What is a woman? Matt Walsh with The Daily Wire travel with the World to try to get answers to that basic question. How did such a simple question become so controversial in today's society. I mean, you imagine ten years ago thinking to yourself or or seeing a bunch of people in our country not being able to answer that question, refusing to answer that question, refusing to acknowledge the truth that you're either man or you're a woman. How did this happen? Why did this happen and how is it spreading so easily in society? I mean j Lo took the stage recently and announced her daughter as a day. So, you know, we're gonna get into all these questions with Matt Walsh. We're gonna talk about his new documentary. I've watched it. It is really good. It is totally worth your time, you know, Matt Wall. She's also the host of The Daily Wires The Matt Walsh Show, always pointing out great points on Twitter as well. I follow him frequently re share his stuff. So we're really just going to get into this. How concerned should you be if you're parent about what's going on in some of these schools and we keep hearing these stories of a kid coming home and the teachers have groomed this child. You know, maybe it's a boy, and the teachers say, oh, you know, you'd be happier if you're a woman. Right, So this is happening sometimes without the parents consent. And also, speaking of consent, how can a fifteen year old consent to a double massectomy? How was that even legal? Mabe, what would happen to parents who went out and got their fifteen year old? The breast implans, So, how did this lunacy take over America? And why aren't we going along with it? It's insane. So we're going to get into all of this with Matt Wall. She's incredibly smart, really funny guy as well. I'm really looking forward to this conversation. I'm a big fan of him, big fan of the documentary, and I hope you're a big fan of this interview. So that I watched the documentary, I loved it. I thought it was so good. I mean, obviously you're a very intelligent person, but I also appreciated the sense of humor with it too, And I mean, you've got to laugh in the cloud world that we live in. Today, So I appreciated that. Yeah, well, you know, that's that's what we wanted to kind of bring out, is the is that there's on the top layer of this issue. I guess you could say, there's a lot of absurdity, and absurdity is funny, so it's it's appropriate to laugh at it. But then once once you go a little bit below the surface, you find that, uh, you know, some really sinister things going on. So if we could, our goal was to kind of get both of those things into the movie and then also you know, make it like an actual piece of entertainment as well, even though it's dealing with a serious issue. So we're happy it's that part of it as resonating people. Now, I mean I learned a lot from it as well, so to your point, you know, it also gave across a lot of information that was important. What is a woman? Well that's I feel like that's a spoiler. But if I if I had to get spoilers away, then you know, as we discovered, a woman is an adult human female. It really is as as simple that I mean, you could you get in more specifics about each individual woman and talking about you know, the personality traits of women individually, but it comes to the definition of the term. That's that's pretty much it. But it was so complicated for so many people to answer. And You've also got a book coming out and it's titled What is a Woman? One Man's Journey to Answer the Question of a Generation? But how did we get to this place in time where that that question such a simple question is the question of a generation? Yeah? I think it feels like this all was was sort of sprung on us, maybe you know, seven, eight years ago, maybe ten years ago. That's the way it seems to most people. That just came out of nowhere and this became an issue, and this became a question at that point. But really, as we get into in the film, it goes back even further than that, and you could trace it back almost as far as you want, but we, uh, we take it back to what I think is a is a kind of landmark moment in the mid twentieth century when general idealogy and its current form began to take take take shape. Um and it's sort of started there and then made its way into our institutions, academia in particular, and that's where it lived. I think for the most part for decades before it funneled down into the into the mainstream. UM. And at this point, it's just it's taken over all of our institutions, and through the institutions, taken over people's brains a lot of ways. And even the people who still have their brains about them and their wits about them, they are they're afraid, they're scared to tell the truth about this topic because of the powerful institutions that they know can punish them for speaking the truth. Well, and to that point, let's play this clip real quick, and then I want to get you on the other side of it. So you're saying, if you're not a woman and you shouldn't have an opinion, where does a guy get it right to say what a woman is? Women only know what women are? Are you a cat? No? Can you tell me what a cat is? This is actually generale mistake. I am sorry, I even if you look there so obviously walked right into that one. But to the point this person could obviously answer the question, they're they're choosing not to. So, you know, to what extent are we conditioning society this way? You know, talk about sort of that social conditioning that's going on right now. Yeah, and that person in the clip there, that was just one of the many ways that people have the proponents of this ideology they have they have no way of answering the questions, but they do have different ways of getting around them, trying to get around them anyway and evade them. And one of the classic evasion tactics now is this thing that you heard from that person, which is, well, is the job only a woman is qualified even speak on this subject, And of course that doesn't make any sense. And but but even there are plenty of women who will say that a woman's only a documents email. And according to general ideologues, that's still not an acceptable answer you can come from a woman to the whole thing doesn't make any sense. Um, And it has been it has been a process of conditioning, and I think you know there there's kind of two part. There's two different types of conditioning. There's the intimidation, the fear tactics, conditioning people that way. And these are especially adults, many adults who grew up in a basically same society, at least a society that new the difference between men and women. But now are pretending they don't because they've been conditioned through fear to remain silent or to just take the party line. And then there's the other more insidious form of it, conditioning that happens to children who never had the opportunity to grow up in the same society. They grew up in the society we have now. And for them, it's like the Left gets to them very very early, before they understand the differences between reality and fiction and all of that, and they live in a fantastical world already in their heads because their imagine it to children, and the Left gets to them very young and takes advantage of that and just warps their minds from a young age. And that's what we're seeing play out right now in society. Well, and I think that's the saddest part of it. I mean, like, but it's parents too, mean j Lo took this age, announced they was joining her. It was only her daughter, so one person, which is slightly confusing, um, you know, and it's this fat right. The New York posted an article recently with de transition ers and one person. One girl was named Chloe Close, seventeen year old student from California, and she talks about how like this really started her when she joined Instagram at eleven, and she says, I started being exposed to a lot of LGBT content and activism, and what she liked about it was all the attention that these people were getting, the praise that they were getting. She didn't really have a lot of friends at the time, you know, so talk about social media's role in sort of driving the spikes and transitions were saying in her youth. Yeah, that's a huge part of it. And I think it's it's there's a couple of different things going on the As you point out that Jeffer Lopez the non binary daughter or whatever it is, Um, that's you know, it's it's not a coincident that all of the celebrities now have non binary trans kids, and for them it's just a fashion statement, I think, and they used their kids like, um, like that like fashion access reason. And so there's a lot of that going on with parents, which is really it's really terrible that parents of treat their kids that way, but but they do, especially in Hollywood. Um. But then there's also you know, we we talk a little bit about rapid rapid onset gender dysphoria, and that's the the child. Oftentimes, not always, but but often most of the time, it's a girl, adolescent girl who was raised in a normal house and um, not certainly don't. Their parents are not on board with this at all, and everything is fine, and then and then they come up from school one day and they just announced, Oh, I'm a boy, and that's that has that happens happening all all over the country and many parents are going through this. And where do the kids pick it up from? Well, they pick it up from you know, they're friends at school. That's a big part of it because they're they're in this environment physically every single day for like six or seven hours a day, five days a week, nine months a year, for twelve years, where these ideas are being voiced on them and there's all this peer pressure and now it's trendy and cool to be you know, trans are not binary. It's like the worst thing you could be is just a normal unquote sist person as they call it now. Um. And then there they have that at school, but then they leave school, but they don't really leave school. They don't really leave the peer culture, peer environment because they have their phones, and they have social media, and so this they end up in this kind of fog that's follows them around and surrounds them all day long. And that's where social media becomes a big part of it. And I really think that it would be impossible to overstate, um, just how much of a role social media plays in this, uh in getting these ideas directly into our kids minds. Well, I mean, I think with things like TikTok, it's intentional because obviously it's you know, China, right, trying to sort of infiltrate our country and destroys from within. Uh. But you know, but the challenges that the tragedy of it is that, I mean, can you really de transition? Right? Like the New York Post that same interview interviewed another individual. She at twelve years old, she decided that she was transgender. She came out to her parents when puberty blockers was prescribed to stosterone. At fifteen, she underwent a double missectomy, and in less than a year later, at sixteen, she realized she made a mistake. So, I mean, how do you go back at that point when you know you've already given yourself a double missectomy? I mean I think that that's the concern here, is it? Like can you you know, how do you even do that? Yeah? I think that well you can de transition mentally, which is important, but kind of bring your mind back to reality and learn to accept yourself or you who you actually are. But yeah, that's the great tragedy is that the physical part of it can't cannot be undone. And that that applies to the surgeries. Obviously you get a double missect. To me, there's no way of going back from that that body parts removed, obviously, But that also applies to the drugs, to puberty blockers. There are there are permanent effects to puberty blockers, and the other side they just they just straight up lie about this and they why the kids and at everybody, a lot of parents, they say that this is well, it's temporary, reversible. It's not. I mean, there are permanent changes happening to the body. Um, starting with things like your your voice. I mean, you start taking the stuff that changes your voice, and those that change is permanent and that's not a small change, like that's a very that's that's a defining feature of you, is your voice, and that's gone forever and change um changes to your you know, your bone structure, bone density, all kinds of physiological changes having and sterilization. These drugs are also sterilizing kids permanently. And the question is whether a child under the age of consent can actually consent to having to undergoing these changes. Whether they doesn't matter what they say, it doesn't matter if they verbally agree to take the drugs. Can they actually consent? Can they um, you know, assent to this change happening to the body. And and answer is no, because that's the whole point of the age of consent, is that no matter what a kid says, they really understand the quote unquote choice they're making, and so there can't be any consent. Well, and to that point, I mean, this person was fifteen when she underwent a double massectomy. I mean, if a parent went out and got their fifty year old breast in plants, they would probably have their kid take it away, right, And that's or you could and there's so many other examples. You could give breast in plants, tattoo, you know, um, the age where you can get a tattoo varies, but I think almost everyone would agree that fifteen is too young togo get a tattoo, especially if you know what, if you had a fifteen year old kid who wanted to get a big tattoo right across her forehead, like who who? Who would agree that that a fifteen year old should be able to make that choice. And if the fifteen year old went into the tattoo parlor and asked the tattoo guy for a tattoo across the forehead, and the tattoo artists actually did it, then we would blame that. We say he needs to put out of business for that. He needs to be fine, but I'll maybe arrested for doing that to a girl obviously know she was doing um. And you know who on the left thinks that fifteen year old should be able to buy guns or like do anything else. Right, So it just it just doesn't make any sense. It's not consistent. But that's that's the story with the left and with gender ideology in general. It just contradicts itself at every time. I mean, they want to change the age to buy a gun to to twenty one, right. And it's sick too because you've got these groups like the World Professional Association for Transient er health, which you know, whatever, but they frequently recommended that hormones can start at fourteen, two years earlier than the previous advice, which you know, the right their advice is obviously BS. But and then some surgeries can be done at fifteen or seventeen. It's like, I mean, what does it say about a society that doesn't look at that and say, no, you know, we have to protect the kids. Well, says we're totally lost and broken, uh society to begin with. And I mean as as I think lots of people know you can judge a civilization by how it treats its children. So what does that say about ours? And what you mentioned there? The world? Whatever it's called w PATH, that transgender Health organization, Um, that's a very significant The fact that they made that change and it lowered the ature and stuff is extremely significant. And the reason it's significant is that this organization w PATH is considered wrongly but is but is considered to be, you know, a prominent authority figure on when it comes to quote unquote transgender health, and whatever they decree, whatever they declare, is immediately accepted by every other medical organization. The American Academy pediatrics, you know, the American Psychological Association, all these different all the all these other medical associations, organizations that we that we think are valid and legitimate. UM consider w path to be itself valid and legitimate and to be the voice the Whatever they say is the gospel truth when it comes to gender and transgenderism. So yeah, if they say that fifteen is old, is old enough for surgery, then that's what it becomes. That's what the that's what the medical feeling in general will adopt and accept, and that's what makes it so terrifying. Quick commercial. More on the new film What Is a Woman? Well, it really got me. Uh in the movie is you talked to this father in Canada who miss gendered his own daughter and and didn't want her to transition and is now facing charges. I mean, this is this is the world we're heading in, right, Yeah, that's in Canada. And what you have to give in mind in Canada is that you know they Canada recently passed a bill where they banned um so called conversion therapy. And now this this case happened before this band on quote unquote conversion therapy, but I think I believe it's bill C four in Canada. I could be wrong about that, they'll call me on it. But um, and what that means like for for Canada, what conversion therapy means is, um, if you miss gender someone quote unquote, that's conversion therapy. If you if if a girl identifies as a boy, and but you refer to the girl as a girl, then you are committing version therapy, which is against the law now and you can lose your kids for that. Now. Of course this is twisted and backwards. It is now that like, if you affirm a girl as a girl, which is what she is, you are converting her somehow. But if you affirm her as what she isn't, then that's affirmation, not conversion. So it's completely backwards and turned on its head like everything else with this ideology. You know, and we've heard stories here in America even of you know, teachers basically coaching grooming you know, these kids and saying, oh, you know, you're unhappy, right, it's probably because you should be a boy, you know, or you're you're a boy, you're unhappy. It's probably because you should be a girl. And they're doing this without the parents consent, you know how perverse and prevalent. Is this in in our schools here in America? Well, it's everywhere in the schools. It's this is the schools have bought into it entirely. And there's the the most radical iterations of it. Are you like what you're pointing out actually facilitating the conversion there? You know, you hear about schools that have conversion closets or whatever they call it, affirmation closets where they keep they keep clothing for students who identifies the opposite sex so they can change and their parents won't know about it. Um. And you hear about the kind of stuff, and you want to think, well, that's that this has happens a very rare cases. It's not happening. This kind of thing is happening all over the place. Um. And because this is it's it's public school. And what is public mean? It means the government run, state run and the regime the government regime is um is far left wing and uh and gender ideology is gospel truth. And so that's what kids, if you send your kids to public school, that's the environment that they're going into, Which is why I always urged parents, and I know, I know it's not possible for everybody, But if it is possible, pull, if it's at all possible, pull your kid out of public school, home school them. I mean, really, almost any option will be better at this point in public school. In my opinion, how much of this is mental illness or depression or or a variety of other things going on. I think that's a big part of it. I think, I think, I think there's a it's a multifaceted thing. So, um, there is a mental illness you know that we used to call. They keep changing it, and they keep changing it in the d s M. They they change it for political reasons and for you know, sort of branding reasons. But um used to be called body dysmorphia. I think the gender these gender identity disorder and now is gender disports. They keep changing it. But um, there is an actual mental disorder where someone without necessarily any prompting from society will feel, you know, not at home in their own body and feel like they have the wrong body. And but that's a mental illness. And we know it's a mental illness because it's not true, like your body is your body, you can't have any any other. So if you feel like it's the wrong body, then you you have a misconception about yourself and about the world. It's no, it's no different in kind from a rail thin woman who feels like she's obese and um so starves herself and anorexia. And with that we all know that, no, we're not going to affirm you in your belief that you're obese because you're not. And and so we're gonna try to help you. We're gonna try to help your mind align itself with reality for your own sake, right, And it should be the same thing with with mental illness, with with with this kind of mental illness. But someone who feels like they have the wrong body, like that doesn't make any sense. You can't really have the wrong body. This is your body. It's the only one you can have. So the goal should be to align your mind with the physical reality. And that's part of the story. But then when we see transgenderism, we see the skyrocket you know, of of transgender identification. It's like tenfold, twentyfold for the youngest generation over their grandparents generation. That's not all explained by mental illness. I think the lion share of that vast majority of that is from social conditioning, social contagion, peer pressure, all of that. I think that explained most of it well. And it's adults too. I mean, one interview that really got me, in addition to the one you did with the father in Canada was a Scott Nugent who you know. I mean, that was pretty gut wrenching sort of hearing that story. Uh you know, talk a little bit about that and was that kind of hard to get to. I mean that was hard to get through. That was pretty uh, pretty emotional. Yeah, that was one of the I thought really powerful parts of the film. Is powerful for me um just sitting down having the conversations. It was also you know, there's a really stark contrast that I think comes through in the film, but also for me, it really came through when I was just doing these interviews where you've got on one side the proponents of gender ideology and trying to talk to them, trying to have any conversation with them. It's like wrestling a slug or something. It's just wiggling out of it all the time and you can't get a handle on anything, and they're always a fading um. And then you go talk to someone like Scott Nugent who's an opponent of these ideas and has actually lived through lived the implications of these ideas. And it's raw, open honesty, nothing's off the table, willing to talk about anything, just being completely open and honest. And I found that to be really really refreshing on one hand, and then also terrifying based on what I heard and tragic all these things wrapped up into one. But I think these are these are gonna be really important voices going forward, Um, voices of people who've been through the quote unquote transition and can turn back around and warn anybody else who's about to cross the same bridge. It's it's one thing for you or I who haven't been across the bridge to say to someone, hey, don't don't cross that bridge. It's no good on the other side. We can say that, and we should say it, but it's much more powerful to have the people that have actually crossed it and can say from experience, like, here's what actually happens when you when you do this. And um, so I thought that was definitely powerful. So Alfred Kinsey and John Money, who are they? Uh? Those are I basically the fathers of modern gender ideology. And uh, as I said you and when you want to trace this thing back to its roots, you can go back. Can you go back? You go back all the way to follow man if you want. But but there are certain moments in time that I think like landmark moments, and this is one of them, with Alfred Kinsey and John Money, um, and we get into it. You know, you could have a whole documentary just about these guys, and there are people have written about it and don films about it. But Alfred Kinsey, you know, he was a sexologist and his one of his great, if we can call it that projects in life was to sexualize everyone really and especially kids. And he saw that kids. He believed that kids were sexual, you know, from from cradle to grave, all the way from birth and um. And he also wanted to convince the world that, you know, normal sexuality was not normal, that in fact, everybody was kind of like perverse and depraved. And and he had all these studies that he was supposedly showed this and all these polls and surveys, but then it turned out that he went and he was serving child molesters and pedophiles and people in prison and then he was extrapolating these wild conclusions based on that. And so that's an important piece of the puzzle, is just the sexualization especially a kids. Um. And then you go to John Money, and now we get really into gender specifically. He coined the term gender identity, he coined, you know, even a term like sexual orientation he coined. And he believed that sex and gender were two different things, and and that gender was socially conditioned as a matter of social constructs. He tried, he had this thought, this theory he experimented on and you know, he tried the theory out on two young boys that we talked about in the film The Rhymer Twins and Um. The experiment went horribly wrong, and both boys ended up killing themselves as adults. Their lives were utterly ruined by it. But Um nonetheless, and in his and his theories were disconfirmed in the process to his own experimentations. But nonetheless, they made their way and they were accepted in the mainstream, both John Money and Alfred Kinsey. Kinsey's ideas were and now we live in a world that was in part kind of created by these two guys. Even even though most people don't know that and don't even know their names. Well, I honestly didn't know that before watching the documentary, so you know, I'm glad I learned that part and was able to watch the documentary. You know, is there anything else you want to leave the audience with before we go? I think, well, for one thing, definitely go watch the movie What is the Woman dot com? You can become a subscriber and watch it there. And and I hope that two things people take away from the film is one to see just how pervasive this problem is. That it's not something out on the fringes. It's not something you can ignore. And I think people on the right have tried for way too long to you just ignore it, thinking it was some kind of sad that would just go away. But that's not going to happen. And I want people to see that and realize that. Then the second thing I want them to take away is that that's the bad news, is how pervasive and toxic it is. But the good news is that this um ideology, this idea is very beatable. You know it. We can win. We can win this fight because, as as we showed in the film, all you have to do is ask some questions, really basic questions, and the whole thing falls apart. But that just takes a little bit of backbone encourage in our part to be willing to stand up and ask the skeptical questions. So I hope people take that from the film. Well, and I know your father too, So this is coming from, you know, a genuine place of concern, both as a father and just for our country. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean that's this. Even if I wasn't a father, I would care about this because I care about kids and I care about the truth, you know. Um, But the fact that I'm a father that really makes it real for me. And Um, I realized that my this is the world that I'm I and we collectively are leaving for my kids and everybody else's kids. And so I just can't I can't sit back and accept that I'm throwing my kids into this totally insane culture. I've to try to do something about it. I think that I think that's what we all should should do. And is the book officially out? Yeah, the book is available to go to Amazon, and uh, I really love for you to buy their Amazon, especially because it makes the Amazon employees cry. So you go to Amazon What Is a Woman and buy the book and you can get the movie is a Woman dot Com. Awesome, Matt, you're doing really important work. Uh. And I'm not just saying that because you're my guest on the show. It was an incredible documentary. I learned so much from it, and I know you've taken bullets in this process. So thank you for what you're doing. And I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. All right, thanks, thank you. I'm not just saying this because he was my guests, but I watched the documentary. I went to the Daily Wire and paid for the subscription just to watch the movie. It was incredible, really really worth your time. I learned so much for I made it. It's a hard financial time for a lot of people to totally get it if you're just like, hey, look, you know, I'm trying to save some money. But it was really good. He's doing really important work. Gets attacked a lot just for telling the truth. So you know, I think it's important to go out and support his work if you've hand, And I appreciate you guys listening to the show. As you know, every Monday and Thursday, New episodes, So thank you at home for listening. And I also want to thank my producer, John Cassio for always working so hard to put this together. Thanks for listening.

What is a woman? Matt Walsh with The Daily Wire travel with the World to try to get answers to that basic question. How did such a simple question become so controversial in today's society. I mean, you imagine ten years ago thinking to yourself or or seeing a bunch of people in our country not being able to answer that question, refusing to answer that question, refusing to acknowledge the truth that you're either man or you're a woman. How did this happen? Why did this happen and how is it spreading so easily in society? I mean j Lo took the stage recently and announced her daughter as a day. So, you know, we're gonna get into all these questions with Matt Walsh. We're gonna talk about his new documentary. I've watched it. It is really good. It is totally worth your time, you know, Matt Wall. She's also the host of The Daily Wires The Matt Walsh Show, always pointing out great points on Twitter as well. I follow him frequently re share his stuff. So we're really just going to get into this. How concerned should you be if you're parent about what's going on in some of these schools and we keep hearing these stories of a kid coming home and the teachers have groomed this child. You know, maybe it's a boy, and the teachers say, oh, you know, you'd be happier if you're a woman. Right, So this is happening sometimes without the parents consent. And also, speaking of consent, how can a fifteen year old consent to a double massectomy? How was that even legal? Mabe, what would happen to parents who went out and got their fifteen year old? The breast implans, So, how did this lunacy take over America? And why aren't we going along with it? It's insane. So we're going to get into all of this with Matt Wall. She's incredibly smart, really funny guy as well. I'm really looking forward to this conversation. I'm a big fan of him, big fan of the documentary, and I hope you're a big fan of this interview. So that I watched the documentary, I loved it. I thought it was so good. I mean, obviously you're a very intelligent person, but I also appreciated the sense of humor with it too, And I mean, you've got to laugh in the cloud world that we live in. Today, So I appreciated that. Yeah, well, you know, that's that's what we wanted to kind of bring out, is the is that there's on the top layer of this issue. I guess you could say, there's a lot of absurdity, and absurdity is funny, so it's it's appropriate to laugh at it. But then once once you go a little bit below the surface, you find that, uh, you know, some really sinister things going on. So if we could, our goal was to kind of get both of those things into the movie and then also you know, make it like an actual piece of entertainment as well, even though it's dealing with a serious issue. So we're happy it's that part of it as resonating people. Now, I mean I learned a lot from it as well, so to your point, you know, it also gave across a lot of information that was important. What is a woman? Well that's I feel like that's a spoiler. But if I if I had to get spoilers away, then you know, as we discovered, a woman is an adult human female. It really is as as simple that I mean, you could you get in more specifics about each individual woman and talking about you know, the personality traits of women individually, but it comes to the definition of the term. That's that's pretty much it. But it was so complicated for so many people to answer. And You've also got a book coming out and it's titled What is a Woman? One Man's Journey to Answer the Question of a Generation? But how did we get to this place in time where that that question such a simple question is the question of a generation? Yeah? I think it feels like this all was was sort of sprung on us, maybe you know, seven, eight years ago, maybe ten years ago. That's the way it seems to most people. That just came out of nowhere and this became an issue, and this became a question at that point. But really, as we get into in the film, it goes back even further than that, and you could trace it back almost as far as you want, but we, uh, we take it back to what I think is a is a kind of landmark moment in the mid twentieth century when general idealogy and its current form began to take take take shape. Um and it's sort of started there and then made its way into our institutions, academia in particular, and that's where it lived. I think for the most part for decades before it funneled down into the into the mainstream. UM. And at this point, it's just it's taken over all of our institutions, and through the institutions, taken over people's brains a lot of ways. And even the people who still have their brains about them and their wits about them, they are they're afraid, they're scared to tell the truth about this topic because of the powerful institutions that they know can punish them for speaking the truth. Well, and to that point, let's play this clip real quick, and then I want to get you on the other side of it. So you're saying, if you're not a woman and you shouldn't have an opinion, where does a guy get it right to say what a woman is? Women only know what women are? Are you a cat? No? Can you tell me what a cat is? This is actually generale mistake. I am sorry, I even if you look there so obviously walked right into that one. But to the point this person could obviously answer the question, they're they're choosing not to. So, you know, to what extent are we conditioning society this way? You know, talk about sort of that social conditioning that's going on right now. Yeah, and that person in the clip there, that was just one of the many ways that people have the proponents of this ideology they have they have no way of answering the questions, but they do have different ways of getting around them, trying to get around them anyway and evade them. And one of the classic evasion tactics now is this thing that you heard from that person, which is, well, is the job only a woman is qualified even speak on this subject, And of course that doesn't make any sense. And but but even there are plenty of women who will say that a woman's only a documents email. And according to general ideologues, that's still not an acceptable answer you can come from a woman to the whole thing doesn't make any sense. Um, And it has been it has been a process of conditioning, and I think you know there there's kind of two part. There's two different types of conditioning. There's the intimidation, the fear tactics, conditioning people that way. And these are especially adults, many adults who grew up in a basically same society, at least a society that new the difference between men and women. But now are pretending they don't because they've been conditioned through fear to remain silent or to just take the party line. And then there's the other more insidious form of it, conditioning that happens to children who never had the opportunity to grow up in the same society. They grew up in the society we have now. And for them, it's like the Left gets to them very very early, before they understand the differences between reality and fiction and all of that, and they live in a fantastical world already in their heads because their imagine it to children, and the Left gets to them very young and takes advantage of that and just warps their minds from a young age. And that's what we're seeing play out right now in society. Well, and I think that's the saddest part of it. I mean, like, but it's parents too, mean j Lo took this age, announced they was joining her. It was only her daughter, so one person, which is slightly confusing, um, you know, and it's this fat right. The New York posted an article recently with de transition ers and one person. One girl was named Chloe Close, seventeen year old student from California, and she talks about how like this really started her when she joined Instagram at eleven, and she says, I started being exposed to a lot of LGBT content and activism, and what she liked about it was all the attention that these people were getting, the praise that they were getting. She didn't really have a lot of friends at the time, you know, so talk about social media's role in sort of driving the spikes and transitions were saying in her youth. Yeah, that's a huge part of it. And I think it's it's there's a couple of different things going on the As you point out that Jeffer Lopez the non binary daughter or whatever it is, Um, that's you know, it's it's not a coincident that all of the celebrities now have non binary trans kids, and for them it's just a fashion statement, I think, and they used their kids like, um, like that like fashion access reason. And so there's a lot of that going on with parents, which is really it's really terrible that parents of treat their kids that way, but but they do, especially in Hollywood. Um. But then there's also you know, we we talk a little bit about rapid rapid onset gender dysphoria, and that's the the child. Oftentimes, not always, but but often most of the time, it's a girl, adolescent girl who was raised in a normal house and um, not certainly don't. Their parents are not on board with this at all, and everything is fine, and then and then they come up from school one day and they just announced, Oh, I'm a boy, and that's that has that happens happening all all over the country and many parents are going through this. And where do the kids pick it up from? Well, they pick it up from you know, they're friends at school. That's a big part of it because they're they're in this environment physically every single day for like six or seven hours a day, five days a week, nine months a year, for twelve years, where these ideas are being voiced on them and there's all this peer pressure and now it's trendy and cool to be you know, trans are not binary. It's like the worst thing you could be is just a normal unquote sist person as they call it now. Um. And then there they have that at school, but then they leave school, but they don't really leave school. They don't really leave the peer culture, peer environment because they have their phones, and they have social media, and so this they end up in this kind of fog that's follows them around and surrounds them all day long. And that's where social media becomes a big part of it. And I really think that it would be impossible to overstate, um, just how much of a role social media plays in this, uh in getting these ideas directly into our kids minds. Well, I mean, I think with things like TikTok, it's intentional because obviously it's you know, China, right, trying to sort of infiltrate our country and destroys from within. Uh. But you know, but the challenges that the tragedy of it is that, I mean, can you really de transition? Right? Like the New York Post that same interview interviewed another individual. She at twelve years old, she decided that she was transgender. She came out to her parents when puberty blockers was prescribed to stosterone. At fifteen, she underwent a double missectomy, and in less than a year later, at sixteen, she realized she made a mistake. So, I mean, how do you go back at that point when you know you've already given yourself a double missectomy? I mean I think that that's the concern here, is it? Like can you you know, how do you even do that? Yeah? I think that well you can de transition mentally, which is important, but kind of bring your mind back to reality and learn to accept yourself or you who you actually are. But yeah, that's the great tragedy is that the physical part of it can't cannot be undone. And that that applies to the surgeries. Obviously you get a double missect. To me, there's no way of going back from that that body parts removed, obviously, But that also applies to the drugs, to puberty blockers. There are there are permanent effects to puberty blockers, and the other side they just they just straight up lie about this and they why the kids and at everybody, a lot of parents, they say that this is well, it's temporary, reversible. It's not. I mean, there are permanent changes happening to the body. Um, starting with things like your your voice. I mean, you start taking the stuff that changes your voice, and those that change is permanent and that's not a small change, like that's a very that's that's a defining feature of you, is your voice, and that's gone forever and change um changes to your you know, your bone structure, bone density, all kinds of physiological changes having and sterilization. These drugs are also sterilizing kids permanently. And the question is whether a child under the age of consent can actually consent to having to undergoing these changes. Whether they doesn't matter what they say, it doesn't matter if they verbally agree to take the drugs. Can they actually consent? Can they um, you know, assent to this change happening to the body. And and answer is no, because that's the whole point of the age of consent, is that no matter what a kid says, they really understand the quote unquote choice they're making, and so there can't be any consent. Well, and to that point, I mean, this person was fifteen when she underwent a double massectomy. I mean, if a parent went out and got their fifty year old breast in plants, they would probably have their kid take it away, right, And that's or you could and there's so many other examples. You could give breast in plants, tattoo, you know, um, the age where you can get a tattoo varies, but I think almost everyone would agree that fifteen is too young togo get a tattoo, especially if you know what, if you had a fifteen year old kid who wanted to get a big tattoo right across her forehead, like who who? Who would agree that that a fifteen year old should be able to make that choice. And if the fifteen year old went into the tattoo parlor and asked the tattoo guy for a tattoo across the forehead, and the tattoo artists actually did it, then we would blame that. We say he needs to put out of business for that. He needs to be fine, but I'll maybe arrested for doing that to a girl obviously know she was doing um. And you know who on the left thinks that fifteen year old should be able to buy guns or like do anything else. Right, So it just it just doesn't make any sense. It's not consistent. But that's that's the story with the left and with gender ideology in general. It just contradicts itself at every time. I mean, they want to change the age to buy a gun to to twenty one, right. And it's sick too because you've got these groups like the World Professional Association for Transient er health, which you know, whatever, but they frequently recommended that hormones can start at fourteen, two years earlier than the previous advice, which you know, the right their advice is obviously BS. But and then some surgeries can be done at fifteen or seventeen. It's like, I mean, what does it say about a society that doesn't look at that and say, no, you know, we have to protect the kids. Well, says we're totally lost and broken, uh society to begin with. And I mean as as I think lots of people know you can judge a civilization by how it treats its children. So what does that say about ours? And what you mentioned there? The world? Whatever it's called w PATH, that transgender Health organization, Um, that's a very significant The fact that they made that change and it lowered the ature and stuff is extremely significant. And the reason it's significant is that this organization w PATH is considered wrongly but is but is considered to be, you know, a prominent authority figure on when it comes to quote unquote transgender health, and whatever they decree, whatever they declare, is immediately accepted by every other medical organization. The American Academy pediatrics, you know, the American Psychological Association, all these different all the all these other medical associations, organizations that we that we think are valid and legitimate. UM consider w path to be itself valid and legitimate and to be the voice the Whatever they say is the gospel truth when it comes to gender and transgenderism. So yeah, if they say that fifteen is old, is old enough for surgery, then that's what it becomes. That's what the that's what the medical feeling in general will adopt and accept, and that's what makes it so terrifying. Quick commercial. More on the new film What Is a Woman? Well, it really got me. Uh in the movie is you talked to this father in Canada who miss gendered his own daughter and and didn't want her to transition and is now facing charges. I mean, this is this is the world we're heading in, right, Yeah, that's in Canada. And what you have to give in mind in Canada is that you know they Canada recently passed a bill where they banned um so called conversion therapy. And now this this case happened before this band on quote unquote conversion therapy, but I think I believe it's bill C four in Canada. I could be wrong about that, they'll call me on it. But um, and what that means like for for Canada, what conversion therapy means is, um, if you miss gender someone quote unquote, that's conversion therapy. If you if if a girl identifies as a boy, and but you refer to the girl as a girl, then you are committing version therapy, which is against the law now and you can lose your kids for that. Now. Of course this is twisted and backwards. It is now that like, if you affirm a girl as a girl, which is what she is, you are converting her somehow. But if you affirm her as what she isn't, then that's affirmation, not conversion. So it's completely backwards and turned on its head like everything else with this ideology. You know, and we've heard stories here in America even of you know, teachers basically coaching grooming you know, these kids and saying, oh, you know, you're unhappy, right, it's probably because you should be a boy, you know, or you're you're a boy, you're unhappy. It's probably because you should be a girl. And they're doing this without the parents consent, you know how perverse and prevalent. Is this in in our schools here in America? Well, it's everywhere in the schools. It's this is the schools have bought into it entirely. And there's the the most radical iterations of it. Are you like what you're pointing out actually facilitating the conversion there? You know, you hear about schools that have conversion closets or whatever they call it, affirmation closets where they keep they keep clothing for students who identifies the opposite sex so they can change and their parents won't know about it. Um. And you hear about the kind of stuff, and you want to think, well, that's that this has happens a very rare cases. It's not happening. This kind of thing is happening all over the place. Um. And because this is it's it's public school. And what is public mean? It means the government run, state run and the regime the government regime is um is far left wing and uh and gender ideology is gospel truth. And so that's what kids, if you send your kids to public school, that's the environment that they're going into, Which is why I always urged parents, and I know, I know it's not possible for everybody, But if it is possible, pull, if it's at all possible, pull your kid out of public school, home school them. I mean, really, almost any option will be better at this point in public school. In my opinion, how much of this is mental illness or depression or or a variety of other things going on. I think that's a big part of it. I think, I think, I think there's a it's a multifaceted thing. So, um, there is a mental illness you know that we used to call. They keep changing it, and they keep changing it in the d s M. They they change it for political reasons and for you know, sort of branding reasons. But um used to be called body dysmorphia. I think the gender these gender identity disorder and now is gender disports. They keep changing it. But um, there is an actual mental disorder where someone without necessarily any prompting from society will feel, you know, not at home in their own body and feel like they have the wrong body. And but that's a mental illness. And we know it's a mental illness because it's not true, like your body is your body, you can't have any any other. So if you feel like it's the wrong body, then you you have a misconception about yourself and about the world. It's no, it's no different in kind from a rail thin woman who feels like she's obese and um so starves herself and anorexia. And with that we all know that, no, we're not going to affirm you in your belief that you're obese because you're not. And and so we're gonna try to help you. We're gonna try to help your mind align itself with reality for your own sake, right, And it should be the same thing with with mental illness, with with with this kind of mental illness. But someone who feels like they have the wrong body, like that doesn't make any sense. You can't really have the wrong body. This is your body. It's the only one you can have. So the goal should be to align your mind with the physical reality. And that's part of the story. But then when we see transgenderism, we see the skyrocket you know, of of transgender identification. It's like tenfold, twentyfold for the youngest generation over their grandparents generation. That's not all explained by mental illness. I think the lion share of that vast majority of that is from social conditioning, social contagion, peer pressure, all of that. I think that explained most of it well. And it's adults too. I mean, one interview that really got me, in addition to the one you did with the father in Canada was a Scott Nugent who you know. I mean, that was pretty gut wrenching sort of hearing that story. Uh you know, talk a little bit about that and was that kind of hard to get to. I mean that was hard to get through. That was pretty uh, pretty emotional. Yeah, that was one of the I thought really powerful parts of the film. Is powerful for me um just sitting down having the conversations. It was also you know, there's a really stark contrast that I think comes through in the film, but also for me, it really came through when I was just doing these interviews where you've got on one side the proponents of gender ideology and trying to talk to them, trying to have any conversation with them. It's like wrestling a slug or something. It's just wiggling out of it all the time and you can't get a handle on anything, and they're always a fading um. And then you go talk to someone like Scott Nugent who's an opponent of these ideas and has actually lived through lived the implications of these ideas. And it's raw, open honesty, nothing's off the table, willing to talk about anything, just being completely open and honest. And I found that to be really really refreshing on one hand, and then also terrifying based on what I heard and tragic all these things wrapped up into one. But I think these are these are gonna be really important voices going forward, Um, voices of people who've been through the quote unquote transition and can turn back around and warn anybody else who's about to cross the same bridge. It's it's one thing for you or I who haven't been across the bridge to say to someone, hey, don't don't cross that bridge. It's no good on the other side. We can say that, and we should say it, but it's much more powerful to have the people that have actually crossed it and can say from experience, like, here's what actually happens when you when you do this. And um, so I thought that was definitely powerful. So Alfred Kinsey and John Money, who are they? Uh? Those are I basically the fathers of modern gender ideology. And uh, as I said you and when you want to trace this thing back to its roots, you can go back. Can you go back? You go back all the way to follow man if you want. But but there are certain moments in time that I think like landmark moments, and this is one of them, with Alfred Kinsey and John Money, um, and we get into it. You know, you could have a whole documentary just about these guys, and there are people have written about it and don films about it. But Alfred Kinsey, you know, he was a sexologist and his one of his great, if we can call it that projects in life was to sexualize everyone really and especially kids. And he saw that kids. He believed that kids were sexual, you know, from from cradle to grave, all the way from birth and um. And he also wanted to convince the world that, you know, normal sexuality was not normal, that in fact, everybody was kind of like perverse and depraved. And and he had all these studies that he was supposedly showed this and all these polls and surveys, but then it turned out that he went and he was serving child molesters and pedophiles and people in prison and then he was extrapolating these wild conclusions based on that. And so that's an important piece of the puzzle, is just the sexualization especially a kids. Um. And then you go to John Money, and now we get really into gender specifically. He coined the term gender identity, he coined, you know, even a term like sexual orientation he coined. And he believed that sex and gender were two different things, and and that gender was socially conditioned as a matter of social constructs. He tried, he had this thought, this theory he experimented on and you know, he tried the theory out on two young boys that we talked about in the film The Rhymer Twins and Um. The experiment went horribly wrong, and both boys ended up killing themselves as adults. Their lives were utterly ruined by it. But Um nonetheless, and in his and his theories were disconfirmed in the process to his own experimentations. But nonetheless, they made their way and they were accepted in the mainstream, both John Money and Alfred Kinsey. Kinsey's ideas were and now we live in a world that was in part kind of created by these two guys. Even even though most people don't know that and don't even know their names. Well, I honestly didn't know that before watching the documentary, so you know, I'm glad I learned that part and was able to watch the documentary. You know, is there anything else you want to leave the audience with before we go? I think, well, for one thing, definitely go watch the movie What is the Woman dot com? You can become a subscriber and watch it there. And and I hope that two things people take away from the film is one to see just how pervasive this problem is. That it's not something out on the fringes. It's not something you can ignore. And I think people on the right have tried for way too long to you just ignore it, thinking it was some kind of sad that would just go away. But that's not going to happen. And I want people to see that and realize that. Then the second thing I want them to take away is that that's the bad news, is how pervasive and toxic it is. But the good news is that this um ideology, this idea is very beatable. You know it. We can win. We can win this fight because, as as we showed in the film, all you have to do is ask some questions, really basic questions, and the whole thing falls apart. But that just takes a little bit of backbone encourage in our part to be willing to stand up and ask the skeptical questions. So I hope people take that from the film. Well, and I know your father too, So this is coming from, you know, a genuine place of concern, both as a father and just for our country. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean that's this. Even if I wasn't a father, I would care about this because I care about kids and I care about the truth, you know. Um, But the fact that I'm a father that really makes it real for me. And Um, I realized that my this is the world that I'm I and we collectively are leaving for my kids and everybody else's kids. And so I just can't I can't sit back and accept that I'm throwing my kids into this totally insane culture. I've to try to do something about it. I think that I think that's what we all should should do. And is the book officially out? Yeah, the book is available to go to Amazon, and uh, I really love for you to buy their Amazon, especially because it makes the Amazon employees cry. So you go to Amazon What Is a Woman and buy the book and you can get the movie is a Woman dot Com. Awesome, Matt, you're doing really important work. Uh. And I'm not just saying that because you're my guest on the show. It was an incredible documentary. I learned so much from it, and I know you've taken bullets in this process. So thank you for what you're doing. And I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. All right, thanks, thank you. I'm not just saying this because he was my guests, but I watched the documentary. I went to the Daily Wire and paid for the subscription just to watch the movie. It was incredible, really really worth your time. I learned so much for I made it. It's a hard financial time for a lot of people to totally get it if you're just like, hey, look, you know, I'm trying to save some money. But it was really good. He's doing really important work. Gets attacked a lot just for telling the truth. So you know, I think it's important to go out and support his work if you've hand, And I appreciate you guys listening to the show. As you know, every Monday and Thursday, New episodes, So thank you at home for listening. And I also want to thank my producer, John Cassio for always working so hard to put this together. Thanks for listening.