what training these women have gone through, and they don't know what we as women go through to have the jobs that we have. They aren't doing it because they're trying to be constructive. They're saying these things because they want to get clicks. It's their business. They get more money, more clicks, more money. They're saying something that is so unthinkable that you might go, oh, yeah, maybe it was the women. I'll like that. They're wrong. They're wrong. We are working so hard out here to make sure that Americans just continue being Americans, that they just continue to have freedoms, that these people who are serving themselves that are just trying to become rich on social media, that they are not the ones that are controlling young people today. There are so many conservatives out there that are like, listen, we want less government. We want to make sure that you have your freedoms. We want to make sure that you can worship where you want to worship, that you can afford your groceries, that your kids get educated. But these hot takes, they don't help. They're not helping. They're simply not helping bashing people on either side. And in this moment, this is the moment when you go, WHOA, Wow, this got out of hand. Now we have to think clearly. We have to be careful with our words. We have to be intentional with our words. We have to step back and ask God to help us be intentional with our words. And I would say, if you are someone who has a platform, or even if you're just talking to your friends or your neighbors, be intentional right now with your words. Make sure your words mean what you want them to mean, because we're all wishing that something could have been different on Saturday night, that there wasn't somebody who had been driven to this, that this disgusting message, this clickbait message, this ratings message. That America is going to be better than this going forward. And I say that the clickbait message because these people who you see on social media, it's not just them, my gosh, it's the people on TV as well, the people on TV who have called for President Trump to be eliminated. Let us get back to fighting on policy and talking about what's better for our kids, what's better for our seniors, what's better for America. Let us fight on those principles. No more calling each other a threat. There are no threats in this country under the Founding Fathers government that they set up. They made it so that there are no threats that if someone terrible gets in, you can vote them out the next time. That you fight on equal ground, on fair ground, that you fight on policies, and you fight on truth. You fight on truth because words matter, and because the words that I've heard from the mainstream media, the constant threats to democracy. Nancy Pelosi is saying that we have to get rid of Donald Trump. You've got senators out there, what's the same, Senator Goldman saying that he has to be eliminated. If you've got Joe Biden saying you got to put a bullseye on him. Because all those words they mean something. And eventually you figure out that what they're saying and what people are hearing is that they're saying it's time to kill someone. They don't necessarily mean that. This is just conversation. But that kid, he heard that, he heard that and he was like, man, I got to protect this country. There's nothing I wouldn't do to protect this country. I got to do it. Because that's what these people in power are telling me. There's no other protection out there. Good grief, it's ridiculous. Only people who are saying that Donald Trump can't get elected because he's a threat are people who don't know how government works, or they're so obsessed with being in control they're willing to brainwash people to try to get there. If we constantly go after people and say we've got a police, we've got to police everybody, then everybody's going to be policed. We've just got to get back to having normal conversations. I mean, you look at what they've done to President Trump.

I am shocked that this is where we are as a country, that this nasty rhetoric, this constant idea that there's someone out there that is a threat to you in the United States of America, could cause someone to then go and commit se to horrendous act in an attempt to assassinate the former president. But ultimately, we have people whose families will never be the same today, and I do believe that that is directly linked back to all of these blowny garbage threats that life will never be the same if Donald Trump gets into office. And I think right now this should be a time of reflection, and so I'm actually coming to you all and asking you for prayer, Prayer for those of us who have a platform that can speak, prayer for the right words to speak. We've found out that words have so much power, and we've heard so many negative words about conservatives lately, and I'm telling you the one that is concerning me most is telling people, especially young people and impressionable people, that we as conservatives are a threat. During my campaign, a group like I've experienced this and I feel like I need to talk about this because having these people say I was a threat, it's just so ridiculous. It's so un American. And during my campaign there was a group called Defend Democracy Project and they actually listed me as a threat to democracy. It's like a group that puts out a hit list on you. I mean, really, this is like, these are the people that you should be afraid of, these are the bad ones. And why they said I took part in unprecedented attempts to overturn the will of American voters. How, I mean, how what was I involved in? Nothing? Nothing? There's nothing. The article doesn't ever explain it. They never have to, because that's how this works when you're a Republican. I've never been a part of anything like that, not even remotely, but I don't have to have been, because now they got what they wanted, They got their headline, and they knew that. As soon as people would hear oh, she's a threat, she's on a hit list, she's a threat, they would want to scare me, They would want to scare voters, and maybe even they would want to hurt me. And these groups get paid. I mean they talk about the grift. They get paid to create a list of people who are bad Conservatives, and then they distribute to this to all their little lackeys who are going to go out and say, Okay, this person's a threat, and that person's a threat, and you have to be aware of this. Well over the weekend, this went too far. You can say what you want about conservatives, but we don't have any groups putting Whitmer on a hit list. I mean, despite her illegal orders, despite the fact that she threw people in jail for no reason at all, She stole people's business licenses, she robbed children of an education. We didn't go out there and say she's a threat, said vote against her. We have a system for this. The system is not taking the person out. The system is not putting the person in jail. The system is vote them out. But you see, their policies are so bad. Their policies are so so bad that they can't say we don't like her policies because they're actually good. They couldn't come after me for what I would saying that would fix the state. They had to come after me for something else. And they have to make their political opponents inhumane. They wanted to so that people can't morally support you. They want to label you in such a way that there's no defense. I mean, if you think about this, like their label for me was I was an extremist, like you know everybody who's the right now, I was an extremist. I was an extremist on abortion, and their rights would never be the same. The funny thing about it is I wasn't going to have any choice in what happened on abortion, no matter what. And the bizarre part about it is, no matter how many times I said I don't know, I'm not actually choosing what happens. The people of the state of Michigan, they're choosing what happens on abortion. It's up to them to decide. They're going to vote on this. I don't choose what happens. And the governor Whitmer at the time, said, oh, she'll change it. Shed she'll go in there. She's an extremist, she'll change it. And I said, can't change the constitution. This is a constitutional amendment. I am running for office to abide by the law. Didn't matter. Do you think a single media organization came out and said, actually, Tutor Dixon will have no effect on abortion, and actually, if you should vote one way or another, Tutor Dixon can do nothing ever on abortion. Nope, because these media organizations are responsible. They're part of it. They're part of the hit lists. They're helping to put people on it. School choice the same, she's going to take away education. How bizarre this is after kids in Michigan have not had an education in over a year, and the media they go let right along with it, and they make me into a monster on policy, but beyond on my own personal belief system, if it doesn't line up with everybody else's in the state, then somehow I'm going to change the constitution. It's crazy. And don't get me wrong, I've seen responses to this assassination attempt on former President Trump's life, and they've been disgusting from both sides this weekend. Both sides. I've seen these horrible responses from people who talk about better aim and they wish that it actually happened, all these horrific things. But I've also seen people on our side who have immediately jumped on this DEI blowney, saying women can't be in the Secret Service and this is so dangerous, and we can't have women have these jobs. Where are all the burly men, where all the marines? I have news for you, and I'm serious about this. These are what we call the hot takes. Those are the people who are saying things that make no sense, and they actually help nothing in the moment, in this moment, when you see those things, when you see those people who are like women's suck, get them out of any position. Get those people off your social media feed. When you see the people who are like, darn it, he missed, wish they'd gotten him, Get those people off your social media feed, because those people they're not there to actually talk about something reasonable. Well, they're not talking about policy. They don't know what training these women have gone through, and they don't know what we as women go through to have the jobs that we have. They aren't doing it because they're trying to be constructive. They're saying these things because they want to get clicks. It's their business. They get more money, more clicks, more money. They're saying something that is so unthinkable that you might go, oh, yeah, maybe it was the women. I'll like that. They're wrong. They're wrong. We are working so hard out here to make sure that Americans just continue being Americans, that they just continue to have freedoms, that these people who are serving themselves that are just trying to become rich on social media, that they are not the ones that are controlling young people today. There are so many conservatives out there that are like, listen, we want less government. We want to make sure that you have your freedoms. We want to make sure that you can worship where you want to worship, that you can afford your groceries, that your kids get educated. But these hot takes, they don't help. They're not helping. They're simply not helping bashing people on either side. And in this moment, this is the moment when you go, WHOA, Wow, this got out of hand. Now we have to think clearly. We have to be careful with our words. We have to be intentional with our words. We have to step back and ask God to help us be intentional with our words. And I would say, if you are someone who has a platform, or even if you're just talking to your friends or your neighbors, be intentional right now with your words. Make sure your words mean what you want them to mean, because we're all wishing that something could have been different on Saturday night, that there wasn't somebody who had been driven to this, that this disgusting message, this clickbait message, this ratings message. That America is going to be better than this going forward. And I say that the clickbait message because these people who you see on social media, it's not just them, my gosh, it's the people on TV as well, the people on TV who have called for President Trump to be eliminated. Let us get back to fighting on policy and talking about what's better for our kids, what's better for our seniors, what's better for America. Let us fight on those principles. No more calling each other a threat. There are no threats in this country under the Founding Fathers government that they set up. They made it so that there are no threats that if someone terrible gets in, you can vote them out the next time. That you fight on equal ground, on fair ground, that you fight on policies, and you fight on truth. You fight on truth because words matter, and because the words that I've heard from the mainstream media, the constant threats to democracy. Nancy Pelosi is saying that we have to get rid of Donald Trump. You've got senators out there, what's the same, Senator Goldman saying that he has to be eliminated. If you've got Joe Biden saying you got to put a bullseye on him. Because all those words they mean something. And eventually you figure out that what they're saying and what people are hearing is that they're saying it's time to kill someone. They don't necessarily mean that. This is just conversation. But that kid, he heard that, he heard that and he was like, man, I got to protect this country. There's nothing I wouldn't do to protect this country. I got to do it. Because that's what these people in power are telling me. There's no other protection out there. Good grief, it's ridiculous. Only people who are saying that Donald Trump can't get elected because he's a threat are people who don't know how government works, or they're so obsessed with being in control they're willing to brainwash people to try to get there. If we constantly go after people and say we've got a police, we've got to police everybody, then everybody's going to be policed. We've just got to get back to having normal conversations. I mean, you look at what they've done to President Trump.

Man.

Man.

They're in trouble now. They've been saying, gosh, he's a convicted felon, he's this threat to democracy. He's such a bad guy. They created all of this, and now they had someone on their side do the unthinkable. And so the question is like, at this point do we go back and we say man, hmm. I heard Joid Read, I heard Joy Red say it. I've heard Caitln Collins say it, heard Nancy Pelosi say it. I've heard all of these people on the left of my gosh, I've heard Morning Joe say it, heard all of these people say you got to get rid of him, you got to eliminate him. Do all of those people have to go to jail or do we take a step back and do we say we stop, we stop with this crazy rhetoric. We'd stop with the threats. We stop saying this because it's dangerous and it's coming directly from the media. Like I said, I know because I was a candidate and I thought the same thing I thought at that time. Man, they're not asking me questions because they want to know who I am. They don't want to know about my policy, they don't want to fight on fair ground. They're asking me these questions because they want to help Democrats make ads. They're figuring out how to get that one SoundBite that they can make me sound like a threat. A threat, And there is nothing scarier to the people of America, nothing scarier to this younger generation who has never had a threat. They've never had to fight a war. They didn't see nine to eleven up close and personal. They never saw World War Two, they've never seen Vietnam. So political threat, that's potentially the scariest threat they've ever seen in their lifetime. And they have to eliminate it. Stop talking like this. You hear me talk about policy, and I'll say one more thing. Gretchen Woimer didn't want to fight on policy. And you're probably going to see this over the next few days, but I think she was one of the original people calling for Donald Trump to be eliminated because when we were in the midst of the pandemic and she didn't like the way he was handling the pandemic, and she felt like she had to come out and go after him in some way. She decided to put a little sticker in the back of her media hit area so that every time she went on TV, there was a sticker that said, eighty six forty five. Eighty six forty five. You know what happens when you're eighty six something, I mean, you go in the kitchen, kill the onions. Eighty six. She knew what it meant. She knew exactly what it meant. She called for the assassination of a president. I think she's an idiot. I don't think that she should go to jail for it. I think she's an idiot. I think that we've gotten too many people that are idiots out there that say whatever they want because she's also obsessed with the clickbait, obsessed with the social media. We as Michiganders, pay more money for our social media team than I think anything else because her social media runs over time. And she thought that would be hilarious. She thought that would get a lot of clicks. Go to the edge, be as risky as possible. Say women shouldn't be involved in the secret service. Go out there and say, man, we wish she didn't miss. Go out there and threaten eighty six forty five. It's enough. Be done. Start praying for people to say the right thing, and I'm included in that. Help me to say the right thing. Help me to speak words that God wants me to speak to, have the Spirit speak through me. Because it's time to stop to run for office like normal people. Stop saying conservatives are a threat. And I say this before you listen to this, because it's interesting. I talked to Julian Epstein about all of this, and I mean, oddly enough, we talk about what it is to be a good Republican and a good Democrat and speak together. And you're going to hear in this interview a Democrat and a Republican come together and say we don't always agree, but it's at mean that we have to be mean to each other. Doesn't mean that we can't talk. We can talk. And so I sort of loved that this was the interview because I just feel like that was a god thing And I want you to listen to this with an open mind and think about what it means for the future and how we can come together. And before I introduce this to you, I just want to say again that my prayers are with President Trump, and my prayers are with the family of the man out of Pennsylvania and the people who are in the hospital right now, and really for all of the people in this country for the tensions, for the political fights. These are not fair fights, but I'm praying for them, and I'm praying for President Biden, and I'm praying for Gretchen Wimmer, and I'm praying that we all get back to saying the right things, fighting fairly, talking about policy, talking about what we want for you, because these are the people who are here to fight and serve. With that, I introduced this interview with Julian Epstein, and I'm so glad that you guys continue listening to me and I hope that I can serve you well, and I hope that my words will be positive and encouraging for you. Julian, thank you so much for joining. We were just talking about how things in both parties are obviously a lot different, and you have been criticized in the past because you came out. I think it was in November of twenty three, or maybe it was even before that that you came out and said you thought that Joe Biden should not run again. And people really mad at you then, weren't they.

They're in trouble now. They've been saying, gosh, he's a convicted felon, he's this threat to democracy. He's such a bad guy. They created all of this, and now they had someone on their side do the unthinkable. And so the question is like, at this point do we go back and we say man, hmm. I heard Joid Read, I heard Joy Red say it. I've heard Caitln Collins say it, heard Nancy Pelosi say it. I've heard all of these people on the left of my gosh, I've heard Morning Joe say it, heard all of these people say you got to get rid of him, you got to eliminate him. Do all of those people have to go to jail or do we take a step back and do we say we stop, we stop with this crazy rhetoric. We'd stop with the threats. We stop saying this because it's dangerous and it's coming directly from the media. Like I said, I know because I was a candidate and I thought the same thing I thought at that time. Man, they're not asking me questions because they want to know who I am. They don't want to know about my policy, they don't want to fight on fair ground. They're asking me these questions because they want to help Democrats make ads. They're figuring out how to get that one SoundBite that they can make me sound like a threat. A threat, And there is nothing scarier to the people of America, nothing scarier to this younger generation who has never had a threat. They've never had to fight a war. They didn't see nine to eleven up close and personal. They never saw World War Two, they've never seen Vietnam. So political threat, that's potentially the scariest threat they've ever seen in their lifetime. And they have to eliminate it. Stop talking like this. You hear me talk about policy, and I'll say one more thing. Gretchen Woimer didn't want to fight on policy. And you're probably going to see this over the next few days, but I think she was one of the original people calling for Donald Trump to be eliminated because when we were in the midst of the pandemic and she didn't like the way he was handling the pandemic, and she felt like she had to come out and go after him in some way. She decided to put a little sticker in the back of her media hit area so that every time she went on TV, there was a sticker that said, eighty six forty five. Eighty six forty five. You know what happens when you're eighty six something, I mean, you go in the kitchen, kill the onions. Eighty six. She knew what it meant. She knew exactly what it meant. She called for the assassination of a president. I think she's an idiot. I don't think that she should go to jail for it. I think she's an idiot. I think that we've gotten too many people that are idiots out there that say whatever they want because she's also obsessed with the clickbait, obsessed with the social media. We as Michiganders, pay more money for our social media team than I think anything else because her social media runs over time. And she thought that would be hilarious. She thought that would get a lot of clicks. Go to the edge, be as risky as possible. Say women shouldn't be involved in the secret service. Go out there and say, man, we wish she didn't miss. Go out there and threaten eighty six forty five. It's enough. Be done. Start praying for people to say the right thing, and I'm included in that. Help me to say the right thing. Help me to speak words that God wants me to speak to, have the Spirit speak through me. Because it's time to stop to run for office like normal people. Stop saying conservatives are a threat. And I say this before you listen to this, because it's interesting. I talked to Julian Epstein about all of this, and I mean, oddly enough, we talk about what it is to be a good Republican and a good Democrat and speak together. And you're going to hear in this interview a Democrat and a Republican come together and say we don't always agree, but it's at mean that we have to be mean to each other. Doesn't mean that we can't talk. We can talk. And so I sort of loved that this was the interview because I just feel like that was a god thing And I want you to listen to this with an open mind and think about what it means for the future and how we can come together. And before I introduce this to you, I just want to say again that my prayers are with President Trump, and my prayers are with the family of the man out of Pennsylvania and the people who are in the hospital right now, and really for all of the people in this country for the tensions, for the political fights. These are not fair fights, but I'm praying for them, and I'm praying for President Biden, and I'm praying for Gretchen Wimmer, and I'm praying that we all get back to saying the right things, fighting fairly, talking about policy, talking about what we want for you, because these are the people who are here to fight and serve. With that, I introduced this interview with Julian Epstein, and I'm so glad that you guys continue listening to me and I hope that I can serve you well, and I hope that my words will be positive and encouraging for you. Julian, thank you so much for joining. We were just talking about how things in both parties are obviously a lot different, and you have been criticized in the past because you came out. I think it was in November of twenty three, or maybe it was even before that that you came out and said you thought that Joe Biden should not run again. And people really mad at you then, weren't they.

Yeah, well, Tutor, First of all, it is a pleasure to be back on with you. As I think I mentioned on social media the other day, I always enjoy our conversations because I always feel like I'm learn something when we chat, which is more than I can say about most conversations I have people in politics these days, people are so dug in and not willing to sort of consider the weakness of maybe their own views or be open to being persuaded. So I really enjoy our conversations. Yeah. I wrote the piece in March of twenty three actually arguing that Biden shouldn't run, and I argue that for two reasons. One is I didn't think then that he had the mental capacity for a second term and all of the evidence, I mean, the fact that the debate was such a surprise to people is what the surprise is, because the evidence has been on the table for so long. I mean. The most compelling piece of evidence for me, and when I turned was very early on in the Biden administration in August of twenty twenty one, during the withdrawal from Afghanistan, which was a horrible disaster for American security and an embarrassment. But more importantly, Biden's generals all thought that we could have stabilized the Afghani government by maintaining a skeletal force of five six seven thousand advisors, air force capability, a number of things that were spelled out. When Biden was interviewed in late August about it, or early September after the fateful withdrawal, he didn't know what his general's positions were on that. He insisted that his generals all supported the complete withdrawal and supported his position, which they didn't, and they testified before Congress that they didn't. And this to me was the canary and the coal mine that indicated there was a big disconnect that would have serious consequences for the country, and in this case for national securities. You've seen Al Qaeda has now repopulated Afghanistan and they committed an attack in Russia recently at the theater, and Afghanistan is a pretty sad situation. I had an event at my house actually last night and met a young woman whose father was killed by the Taliban, and she reports what an incredibly repressive, horrible situation it is in Afghanistan and particularly for women. And you know, we got into the conversation about what Gaza would look like if Gaza, if Amas is allowed to prevail, and she said, quite literally, you know, we are going down the road towards the talibanization of Gaza, and the and the sort of the Palestinian population has been radicalized by Gaza. And so all of this is a long way of saying that the disconnect on Biden onn Afghanistan has been shown sort of in my mind elsewhere, I think the Mid East policy has been incoherent and has hurt not just our security, but has compromised Israel in particular sort of the you know, the both sides. You know, sometimes I'm behind Israel sometimes I'm criticizing Israel, which has been an invitation for Iran and has been amaster just to step up. And you know, you hear Democrats saying, well, the only problem right now is that Biden, you know, may not have the mental capacity for a second term, but he sure has had a good first term. And I say to myself, you know, what planet are you living on? And again, in the same way that I think Democratic elites lied to the country when they knew Biden didn't have the capacity for a second term, and I think the staff is cravingly holding onto power, and there's been sort of a cultural rod on the left, they similarly don't get. They have this elite fantasy that if you pass the American Rescue Plan or the Inflation Reduction Act or the Infrastructure Bill, that it's a successful presidency because you can count legislation on your hand the number of bills passed. Well, the problem with that is that Americans don't care about the number of bills you passed. Americans care about real results. So when they see twenty percent inflation, they think, no, this has not been a good presidency. When they think when they see the borders, you know, the floodgates have just broken on the borders, and we've had ten million plus illegal migrants coming across the border. That's chaos. When they see the crime spikes, you know, you hear democrats say, well, crime went down last year. Well it's not the point. The point is, in particularly blue cities, since the summer of twenty twenty, when we've had this real insane push for de prosecution, you've seen huge crime spikes in the cities, in blue cities where these prosecutors are calling the shots. And you know, I live in Washington, d C. A good part of the year and you see it here every day. Everyone you know in this city has had been a victim of some type of crime. So there's chaos. I think people see the chaos. They don't like the economic results, they don't like migrat problem, they don't like the crime problem, and they don't like critical gender and critical race. It's not to say that we shouldn't address those issues, you know, sensitively. If, for example, and I'm probably going on a little along here, if for example, a teenager has gender dysphoria, you treat that teenager with kindness and care and sensitivity. But it's a very very different argument, I think, to art to say that that teenager should be coached towards gender transformation. And as we know from the Hillary cast report, this industry is maybe creating all kinds of really practices that are aggravating and making worse the situation of these teenagers who are in trouble. Uh. And it's an industry that is driven in some part by profit and the fact that the Democrats haven't been able to find a happy place on that this is just an example. You know, treat kids that have these problems with care and kindness, but it doesn't mean you coach them to change their gender before they really know what they're doing. Similarly, with title nine, you and I have talked about this before. You know, biological men playing in women's sports. Again, you treat you know, everybody should be treated with kindness and sensitivity and fairness and warmth, but it doesn't mean you're letting biological men into women's locker rooms. And Democrats have not been able to find that happy, happy center, that common sense center on a whole range of issues, and the fact that Democrats now think that they've had a successful agenda is belied by all of the polling data, which shows that they are underwater almost every issue except for abortion.

Yeah, well, Tutor, First of all, it is a pleasure to be back on with you. As I think I mentioned on social media the other day, I always enjoy our conversations because I always feel like I'm learn something when we chat, which is more than I can say about most conversations I have people in politics these days, people are so dug in and not willing to sort of consider the weakness of maybe their own views or be open to being persuaded. So I really enjoy our conversations. Yeah. I wrote the piece in March of twenty three actually arguing that Biden shouldn't run, and I argue that for two reasons. One is I didn't think then that he had the mental capacity for a second term and all of the evidence, I mean, the fact that the debate was such a surprise to people is what the surprise is, because the evidence has been on the table for so long. I mean. The most compelling piece of evidence for me, and when I turned was very early on in the Biden administration in August of twenty twenty one, during the withdrawal from Afghanistan, which was a horrible disaster for American security and an embarrassment. But more importantly, Biden's generals all thought that we could have stabilized the Afghani government by maintaining a skeletal force of five six seven thousand advisors, air force capability, a number of things that were spelled out. When Biden was interviewed in late August about it, or early September after the fateful withdrawal, he didn't know what his general's positions were on that. He insisted that his generals all supported the complete withdrawal and supported his position, which they didn't, and they testified before Congress that they didn't. And this to me was the canary and the coal mine that indicated there was a big disconnect that would have serious consequences for the country, and in this case for national securities. You've seen Al Qaeda has now repopulated Afghanistan and they committed an attack in Russia recently at the theater, and Afghanistan is a pretty sad situation. I had an event at my house actually last night and met a young woman whose father was killed by the Taliban, and she reports what an incredibly repressive, horrible situation it is in Afghanistan and particularly for women. And you know, we got into the conversation about what Gaza would look like if Gaza, if Amas is allowed to prevail, and she said, quite literally, you know, we are going down the road towards the talibanization of Gaza, and the and the sort of the Palestinian population has been radicalized by Gaza. And so all of this is a long way of saying that the disconnect on Biden onn Afghanistan has been shown sort of in my mind elsewhere, I think the Mid East policy has been incoherent and has hurt not just our security, but has compromised Israel in particular sort of the you know, the both sides. You know, sometimes I'm behind Israel sometimes I'm criticizing Israel, which has been an invitation for Iran and has been amaster just to step up. And you know, you hear Democrats saying, well, the only problem right now is that Biden, you know, may not have the mental capacity for a second term, but he sure has had a good first term. And I say to myself, you know, what planet are you living on? And again, in the same way that I think Democratic elites lied to the country when they knew Biden didn't have the capacity for a second term, and I think the staff is cravingly holding onto power, and there's been sort of a cultural rod on the left, they similarly don't get. They have this elite fantasy that if you pass the American Rescue Plan or the Inflation Reduction Act or the Infrastructure Bill, that it's a successful presidency because you can count legislation on your hand the number of bills passed. Well, the problem with that is that Americans don't care about the number of bills you passed. Americans care about real results. So when they see twenty percent inflation, they think, no, this has not been a good presidency. When they think when they see the borders, you know, the floodgates have just broken on the borders, and we've had ten million plus illegal migrants coming across the border. That's chaos. When they see the crime spikes, you know, you hear democrats say, well, crime went down last year. Well it's not the point. The point is, in particularly blue cities, since the summer of twenty twenty, when we've had this real insane push for de prosecution, you've seen huge crime spikes in the cities, in blue cities where these prosecutors are calling the shots. And you know, I live in Washington, d C. A good part of the year and you see it here every day. Everyone you know in this city has had been a victim of some type of crime. So there's chaos. I think people see the chaos. They don't like the economic results, they don't like migrat problem, they don't like the crime problem, and they don't like critical gender and critical race. It's not to say that we shouldn't address those issues, you know, sensitively. If, for example, and I'm probably going on a little along here, if for example, a teenager has gender dysphoria, you treat that teenager with kindness and care and sensitivity. But it's a very very different argument, I think, to art to say that that teenager should be coached towards gender transformation. And as we know from the Hillary cast report, this industry is maybe creating all kinds of really practices that are aggravating and making worse the situation of these teenagers who are in trouble. Uh. And it's an industry that is driven in some part by profit and the fact that the Democrats haven't been able to find a happy place on that this is just an example. You know, treat kids that have these problems with care and kindness, but it doesn't mean you coach them to change their gender before they really know what they're doing. Similarly, with title nine, you and I have talked about this before. You know, biological men playing in women's sports. Again, you treat you know, everybody should be treated with kindness and sensitivity and fairness and warmth, but it doesn't mean you're letting biological men into women's locker rooms. And Democrats have not been able to find that happy, happy center, that common sense center on a whole range of issues, and the fact that Democrats now think that they've had a successful agenda is belied by all of the polling data, which shows that they are underwater almost every issue except for abortion.

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I think that's very well said Tutor. I mean, I think that the problem that occurred with a Biden mental capacity issue is one a narcissism on the part of Biden and the family believing I'm the only person that can save the country, and that is narcissism. He's probably, amongst the candidates that are discussed, the worst position to win of all of them. So there's a narcissism. There's a cravenness on the part of the staff who misled the public and all of us, although I don't know how people could be so naive to be misled when so much evidence on the table, but there's a cravenness on part of the staff. There is a deception that has occurred amongst Democratic Party elites for which there should be an accounting. This is like the cordiers of a royal court in sixteenth century Britain, where you just sort of go out and tell people that it's the weather is great when it's raining outside, and expect if you repeat it enough, people will actually start to believe you. And then there's a news media which you point out. You know, there was an interesting article I don't know if you saw it, tutor in the column in by a conservative columnist in the Washington Post yesterday, Megan mccartal, who argued that Fox News viewers were much more informed about the president's mental condition and mental fitness than were the viewers of the other networks and mainstream media. And you know, so I sort of second that. I think that's true, but I think you can also say that was true about Afghanistan, they were more in the No Afghanistan they were. They had a much better fix on the fact that inflation was not transitory. They had a much better fix that the public was really disapproving of the migration mess and crime as well. And if you track where the Democrats are behind on the major issues, everything other than abortion, you will see and I argue this to my friends all the time on the left, you should pay attention to conservative media. You'll become a lot smarter if you listen to conservative media, because you would have had an early warning system on all the problems we're facing on globally right now. You would have had an early warning system on inflation, migration, crime, sort of on down the line. And in fact, what we're seeing in the polling, which again Democrats are not recognized, is they're way behind on most issues. And if they sort of listened to if they had listened to sort of opposing opinions which you can get in conservative media, I think they would have been a lot smarter on this issue. And itt tracks. I think with groupthink authoritarian mindset that's occurring on the left where they shut down primaries because they didn't want debate they don't really listen to talk to dissenting views on policy issues because there is this really sort of there is this sort of progressive orthodoxy that is that it is. It's so fragile and such sort of you know, there's so there's such chemophiliacs that they feel if they're criticized from the left, the whole thing will fall apart, and it's what ultimately makes you very stupid.

I think that's very well said Tutor. I mean, I think that the problem that occurred with a Biden mental capacity issue is one a narcissism on the part of Biden and the family believing I'm the only person that can save the country, and that is narcissism. He's probably, amongst the candidates that are discussed, the worst position to win of all of them. So there's a narcissism. There's a cravenness on the part of the staff who misled the public and all of us, although I don't know how people could be so naive to be misled when so much evidence on the table, but there's a cravenness on part of the staff. There is a deception that has occurred amongst Democratic Party elites for which there should be an accounting. This is like the cordiers of a royal court in sixteenth century Britain, where you just sort of go out and tell people that it's the weather is great when it's raining outside, and expect if you repeat it enough, people will actually start to believe you. And then there's a news media which you point out. You know, there was an interesting article I don't know if you saw it, tutor in the column in by a conservative columnist in the Washington Post yesterday, Megan mccartal, who argued that Fox News viewers were much more informed about the president's mental condition and mental fitness than were the viewers of the other networks and mainstream media. And you know, so I sort of second that. I think that's true, but I think you can also say that was true about Afghanistan, they were more in the No Afghanistan they were. They had a much better fix on the fact that inflation was not transitory. They had a much better fix that the public was really disapproving of the migration mess and crime as well. And if you track where the Democrats are behind on the major issues, everything other than abortion, you will see and I argue this to my friends all the time on the left, you should pay attention to conservative media. You'll become a lot smarter if you listen to conservative media, because you would have had an early warning system on all the problems we're facing on globally right now. You would have had an early warning system on inflation, migration, crime, sort of on down the line. And in fact, what we're seeing in the polling, which again Democrats are not recognized, is they're way behind on most issues. And if they sort of listened to if they had listened to sort of opposing opinions which you can get in conservative media, I think they would have been a lot smarter on this issue. And itt tracks. I think with groupthink authoritarian mindset that's occurring on the left where they shut down primaries because they didn't want debate they don't really listen to talk to dissenting views on policy issues because there is this really sort of there is this sort of progressive orthodoxy that is that it is. It's so fragile and such sort of you know, there's so there's such chemophiliacs that they feel if they're criticized from the left, the whole thing will fall apart, and it's what ultimately makes you very stupid.

I mean, it's interesting because I saw Joy read and she was talking about like, I don't care who it is. I mean, I think we should stick with Joe Biden. If it's not Joe Biden, we have to go with Kamala Harris. And if it's anybody else, we just have to make sure it's not Trump because Trump will destroy the country. And it's funny to me because you know, I don't I'm not a Joe Biden fan. The progressive left scares me, and I was very sad when he won the election in twenty twenty, but there was no part of me that was like it's all gone. We can never get it back, because in my mind, I'm like, Okay, in four years, we get an election again, and we can shift things. This idea that they are telling the American people it's the end of the country. He'll destroy the constitution, democracy will be over, He'll take all of your rights. I've never in my lifetime seen the media feed this kind of belogna to the American people, but they're so sensitive to it. They believe that's possible. And our system is set up so it's not well.

I mean, it's interesting because I saw Joy read and she was talking about like, I don't care who it is. I mean, I think we should stick with Joe Biden. If it's not Joe Biden, we have to go with Kamala Harris. And if it's anybody else, we just have to make sure it's not Trump because Trump will destroy the country. And it's funny to me because you know, I don't I'm not a Joe Biden fan. The progressive left scares me, and I was very sad when he won the election in twenty twenty, but there was no part of me that was like it's all gone. We can never get it back, because in my mind, I'm like, Okay, in four years, we get an election again, and we can shift things. This idea that they are telling the American people it's the end of the country. He'll destroy the constitution, democracy will be over, He'll take all of your rights. I've never in my lifetime seen the media feed this kind of belogna to the American people, but they're so sensitive to it. They believe that's possible. And our system is set up so it's not well.

Look Tudor if to the point again about listening to opposing views, I completely agree with you on the media. I'm a Democrat. I voted for Joe Biden. I can't say I'm happy with the results of his administration. I don't think it's been a good administration. I would have a hard time voting for him again. But to your point about the news media, what we saw several years ago is a seismic change in the institution of journalism. Journalism is supposed to be about checks on the powerful, independence, rigorous investigation, skepticism, asking the tough questions to hold the powerful accountable. And that's the way it's supposed to work. And what happened several years ago is they checked that at the door, and they substituted it with activism in the newsrooms and progressive activism. And I say this as a Democrat, and you know, the honest journalists now are recognizing that, yes, mainstream media is absolutely biased. There's just no question. I mean, you can go down the list Hunter Biden, laptop lab theory, all the things I sort of got wrong, Jesse Smallett. There's just too much evidence on the table right now, the mainstream media swooning to a narrative because it fits a progressive, you know, worldview, and finding out that what they've done they failed to do is just you know, check their politics at the door and do the honest of goodness investigation to get to the truth.

Look Tudor if to the point again about listening to opposing views, I completely agree with you on the media. I'm a Democrat. I voted for Joe Biden. I can't say I'm happy with the results of his administration. I don't think it's been a good administration. I would have a hard time voting for him again. But to your point about the news media, what we saw several years ago is a seismic change in the institution of journalism. Journalism is supposed to be about checks on the powerful, independence, rigorous investigation, skepticism, asking the tough questions to hold the powerful accountable. And that's the way it's supposed to work. And what happened several years ago is they checked that at the door, and they substituted it with activism in the newsrooms and progressive activism. And I say this as a Democrat, and you know, the honest journalists now are recognizing that, yes, mainstream media is absolutely biased. There's just no question. I mean, you can go down the list Hunter Biden, laptop lab theory, all the things I sort of got wrong, Jesse Smallett. There's just too much evidence on the table right now, the mainstream media swooning to a narrative because it fits a progressive, you know, worldview, and finding out that what they've done they failed to do is just you know, check their politics at the door and do the honest of goodness investigation to get to the truth.

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And if we had done that on COVID, we would have probably been in a better place in school lockdowns, and we would have had a better understanding of what happened in the lab, if we had had an honest view of migration. You know, part of the reason that the black working classes leaving the Democratic Party is because there's a fair amount of evidence on the table that uncontrolled migration leads to a depression of wages for working class white, black and brown And you know, the elites don't feel that because they're insulated from that in the same way they were in Martha's Vineyard when the migrants, you know, were shipped to ship to Martha's Vineyard, and then they quickly found a way to've rit them from their sites. Right, But elites don't feel it, but the working class do. And so there is this, you know, there is this disconnect between the college ed elites of the left and the rest of the country, I think, and the news media shares that same disconnect and really thinks that they are sort of the arbitras of you know, the ideological correct position, and that is not their job. And hopefully what comes as a result of the debacle, the debate debacle, is that the news media has a come up and they because you see them all covering their ass now. The New York Times editorializes in George Clooney writes his up ed and sort of, you know, all of these, all these reporters are not you know, Chuck Pod. You know, I can't believe he ran again. You know, this is an act of narcissism. He should have been take Garretty and you see all this of you know, and I sort of want to cry bullshit on called bullshit on it because why didn't you say that that.

And if we had done that on COVID, we would have probably been in a better place in school lockdowns, and we would have had a better understanding of what happened in the lab, if we had had an honest view of migration. You know, part of the reason that the black working classes leaving the Democratic Party is because there's a fair amount of evidence on the table that uncontrolled migration leads to a depression of wages for working class white, black and brown And you know, the elites don't feel that because they're insulated from that in the same way they were in Martha's Vineyard when the migrants, you know, were shipped to ship to Martha's Vineyard, and then they quickly found a way to've rit them from their sites. Right, But elites don't feel it, but the working class do. And so there is this, you know, there is this disconnect between the college ed elites of the left and the rest of the country, I think, and the news media shares that same disconnect and really thinks that they are sort of the arbitras of you know, the ideological correct position, and that is not their job. And hopefully what comes as a result of the debacle, the debate debacle, is that the news media has a come up and they because you see them all covering their ass now. The New York Times editorializes in George Clooney writes his up ed and sort of, you know, all of these, all these reporters are not you know, Chuck Pod. You know, I can't believe he ran again. You know, this is an act of narcissism. He should have been take Garretty and you see all this of you know, and I sort of want to cry bullshit on called bullshit on it because why didn't you say that that.

I mean, as as someone who ran for office on the Republican side, I didn't have any idea how bad it was until I ran for office. And there was never a time when I was sat down in an interview where the media was like, we really want to hear your plan on this. It was you are a force further tell us about abortion. Your for no abortion, You're going to ban abortion. It's like, I never got to talk. You could never. They weren't asking me, they were defining me. They weren't interviewing me. They didn't want the public to know who I was. They wanted to tell the public I was a certain person and I was never going to get my story across. And then they totally protect the other side. And like just last week and we just talked about this over the weekend, we had a situation in Michigan where, to me, the this is protecting Gretchen Whitmer. And maybe I'm wrong, but we had two mass shootings in the last three weeks. One was at a Rochester Hills splash pad, a very wealthy, very white area. The New York Times wrote about everybody wrote about it. Whitmer tweeted about it. It was devastating last weekend. Last weekend, we had the largest mass shooting in the state of Michigan's history in the city of Detroit. The governor doesn't mention it, doesn't tweet about it, no national stories. She's on a book tour in New York right now. She has had interviews every single day. Not a single question, what are you going to do about crime in Detroit? You had the largest mass shooting in the history of Michigan and the second largest was last year. What are you going to do about these mass shootings that you're having that have risen two and a half times since you took office. No one mentions it. How is this possible?

I mean, as as someone who ran for office on the Republican side, I didn't have any idea how bad it was until I ran for office. And there was never a time when I was sat down in an interview where the media was like, we really want to hear your plan on this. It was you are a force further tell us about abortion. Your for no abortion, You're going to ban abortion. It's like, I never got to talk. You could never. They weren't asking me, they were defining me. They weren't interviewing me. They didn't want the public to know who I was. They wanted to tell the public I was a certain person and I was never going to get my story across. And then they totally protect the other side. And like just last week and we just talked about this over the weekend, we had a situation in Michigan where, to me, the this is protecting Gretchen Whitmer. And maybe I'm wrong, but we had two mass shootings in the last three weeks. One was at a Rochester Hills splash pad, a very wealthy, very white area. The New York Times wrote about everybody wrote about it. Whitmer tweeted about it. It was devastating last weekend. Last weekend, we had the largest mass shooting in the state of Michigan's history in the city of Detroit. The governor doesn't mention it, doesn't tweet about it, no national stories. She's on a book tour in New York right now. She has had interviews every single day. Not a single question, what are you going to do about crime in Detroit? You had the largest mass shooting in the history of Michigan and the second largest was last year. What are you going to do about these mass shootings that you're having that have risen two and a half times since you took office. No one mentions it. How is this possible?

Nor do they mention the carnage that goes on the south side of Detroit. And look, there is a there. There is a massive failure. And I say this again as somebody sort of in the political center who has traditionally voted Democrat, who was very disenchanted with the Democrats. Now there is a massive failure on the news media. There is sort of, you know, this tendency to go for the dopamine highs that you get from vilifying one side versus the other. It sells copy, it gets viewers, all of that stuff. It's not their job. Their job is to do honest reporting and to check the politics at the door, and they have, for the most part, they failed to do that. But now you see them all covering their ass. Oh, we're honest reporters. We're going to sort of hold you know, we're gonna we're gonna hold Biden accountable. We're gonna ask the tough questions. Now, well, you know, where were you and to your point about you know, when I wrote the piece in the Wall Street Journal in March of twenty three, you know, it was sort of either crickets or it was you know, how could you be such a heretic? And you know, at the end of the day, you're just hurting yourself because the stupidity of group think, that the failure to reflect, the failure to think about where your own position might be right or wrong, the failure to listen to the other side. You know what you're describing when the media is coming it to you, it's sort of like, you know, it's argument by epithet. You know you are you know, if you're opposed to migration, you're a racist. No, you're not a racist. You don't think the country can handle ten million, you know, uncontrolled migration. You don't think the cities can handle it. You don't think we have the public resources for it. You look at what's happening in Europe. You see just it's not a manageable situation. It's a completely respectable position. If I if I'm you know, I'm pro choice. But if you're pro life, I don't think you're anti woman. I don't think you're trying to take over anti r I don't.

Nor do they mention the carnage that goes on the south side of Detroit. And look, there is a there. There is a massive failure. And I say this again as somebody sort of in the political center who has traditionally voted Democrat, who was very disenchanted with the Democrats. Now there is a massive failure on the news media. There is sort of, you know, this tendency to go for the dopamine highs that you get from vilifying one side versus the other. It sells copy, it gets viewers, all of that stuff. It's not their job. Their job is to do honest reporting and to check the politics at the door, and they have, for the most part, they failed to do that. But now you see them all covering their ass. Oh, we're honest reporters. We're going to sort of hold you know, we're gonna we're gonna hold Biden accountable. We're gonna ask the tough questions. Now, well, you know, where were you and to your point about you know, when I wrote the piece in the Wall Street Journal in March of twenty three, you know, it was sort of either crickets or it was you know, how could you be such a heretic? And you know, at the end of the day, you're just hurting yourself because the stupidity of group think, that the failure to reflect, the failure to think about where your own position might be right or wrong, the failure to listen to the other side. You know what you're describing when the media is coming it to you, it's sort of like, you know, it's argument by epithet. You know you are you know, if you're opposed to migration, you're a racist. No, you're not a racist. You don't think the country can handle ten million, you know, uncontrolled migration. You don't think the cities can handle it. You don't think we have the public resources for it. You look at what's happening in Europe. You see just it's not a manageable situation. It's a completely respectable position. If I if I'm you know, I'm pro choice. But if you're pro life, I don't think you're anti woman. I don't think you're trying to take over anti r I don't.

Think that's the thing. I'm like my per and I can have person I've said before. You know, I could be a Christian, and that doesn't mean I think everybody has to be a Christian. But I think you should know how I am and what I believe, and you should have an idea of that. And that's the frustrating part. And I've had the same experience you've had because I've criticized people in my party because I think that we're allowed to. I think when someone says something outlandish and it's it's far to the right and it's something that the country doesn't believe in, you're allowed to go, hey, hey, no, I don't agree with this, but it's the same thing. I got the call that was like, you won't be invited to these things. You're not going to be you got to stay in line. I'm like, guess what if it takes me agreeing with this viewpoint, I don't care. That's not who I am. And I'm not gonna tow the party line if that's the party line, which it's not. It's not.

Think that's the thing. I'm like my per and I can have person I've said before. You know, I could be a Christian, and that doesn't mean I think everybody has to be a Christian. But I think you should know how I am and what I believe, and you should have an idea of that. And that's the frustrating part. And I've had the same experience you've had because I've criticized people in my party because I think that we're allowed to. I think when someone says something outlandish and it's it's far to the right and it's something that the country doesn't believe in, you're allowed to go, hey, hey, no, I don't agree with this, but it's the same thing. I got the call that was like, you won't be invited to these things. You're not going to be you got to stay in line. I'm like, guess what if it takes me agreeing with this viewpoint, I don't care. That's not who I am. And I'm not gonna tow the party line if that's the party line, which it's not. It's not.

It's a Soviet mentality. And ultimately we know what happens to Soviet union. You implode because nobody's doing the thinking but one person. If everyone thinks the same thing inside the room, only one person is doing the thinking, and that's inevitably going to lead you to a much lower intellectual level and a much lower level of understanding. And as I say, you know, you can be pro life and I can be pro choice, and I can still say I think your pro life position is completely honorable, completely respectable. I understand the integrity of a position where you are protecting the life of an unborn I may have a different point of view, but I don't think there's anything in that position that makes you a bad person or means that you're trying to control anybody's body or anybody's rights. I just think it's an area where people can have honest, you know.

It's a Soviet mentality. And ultimately we know what happens to Soviet union. You implode because nobody's doing the thinking but one person. If everyone thinks the same thing inside the room, only one person is doing the thinking, and that's inevitably going to lead you to a much lower intellectual level and a much lower level of understanding. And as I say, you know, you can be pro life and I can be pro choice, and I can still say I think your pro life position is completely honorable, completely respectable. I understand the integrity of a position where you are protecting the life of an unborn I may have a different point of view, but I don't think there's anything in that position that makes you a bad person or means that you're trying to control anybody's body or anybody's rights. I just think it's an area where people can have honest, you know.

Different conversation too, saying.

Different conversation too, saying.

Without saying like you're a bad person, and I may learn something, you know, I may learn something from that conversation.

Without saying like you're a bad person, and I may learn something, you know, I may learn something from that conversation.

And just to talk, we don't talk anymore. Stay tuned for more of my interview with Julian Epstein, But first I want to take a moment to tell you more about my partners at IFCJ. Since the start of the Swords of Iron bore Israel on October seventh, we've seen death and destruction in the Holy Land. For more than forty years. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has been on the ground in Israel, and within hours of the war starting, and every day since, they've been feeding the hungry and protecting the vulnerable. The attacks continue in the north and south of Israel, but there are resilient survivors who bravely share their stories. In a new series, The Fellowship calls Faces of Iron survivors like Shuki. On October seventh, Shuki saved herself and eight others when Hamas invaded. Shuki and eight others ran to a bomb shelter. All that stood between life and death was the door of that bomb shelter. Shuki held that door closed for nearly six hours, never letting go of the handles. Christians like you support Israel through the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, and it's this support that helps these survivors remain steadfast and strong. To hear more stories like this one and show your support for Israel. Visit support IFCJ again. That's support IFCJ dot org. Now stay tuned because I will have more with Julian Epstein after this. Before I let you go. There's been all of these people who have been jockeying for the presidential position. They think that if Joe Biden gets off the ticket, it'll be a Gretchen with Maro Toubia, Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris. You have come out and said you'd love to see a Josh Shapiro. Tell us really quickly, why well.

And just to talk, we don't talk anymore. Stay tuned for more of my interview with Julian Epstein, But first I want to take a moment to tell you more about my partners at IFCJ. Since the start of the Swords of Iron bore Israel on October seventh, we've seen death and destruction in the Holy Land. For more than forty years. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has been on the ground in Israel, and within hours of the war starting, and every day since, they've been feeding the hungry and protecting the vulnerable. The attacks continue in the north and south of Israel, but there are resilient survivors who bravely share their stories. In a new series, The Fellowship calls Faces of Iron survivors like Shuki. On October seventh, Shuki saved herself and eight others when Hamas invaded. Shuki and eight others ran to a bomb shelter. All that stood between life and death was the door of that bomb shelter. Shuki held that door closed for nearly six hours, never letting go of the handles. Christians like you support Israel through the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, and it's this support that helps these survivors remain steadfast and strong. To hear more stories like this one and show your support for Israel. Visit support IFCJ again. That's support IFCJ dot org. Now stay tuned because I will have more with Julian Epstein after this. Before I let you go. There's been all of these people who have been jockeying for the presidential position. They think that if Joe Biden gets off the ticket, it'll be a Gretchen with Maro Toubia, Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris. You have come out and said you'd love to see a Josh Shapiro. Tell us really quickly, why well.

Because all of those candidates that you mentioned other than Josh Shapiro will double down on the policies, the mostly progressive left policies in the last four years, which are unpopular. Josh Shapiro is a Mott, is a centrist, and as is Andy Basher. Josh Shapiro supports things like school choice. You see, you know, the recent data on math and English proficiency in high schools is atrocious. It's just it's mind boggling that this is not considered a national crisis. And to your point about the media, we're not covering this every day. Okay, So Josh Shapiro supports things like school choice. He is very strong pro Israel, unambiguously the way you don't see with much of the moral confusion on the left on Israel, and he sort of similarly on down the line, argues for not just moderate points of view, but also to our earlier point about listening to the other side, you know, trying to find bipartisan consensus. Stop arguing if you disagree with somebody that you think they're a terrible person, you think they're trying to kill democracy, you think they're racist, you think they're this it's just argument by epithet. It's the most anti intellectual approach you can take to anything. It's the amost You know, Plato and Socrates would would would would just roll over in their graves at the discourse that we have. You disagree with me and I have to call you a bad name. We have to stop that nonsense. We just have to say, Okay, if you and I have a different point of view, Tutor, give me the data, give me the empirical data that backs it up. I'll give you I empirical data that backs it up and let the best argument win without us calling names. And that's what we have to get back to. But unfortunately, I think we're going to the opposite direction.

Because all of those candidates that you mentioned other than Josh Shapiro will double down on the policies, the mostly progressive left policies in the last four years, which are unpopular. Josh Shapiro is a Mott, is a centrist, and as is Andy Basher. Josh Shapiro supports things like school choice. You see, you know, the recent data on math and English proficiency in high schools is atrocious. It's just it's mind boggling that this is not considered a national crisis. And to your point about the media, we're not covering this every day. Okay, So Josh Shapiro supports things like school choice. He is very strong pro Israel, unambiguously the way you don't see with much of the moral confusion on the left on Israel, and he sort of similarly on down the line, argues for not just moderate points of view, but also to our earlier point about listening to the other side, you know, trying to find bipartisan consensus. Stop arguing if you disagree with somebody that you think they're a terrible person, you think they're trying to kill democracy, you think they're racist, you think they're this it's just argument by epithet. It's the most anti intellectual approach you can take to anything. It's the amost You know, Plato and Socrates would would would would just roll over in their graves at the discourse that we have. You disagree with me and I have to call you a bad name. We have to stop that nonsense. We just have to say, Okay, if you and I have a different point of view, Tutor, give me the data, give me the empirical data that backs it up. I'll give you I empirical data that backs it up and let the best argument win without us calling names. And that's what we have to get back to. But unfortunately, I think we're going to the opposite direction.

I agree, but it's see. I'm hoping that this latest title wave will kind of start to push people, more rational people toward discussion. And I think that discussion is the best way, and we have now the ability to have discussions openly in ways we did it before. So I appreciate you coming on today to have a discussion with me. Julian Epstein. I always enjoy the conversation.

I agree, but it's see. I'm hoping that this latest title wave will kind of start to push people, more rational people toward discussion. And I think that discussion is the best way, and we have now the ability to have discussions openly in ways we did it before. So I appreciate you coming on today to have a discussion with me. Julian Epstein. I always enjoy the conversation.

I do too, And as I said the other day, I always learned something every time we chat, so I really appreciate it to do and I'm well, thank you. I'm glad that we have this new friendship as well.