Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth. Today, I'm joined by.

Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth. Today, I'm joined by.

My friend, my good friend, Carol Markowitz. She's the host of The Carol Markowitz Show. She's also a New York Post columnist. She's going to unpack a chilling wave of violence that we've seen in the country, chilling wave of left wing violence, of anti Semitism, from the attack on the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion to the execution of Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, DC, and then now over the weekend, elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado. What's happening, Why is this happening, Where is this going. We're also going to dig into the suspects expired visa and the Biden administration's decision.

My friend, my good friend, Carol Markowitz. She's the host of The Carol Markowitz Show. She's also a New York Post columnist. She's going to unpack a chilling wave of violence that we've seen in the country, chilling wave of left wing violence, of anti Semitism, from the attack on the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion to the execution of Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, DC, and then now over the weekend, elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado. What's happening, Why is this happening, Where is this going. We're also going to dig into the suspects expired visa and the Biden administration's decision.

To give that suspect a work permit despite.

To give that suspect a work permit despite.

The fact that his visa had expired, despite the fact that he was denied a visa in two thousand and five but somehow got one under the Biden administration. Also, is free Palestine just the new rallying cry for terror.

The fact that his visa had expired, despite the fact that he was denied a visa in two thousand and five but somehow got one under the Biden administration. Also, is free Palestine just the new rallying cry for terror.

We'll explore all that.

We'll explore all that.

And more in the wake of the October seventh massacre. Stay tuned for my friend Carol Mark Woitz.

And more in the wake of the October seventh massacre. Stay tuned for my friend Carol Mark Woitz.

Carol, it is so great.

Carol, it is so great.

To have you on the show. I just love you so much. You're one of my best friends, and you're an amazing person. But I just wanted to say that before we get into some heavy stocks way.

To have you on the show. I just love you so much. You're one of my best friends, and you're an amazing person. But I just wanted to say that before we get into some heavy stocks way.

Well, you are one of my absolute faves.

Well, you are one of my absolute faves.

I love knowing you, and I am so happy to be on with you.

I love knowing you, and I am so happy to be on with you.

I'm too, well, I'm happy that you're on with You're picking up what I'm putting down.

I'm too, well, I'm happy that you're on with You're picking up what I'm putting down.

You know, Carol, We've talked a lot since October seventh, just about everything we've seen in the world. I've mentioned to you before that, you know, I feel kind of ignorant to not realizing how much anti Semitism is so rampant, both here in the United States and abroad as well. I mean, even just in a few weeks, we have seen an attack on the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. It was torched because Er Joshapiro is Jewish to Israeli embassy staffers executed to Washington, DC. And I always saw elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado over the weekend.

You know, Carol, We've talked a lot since October seventh, just about everything we've seen in the world. I've mentioned to you before that, you know, I feel kind of ignorant to not realizing how much anti Semitism is so rampant, both here in the United States and abroad as well. I mean, even just in a few weeks, we have seen an attack on the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. It was torched because Er Joshapiro is Jewish to Israeli embassy staffers executed to Washington, DC. And I always saw elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado over the weekend.

What the hell is going on?

What the hell is going on?

Well, one thing to notice about all of these attacks is that they're happening primarily in blue areas. This is not a coincidence. In blue areas. First of all, people can't fight back, right. There are a lot of gun laws that prohibit people from carrying, and it's much more difficult for people to do something when attacked. The attackers know this, and that is why it's happening the way it's happening, you know. I've spoken to other Floridians and just watching the Boulder attack unfold, and how long he was on his feet and hurting people and yelling. He'd be dead before the police car ever arrived in Flow.

Well, one thing to notice about all of these attacks is that they're happening primarily in blue areas. This is not a coincidence. In blue areas. First of all, people can't fight back, right. There are a lot of gun laws that prohibit people from carrying, and it's much more difficult for people to do something when attacked. The attackers know this, and that is why it's happening the way it's happening, you know. I've spoken to other Floridians and just watching the Boulder attack unfold, and how long he was on his feet and hurting people and yelling. He'd be dead before the police car ever arrived in Flow.

And that's the way it should be. People should be afraid.

And that's the way it should be. People should be afraid.

To launch attacks like this, and the fact.

To launch attacks like this, and the fact.

That they're not in blue areas is a real tell.

That they're not in blue areas is a real tell.

Having said all that, obviously antisemitism is a problem everywhere.

Having said all that, obviously antisemitism is a problem everywhere.

I'm not naive.

I'm not naive.

I don't think, oh, it only happens in blue parts of the country. Obviously could happen anywhere. But what I've been saying for decades, literally decades, writing about this topic is it's not that antisemitism will stop existing, and it's not that I think anti semits will just die out and there won't be anymore into Semitism. It's an age old problem. But what we're looking for when we see antisemitism rear its head is the reaction from the community, the reaction from society. If society doesn't care the way it seemed, for example, in France over the last decade plus, that's a real problem for me. But in America, I've seen people are outraged, you know, who don't have to be are outraged, and the government is taking such action. Dan Bongino of the FBI calling it a terrorist attack right away, Donald Trump truth thing about it and saying that this kind of thing will not stand. The Justice Department immediately filing federal charges. This is the reaction I want to see from my society, and I'm really happy to see it in America.

I don't think, oh, it only happens in blue parts of the country. Obviously could happen anywhere. But what I've been saying for decades, literally decades, writing about this topic is it's not that antisemitism will stop existing, and it's not that I think anti semits will just die out and there won't be anymore into Semitism. It's an age old problem. But what we're looking for when we see antisemitism rear its head is the reaction from the community, the reaction from society. If society doesn't care the way it seemed, for example, in France over the last decade plus, that's a real problem for me. But in America, I've seen people are outraged, you know, who don't have to be are outraged, and the government is taking such action. Dan Bongino of the FBI calling it a terrorist attack right away, Donald Trump truth thing about it and saying that this kind of thing will not stand. The Justice Department immediately filing federal charges. This is the reaction I want to see from my society, and I'm really happy to see it in America.

You know, I guess you mentioned, you know, the blue areas. And then also, I mean it seems like, you know, obviously there's anti semitism on both sides, but it does seem to be more predominant on.

You know, I guess you mentioned, you know, the blue areas. And then also, I mean it seems like, you know, obviously there's anti semitism on both sides, but it does seem to be more predominant on.

The left for sure.

The left for sure.

And then also just like a lot of cowardice on the left and not calling this out. I mean, you just mentioned sort of the initial very strong response from President Trump and Dan Bongino, So I guess why did Jewish people keep voting for Democrats? Then, you know, it seems like it would be voting against your survival, to be perfectly honest.

And then also just like a lot of cowardice on the left and not calling this out. I mean, you just mentioned sort of the initial very strong response from President Trump and Dan Bongino, So I guess why did Jewish people keep voting for Democrats? Then, you know, it seems like it would be voting against your survival, to be perfectly honest.

Well, as a lifelong conservative, this has been something that I've cared about for a long time and something that I've really hated about my community for a long time. I will say that I think there's been a tea change in the last few years. And these kinds of things do take time. But according to my calculations, and I've looked into local numbers in a lot of places, I've looked into state exit polls, I've really done kind of a numbers breakdown of this.

Well, as a lifelong conservative, this has been something that I've cared about for a long time and something that I've really hated about my community for a long time. I will say that I think there's been a tea change in the last few years. And these kinds of things do take time. But according to my calculations, and I've looked into local numbers in a lot of places, I've looked into state exit polls, I've really done kind of a numbers breakdown of this.

I have it on a sub stack from a few months ago.

I have it on a sub stack from a few months ago.

I think Donald Trump got in the forties percent of the Jewish vote. I think he's in the forty five, maybe even as high as forty seven percent of the Jewish vote. And that's giant leap from his thirty percent in twenty twenty. But even thirty percent was already on the upward trajectory. Jews were always Democrats, and it was something that was intrinsic in the American Jewish experience.

I think Donald Trump got in the forties percent of the Jewish vote. I think he's in the forty five, maybe even as high as forty seven percent of the Jewish vote. And that's giant leap from his thirty percent in twenty twenty. But even thirty percent was already on the upward trajectory. Jews were always Democrats, and it was something that was intrinsic in the American Jewish experience.

You were a Democrat. Now I'm an immigrant. I came from the Soviet Union.

You were a Democrat. Now I'm an immigrant. I came from the Soviet Union.

Other immigrant groups were always Republican because we came from crazy leftist places and we were like, yeah, no more of that. My Soviet Jewish community in Brooklyn was always very Republican, and I always felt safe and comfortable being a conservative growing up in Brooklyn because my community was conservative and I didn't care what other people thought. But the American Jews who have been here for generations and generations, and they missed World War Two, they missed the Pilgrims in Eastern Europe, they didn't live with strife. They've been so safe in America for so long that they became liberals and they didn't have to worry about anything. I think now things are coming around and their understanding.

Other immigrant groups were always Republican because we came from crazy leftist places and we were like, yeah, no more of that. My Soviet Jewish community in Brooklyn was always very Republican, and I always felt safe and comfortable being a conservative growing up in Brooklyn because my community was conservative and I didn't care what other people thought. But the American Jews who have been here for generations and generations, and they missed World War Two, they missed the Pilgrims in Eastern Europe, they didn't live with strife. They've been so safe in America for so long that they became liberals and they didn't have to worry about anything. I think now things are coming around and their understanding.

That they can't do that anymore. And I love to see it. Personally.

That they can't do that anymore. And I love to see it. Personally.

I hear from Jews all the time who voted Republican for the very first time in this last election. I have lots of Jewish friends who voted for Trump and it was their first Republican vote, and I don't see them going back. I think once you've made the leap, I don't think they're going to vote Democrat. Ever again, you've.

I hear from Jews all the time who voted Republican for the very first time in this last election. I have lots of Jewish friends who voted for Trump and it was their first Republican vote, and I don't see them going back. I think once you've made the leap, I don't think they're going to vote Democrat. Ever again, you've.

Got to take a quick commercial break more with Carrol on the other side. You look at these suspects shouting free Palestine. Is that any different than the albar chance that we've heard from ISIS terrorists or are they the same people?

Got to take a quick commercial break more with Carrol on the other side. You look at these suspects shouting free Palestine. Is that any different than the albar chance that we've heard from ISIS terrorists or are they the same people?

Is it the same?

Is it the same?

It's the same.

It's the same.

It's the same radical isam on our streets. It's the same thing. And you know, the people call it the leftist omni cause. But it could be anything, right, people are destroying property for climate change, or it all could just.

It's the same radical isam on our streets. It's the same thing. And you know, the people call it the leftist omni cause. But it could be anything, right, people are destroying property for climate change, or it all could just.

Head toward a violent direction.

Head toward a violent direction.

Look what you had Luigi Mangioni shooting a healthcare executive on the streets of New York City. He just felt justified to kill whoever he didn't like. And that's the leftist goal, and the leftist message is if you don't like something, you can use violence to stop it. And you see this even in the reactions of these last few violent events. It's like, well, this is what standing up to Zionism looks like. Zionism is just believing that Israel should exist, that it exists, and it should exist. So most Americans are Zionists. The idea that you can just kill Zionists at will. That's going to reach far more people than just the Jewish community.

Look what you had Luigi Mangioni shooting a healthcare executive on the streets of New York City. He just felt justified to kill whoever he didn't like. And that's the leftist goal, and the leftist message is if you don't like something, you can use violence to stop it. And you see this even in the reactions of these last few violent events. It's like, well, this is what standing up to Zionism looks like. Zionism is just believing that Israel should exist, that it exists, and it should exist. So most Americans are Zionists. The idea that you can just kill Zionists at will. That's going to reach far more people than just the Jewish community.

We look at the fact that this suspect in the Boulder case, I'm not going to say his name because he's not worth it's not worth saying. But he's denied a visa in two thousand and five. He's Egyptian, and then he arrived in twenty twenty two on a non immigrant visa. It expired, and then even after it expired, the Biden administration created.

We look at the fact that this suspect in the Boulder case, I'm not going to say his name because he's not worth it's not worth saying. But he's denied a visa in two thousand and five. He's Egyptian, and then he arrived in twenty twenty two on a non immigrant visa. It expired, and then even after it expired, the Biden administration created.

Him a work permit.

Him a work permit.

We see that Trump adminstration has taken a lot of heat for revoking visas and trying to get tougher on legal immigration and who we're giving visas to.

We see that Trump adminstration has taken a lot of heat for revoking visas and trying to get tougher on legal immigration and who we're giving visas to.

But doesn't this just make their case.

But doesn't this just make their case.

Oh yeah, so much. I think that it's crazy that this went on for so long. I mean, just in the last few years watching the border problem. I don't know, he didn't come across the border, but it's irrelevant.

Oh yeah, so much. I think that it's crazy that this went on for so long. I mean, just in the last few years watching the border problem. I don't know, he didn't come across the border, but it's irrelevant.

It's the fact that people.

It's the fact that people.

Knew that America was wide open and anybody could come in. It's so worrisome that we don't know who's here, and obviously this could be, you know, a problem for us going forward. I think that we get to a place where we feel safe and then we trust our government to do what's best for us. And the Biden administration simply did not do that. And it's crazy to me that the left took so long. And I don't know that they're necessarily even still there yet, but the idea that they permitted this to go on in the name of opposing Republicans, like they couldn't have felt good about illegal immigrants in their communities. You saw this on Martha's vineyard, you know, when they had illegal immigrants shipped to them, they immediately got them off the eyeland because nobody wants that in their communities. So the fact that Americans were so quiet about it, and leftist liberal Americans were so quiet about it for so long, I think that that's really crazy to me. You know, our friend Kurt Schlichter had this book called The Attack, and it was about an October seventh style attack happening in America. It's a fictional book, but it's so likely when you don't know who's coming into your country. There's so many people that want to hurt America and Americans around the world. We allowed our borders to be wide open for so long where millions of people came in and we don't know who they are. We're in danger. It is a dangerous time in America.

Knew that America was wide open and anybody could come in. It's so worrisome that we don't know who's here, and obviously this could be, you know, a problem for us going forward. I think that we get to a place where we feel safe and then we trust our government to do what's best for us. And the Biden administration simply did not do that. And it's crazy to me that the left took so long. And I don't know that they're necessarily even still there yet, but the idea that they permitted this to go on in the name of opposing Republicans, like they couldn't have felt good about illegal immigrants in their communities. You saw this on Martha's vineyard, you know, when they had illegal immigrants shipped to them, they immediately got them off the eyeland because nobody wants that in their communities. So the fact that Americans were so quiet about it, and leftist liberal Americans were so quiet about it for so long, I think that that's really crazy to me. You know, our friend Kurt Schlichter had this book called The Attack, and it was about an October seventh style attack happening in America. It's a fictional book, but it's so likely when you don't know who's coming into your country. There's so many people that want to hurt America and Americans around the world. We allowed our borders to be wide open for so long where millions of people came in and we don't know who they are. We're in danger. It is a dangerous time in America.

I really do worry that we have just let in so many people who you know, who have Daori's sympathies, right, and we haven't even we don't even know.

I really do worry that we have just let in so many people who you know, who have Daori's sympathies, right, and we haven't even we don't even know.

I mean, we're going to be dealing with this for a very long time. Unfortunately. I'm going to add as people.

I mean, we're going to be dealing with this for a very long time. Unfortunately. I'm going to add as people.

You know, again, I'm an immigrant, I'm not against immigration, but we've gone like just in such a bananas place. Like when I immigrated to this country, we had to prove so many things about ourselves. We had to prove that we were not going to be a danger to this country.

You know, again, I'm an immigrant, I'm not against immigration, but we've gone like just in such a bananas place. Like when I immigrated to this country, we had to prove so many things about ourselves. We had to prove that we were not going to be a danger to this country.

We had to prove that somebody would be taking care of us.

We had to prove that somebody would be taking care of us.

We didn't arrive and say where's my free hotel room and where's my free everything. That just did not happen. And so the idea that we've tossed out this process that we used to have. I understand why support for all immigration is down because you can't even trust that the process is going to work in the future. If Donald Trump implements an immigration process, you know, in his four years in office, we don't know what Democrats are going to do down the line. So the illegal immigration insanity of the last few years has hurt the idea of legal.

We didn't arrive and say where's my free hotel room and where's my free everything. That just did not happen. And so the idea that we've tossed out this process that we used to have. I understand why support for all immigration is down because you can't even trust that the process is going to work in the future. If Donald Trump implements an immigration process, you know, in his four years in office, we don't know what Democrats are going to do down the line. So the illegal immigration insanity of the last few years has hurt the idea of legal.

Immigration to this country. And it makes sense to me.

Immigration to this country. And it makes sense to me.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not against people coming here legally. I just think that it's a privilege, not a right. And I don't think we need people to come here legally or illegally. And so if we do grant someone that privilege, they have to be extremely vetted. They have to want to be a part of America. They have to want to be a contributing factor, you know, Like it's it's like, should be the most exclusive club to ever get.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not against people coming here legally. I just think that it's a privilege, not a right. And I don't think we need people to come here legally or illegally. And so if we do grant someone that privilege, they have to be extremely vetted. They have to want to be a part of America. They have to want to be a contributing factor, you know, Like it's it's like, should be the most exclusive club to ever get.

Into, exactly, and instead they had. Instead we're taking like fake id's you know.

Into, exactly, and instead they had. Instead we're taking like fake id's you know.

It's like, you know, it's nuts.

It's like, you know, it's nuts.

You know, I've been thinking about this for a while. You know.

You know, I've been thinking about this for a while. You know.

You look at October seventh, twenty twenty three, it's equivalent to what.

You look at October seventh, twenty twenty three, it's equivalent to what.

We saw in nine to eleven.

We saw in nine to eleven.

Of course, Israel has a much smaller population, so if you were to compare that to the United States with our population size, it'd be over thirty six thousand people who died. And so I just for the people criticizing Israel's response and look like no country is perfect. But for those criticizing Israel's response, it's like, what is your response to a nine to eleven terror attack? Because you could make the argument that we, you know, obviously stayed in Afghanistan way too long, but between two thousand and one and twenty twenty one, we dropped over eighty thousand bombs and munitions and response to nine to eleven, So it's like, what is the appropriate response to a nine to eleven terror attack?

Of course, Israel has a much smaller population, so if you were to compare that to the United States with our population size, it'd be over thirty six thousand people who died. And so I just for the people criticizing Israel's response and look like no country is perfect. But for those criticizing Israel's response, it's like, what is your response to a nine to eleven terror attack? Because you could make the argument that we, you know, obviously stayed in Afghanistan way too long, but between two thousand and one and twenty twenty one, we dropped over eighty thousand bombs and munitions and response to nine to eleven, So it's like, what is the appropriate response to a nine to eleven terror attack?

Right?

Right?

And I think that what people don't get about Israel is also Afghanistan's far away from US. Afghanistan's not going to invade US. It's they live with this spear all the time. The Gaza is right there, Lebanon is very close. All of this is super close to Israel, and they're constantly under attack. Every night they're under attack. Our friend Dave Rubin performed in Tel Aviv a few days ago. The sirens went off while his show was going on, and his show happens to be in a bunker, so they didn't need to do anything. They could just keep continue the show. But that's how they live. And you know, there's been this conversation over the last few months in America whether or not you need to visit a place like Israel to understand it.

And I think that what people don't get about Israel is also Afghanistan's far away from US. Afghanistan's not going to invade US. It's they live with this spear all the time. The Gaza is right there, Lebanon is very close. All of this is super close to Israel, and they're constantly under attack. Every night they're under attack. Our friend Dave Rubin performed in Tel Aviv a few days ago. The sirens went off while his show was going on, and his show happens to be in a bunker, so they didn't need to do anything. They could just keep continue the show. But that's how they live. And you know, there's been this conversation over the last few months in America whether or not you need to visit a place like Israel to understand it.

I think you do.

I think you do.

And it's not about seeing the checkpoints or anything like that. It's not about seeing how the military operates or anything like that.

And it's not about seeing the checkpoints or anything like that. It's not about seeing how the military operates or anything like that.

It's about seeing the culture.

It's about seeing the culture.

Israeli culture is a culture that loves to live. It is a very alive place. It is a very normal place. It will feel familiar to when you visit. It's a culture very similar to ours. They just want to live freely, they want to raise their children, they want to have a healthy society. And they've tried to make peace with the Palestinians on so many different occasions. They've tried the land for peace, They've tried a million different times to make different peace deals.

Israeli culture is a culture that loves to live. It is a very alive place. It is a very normal place. It will feel familiar to when you visit. It's a culture very similar to ours. They just want to live freely, they want to raise their children, they want to have a healthy society. And they've tried to make peace with the Palestinians on so many different occasions. They've tried the land for peace, They've tried a million different times to make different peace deals.

It just never.

It just never.

Works because the goal of Palestinian leadership is not peace, and it's not to have land for their people and it's not any of that. It's just to destroy Israel, and Israel can have that. So the idea that but you know, some kind of something that Israel could give the Palestinians to make them stop attacking, there really isn't anything. So they have to destroy Hamas. They have to destroy Hasbolah, and they have to kind of live in a way that prevents future attacks. They have to constantly be on the defense, and it's a really tough way to live. And Israel, believe me, is such a peacenick society. So many people that died on October seventh were peace knicks who wanted to live with the Palestinians side by side. The people who were marching in Colorado the other day peacenicks. They all they want is the hostages back, and they want an end to the war, and they want peace with the Palestinians. And these are the people that keep being murdered by Hamas.

Works because the goal of Palestinian leadership is not peace, and it's not to have land for their people and it's not any of that. It's just to destroy Israel, and Israel can have that. So the idea that but you know, some kind of something that Israel could give the Palestinians to make them stop attacking, there really isn't anything. So they have to destroy Hamas. They have to destroy Hasbolah, and they have to kind of live in a way that prevents future attacks. They have to constantly be on the defense, and it's a really tough way to live. And Israel, believe me, is such a peacenick society. So many people that died on October seventh were peace knicks who wanted to live with the Palestinians side by side. The people who were marching in Colorado the other day peacenicks. They all they want is the hostages back, and they want an end to the war, and they want peace with the Palestinians. And these are the people that keep being murdered by Hamas.

I mean, it will be challenging to figure out next steps, you know, because you do have a lot of people that have been displaced already that will probably continue to be displaced. So it's like, I don't really like, I totally understand the fact that a two state solution doesn't make sense at this point, because how do you live alongside people who kill you?

I mean, it will be challenging to figure out next steps, you know, because you do have a lot of people that have been displaced already that will probably continue to be displaced. So it's like, I don't really like, I totally understand the fact that a two state solution doesn't make sense at this point, because how do you live alongside people who kill you?

But then I'll see what do you do with all those people as well?

But then I'll see what do you do with all those people as well?

So I don't I mean, it is challenging, and I truly don't know what the right answer is.

So I don't I mean, it is challenging, and I truly don't know what the right answer is.

Yeah, there's no great answer. Two state solution, in my opinion, is fully dead. I can't you know, you can't reward October seventh with a state. You can't say, oh, you killed all these people and you did all these horrible things. Here's a state for you to celebrate. And I think that Israelis understand that. And again, Israelis have longed for a two state solution. They the right wing in Israel wanted a two state solution. It was something that was extremely common in their thinking. And I think that it no longer is because they get that it's not a state that the Palestinians want. They want a one state solution that does not include Israel. And again they can't have that happen. So I don't know, I don't know what comes next. I you know, when Donald Trump took office and he was talking about we would you know, maybe half jokingly, but not really a Trump Gaza resort.

Yeah, there's no great answer. Two state solution, in my opinion, is fully dead. I can't you know, you can't reward October seventh with a state. You can't say, oh, you killed all these people and you did all these horrible things. Here's a state for you to celebrate. And I think that Israelis understand that. And again, Israelis have longed for a two state solution. They the right wing in Israel wanted a two state solution. It was something that was extremely common in their thinking. And I think that it no longer is because they get that it's not a state that the Palestinians want. They want a one state solution that does not include Israel. And again they can't have that happen. So I don't know, I don't know what comes next. I you know, when Donald Trump took office and he was talking about we would you know, maybe half jokingly, but not really a Trump Gaza resort.

It's sort of where the future is.

It's sort of where the future is.

Headed, where they are not going to get to control their own land because they've done so many horrible things and they have been shown to be incapable of governing themselves. So I don't know where this goes. I know Israelis don't want to be in Gaza. They didn't they left Gaza and I think it's two thousand and three and they didn't want to be there, so they don't want to be there now. But I don't know what the future will hold for them because I can't see them just returning Gaza to the hamas leadership.

Headed, where they are not going to get to control their own land because they've done so many horrible things and they have been shown to be incapable of governing themselves. So I don't know where this goes. I know Israelis don't want to be in Gaza. They didn't they left Gaza and I think it's two thousand and three and they didn't want to be there, so they don't want to be there now. But I don't know what the future will hold for them because I can't see them just returning Gaza to the hamas leadership.

Well do you think you know?

Well do you think you know?

It's like you talked about the the Trump uh Gaza Hotel, and I mean it's interesting because President Trump does this philosophy and he's been able to do things that previous presidents haven't with like the Abraham Accords, and you know, conversations that previous presidents couldn't have and respect that he's getting that other presidents didn't have in the Middle East and from some of these golf states.

It's like you talked about the the Trump uh Gaza Hotel, and I mean it's interesting because President Trump does this philosophy and he's been able to do things that previous presidents haven't with like the Abraham Accords, and you know, conversations that previous presidents couldn't have and respect that he's getting that other presidents didn't have in the Middle East and from some of these golf states.

And I thought his lying when he was in.

And I thought his lying when he was in.

Saudi Arabia that the future of the Middle East is commerce, not chaos.

Saudi Arabia that the future of the Middle East is commerce, not chaos.

Right. I really like that speech me too.

Right. I really like that speech me too.

He gets it in a way that other people don't that like, when you have these mutual economic ties, you have a shared desire for stability.

He gets it in a way that other people don't that like, when you have these mutual economic ties, you have a shared desire for stability.

But sorry, continue no, Yeah, I was going to.

But sorry, continue no, Yeah, I was going to.

Say, I agree, And the only thing I would say is that religious fundamentalism in these Islamic states is the problem.

Say, I agree, And the only thing I would say is that religious fundamentalism in these Islamic states is the problem.

It is the thing that to get over.

It is the thing that to get over.

And Iran, for example, they had a flourishing society for so long and then these fundamentalists came into power in the late seventies and now they don't.

And Iran, for example, they had a flourishing society for so long and then these fundamentalists came into power in the late seventies and now they don't.

And so the.

And so the.

Mulas don't want commerce, they don't want McDonald, they don't want to do business with other countries. They just want to subjugate their population and to keep them under control. And so it's a real tough situation, but it will involve a change of leadership in some places. I think Saudi Arabia is in a really good place right now, and I think what Trump said there resonates with countries that are in that better place where they do want a better life life for their people. I don't think that some of these countries care about whether their people are leading better lives.

Mulas don't want commerce, they don't want McDonald, they don't want to do business with other countries. They just want to subjugate their population and to keep them under control. And so it's a real tough situation, but it will involve a change of leadership in some places. I think Saudi Arabia is in a really good place right now, and I think what Trump said there resonates with countries that are in that better place where they do want a better life life for their people. I don't think that some of these countries care about whether their people are leading better lives.

I don't think that's the point for them at all.

I don't think that's the point for them at all.

Although there are Arab states that you know, that want to be more modernized and hopefully they can help stabilize, you know, hopefully they can be shut Yeah.

Although there are Arab states that you know, that want to be more modernized and hopefully they can help stabilize, you know, hopefully they can be shut Yeah.

Exactly, those countries help stabilize the rest.

Exactly, those countries help stabilize the rest.

You know, that's that's the goal, right Carol. I love you, my friend. Is there anything else you'd.

You know, that's that's the goal, right Carol. I love you, my friend. Is there anything else you'd.

Like to leave us with before we go?

Like to leave us with before we go?

I just want to say that, Lisa Bouth, this is the absolute and I love you and we are going to be hanging out very soon and I'm very excited for that right now.

I just want to say that, Lisa Bouth, this is the absolute and I love you and we are going to be hanging out very soon and I'm very excited for that right now.

I can't wait. I've missed you a.

I can't wait. I've missed you a.

Lot of hugging selfies.

Lot of hugging selfies.

Yes we're like two ships in the night, but not not this week.

Yes we're like two ships in the night, but not not this week.

So great.

So great.

Yes, all right, Carol, thanks so much. I appreciate your time. Thank you, Lisa, it was Carol Markwoodz.

Yes, all right, Carol, thanks so much. I appreciate your time. Thank you, Lisa, it was Carol Markwoodz.

Appreciate her for making the time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week until next time.

Appreciate her for making the time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week until next time.