So he had the opportunity to meet General Keith Kellogg last week in the green room at Fox. I had so many questions for him about the hostages being released from Israel and what this means for Israel's broader goal, which is to eradicate Hamas. My concern stem from this ceasefire and this pause. How would that impact Israel's ability to then re engage in war, you know, particularly at this time when they're facing all of these calls, all these international calls for a ceasefire, when they're facing pressure from the Joe Biden administration, who has continuously and continually has tried to slow walk Israel's ability to respond, slow walked Israel's initial ground invasion, and then now has been putting pressure on Israel for this ceasefire.

So he had the opportunity to meet General Keith Kellogg last week in the green room at Fox. I had so many questions for him about the hostages being released from Israel and what this means for Israel's broader goal, which is to eradicate Hamas. My concern stem from this ceasefire and this pause. How would that impact Israel's ability to then re engage in war, you know, particularly at this time when they're facing all of these calls, all these international calls for a ceasefire, when they're facing pressure from the Joe Biden administration, who has continuously and continually has tried to slow walk Israel's ability to respond, slow walked Israel's initial ground invasion, and then now has been putting pressure on Israel for this ceasefire.

So I had so many questions for him in the green room.

So I had so many questions for him in the green room.

I just wanted to hear his knowledge, wanted to hear his feedback and his wisdom on all of this. So I got with my producer and we figured, why not have him on the show. Why not take the time to bring that conversation to you and to be able to ask all these questions to him. So that's what we're going to do for this show is just get his take on all of this. You know, how close to our regional war are we? What do you need to know about the current situation and where is this all heading. General Kellogg is a three star Army general who has extensive experience in the military. He was also the national security advisor to former Vice President Mike Pence. You see him a lot on Fox News as well. He's a great guy, smart man, and stay tuned for that conversation. Well, General Kellugg, it's an honor to have you on the show, Sir. I saw you at the Fox Green Room in DC when I was filling in for Laura Ingram and you were about to go on and talk about everything going on in Israel, and I had all these questions for you about the hostage exchange and what it meant for Israel and what it meant for the war, and so I figured, you know what, why not have him on and we can have this conversation for the audience. So it was great to meet you in person, and I really appreciate you taking the time today.

I just wanted to hear his knowledge, wanted to hear his feedback and his wisdom on all of this. So I got with my producer and we figured, why not have him on the show. Why not take the time to bring that conversation to you and to be able to ask all these questions to him. So that's what we're going to do for this show is just get his take on all of this. You know, how close to our regional war are we? What do you need to know about the current situation and where is this all heading. General Kellogg is a three star Army general who has extensive experience in the military. He was also the national security advisor to former Vice President Mike Pence. You see him a lot on Fox News as well. He's a great guy, smart man, and stay tuned for that conversation. Well, General Kellugg, it's an honor to have you on the show, Sir. I saw you at the Fox Green Room in DC when I was filling in for Laura Ingram and you were about to go on and talk about everything going on in Israel, and I had all these questions for you about the hostage exchange and what it meant for Israel and what it meant for the war, and so I figured, you know what, why not have him on and we can have this conversation for the audience. So it was great to meet you in person, and I really appreciate you taking the time today.

Hey, Lisa, thanks for having me. It's good to be with you.

Hey, Lisa, thanks for having me. It's good to be with you.

You know, so one of the things I was talking with you about, Sarah, are asking you questions about is Obviously getting hostages home is a very positive thing. You know, Lord only knows what they've been through with the pain that their families have been through. Amas has had these hostages since October seventh, So why now, why are they engaging now?

You know, so one of the things I was talking with you about, Sarah, are asking you questions about is Obviously getting hostages home is a very positive thing. You know, Lord only knows what they've been through with the pain that their families have been through. Amas has had these hostages since October seventh, So why now, why are they engaging now?

Yeah? And a Lisia, I think part of the reason they're doing this is because the Israelis, the Raeli devents forces have really put them on their heels. And the Israelis have a very good strategic and operational plan with Hamas and Gasha. And what they did is they cut Gaza, the Gaza strip in half, a line called the Wadi Gaza line if you drew that right to the sea, and then they cleared that to the north so they could isolate Gaza City, which is really the center of gravity, that the most important part of where Hamas is. And then they started to reduce it reduce, meaning buildings, infrastructure, Hamas terraces. And I think Hamas saw that and they were on their back foot and they said, okay, we need a way to have a breathing spell. And they're using the hostages in that regard and they're actually they humus or being supported actually indirectly by the United States in the sense that we are pushing Israel to come up with a pause, which is going to a ceasefire or an armistice long term, which I think is a huge mistake. They should let Israel finish the job. So they're using the hostages as the region, and look what they're doing. They're metering them out and they can't release all the hostages if they're right now on their current timeline. They just can't make it, especially when you looking at a three to one transfer, where three Palestinians to every one Israeli or a foreign national. So the question you have to ask is, Okay, what does this mean for the long term. Oh, by the way, they've only released one American and we're not sure how many they've gone. Because the second part of that is this is what I was with John roberts Es today explaining to him. I said, my biggest concern, and I think it's going to be born out, is that Hamas doesn't know where all these people are. They have no idea who they have or where they're at. They don't have a good we would call in the military a manifest that documents how to reach these people, how to reach the organizations that are holding them. So I think over the long term, one of the reasons why they want to meet them out is because they're not sure who they do have and who they don't have. So again it was a long answer to a short question. They're looking because if they want to get it to their advantage, go to a ceasefire, which they want to go for a long term armistice, and then that just actually is detrimental to the Israeli effort.

Yeah? And a Lisia, I think part of the reason they're doing this is because the Israelis, the Raeli devents forces have really put them on their heels. And the Israelis have a very good strategic and operational plan with Hamas and Gasha. And what they did is they cut Gaza, the Gaza strip in half, a line called the Wadi Gaza line if you drew that right to the sea, and then they cleared that to the north so they could isolate Gaza City, which is really the center of gravity, that the most important part of where Hamas is. And then they started to reduce it reduce, meaning buildings, infrastructure, Hamas terraces. And I think Hamas saw that and they were on their back foot and they said, okay, we need a way to have a breathing spell. And they're using the hostages in that regard and they're actually they humus or being supported actually indirectly by the United States in the sense that we are pushing Israel to come up with a pause, which is going to a ceasefire or an armistice long term, which I think is a huge mistake. They should let Israel finish the job. So they're using the hostages as the region, and look what they're doing. They're metering them out and they can't release all the hostages if they're right now on their current timeline. They just can't make it, especially when you looking at a three to one transfer, where three Palestinians to every one Israeli or a foreign national. So the question you have to ask is, Okay, what does this mean for the long term. Oh, by the way, they've only released one American and we're not sure how many they've gone. Because the second part of that is this is what I was with John roberts Es today explaining to him. I said, my biggest concern, and I think it's going to be born out, is that Hamas doesn't know where all these people are. They have no idea who they have or where they're at. They don't have a good we would call in the military a manifest that documents how to reach these people, how to reach the organizations that are holding them. So I think over the long term, one of the reasons why they want to meet them out is because they're not sure who they do have and who they don't have. So again it was a long answer to a short question. They're looking because if they want to get it to their advantage, go to a ceasefire, which they want to go for a long term armistice, and then that just actually is detrimental to the Israeli effort.

And now that we've had this pause, I mean, Israel has faced a tremendous amount of pressure for a ceasefire internationally as well as from the media. Is it going to be possible for Israel to re engage in their overall goal, which is the destruction of hamas well?

And now that we've had this pause, I mean, Israel has faced a tremendous amount of pressure for a ceasefire internationally as well as from the media. Is it going to be possible for Israel to re engage in their overall goal, which is the destruction of hamas well?

It's going to be hard because any time you're in an operational pause, when we talk in the military of an operational pause, we're only talking generally hours, and that's to refit, rearm take a deep breath and go at it again. When you're talking days or weeks, then the whole idea of having the offensive capability is reduced considerably, not only in thinking through it, but in the be able to fight and be find that where these people are at because they're able to reconstitute themselves. So I think over the long term, it's a huge mistake. And that is where the duality of this really bothers me. And what I mean by the duality. If you've got our administration here in the United States, to Biden administration saying well, we need to have a ceasefire, pause, long term worry about the hostages. What they have not talked about is the ability for the Israelis to eradicate Hamas. And when I say eradicate, I mean that in the purest definition that you find, which means the elimination of all of them as the leaders. And that includes made this comment on the air yesterday, so I'm not running from it. That includes Honiya, who is actually the Hamas Hamas political director in Kutter, and I said, he's one of those guys that you know, you need to look at real hard by taking him out as well, and by you here and let me just do the bridge with you. And here's what really bothers me with the Biden administration. I have no idea why Joe Biden hasn't picked up the phone and called chik Altani, who's the emir, the leader in Doha, and say to him, Okay, you are also harboring the Hamas leadership, primarily Hania there. Why don't you tell us how many Americans you've got or why don't you tell me where they all the hostage are? And he hasn't leveraged that, And I think it's a big mistake.

It's going to be hard because any time you're in an operational pause, when we talk in the military of an operational pause, we're only talking generally hours, and that's to refit, rearm take a deep breath and go at it again. When you're talking days or weeks, then the whole idea of having the offensive capability is reduced considerably, not only in thinking through it, but in the be able to fight and be find that where these people are at because they're able to reconstitute themselves. So I think over the long term, it's a huge mistake. And that is where the duality of this really bothers me. And what I mean by the duality. If you've got our administration here in the United States, to Biden administration saying well, we need to have a ceasefire, pause, long term worry about the hostages. What they have not talked about is the ability for the Israelis to eradicate Hamas. And when I say eradicate, I mean that in the purest definition that you find, which means the elimination of all of them as the leaders. And that includes made this comment on the air yesterday, so I'm not running from it. That includes Honiya, who is actually the Hamas Hamas political director in Kutter, and I said, he's one of those guys that you know, you need to look at real hard by taking him out as well, and by you here and let me just do the bridge with you. And here's what really bothers me with the Biden administration. I have no idea why Joe Biden hasn't picked up the phone and called chik Altani, who's the emir, the leader in Doha, and say to him, Okay, you are also harboring the Hamas leadership, primarily Hania there. Why don't you tell us how many Americans you've got or why don't you tell me where they all the hostage are? And he hasn't leveraged that, And I think it's a big mistake.

There were a ton of reports about and Biden, I think even more or less references in sixty minutes soon after the terror attacks. You know, why has Biden pushed back and tried to slow walk Israel's ground invasion initially and then has also interfered and tried to, you know, get these cease fires as well? Why is this administration so seemingly opposed to eradicating Hamas. You would think that would be a shared interest.

There were a ton of reports about and Biden, I think even more or less references in sixty minutes soon after the terror attacks. You know, why has Biden pushed back and tried to slow walk Israel's ground invasion initially and then has also interfered and tried to, you know, get these cease fires as well? Why is this administration so seemingly opposed to eradicating Hamas. You would think that would be a shared interest.

Yeah, it's a great question, and I think it's in his DNA as the commander in chief. Look, I think of the White House in the situation room and who's in there like a giant funnel, and you pour all this information to the funnel and at the bottom end of the funnel. There's only about seven or eight people who really end up making helping with decisions. That's the President, the Vice president, sex State sec, deaf, national Security Advisor, a couple of people like that. And I think what you look at, though, the ultimate decision maker is always the president constitutionally in itself, and he's always risk averse. I reminded what Bob Gates said, he's former Secretary of Defense and former CIA director. He said this on cb Yes television episode and also wrote in his book that Joe Biden has been wrong on nearly every national security decision in the last four years. And we all have in our DNA how we react. And you and I we probably both go to the same service station, same grocery store, walk the walk the aisles the same way. You know, we go to the same salons, whatever it is. It's always the same. And that's he's got that DNA. He's developed this and bottom line, Joe Biden is risk averse. He talks really good, but he doesn't play very well. And that has been historically a pattern. I remind everybody that when Obama went after Bin Laden and when they were in the situation room, the word out of the situation room. There was only one person who tried to push back on Obama and said don't do it yet, and that was Joe Biden. So it's in his DNA not to have risk, do risk. And I think that's the big difference between he and the Trump administration, where we would advise Trump and then he would make the decision understanding the risk. In this administration and Biden, I don't think he's got advisors. I think he's got enablers, and there's a huge difference enablers. Basically, you all agree and then you go forward with an action. You know. I'm reminded what Peter Drucker said. He was that great management grew since past when he said, if everybody in the room agrees with you, get rid of everybody in the room. So basically, have people as advisors that would push back, and we did in the Trump administration. So it's a long answered, short question, and I just think it's as DNA not to do it. And it's proven time and time begin and by the way, this you can track this not only what's happened with with what's happening in Israel, but he did the same thing with Ukraine.

Yeah, it's a great question, and I think it's in his DNA as the commander in chief. Look, I think of the White House in the situation room and who's in there like a giant funnel, and you pour all this information to the funnel and at the bottom end of the funnel. There's only about seven or eight people who really end up making helping with decisions. That's the President, the Vice president, sex State sec, deaf, national Security Advisor, a couple of people like that. And I think what you look at, though, the ultimate decision maker is always the president constitutionally in itself, and he's always risk averse. I reminded what Bob Gates said, he's former Secretary of Defense and former CIA director. He said this on cb Yes television episode and also wrote in his book that Joe Biden has been wrong on nearly every national security decision in the last four years. And we all have in our DNA how we react. And you and I we probably both go to the same service station, same grocery store, walk the walk the aisles the same way. You know, we go to the same salons, whatever it is. It's always the same. And that's he's got that DNA. He's developed this and bottom line, Joe Biden is risk averse. He talks really good, but he doesn't play very well. And that has been historically a pattern. I remind everybody that when Obama went after Bin Laden and when they were in the situation room, the word out of the situation room. There was only one person who tried to push back on Obama and said don't do it yet, and that was Joe Biden. So it's in his DNA not to have risk, do risk. And I think that's the big difference between he and the Trump administration, where we would advise Trump and then he would make the decision understanding the risk. In this administration and Biden, I don't think he's got advisors. I think he's got enablers, and there's a huge difference enablers. Basically, you all agree and then you go forward with an action. You know. I'm reminded what Peter Drucker said. He was that great management grew since past when he said, if everybody in the room agrees with you, get rid of everybody in the room. So basically, have people as advisors that would push back, and we did in the Trump administration. So it's a long answered, short question, and I just think it's as DNA not to do it. And it's proven time and time begin and by the way, this you can track this not only what's happened with with what's happening in Israel, but he did the same thing with Ukraine.

Yeah, but I think you know, Obama kind of nailed it too when he reportedly said, don't underestimate Biden's ability to f things up because the world.

Yeah, but I think you know, Obama kind of nailed it too when he reportedly said, don't underestimate Biden's ability to f things up because the world.

I use that sometimes too as well.

I use that sometimes too as well.

No, no kidding, right, and looking at everything going on both here domestically and internationally as well. You know, I was worried about this because I you know, I was at un Fox the weekend that the terror attacks happened and was co hosting the Big Show, and I remember talking about how my concern was that Israel is not just going to be fighting a war, but they would be fighting a propaganda war too, and that Biden would end up kind of kneeling to the pressure that he would be facing. You know, we're sort of seeing that happened. I mean, how complicated is that when you're trying to fight a war, but then you know you're also facing this propaganda war, including having the military push the Gazen Ministry of Health, which is Hamas.

No, no kidding, right, and looking at everything going on both here domestically and internationally as well. You know, I was worried about this because I you know, I was at un Fox the weekend that the terror attacks happened and was co hosting the Big Show, and I remember talking about how my concern was that Israel is not just going to be fighting a war, but they would be fighting a propaganda war too, and that Biden would end up kind of kneeling to the pressure that he would be facing. You know, we're sort of seeing that happened. I mean, how complicated is that when you're trying to fight a war, but then you know you're also facing this propaganda war, including having the military push the Gazen Ministry of Health, which is Hamas.

And you're right on it, and they've kind of captured they Hamas has kind of captured the narrative on this. You know, this is a war of extinction between both and I'm listening to BB not Naho. You know, the Prime Minister of Israel. I'm fascinated in each of his speeches. He always goes back and he talks in biblical terms. You know, in his first speech out he went back to the Old Testament and Ecclesiastes three, you know, time for all seasons. And he said, there's a time for war, there's a time for peace. This is a time for war. And I said, whoa. And every time he's talked now he goes back and he talks like that, And so you have to My belief has always been it's very important you look through the lens of the other person. What is that he or she's seen that I'm not seeing, and how they're talking. So Hamas is clearly in their written charter talks about the elimination of Israel and the Jewish people. They call him a zaion estate. And I think the Israelis understand that, and I don't think we do. And I think we've put it where we've kind of said, well, this is just another one of the local wars they've had. Now this is much much deeper. They lost more people on the seventh of October than they've lost the Jews since the whole and if you look at it, if you basically do it as would be per capita with the United States, we're talking thousands of people killed instead of just hundreds. So I think they look at it this way, and I think there's a frustration there that has not been explained well, or people don't have And I hate to say this, Lisa, I don't think some people have a moral compass. I mean, it's very clear to me, and I've got some moral certitude on this that I believe Historically, if we said at the end of World War Two we would never tolerate this, we the civilized population of the world would never tolerate something like this again, Well, this is our moment, this is our never again moment. You know. I've been a big believer that you can have decency into pravity in the same neighborhood, and decency meaning the Israelis into pravity, I mean a terrorist organization that, oh, by the way, we declare a matory terroist organization in nineteen ninety seven. I don't know what's missing here. We should understand that and we should have the narrative. Now. I think where the problem is and the solution is the same place is. I don't think Joe Biden has been gone on to national television and been the moral leader of this nation when it comes to this, when he's talked about just Israel, don't conflate Israel and Ukraine together, don't bring it together, don't talk about it, don't talk about Islamophobia, talk about what this means from a moral certitude issue. And because he hasn't done that, they've allowed other voices a lot of anti Semitism to take hold and to include on campuses as well. So I think that's the problem. I think there's a solution, they just haven't done it yet.

And you're right on it, and they've kind of captured they Hamas has kind of captured the narrative on this. You know, this is a war of extinction between both and I'm listening to BB not Naho. You know, the Prime Minister of Israel. I'm fascinated in each of his speeches. He always goes back and he talks in biblical terms. You know, in his first speech out he went back to the Old Testament and Ecclesiastes three, you know, time for all seasons. And he said, there's a time for war, there's a time for peace. This is a time for war. And I said, whoa. And every time he's talked now he goes back and he talks like that, And so you have to My belief has always been it's very important you look through the lens of the other person. What is that he or she's seen that I'm not seeing, and how they're talking. So Hamas is clearly in their written charter talks about the elimination of Israel and the Jewish people. They call him a zaion estate. And I think the Israelis understand that, and I don't think we do. And I think we've put it where we've kind of said, well, this is just another one of the local wars they've had. Now this is much much deeper. They lost more people on the seventh of October than they've lost the Jews since the whole and if you look at it, if you basically do it as would be per capita with the United States, we're talking thousands of people killed instead of just hundreds. So I think they look at it this way, and I think there's a frustration there that has not been explained well, or people don't have And I hate to say this, Lisa, I don't think some people have a moral compass. I mean, it's very clear to me, and I've got some moral certitude on this that I believe Historically, if we said at the end of World War Two we would never tolerate this, we the civilized population of the world would never tolerate something like this again, Well, this is our moment, this is our never again moment. You know. I've been a big believer that you can have decency into pravity in the same neighborhood, and decency meaning the Israelis into pravity, I mean a terrorist organization that, oh, by the way, we declare a matory terroist organization in nineteen ninety seven. I don't know what's missing here. We should understand that and we should have the narrative. Now. I think where the problem is and the solution is the same place is. I don't think Joe Biden has been gone on to national television and been the moral leader of this nation when it comes to this, when he's talked about just Israel, don't conflate Israel and Ukraine together, don't bring it together, don't talk about it, don't talk about Islamophobia, talk about what this means from a moral certitude issue. And because he hasn't done that, they've allowed other voices a lot of anti Semitism to take hold and to include on campuses as well. So I think that's the problem. I think there's a solution, they just haven't done it yet.

We're going to take a quick commercial break more with General Kellogg on the other side. I honestly, I don't just say this, you know, obviously as a conservative who you know obviously doesn't support this administration. I just really do think Joe Biden lacks a backbone. And we've seen it even you know, he changed his position on the High Amendment during the campaign in twenty four hour. He just doesn't stand strong on any I don't really think he believes in anything besides politics and staying in office. And you know, like he just really is the epitome of what a politician a week need politician. It was even reading some articles on the prisoner the Palestinian prisoners, and CBS was talking about, you know, oo, teen Palestinian prisoners, like trying to act like somehow these people were innocent, and you know, you could go back to twenty eleven when the Hamas leader was exchanged in a prisoner exchange in twenty eleven. So we're not talking about just regular civilians that are being released from these Israeli jails. We're talking about many of these people who engaged in terror attacks against Israelis.

We're going to take a quick commercial break more with General Kellogg on the other side. I honestly, I don't just say this, you know, obviously as a conservative who you know obviously doesn't support this administration. I just really do think Joe Biden lacks a backbone. And we've seen it even you know, he changed his position on the High Amendment during the campaign in twenty four hour. He just doesn't stand strong on any I don't really think he believes in anything besides politics and staying in office. And you know, like he just really is the epitome of what a politician a week need politician. It was even reading some articles on the prisoner the Palestinian prisoners, and CBS was talking about, you know, oo, teen Palestinian prisoners, like trying to act like somehow these people were innocent, and you know, you could go back to twenty eleven when the Hamas leader was exchanged in a prisoner exchange in twenty eleven. So we're not talking about just regular civilians that are being released from these Israeli jails. We're talking about many of these people who engaged in terror attacks against Israelis.

The narrative has picked up that it's an equivalence for every Palestinian they've released, you you know, they've released Israelis. The Israelis were taken by an incursion and invasion of homage into Israel. A lot of those Palestinians are in jail because of what they've done to police or civilians as well. That's one of the things we did in the Trump administration. We took money away from the Palestinian authority because they had to pay for slaver program where they would pay money a big stipend. Doubt if somebody in Palestinian would kill, shoot, wound may Israeli civilian. And what happened is the Taylor Force Issue Act came out because one of them killed in an American happened to be a West Point graduate, happened to be in Tel Aviv and he was killed. And so we basically said, no, that's not going to happen. We're not going to give it to you. Now they've reinstituted the funding back into into the Palestine Authority, and it's one of the reasons why I think that the Palestinian authorities can't be allowed to do something in a new gaza. I think they need to bring somebody else besides the boss, because his portfolio shot out and there are people out there, and I said that yesterday to some people. There are some people out there that who actually I think Israelis could work with that are Palestinian, not homage and long term. They need to think like that, because somebody has to think least a long term. How do they get out of the box they're in right now, And they're in a box. Joe Biden isn't going to help them. You're absolutely right, he's risk averse, but it's in his DNA. It's the way he is. And I think is if nobody's pushing back on in his advisors. I think that's been proven from Afghanistan to now.

The narrative has picked up that it's an equivalence for every Palestinian they've released, you you know, they've released Israelis. The Israelis were taken by an incursion and invasion of homage into Israel. A lot of those Palestinians are in jail because of what they've done to police or civilians as well. That's one of the things we did in the Trump administration. We took money away from the Palestinian authority because they had to pay for slaver program where they would pay money a big stipend. Doubt if somebody in Palestinian would kill, shoot, wound may Israeli civilian. And what happened is the Taylor Force Issue Act came out because one of them killed in an American happened to be a West Point graduate, happened to be in Tel Aviv and he was killed. And so we basically said, no, that's not going to happen. We're not going to give it to you. Now they've reinstituted the funding back into into the Palestine Authority, and it's one of the reasons why I think that the Palestinian authorities can't be allowed to do something in a new gaza. I think they need to bring somebody else besides the boss, because his portfolio shot out and there are people out there, and I said that yesterday to some people. There are some people out there that who actually I think Israelis could work with that are Palestinian, not homage and long term. They need to think like that, because somebody has to think least a long term. How do they get out of the box they're in right now, And they're in a box. Joe Biden isn't going to help them. You're absolutely right, he's risk averse, but it's in his DNA. It's the way he is. And I think is if nobody's pushing back on in his advisors. I think that's been proven from Afghanistan to now.

Yeah, I mean to be honest, I just think he's a coward.

Yeah, I mean to be honest, I just think he's a coward.

We've seen a lot of attacks on US basis in the Middle East following the terror attacks, a lot of attacks on US soldiers. What do you think the goal of those attacks are? Is it just to kill US forces? Does it try is it to try to get us to engage in a war? What's the objective with those do you think? And how concerned are you that that could lead to something bigger or even worse, you know, could kill a bunch of US soldiers.

We've seen a lot of attacks on US basis in the Middle East following the terror attacks, a lot of attacks on US soldiers. What do you think the goal of those attacks are? Is it just to kill US forces? Does it try is it to try to get us to engage in a war? What's the objective with those do you think? And how concerned are you that that could lead to something bigger or even worse, you know, could kill a bunch of US soldiers.

I think they're deliberately tweaking our nose, we the United States by doing these attacks. And it's well o verse seventy right now. I remind people, I said, go back to the State of the Union addressed by President Trump in January of twenty twenty, when he said very clearly and people can find it, you know, on Google on tape, if you attack an American, he didn't say kill. If you attack an American in your life, is forfeit. Bingo got it. Real clear message was sent out there, and I think what they're doing right now is you're just harashing and showing to us through kind of saying, see, we can kick sand in the Americans face and they're not going to do anything. And it lowers our prestige level in the region because they're saying, Jesus, the Americans, with all the combat capability and capacity they have in the region, which is significant, they're not going to do anything. I think the first thing this happened is through our protecting power, which is the Swiss with Iran, because we don't have relations with the Iranians, diplomatic relations as we should have passed them. Shoot another you use a drone to shoot in an American base and all of your drone factories are at nine o'clock tomorrow morning going to be gone. And you use your Tomaul land attack missiles and they've got over six hundred of them in the Gulf region right now. You just start doing it to this infrastructure and then you go up the line you say, okay, the next one is this until you get the Supreme leader and then you tell Kameni, okay, you're going to put a tea lamp through your front door. And once they understand you're serious, they're going to back off. But they don't think we're serious about anything. And my concern again is if they kill an American, then it's going to be what does Biden do then? And then the voices are going to be raised, why didn't you do something earlier? And that'll be a good question. It goes back to what you said. You said, he's a coward. I can't disagree with you at all, but he's not willing to take the hard risks to do anything. You know, that was one thing I admired President Trump. What I admired about Tresident Trump is you know, you use the hockey term. He was willing to drop gloves and fight. He didn't want to fight. He was a reluctant warrior. And the first time I told him that, he got a little bit upset with me, and I said, you know, mister President, that's a compliment. You know, if you're a military guy, you're willing to fight for somebody who's not going to use you in a stupid way, but if there's reasons to be used, and the commander in chief says do it. You're confident that you're going to get the job done because the people believe in what you're doing or what you want to have happen. And I don't think we're there right now with this president.

I think they're deliberately tweaking our nose, we the United States by doing these attacks. And it's well o verse seventy right now. I remind people, I said, go back to the State of the Union addressed by President Trump in January of twenty twenty, when he said very clearly and people can find it, you know, on Google on tape, if you attack an American, he didn't say kill. If you attack an American in your life, is forfeit. Bingo got it. Real clear message was sent out there, and I think what they're doing right now is you're just harashing and showing to us through kind of saying, see, we can kick sand in the Americans face and they're not going to do anything. And it lowers our prestige level in the region because they're saying, Jesus, the Americans, with all the combat capability and capacity they have in the region, which is significant, they're not going to do anything. I think the first thing this happened is through our protecting power, which is the Swiss with Iran, because we don't have relations with the Iranians, diplomatic relations as we should have passed them. Shoot another you use a drone to shoot in an American base and all of your drone factories are at nine o'clock tomorrow morning going to be gone. And you use your Tomaul land attack missiles and they've got over six hundred of them in the Gulf region right now. You just start doing it to this infrastructure and then you go up the line you say, okay, the next one is this until you get the Supreme leader and then you tell Kameni, okay, you're going to put a tea lamp through your front door. And once they understand you're serious, they're going to back off. But they don't think we're serious about anything. And my concern again is if they kill an American, then it's going to be what does Biden do then? And then the voices are going to be raised, why didn't you do something earlier? And that'll be a good question. It goes back to what you said. You said, he's a coward. I can't disagree with you at all, but he's not willing to take the hard risks to do anything. You know, that was one thing I admired President Trump. What I admired about Tresident Trump is you know, you use the hockey term. He was willing to drop gloves and fight. He didn't want to fight. He was a reluctant warrior. And the first time I told him that, he got a little bit upset with me, and I said, you know, mister President, that's a compliment. You know, if you're a military guy, you're willing to fight for somebody who's not going to use you in a stupid way, but if there's reasons to be used, and the commander in chief says do it. You're confident that you're going to get the job done because the people believe in what you're doing or what you want to have happen. And I don't think we're there right now with this president.

That makes sense because it gives our soldiers the confidence of Okay, if this is the go ahead, it's a worthwhile go ahead. It's you know, this is what we should be doing versus you know, just sort of indiscriminately, you know, fighting wars. How close to a regional war are we? Will this become a regional war?

That makes sense because it gives our soldiers the confidence of Okay, if this is the go ahead, it's a worthwhile go ahead. It's you know, this is what we should be doing versus you know, just sort of indiscriminately, you know, fighting wars. How close to a regional war are we? Will this become a regional war?

If Trump was in the White House, he answered me without question no, because people wouldn't want to go there with this administration. I think the answer could be yes. In a regional war meaning Iran support and hesbalah hamas Israel under pressure the Saudi's kind of standing back and saying no, I'm not too sure you want to play with Biden's administration, and then you're kind of it'd be a limited war, wouldn't be a major war. But there's a lot of consequences what we call branches and sequels from something like that. You know, what would happen in the Strait of Oramuz, What would happen in the Persian Gulf, you know, what would happen in Israel, what would happen in Iraq. So the possibility of that happening is there, and that's the reason why the United States should act very very hard and be very very tough when they deal with the Iranians and they deal with the Hamas, or deal with anybody in the region. You know, I reminded what Teddy Roosevelt said years and years and years ago when he said, when you strike strike hard, that makes sense to me. Man a few words and he gets it across, and that's what needs to be done. So I think the potential is there. It has grown significantly, I think, I think, just not in a regional more. But I am very concerned that I have. I don't think I've ever seen in my time that the world is as unstable as is today. U, and I'm talking about what you're seeing in Europe with Russia, Ukraine, what you're seeing in the Pacific with the escalation of China as necessarily a regional power, but a global power. What you're seeing what's happening in the Middle East, what you're actually seeing in South America, in Latin America as well. I think there's more problems on your plate than you can you can handle right now. And I don't think they're good at doing a good job day the Biden administration, and I don't think Jake Sullivan is either being able to juggle all these balls at the same time, and some of them are going to drop.

If Trump was in the White House, he answered me without question no, because people wouldn't want to go there with this administration. I think the answer could be yes. In a regional war meaning Iran support and hesbalah hamas Israel under pressure the Saudi's kind of standing back and saying no, I'm not too sure you want to play with Biden's administration, and then you're kind of it'd be a limited war, wouldn't be a major war. But there's a lot of consequences what we call branches and sequels from something like that. You know, what would happen in the Strait of Oramuz, What would happen in the Persian Gulf, you know, what would happen in Israel, what would happen in Iraq. So the possibility of that happening is there, and that's the reason why the United States should act very very hard and be very very tough when they deal with the Iranians and they deal with the Hamas, or deal with anybody in the region. You know, I reminded what Teddy Roosevelt said years and years and years ago when he said, when you strike strike hard, that makes sense to me. Man a few words and he gets it across, and that's what needs to be done. So I think the potential is there. It has grown significantly, I think, I think, just not in a regional more. But I am very concerned that I have. I don't think I've ever seen in my time that the world is as unstable as is today. U, and I'm talking about what you're seeing in Europe with Russia, Ukraine, what you're seeing in the Pacific with the escalation of China as necessarily a regional power, but a global power. What you're seeing what's happening in the Middle East, what you're actually seeing in South America, in Latin America as well. I think there's more problems on your plate than you can you can handle right now. And I don't think they're good at doing a good job day the Biden administration, and I don't think Jake Sullivan is either being able to juggle all these balls at the same time, and some of them are going to drop.

It's a very scary time to be alive, you know. I obviously you understand it in very very real terms as someone who's spent so long serving your country. But you know, I think just even to the average American, you know, we all feel how unstable everything is. This instability in the country and or throughout the world rather quick break more in the Middle East, stay tuned. You know, there's been this intense focus on gas and deaths and you know, one we don't really know the exact number because Hamas is the government of Gaza, and you know they're terrorists and their liars. And then secondly, I mean, as sad as it is, I mean it's war, and some of that is inevitable. What do you make of then, and why this intense focus on you know, numbers as opposed to why is Ree's at war? Why is real needs to defend itself and what the ultimate goal should be.

It's a very scary time to be alive, you know. I obviously you understand it in very very real terms as someone who's spent so long serving your country. But you know, I think just even to the average American, you know, we all feel how unstable everything is. This instability in the country and or throughout the world rather quick break more in the Middle East, stay tuned. You know, there's been this intense focus on gas and deaths and you know, one we don't really know the exact number because Hamas is the government of Gaza, and you know they're terrorists and their liars. And then secondly, I mean, as sad as it is, I mean it's war, and some of that is inevitable. What do you make of then, and why this intense focus on you know, numbers as opposed to why is Ree's at war? Why is real needs to defend itself and what the ultimate goal should be.

Yeah, I think part of it is a lack of knowledge. What I mean by a lack of knowledge is from a soldier's perspective, war is terrible, and those that have fought in it know how terrible it is. And I remember it used to when I would talk with the president or the vice president, I'd say, you know, before you go in here, you understand people are going to die, a lot of them, and these you know, when you see these distinguished the transfers up at Dover, that's the result of the decision that you will make or not make. And I think they just don't understand how hard it is. But historically speaking, it's a lack of historical knowledge, Lisa, You know I remind people I said, you know, I'll just give you some I'll give you three examples. You know, when ship back in the Third Punic War, back a few days when Sippio Africanus went into Carthage, and they were so mad at the Carthaginians from what they'd done from Hannibal on. They basically destroyed Carthage. The last seventy thousand they took as slaves and they destroyed the city and then tilted under using sand. Fast forward to the Civil War with Ulysses s Grant and he was sent Sherman in his march to the sea and they burned it in Sherman burned Atlanta to the ground no military reason. Just did it. Sent a point World War two when you look at what we did with both resident in Tokyo with Dresden, we just did that deliberately to level a complete German city for no military reason. We're just sending a message. And that's what's going to have to happen. And that's where our war is so hard, and there's there's there is not good accountability. And when you get into a built up area or a city and you're fighting, it gets even worse because inside the rubble there are going to be bodies. There's going to be civilians that are killed. But that is the reason why you never want to get into war. But if you get into the war, you need to prosecute it as hard as you can to limit the damage long term and bring into a conclusion as best you can. And sometimes bringing it to inclusion conclusion is you have to be very very hard. I mean again. I made a comment in you know John Roberts yesterday, I said, this is the time when inside the situation room you need to have people who have nerves of steel and a steel spine, and they need to make those hard calls and afterwards they probably want to go up and you know, throw throw up in the corner, because what they're doing is making sure that people understand this is going to be a very horrific fight and there's going to be civilians that are going to die. We didn't want this fight, but this is the way it's going to be, and you prosecute to its fullest, because if you don't prosecute war to its fullest, then you're going to end up with another Hamas year, two years, five years, ten years down the line with no resolution. And I don't think the Israeli's leads can afford that. I think they've got to eradicate this and they need to start all over again. You know, when we were doing the Abraham Abraham Accords, we actually went to Bahrain and we did Peace through Prosperity where Jared Kushner went there and we wanted to show the Palestinians in a briefing what this could look like. Palestinians would even show up to the meeting, so we never really got to show him what we tried to do economically, because Trump always came at the world from an economic vision first, and then he went to a military version instead of the other way around. Instead of a military or kinetic version, then they're an economic version. It was all is the economic, diplomatic then military, you.

Yeah, I think part of it is a lack of knowledge. What I mean by a lack of knowledge is from a soldier's perspective, war is terrible, and those that have fought in it know how terrible it is. And I remember it used to when I would talk with the president or the vice president, I'd say, you know, before you go in here, you understand people are going to die, a lot of them, and these you know, when you see these distinguished the transfers up at Dover, that's the result of the decision that you will make or not make. And I think they just don't understand how hard it is. But historically speaking, it's a lack of historical knowledge, Lisa, You know I remind people I said, you know, I'll just give you some I'll give you three examples. You know, when ship back in the Third Punic War, back a few days when Sippio Africanus went into Carthage, and they were so mad at the Carthaginians from what they'd done from Hannibal on. They basically destroyed Carthage. The last seventy thousand they took as slaves and they destroyed the city and then tilted under using sand. Fast forward to the Civil War with Ulysses s Grant and he was sent Sherman in his march to the sea and they burned it in Sherman burned Atlanta to the ground no military reason. Just did it. Sent a point World War two when you look at what we did with both resident in Tokyo with Dresden, we just did that deliberately to level a complete German city for no military reason. We're just sending a message. And that's what's going to have to happen. And that's where our war is so hard, and there's there's there is not good accountability. And when you get into a built up area or a city and you're fighting, it gets even worse because inside the rubble there are going to be bodies. There's going to be civilians that are killed. But that is the reason why you never want to get into war. But if you get into the war, you need to prosecute it as hard as you can to limit the damage long term and bring into a conclusion as best you can. And sometimes bringing it to inclusion conclusion is you have to be very very hard. I mean again. I made a comment in you know John Roberts yesterday, I said, this is the time when inside the situation room you need to have people who have nerves of steel and a steel spine, and they need to make those hard calls and afterwards they probably want to go up and you know, throw throw up in the corner, because what they're doing is making sure that people understand this is going to be a very horrific fight and there's going to be civilians that are going to die. We didn't want this fight, but this is the way it's going to be, and you prosecute to its fullest, because if you don't prosecute war to its fullest, then you're going to end up with another Hamas year, two years, five years, ten years down the line with no resolution. And I don't think the Israeli's leads can afford that. I think they've got to eradicate this and they need to start all over again. You know, when we were doing the Abraham Abraham Accords, we actually went to Bahrain and we did Peace through Prosperity where Jared Kushner went there and we wanted to show the Palestinians in a briefing what this could look like. Palestinians would even show up to the meeting, so we never really got to show him what we tried to do economically, because Trump always came at the world from an economic vision first, and then he went to a military version instead of the other way around. Instead of a military or kinetic version, then they're an economic version. It was all is the economic, diplomatic then military, you.

Know, and then also we know that you know, obviously Hamas tries to increase those civilian deaths, and then you know, even further, it's you know, I think it's kind of difficult to differentiate between the average Palestinian and Hamas when polls show so many Palestinians support Hamas and have taken part in the attacks, and you know, so there's a lot of great territory in that way.

Know, and then also we know that you know, obviously Hamas tries to increase those civilian deaths, and then you know, even further, it's you know, I think it's kind of difficult to differentiate between the average Palestinian and Hamas when polls show so many Palestinians support Hamas and have taken part in the attacks, and you know, so there's a lot of great territory in that way.

Can Israel go it alone?

Can Israel go it alone?

You know, if they continue to face this pushback from the Biden administration, from the international community, should they go it alone?

You know, if they continue to face this pushback from the Biden administration, from the international community, should they go it alone?

Can they go it alone?

Can they go it alone?

I think if you're looking at Hamash and Hesblah, I think right now they can contain it. But if it starts being involved with outside actors Iran, they cannot then I think my concern then is you go to a real escalation phase and the Israelis are not afraid to escalate, and who knows where that will take them, but they are not willing. And I said earlier these historical references are very important biblical references because they really mean never again, and if they have to, they will use an ultimate weapon, and that means within the region. And I really believe that. So right now, I think we need to support them. They can handle Hamas. I don't think HESBLA really wants to get involved because so they're now more of a political party than a military party in Lebanon. But I think they're going to be okay. But if they don't have our support, it's going to be a really really hard slog form. And what I mean by our support, the President needs to say, hey, BB dude, eradicate Hamas over to you, instead of saying, well, we need to worry about the prisoners, we need to worry about the use of force, which to me is an insult to the Israelis when we start talking to them about the rules of war when the other side hasn't even acknowledged them at all. I said guys. You know, if anybody's been following the rules of war warfare is the Israeli and not Hamas. So I think they can contain it, but they need to finish the job. But they need our support to do it. And I think everybody's waiting in the world waiting how the United States is going to react to this. There's a lot of countries waiting on the sidelines right now. Are they going to weigh in? And I don't think they're going to weigh in until they have firm commitment and confidence in President Joe Biden that he's going to do the right thing. I think they're just going to stand back and watch, which.

I think if you're looking at Hamash and Hesblah, I think right now they can contain it. But if it starts being involved with outside actors Iran, they cannot then I think my concern then is you go to a real escalation phase and the Israelis are not afraid to escalate, and who knows where that will take them, but they are not willing. And I said earlier these historical references are very important biblical references because they really mean never again, and if they have to, they will use an ultimate weapon, and that means within the region. And I really believe that. So right now, I think we need to support them. They can handle Hamas. I don't think HESBLA really wants to get involved because so they're now more of a political party than a military party in Lebanon. But I think they're going to be okay. But if they don't have our support, it's going to be a really really hard slog form. And what I mean by our support, the President needs to say, hey, BB dude, eradicate Hamas over to you, instead of saying, well, we need to worry about the prisoners, we need to worry about the use of force, which to me is an insult to the Israelis when we start talking to them about the rules of war when the other side hasn't even acknowledged them at all. I said guys. You know, if anybody's been following the rules of war warfare is the Israeli and not Hamas. So I think they can contain it, but they need to finish the job. But they need our support to do it. And I think everybody's waiting in the world waiting how the United States is going to react to this. There's a lot of countries waiting on the sidelines right now. Are they going to weigh in? And I don't think they're going to weigh in until they have firm commitment and confidence in President Joe Biden that he's going to do the right thing. I think they're just going to stand back and watch, which.

Is a sad state of the fairs because you know, I don't have confidence in this president to do the right thing, you know, particularly when all of a sudden the issue is Islamophobia. After he pulls with seventeen percent of Arab Americans, you know, a cle clear political move on his behalf, and instead of just doing the right thing, General Keith Kellogg, I've learned so much from you today.

Is a sad state of the fairs because you know, I don't have confidence in this president to do the right thing, you know, particularly when all of a sudden the issue is Islamophobia. After he pulls with seventeen percent of Arab Americans, you know, a cle clear political move on his behalf, and instead of just doing the right thing, General Keith Kellogg, I've learned so much from you today.

Is there anything you'd like to leave us with before we go?

Is there anything you'd like to leave us with before we go?

I actually go back to J. R. R. Tolkien you know who wrote The Lord of the Rings since deceased, and he said there's a great comment he made. He said, there's a lot of good in this world and it's worth fighting for. And I really believe that, and I think this is the time when you have to support people who want to fight, regardless of where they're at, for good in the world. And I think if we don't fight for good in the world, I don't care if it's economically, I don't care if it's politically, I don't care if it's militarily it can be all those things are one of those things, then I think we need a huge mistake, and I think people need to sit back and really think real hard, think about history and think about how we got here and how we're kind of a blessed nation and what that means, and put everybody pull together. I don't think this administration is can do it for us. I think we have to do it on our own.

I actually go back to J. R. R. Tolkien you know who wrote The Lord of the Rings since deceased, and he said there's a great comment he made. He said, there's a lot of good in this world and it's worth fighting for. And I really believe that, and I think this is the time when you have to support people who want to fight, regardless of where they're at, for good in the world. And I think if we don't fight for good in the world, I don't care if it's economically, I don't care if it's politically, I don't care if it's militarily it can be all those things are one of those things, then I think we need a huge mistake, and I think people need to sit back and really think real hard, think about history and think about how we got here and how we're kind of a blessed nation and what that means, and put everybody pull together. I don't think this administration is can do it for us. I think we have to do it on our own.

Jeneral Kellogg, I appreciate your wisdom and bringing this information to my audience and taking the time to join us today.

Jeneral Kellogg, I appreciate your wisdom and bringing this information to my audience and taking the time to join us today.

It's an honor. I really do appreciate your time, sir.

It's an honor. I really do appreciate your time, sir.

Thanks Lisa, thanks for having me.

Thanks Lisa, thanks for having me.

That was General Pete Kellogg.

That was General Pete Kellogg.

I appreciate him taking the time to come on the show learn so much from him. I hope you guys did too. I appreciate you for listening every Monday and his debut. You can listen throughout the week. I want to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

I appreciate him taking the time to come on the show learn so much from him. I hope you guys did too. I appreciate you for listening every Monday and his debut. You can listen throughout the week. I want to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

Until next time,

Until next time,