The Truth with Lisa BootheThe Truth with Lisa Boothe: Where Does America Go From Here with Newt Gingrich
Newt Gingrich discusses the recent legal issues surrounding Donald Trump, the impact on the upcoming election, and the broader challenges facing the nation. He also highlights the importance of public sentiment, the economy, border security, and the need for strong leadership in the face of global threats. The Truth with Lisa Boothe is part of the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Podcast Network - new episodes debut every Monday & Thursday.
Like many of you, I am extremely worried about the future of the country. We all know that we are in perilous times and we have no idea where this thing is heading. We know that we're no longer the constitutional republic that are founding fathers envisioned. It feels and it seems and appears as if we are marching towards authoritarianism. We are turning into a Banana republic where they just start jailing political opponents. We've seen them go after grandmothers for praying and peacefully protesting at abortion clinics to what they did to the January six ers. Now President Donald Trump could go to jail. So where is this thing heading? Where is this country heading?
I don't know.
But who better to turn to than former Speaker Nuke Aningrich. Not only is he a professor of history or was a professor of history, but he's been a major part of history as Speaker of the House, as someone who was the co author in the architect of the Contract with America, who led to our publican victory in the nineteen ninety four congressional election. We're going to get his take and his analysis on what is the future of America?
Where is this heading? What does he think?
Also, make sure to go out and get his new book, March the Majority, check out his podcast with iHeart Newts World and his website Gainridge three to sixty dot com.
Here's new Gingridge.
Speaker Gingridge, It's always a great honor to have you on the show. You're just a brilliant man, and so I'm just I don't know how much I'm going to enjoy hearing what you have to say, because it's probably depressing, but I am very interested in hearing your analysis about where we are as a country and where we're heading.
So I appreciate you making the time to join the show.
Sir, Well, I'm glad to do it, and I'm always the lighted to be with you and have a chance to chat with you. You're right, I don't know it needs to be depressing, but it certainly is sobering, and we are faced with some very big, very real choices for the American people and for our country's future.
When you saw the guilty on all thirty four felony counts, what went through your mind?
What did you start to think? What did you start thinking about?
Well, I assume all along that would probably happen. You have a totally corrupt district attorney rigging a set of non crimes in a way which it virtually every lawyer agrees will be thrown out. You had a judge who clearly hates Trump and whose daughter is making millions of dollars out of anti Trump activities. You had a jury which was like most juries. I mean, if if the judge wants to, he can truly shape a trial, and if you watch the judge, he could. He rejected having an expert from the Federal Election Commission testify, He cut off other witnesses, He got mad at one witness for having raised his eyebrows. You know, I mean, you just go through item by item, and it's just struck me that this was a rigged game. So I wasn't totally shocked. I don't think President Trump was shocked that the rig game produced a rigged result.
But that same you know, that's in vain.
Do you think he can successfully appeal in New York given what we just saw in this case.
Well we don't know. I mean, the New York Appeals Court is kind of weird. But he can't. He can't successfully appeal quickly enough. I mean, first of all, let me just say I think most Americans believe this is a political trial, and most Americans have already discounted it. There's no evidence that it's had a dramatic effect on Trump's support, if anything, has had a dramatic effect on people flocking to him and giving him money, and he had far and away the best week of his campaign in terms of fundraising. Second, I think that it's possible, not certain, but possible, that the Supreme Court will intervene because it is so blatantly politically wrong. It's such a violation both of his President Trump's Eight Amendment rights to know and advance what you're being charged with, which they never made clear. Even in the conviction, it's not clear what they're convicting him of. And at the same time, the judge is violating his First Amendment rights to be a candidate. And I just did a newsletter at Gingris three sixty in which I outline that the people really hurt by this judge aren't Donald Trump. They're the American people. We have a right as a people to pick the president we want and to have some judge try to rig the game to restrict our ability to do that is clearly a violation of our constitutional rights as a free people. And in that sense, I hope and I noticed that Speaker Johnson, who is a constitutional lawyer, made a similar point that this really should be taken up by the Supreme Court. John You, who's a very famous lawyer teaches at Berkeley, said the same thing the other night on a television program. And I think that it's important on Mark Levins show, and it's important for us to recognize that virtually every attorney who's looked at this case thinks it's a phony case. I've said that I think that it is a fake conviction, just as it is fake news. We now have a fake conviction, and that we need to remember that. But it clearly is an all out effort by the Biden administration and the Democrats to try to find some way to destroy Trump, because I think they believe correctly that he is an immortal to their machine, and I think that they believe correctly that he may well win and that nothing they've done so far has stopped him.
Do you think that Judge Burshawn will put Donald Trump in President Trump in jail? And how does that impact the election if he does, oh, I.
Think would enrage the American people, you know, I mean the New York is a city somebody said the other day that Trump would have been better off to have gotten on the subway and punched somebody in the face, because then the attorney, the district attorney, would never have tried it. And I think, you know, this is a city which has a huge problem with crime. It's criminal justice system doesn't work. They have a no bail system. You go down the list, and then you look at how they're treating Donald Trump, and it's just clearly political. Has nothing to do with the criminal justice system, it has nothing to do with the rule of law. This is politics. And I think from that standpoint that you know, it actually has weakened the Democrats. I mean the number of people who I've heard from the last ten days who've said, you know, I'm not really sure I'm for Trump, but I'm sure that what they're doing is so wrong that you have to vote for Trump just to send a signal that we can't let this country slip into this kind of you know, third world dictatorship behavior. And I think they both have in that sense. The Democrats and the Biden administration have both raised a lot of money for Trump and have probably opened up a series of situations where, in fact, the average American looks at them and says, you know, if they can do this to a billionaire former president who is the front runner and will be the nominee of his party, what could they do to me? And I think it creates a sense that if we don't get this thing under control, no one will be safe, there will be no rule of law, and much of what we've called America will disappear.
I guess what I'm most fearful about is are we already there? No?
I don't think so. I think I think we're in a period where we're at a crossroads. I think four more years of Biden than we might get there. They've certainly done everything they could to rig the game, to open up the border to millions of illegal immigrants, to create a bureaucracy which is very far left and tries to impose radical values that most Americans don't believe in. In that sense, yes, I think that there's been a really serious, all out effort. But this is a huge country. This is you know, we're three hundred and thirty five million people, and I think that the average American still has a deep sense of opportunity of a better future of freedom, and we don't like being pushed around. And I think that we're going to that Joe Biden's going to discover this fall that you know, when you have a cognitive decline on the scale he has and you have the kind of record that he has, I just think he's going to have a very very hard time getting re elected. And frankly, a Trump presidency this time will be dramatically more impactful because he said four years to think about what he learned. Remember when he won in twenty sixteen, he'd never really been in politics. I think he really underestimated how sick the bureaucracy was, how hard it would fight him, how difficult it would be to get control. And they've now had four years to think that through, and I think that he will be much more profound in his impact on the system in a new term.
I've always believed in my core that you know, freedom was ingrained in the American spirit and us as Americans. But then COVID happened, and you know, the government said jump and most of Americans said how high. So I guess my faith in my fellow Americans has been greatly diminished since then, if I'm being perfectly honest.
Well, but I think gradually over that period people became more angry and more resistant. And I think that, in fact, the whole experience of government dishonesty, whether you're talking about Fauci or you're talking about the public Health Service, or you're talking about governors who had power go to their head, all of that I think taught most Americans a bunch of very painful lessons that, you know, tyranny doesn't just occur overseas, tyranny can occur right here at home. And I think as a result, the country probably today is more anti government and more anti left wing than it was on January first. To the.
I appreciate hearing you say that. You know what, we've seen millions millions of illegal immigrants come here under Joe Biden's watch.
How does that impact the selection?
Well, we don't know. I to some extent, they may try to vote some of them, you know, they'll certainly talk about that, but I don't think that's ultimately going to be practical in a large enough number that that's my concern. I mean, they passed a rule very early that said that cities and counties had to count the illegal immigrants that were in their town or their county in order to get federal aid based on the numbers. So it actually tried to rig the game to make illegal immorants valuable. But you know when you read, for example, I saw a couple of days ago that one out of every five hotel rooms in New York is now occupied by the legal immigrant, and you realize that you and I are paying for that, So that millions of Americans who can't afford to go to New York and can't afford to pay for a hotel room are having their tax money used to subsidize an the legal immigrant in a hotel room in New York. That this is just crazy. And I think the average American is not crazy. And I think that the reaction to Biden's failure in the border will be one of the reasons that he gets defeated this fall. And I think the country is ready for us to control the border and then to methodically work through the people who are here, starting with the ones who are criminals. I mean, you don't have to tolerate having somebody here in the US who is a criminal from Venezuela or Mexico or China or whatever. And I think we're going to be sobered once we have a pro American process back in place. We're going to be sobered by some of the people who are let in by Biden's open borders.
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I was watching there was a clip from CNN and it said on the question of would Biden or Trump do a better job on border security slash immigration June twenty twenty, Biden was up by one point. Now in May twenty twenty four, Trump's up twenty seven points on that issue, and I saw I think it was an Axios not too long ago had to pull where the majority of Americans support mass deportations. So Americans have come a long way on this issue, from the condemnation that President Trump received on his immigration policies to now Americans really standing behind him on it.
Sure, but part of that, you know. Somebody asked John mayry Kains the famous economist one time who had changed his opinion on something, and they said, you know, you changed your opinion? He said, yes, the facts changed. What would you have me do? And I think that what happened was what seemed to be a distant problem to a lot of Americans, became their evening news. You know, when you have a Venezuelan criminal shooting a New York policeman, you know things have gone too wrong. When you have a twelve or thirteen year old girl in Virginia raped by an illegal immigrant, you know things have gone too wrong. When you have a student at the University of Georgia killed by an illegal immigrant, you know things have gone too long. And so I do think that the country, day by day, week by week, has concluded that the Biden policy of open borders doesn't work and that it actually is dangerous to the country.
There's a thought process, and I've gone back and forth on it from a lot of Republicans that, look, the response to what Democrats are doing to Donald Trump is Republican ags or you know, Republican district attorneys need to start throwing Democrats in jail. Meet power with power, you know, that's how you respond to terrorists.
What do you make of that? Is that something Republicans should do.
I think it would destroy the constitution. I mean I think we ought to. You know, if somebody is guilty, then it's legitimate to go after him. If somebody is a crook, it's legitimate to lock them up. But I don't think we should have our political warfare match up against the Democrats' political warfare, because by definition, in a country that has a constitution and has the rule of law, the very concept of political warfare done in law courts is profoundly wrong. And I think that the dangers the Democrats have done, and I hope they have not unleashed the demons to a point where we can't get it back in the bottle. But I can tell you when you look at the history of free countries, this kind of behavior can break down the entire process of the contract which holds us together. The constitution and the rule of law are the keys to how three hundred and thirty five million people from all over the world are able to live together and to work together and have a common set of rules where everybody respects each other and recognizes that we're all Americans and we're all in this together. And I couldn't help but think in my own podcast at Newtsworld, I just did a podcast about d Day on the landing at Normandy literally eighty years ago, and it struck me that you know, you had Eisenhower was a German name, but nobody thought much about that he's an American. You had Japanese Americans who volunteered in a unit that served in Italy, one of whom got severely wounded, lost in arm, ended up as a US senator. We had people coming together working together because they saw each other as Americans. And I think it's very important that we repudiate the left s effort to divide us. We repudiate the new racism, and we repute the kind of behavior that Biden and the Democrats have engaged in because they undermined the Constitution and they destroyed the very fabric of law which has enabled us to live and work together.
It does seem, though, like there is a higher percentage now on the left who would reject the Constitution, who have no reverence for it, no regard for it, you know.
And so.
I guess that's true, that's absolutely true. And I mean, look that level us a different question. Yeah, you have had four or five generations now of left wing educators who've gradually gone further and further and further. The left is almost like watching the cancer fantastasized and it went from being a critique of America to a repudiation of America to a hatred for America. And when I see people a recent scene in Michigan where people were chanting death to America, I want to deport every one of them. I just think the whole notion. You know, we ought to reaffirm that, yes, you should stand for the flag, Yes you should stand for the national anthem, Yes you should say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning in school, and that if you are not prepared to be supportive of the freest country in the history of the world, then we should all understand that and recognize that you are a danger to us. And I really believe when you look at the professors at Harvard or Yale or Princeton, or the University of Pennsylvania, Colombia, to some extent, Berkeley and Stanford, these are folks who don't have any allegiance to America and who frankly have no idea what they're playing with. I mean, when I watch, for example, people who are gay take a pro Hamas stance, and I wonder did they realize that in the world of Hamas they'd be killed when you watch young women who think that they're liberated and independent take a position in favor of Hamast, You kind of wonder if they have any idea what it'll be like to live in that kind of society and to be totally subjugated. You know, it's just it's it's the part of what's happened to us is our education system has decayed to a point where these people don't know anything, and so what you're getting is great passion with no knowledge, and that's very dangerous.
It almost just seems like they hate anything that is righteous or normal or you know, it's like they just hate anything that is good.
Well, that's it's almost like a Greek myth or something. I mean, it's almost like if you are whatever normal means nowadays, because even the word normal.
Means I think we're pretty normal, you know, we're biased.
But no, but the very word normal itself becomes a fight. It's almost as though good repudiates evil by the simple act of existing. And therefore, if you're a person who is patriotic, hard working, tries to make life work, tries to help your country succeed, you are a repudiation of the radical left who hate America, and so they have an obligation to go after you because you are such a threat to them. You don't have to do anything the act of your existence. This is why if you look at that the Hamas position, which is not a single Jew will remain just the act of being a Jew makes you so devastating to the radical Islamist of Hamas that you have to be killed or driven out because your very existence is an attack on them. Well, those are folks with whom, frankly, there's not much ground for compromise.
I was really said.
It took me a moment because I was taking in how you just laid that out. I've got a quick commercial break. More speaker Gingrish on the other side for President Trump, So you co author architect the contract with America. If you were advising President Trump, what should he make this election about? What issues does he win on this election cycle? What should he do well?
I mean, I think, excuse me, I think, first of all, I believe as Abraham Lincoln said that with public sentiment, anything is possible. Without public sentiment, nothing is possible. I agree with Reagan, who in his farewell address said, you know, people say that I won great legislative victories. But that isn't true. Every legislative victory I won because you, the American people, called and talked to and visited Congressman, and you delivered the victories. So I would start with the American people. We know that the number one issue and the number one point of pain right now is the economy, and we know that the hardest part of that is what I call Biden inflation, and Biden inflation is the result of three years of disastrously bad policies. And you feel like I was just listening to someone the last night who has a good friend who works hard, and his wife works hard. They don't have great jobs, but they have adequate jobs. They have four kids, and they can no longer afford to buy Jeffy peanut butter. They now buy just sort of a general brand because Jiffy's too expensive. When you get to be a point where you can't afford Jeffy peanut butter, the president has failed. And so I think if you look at the inflation rate under Trump and the inflation rate under Biden, and this is what happened to Jimmy Carter when people, you know, I don't care how many ads. The Democrats run this fall. Every time people go to the grocery store, they're going to be reminded in the real world, but that Biden is a failure. So you start with the economy. Second, you have to go to the border, because the border is the second biggest issue, and Biden is totally vulnerable and the hypocritical blogonea of his recent signatures of executive orders. I mean, just think about this. If the number of illegal immigrants goes above twenty five hundred a day, well, in other words, the first million, three hundred thousand a year is okay. I mean, these guys are just nuts. I mean, if you're going to deal with it, deal with it. If you're not going to deal with it, don't deal with it. But to think we're so stupid that we should think you're being tough because after the first couple million, you're going to slow down the rate. It just tells you that they're so wrapped up in their own ideology they can't deal with reality. I think the third thing really is a not so much a specific issue as a mood. I believe Americans know the world is dangerous. I think they know that having a cognitively declining president who half the time is not there is dangerous. And I think that they believe at a time when you have a war in Ukraine, a war in Gaza, you have the Chinese communists menacing Taiwan, that you have the Iranians causing trouble all across the Middle East, I think the American people want somebody who is strong, who will be careful. And if you look at Trump's record for four solid years of avoiding wars and of trying to bring things down and trying to work our way through things while methodically using our power in a surgical way, for example, to destroy Isis, it was a remarkable performance. And I think you compare that to the chaos around the world right now under this team, and you realize that Biden really is hopeless and that his team really is plus, and that it may be a matter of survival for us to elect somebody who's one hundred percent there mentally, who has the right principles and who will actually defend America.
You know, it is pretty interesting to see Americans now having Trump nostalgia and a majority of Americans now looking back at his presidency as a positive and more positively than the way they view the Bide administration. Right now, before we go, will Donald Trump win?
Probably? If the American people turn out and vote, he will win. But his greatest strength are people who normally don't vote. They're the people you saw the other night in Newark at a sports event. They're the everyday folks who rally around him, the people who show up at his rallies, and so he's got to motivate them to actually go vote. If they go vote, he'll win by a shocking margin.
Well, let's pray that they do. As you pointed out, I really don't think we can handle another four years. I don't think this nation can handle another four years of Joe Biden. So praying that Donald Trump wins and Republicans can turn this ship around. Speaker new Gingridge, It's always an honor to have you on the show.
So I just want to say how proud I am of what you've been doing and what a delight it is for me to have a conversation with you like this.
Well that means the absolute world to me, and you made me feel better. I've been pretty been pretty down about all this, so you did manage to make me feel you're an American.
Just keep the faith.
I needed this speaker Getingridge. Thank you so much. It's always an honor.
Take care those speaker New Gingerridge. Appreciate him for taking the time to join the show and bring his analysis during this really important time in history. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I want to think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together. Until next time.
