Ever since the horrific terror attacks in Israel on October seventh, we've seen anti Semitism re or its ugly head across America. Particularly disturbing is what's happening on college campuses where you have student groups supporting the execution of Jews, essentially in some places, calling for the genocide against the Jews. So who's protecting Jewish students and what does this mean for the future of the country when you have young people who are potentially your future leaders supporting this. We're going to bring John Hassen on the show. He writes for town Hall. He's been naming and shaming students who have signed on to some of these letters at universities and college campuses across America. We're going to get his take to walk us through some of the things that he's saying, why he's made the decision to name and shame all that and more. Stay tuned for John Hassen with town Hall. John, thanks so much for coming on this show. I've been following your work with what's going on in college campuses on well X, but I still like to stay Twitter, so it's still kind of weird to you know. I still go back to Twitter, but appreciate you taking the time to come on.

Ever since the horrific terror attacks in Israel on October seventh, we've seen anti Semitism re or its ugly head across America. Particularly disturbing is what's happening on college campuses where you have student groups supporting the execution of Jews, essentially in some places, calling for the genocide against the Jews. So who's protecting Jewish students and what does this mean for the future of the country when you have young people who are potentially your future leaders supporting this. We're going to bring John Hassen on the show. He writes for town Hall. He's been naming and shaming students who have signed on to some of these letters at universities and college campuses across America. We're going to get his take to walk us through some of the things that he's saying, why he's made the decision to name and shame all that and more. Stay tuned for John Hassen with town Hall. John, thanks so much for coming on this show. I've been following your work with what's going on in college campuses on well X, but I still like to stay Twitter, so it's still kind of weird to you know. I still go back to Twitter, but appreciate you taking the time to come on.

Thanks so much for having me on.

Thanks so much for having me on.

Lisay So, John, we've seen a lot of anti semitism on college campuses, I mean really outright support for the genocide of Jews. You've been tracking this all, so take us through some of the examples of what you've been tracking on college campuses and universities across the country.

Lisay So, John, we've seen a lot of anti semitism on college campuses, I mean really outright support for the genocide of Jews. You've been tracking this all, so take us through some of the examples of what you've been tracking on college campuses and universities across the country.

Sure, absolutely, and thanks again for having me on, Lisa. What we're seeing right now is really a national trend over the past several decades that's finally kind of coming home to roost. On October seventh, Israel was invaded by Hamas terras, and the very next day, a lot of students across the country, just dozens of student chapters of various universities put out statements supporting the terrorists, not Israel, but supporting the terrorists raping and murdering Israeli citizens and thirty American citizens as well. So this took the form of several statements, and they followed that up with vigils and protests honoring the so called martyrs of Hamas, and has now started to culminate in actual marches where they're chanting Antifada, you know, and other phrases basically calling for the death of Israelis and the death of Jews.

Sure, absolutely, and thanks again for having me on, Lisa. What we're seeing right now is really a national trend over the past several decades that's finally kind of coming home to roost. On October seventh, Israel was invaded by Hamas terras, and the very next day, a lot of students across the country, just dozens of student chapters of various universities put out statements supporting the terrorists, not Israel, but supporting the terrorists raping and murdering Israeli citizens and thirty American citizens as well. So this took the form of several statements, and they followed that up with vigils and protests honoring the so called martyrs of Hamas, and has now started to culminate in actual marches where they're chanting Antifada, you know, and other phrases basically calling for the death of Israelis and the death of Jews.

And so Jewish students are supposed to be do, what is anyone protecting them on college campuses?

And so Jewish students are supposed to be do, what is anyone protecting them on college campuses?

Very few people, if any, that I've seen. Ben sass Over at the University of Florida put out a phenomenal statement, and he has just been a really great guiding light when it comes to taking care of Jewish students and speaking out and condemning anti Semitism by name. By contrast, Northwestern University is refusing to even address the issue. I believe Harvard put out a statement, but it was several days late after thirty four or thirty five of their student groups signed on to a statement blaming Israel for the rape of its own citizens and the murder of its own citizens. As a result, as a whole, we're seeing really an institutional failure nationwide when it comes to standing up for Jewish students and condemning antisemitism. Broadly speaking, I can't imagine being a Jewish student on campus right now. I would you'd be jumping at shadows, wondering who could you know? Who's behind those statements. Who's behind all these anonymous posts? It would be a really terrifying experience.

Very few people, if any, that I've seen. Ben sass Over at the University of Florida put out a phenomenal statement, and he has just been a really great guiding light when it comes to taking care of Jewish students and speaking out and condemning anti Semitism by name. By contrast, Northwestern University is refusing to even address the issue. I believe Harvard put out a statement, but it was several days late after thirty four or thirty five of their student groups signed on to a statement blaming Israel for the rape of its own citizens and the murder of its own citizens. As a result, as a whole, we're seeing really an institutional failure nationwide when it comes to standing up for Jewish students and condemning antisemitism. Broadly speaking, I can't imagine being a Jewish student on campus right now. I would you'd be jumping at shadows, wondering who could you know? Who's behind those statements. Who's behind all these anonymous posts? It would be a really terrifying experience.

Do you think these students who are cheering this on, you know, is it ignorance or do you think they know what they're supporting.

Do you think these students who are cheering this on, you know, is it ignorance or do you think they know what they're supporting.

That's a great question, lisaid I honestly do think a lot of them know what they're supporting. A lot of this people need to remember two things. First, there's a temptation to kind of infantilize these students, to think of them as just kids, but in reality, they're not just kids. A lot of these are students, are law students, they're master's students, pH PhD students. These are full grown adults, and even the undergraduate students. If you're old enough to be charged as an adult or to go to war, then you're certainly old enough to be held accountable for your actions and your words. So that's the first point. But the second point is a lot of this stems from radical professors. Radical professors create radical students. A great example of this is Selma Wahidi at Harvard University. She signed on to a statement I believe last year might have been twenty twenty one, with a number of other academics calling Israel and apartheid state, supporting the right of Gaza to rise up and to fight back. And this year her research assistant was a student leader of one of those groups that signed the letter blaming Israel for the murder and rape of its citizens. So you can see a pretty clear connection between radical professors and the radical students they create.

That's a great question, lisaid I honestly do think a lot of them know what they're supporting. A lot of this people need to remember two things. First, there's a temptation to kind of infantilize these students, to think of them as just kids, but in reality, they're not just kids. A lot of these are students, are law students, they're master's students, pH PhD students. These are full grown adults, and even the undergraduate students. If you're old enough to be charged as an adult or to go to war, then you're certainly old enough to be held accountable for your actions and your words. So that's the first point. But the second point is a lot of this stems from radical professors. Radical professors create radical students. A great example of this is Selma Wahidi at Harvard University. She signed on to a statement I believe last year might have been twenty twenty one, with a number of other academics calling Israel and apartheid state, supporting the right of Gaza to rise up and to fight back. And this year her research assistant was a student leader of one of those groups that signed the letter blaming Israel for the murder and rape of its citizens. So you can see a pretty clear connection between radical professors and the radical students they create.

And I was reading about the Cornell professor who also called the Hamas terror attack on Israel exhilarating and energizing. I guess he's now on a leave of absence. His name is Russell Rickford.

And I was reading about the Cornell professor who also called the Hamas terror attack on Israel exhilarating and energizing. I guess he's now on a leave of absence. His name is Russell Rickford.

Yeah, and there are other examples of that across the country. But there are a number of different professors that have spoken out and actively cheered on the violence as it's happening. And I mean the good on the Cornell students and everyone else who pushed back on it because there was a They signed a petition and got a movement going with about eleven thousand signatures, and finally the professor requested a leave of absence because there was such an uproar. I think the next the next great step would be to continue that pressure and to push Cornell to actually expect him and oust him entirely. But it's a great first step.

Yeah, and there are other examples of that across the country. But there are a number of different professors that have spoken out and actively cheered on the violence as it's happening. And I mean the good on the Cornell students and everyone else who pushed back on it because there was a They signed a petition and got a movement going with about eleven thousand signatures, and finally the professor requested a leave of absence because there was such an uproar. I think the next the next great step would be to continue that pressure and to push Cornell to actually expect him and oust him entirely. But it's a great first step.

I mean, it's pretty terrifying after finding out that you know more about what exactly happened, you know, the beheading of babies, the you know, taking gouging a father's eyes out while cutting his wife's breast off, and I think they cut the son's fingers off and the daughter's foot off. Yet students around the country believe that this is like the trendy next thing to support.

I mean, it's pretty terrifying after finding out that you know more about what exactly happened, you know, the beheading of babies, the you know, taking gouging a father's eyes out while cutting his wife's breast off, and I think they cut the son's fingers off and the daughter's foot off. Yet students around the country believe that this is like the trendy next thing to support.

That absolutely, And you're making a good point because this really does have a lot of support in kind of the Hollywood circles or other social media figures. I think even Mia Khalifa, who is an adult film star, was live tweeting as it was all going on, cheering it on, and she was gaining publicity, and students were seeing that as an icon ironically, and it's really just a disgusting phenomenon that it's trending. But it's you We've I've seen this movie play out before, and it's kind of eerie that so many students are now using the phrase one solution when talking about what needs to happen, because that's reminiscent of the final solution in the Holocaust. And and everything that happened after the Nazis took over in Germany. So it's it's fascinating and horrifying at the same time to see history repeat itself, you know.

That absolutely, And you're making a good point because this really does have a lot of support in kind of the Hollywood circles or other social media figures. I think even Mia Khalifa, who is an adult film star, was live tweeting as it was all going on, cheering it on, and she was gaining publicity, and students were seeing that as an icon ironically, and it's really just a disgusting phenomenon that it's trending. But it's you We've I've seen this movie play out before, and it's kind of eerie that so many students are now using the phrase one solution when talking about what needs to happen, because that's reminiscent of the final solution in the Holocaust. And and everything that happened after the Nazis took over in Germany. So it's it's fascinating and horrifying at the same time to see history repeat itself, you know.

And we've seen people stand up, you know, some CEOs like you know, you've got like Bill Ackman saying that he's not going to hire Harvard students. There has been you know, prestigious law firms that have as sended offers to some of the students who have supported Hamas.

And we've seen people stand up, you know, some CEOs like you know, you've got like Bill Ackman saying that he's not going to hire Harvard students. There has been you know, prestigious law firms that have as sended offers to some of the students who have supported Hamas.

You know, walk us through some of that.

You know, walk us through some of that.

And do you think that is having an impact on you know, maybe forcing some of these students to second guests, you know, what they're publicly supporting.

And do you think that is having an impact on you know, maybe forcing some of these students to second guests, you know, what they're publicly supporting.

I think it absolutely is. Bill Ackman, as you noted, put out a tweet very early on calling for Harvard to release the names of all of the students involved with the letter supporting Hamas. And there are a number of different, I mean many at this point, many CEOs that have echoed his statements and said similar things. I believe at least four maybe five billionaires from pen have all said that they're going to seize their donations to the school as a result. And I've had a number of different CEOs and heads of companies, investment firms reach out to me so that they can try to get a list of these students, so that as people try to whitewash the events and to cover them up, they'll still have a record of who said what during this whole thing, so that they'll never hire or invest money in them. And it's really great because that's one of the most effective ways that you can push back on this. I think in the wake of once people started protesting the Harvard letter, the students started dropping like flies. A bunch of them resigned from their groups, some of the groups recanted their signatures, and ultimately the Palestinian the Palestine Solidarity Committee, the group that organized all of those that coalition into signing the document, they ended up deleting the letter entirely. So these people will absolutely step down when you push back on them, but it takes a concerted effort, and it definitely I mean, we've already talked about three different levels at this point. We've talked about professors getting ousted and pushed out. We've talked about donors pulling their money from universities and wielding their influence there, and then we're talking about naming and shaming the actual students and holding them accountable as adults for their actions and their words. And so right now we're seeing what is really a rare moment throughout the country where so many different people, both right and left are uniting and hitting all three of those targets in a concerted effort to really push back on all of this, this evil that's happening on campuses right now. So, Bill Ackman deserves a ton of credit.

I think it absolutely is. Bill Ackman, as you noted, put out a tweet very early on calling for Harvard to release the names of all of the students involved with the letter supporting Hamas. And there are a number of different, I mean many at this point, many CEOs that have echoed his statements and said similar things. I believe at least four maybe five billionaires from pen have all said that they're going to seize their donations to the school as a result. And I've had a number of different CEOs and heads of companies, investment firms reach out to me so that they can try to get a list of these students, so that as people try to whitewash the events and to cover them up, they'll still have a record of who said what during this whole thing, so that they'll never hire or invest money in them. And it's really great because that's one of the most effective ways that you can push back on this. I think in the wake of once people started protesting the Harvard letter, the students started dropping like flies. A bunch of them resigned from their groups, some of the groups recanted their signatures, and ultimately the Palestinian the Palestine Solidarity Committee, the group that organized all of those that coalition into signing the document, they ended up deleting the letter entirely. So these people will absolutely step down when you push back on them, but it takes a concerted effort, and it definitely I mean, we've already talked about three different levels at this point. We've talked about professors getting ousted and pushed out. We've talked about donors pulling their money from universities and wielding their influence there, and then we're talking about naming and shaming the actual students and holding them accountable as adults for their actions and their words. And so right now we're seeing what is really a rare moment throughout the country where so many different people, both right and left are uniting and hitting all three of those targets in a concerted effort to really push back on all of this, this evil that's happening on campuses right now. So, Bill Ackman deserves a ton of credit.

And you've named and shamed with your writing at town Hall. Why'd you make the decision to do that.

And you've named and shamed with your writing at town Hall. Why'd you make the decision to do that.

I had a number of different Jewish friends reach out early on and just express how terrified they were and how distraught they were, and I basically for first things. I mean first things first, I tried to put myself in their shoes, and I realized just how terrifying it would be to be a Jewish student on campus today. I mean, you have marches of people calling intifada, and there's only one solution, and no one on campus really seems to be doing anything about it. The universities aren't in many cases aren't shutting it down. Many professors, as we've already mentioned, are actively cheering it on. And if that's terrifying enough, but if all of these statements explicitly saying that they support Hamas or they condemn Israel for all of this, and they blame Israel for all this, that would just be terrifying. I mean, the UVA statement that was put out October eighth explicitly said that they're proud to stand with HAMAS fighters and HAMAS efforts. And as you're seeing stories of people getting their heads chopped off, as you mentioned father's eyes getting gouged out while his wife and mother had a breast chopped off. These are horrible atrocities, and yet you have students fully supporting and saying they're proud to stand in solidarity with those fighters. That would be horrifying, and especially if it's from an anonymous, faceless group. So I decided early on, and full credit to my editors for going along with me on this, we decided to start publishing the names. Because if you're going to endorse violence and endorse evil against an entire race, then yeah, you should be held accountable. Your name should be there, and you should have to face the music.

I had a number of different Jewish friends reach out early on and just express how terrified they were and how distraught they were, and I basically for first things. I mean first things first, I tried to put myself in their shoes, and I realized just how terrifying it would be to be a Jewish student on campus today. I mean, you have marches of people calling intifada, and there's only one solution, and no one on campus really seems to be doing anything about it. The universities aren't in many cases aren't shutting it down. Many professors, as we've already mentioned, are actively cheering it on. And if that's terrifying enough, but if all of these statements explicitly saying that they support Hamas or they condemn Israel for all of this, and they blame Israel for all this, that would just be terrifying. I mean, the UVA statement that was put out October eighth explicitly said that they're proud to stand with HAMAS fighters and HAMAS efforts. And as you're seeing stories of people getting their heads chopped off, as you mentioned father's eyes getting gouged out while his wife and mother had a breast chopped off. These are horrible atrocities, and yet you have students fully supporting and saying they're proud to stand in solidarity with those fighters. That would be horrifying, and especially if it's from an anonymous, faceless group. So I decided early on, and full credit to my editors for going along with me on this, we decided to start publishing the names. Because if you're going to endorse violence and endorse evil against an entire race, then yeah, you should be held accountable. Your name should be there, and you should have to face the music.

You know, some will say that, you know, oh that's engaging and cancel culture. We shouldn't punish students for what they're doing at a young age.

You know, some will say that, you know, oh that's engaging and cancel culture. We shouldn't punish students for what they're doing at a young age.

You know, what do you say to that criticism.

You know, what do you say to that criticism.

I haven't had two answers. The first is, as I've said before, these are not kids. And as you look at all of these groups, all of these statements, it's almost never someone who's eighteen or nineteen years old. It's primarily twenty one through we'll say twenty six year olds. So these are full grown adults. So we're not punishing kids, we're punishing adults. And secondly, it's one thing to hold someone, you know, to try to cancel someone, or to try to ruin someone's career for a edgy joke or something that they posted on Twitter ten years ago or fifteen years ago. Because there's an imbalance of their actions where it might be wrong, but they're not really they don't deserve a full cancelation's that's a totally different dynamic than someone supporting the mass genocide of Jews. And there's a big distinction between people posting jokes on Twitter ten years ago they forgot to delete, they've grown, they've matured, and someone actively calling for the genocide of Jews or tearing down posters of Israeli nine month old children who have either been kidnapped by Hamas or have been murdered and are still missing. So that's the biggest thing is I think there's just a massive discrepancy between the tis.

I haven't had two answers. The first is, as I've said before, these are not kids. And as you look at all of these groups, all of these statements, it's almost never someone who's eighteen or nineteen years old. It's primarily twenty one through we'll say twenty six year olds. So these are full grown adults. So we're not punishing kids, we're punishing adults. And secondly, it's one thing to hold someone, you know, to try to cancel someone, or to try to ruin someone's career for a edgy joke or something that they posted on Twitter ten years ago or fifteen years ago. Because there's an imbalance of their actions where it might be wrong, but they're not really they don't deserve a full cancelation's that's a totally different dynamic than someone supporting the mass genocide of Jews. And there's a big distinction between people posting jokes on Twitter ten years ago they forgot to delete, they've grown, they've matured, and someone actively calling for the genocide of Jews or tearing down posters of Israeli nine month old children who have either been kidnapped by Hamas or have been murdered and are still missing. So that's the biggest thing is I think there's just a massive discrepancy between the tis.

Take a quick commercial break, stay tuned. What do you think that this means for the future of the country. As you pointed out, you know, these are law students, these are you know, these are a lot of people that are going to potentially be in CEO positions in the future, who are going to be lawyers, who are going to be a politicians, We are going to be people who are in positions of leadership in some capacity.

Take a quick commercial break, stay tuned. What do you think that this means for the future of the country. As you pointed out, you know, these are law students, these are you know, these are a lot of people that are going to potentially be in CEO positions in the future, who are going to be lawyers, who are going to be a politicians, We are going to be people who are in positions of leadership in some capacity.

So what does that mean for the future of the country.

So what does that mean for the future of the country.

That's a great question, and I think it still as of today is up and out because we've got to decide as a country. Are we going to just forget about this in two weeks or two months or however long it takes for the conflict in Israel to end, Because if we just decide, yeah, we're not going to hold these kids accountable, We're not going to withdraw our money from the universities. We're just going to forget about this and move on because our attention spans are going to focus on the next thing. Then we're really screwed because, as you pointed out, these are future leaders. This isn't happening at random community colleges throughout the country. This is at Harvard, Yale, Columbia, NYU UVA, massive massive schools that churn out our leaders. I mean, eight of our nine Supreme Court justices, unless I'm mistaken, are IVY League grads, and the ninth is a noted ingrad in Coney Barrett. So if we don't do something about this, then our whole talent pool, all of our future leaders are going to be these radicals that support genocide. And I think it's really going to be a crucial moment, particularly for many liberals who want no part of this, because they have to sit down and they have to decide do I really want to be a part of a movement that's calling for the murder of Jewish people, or that at least is giving support for it, even if they don't explicitly voice that sentiment. And I think we'll see it. I think we'll see, hopefully many start to drift away from the extreme left.

That's a great question, and I think it still as of today is up and out because we've got to decide as a country. Are we going to just forget about this in two weeks or two months or however long it takes for the conflict in Israel to end, Because if we just decide, yeah, we're not going to hold these kids accountable, We're not going to withdraw our money from the universities. We're just going to forget about this and move on because our attention spans are going to focus on the next thing. Then we're really screwed because, as you pointed out, these are future leaders. This isn't happening at random community colleges throughout the country. This is at Harvard, Yale, Columbia, NYU UVA, massive massive schools that churn out our leaders. I mean, eight of our nine Supreme Court justices, unless I'm mistaken, are IVY League grads, and the ninth is a noted ingrad in Coney Barrett. So if we don't do something about this, then our whole talent pool, all of our future leaders are going to be these radicals that support genocide. And I think it's really going to be a crucial moment, particularly for many liberals who want no part of this, because they have to sit down and they have to decide do I really want to be a part of a movement that's calling for the murder of Jewish people, or that at least is giving support for it, even if they don't explicitly voice that sentiment. And I think we'll see it. I think we'll see, hopefully many start to drift away from the extreme left.

You know, I hope people after this, you know, or even you know, you have people who supported Black Lives Matter who foolishly thought that it was about race, or that it was about you, that it was about protecting black lives, or you know, they bought you know, they put the fists in their bio and you know, they all that, you know, on their Instagram and what have you.

You know, I hope people after this, you know, or even you know, you have people who supported Black Lives Matter who foolishly thought that it was about race, or that it was about you, that it was about protecting black lives, or you know, they bought you know, they put the fists in their bio and you know, they all that, you know, on their Instagram and what have you.

My Instagram was filled with just black squares of people trying to virtue signal for the Yeah.

My Instagram was filled with just black squares of people trying to virtue signal for the Yeah.

I did not for the record, but you know, you got all these people waking up to the fact that, oh, holy crap, like Black Lives Matter is posting paragliders. Who are the people who went in and slaughtered two hundred and sixty concert goers, you know, defenseless for no other reason besides being Jewish, And that's what Black Lives Matter support.

I did not for the record, but you know, you got all these people waking up to the fact that, oh, holy crap, like Black Lives Matter is posting paragliders. Who are the people who went in and slaughtered two hundred and sixty concert goers, you know, defenseless for no other reason besides being Jewish, And that's what Black Lives Matter support.

So I hope that people now seeing that realize that, you know, they've been fed these lives and you know, they've been fooled. Do you think that people will wake up from that?

So I hope that people now seeing that realize that, you know, they've been fed these lives and you know, they've been fooled. Do you think that people will wake up from that?

I think they'll wake up to some capacity, because we're already seeing many people grow disillusioned with the Black Lives Matter movement, especially as their leaders are being caught, you know, engaging in massive amounts of fraud and buying these posh mansions for themselves while their organizations start to fail. But the biggest thing is making sure that people remember and they actually let this stick with them and they act on it moving forward. Because it's easy to really make that break initially and to decry everything that's going on, but it's another two to actually persist going forward and to make that break happen.

I think they'll wake up to some capacity, because we're already seeing many people grow disillusioned with the Black Lives Matter movement, especially as their leaders are being caught, you know, engaging in massive amounts of fraud and buying these posh mansions for themselves while their organizations start to fail. But the biggest thing is making sure that people remember and they actually let this stick with them and they act on it moving forward. Because it's easy to really make that break initially and to decry everything that's going on, but it's another two to actually persist going forward and to make that break happen.

You know, we've seen, you know, Governor DeSantis here in Florida has instructed universities to suspend pro hamas students groups. Do you think where governor's conservative governors should fall suit?

You know, we've seen, you know, Governor DeSantis here in Florida has instructed universities to suspend pro hamas students groups. Do you think where governor's conservative governors should fall suit?

Absolutely? I think what Governor DeSantis has done was phenomenal and it's so encouraging to see. You know, as I mentioned before, Ben Sass from a university standpoint, was a really clear leading voice coming out of Florida, and Governor DeSantis, as he has done time and time again, has really been leading the charge on finding a a smart strategic solution that is backed up pushing against this. A lot of people are criticizing it as punishing free speech, but if you look closely, his point is about offering material aid to terrorists because one of these organizations, Student for Justice in Palestine, is a nationwide group that has dozens of chapters across the country, and they were sending out flyers instructing their students how they could offer material aid to people in gazip you know, whether that's Hamas or other unnamed terror groups. And it's a felony to offer material aid to terrorists. And Governor DeSantis found a strong legal backing for pursuing what, in my mind is is the moral course of action.

Absolutely? I think what Governor DeSantis has done was phenomenal and it's so encouraging to see. You know, as I mentioned before, Ben Sass from a university standpoint, was a really clear leading voice coming out of Florida, and Governor DeSantis, as he has done time and time again, has really been leading the charge on finding a a smart strategic solution that is backed up pushing against this. A lot of people are criticizing it as punishing free speech, but if you look closely, his point is about offering material aid to terrorists because one of these organizations, Student for Justice in Palestine, is a nationwide group that has dozens of chapters across the country, and they were sending out flyers instructing their students how they could offer material aid to people in gazip you know, whether that's Hamas or other unnamed terror groups. And it's a felony to offer material aid to terrorists. And Governor DeSantis found a strong legal backing for pursuing what, in my mind is is the moral course of action.

It's pretty terrifying to see the raw in our country. You know, you would think if there was ever a time for moral clarity, it would be the execution of babies, and you know, the beheading of babies here we are.

It's pretty terrifying to see the raw in our country. You know, you would think if there was ever a time for moral clarity, it would be the execution of babies, and you know, the beheading of babies here we are.

So it's sad to see so many people work themselves up into a huff and deny that it's even happening. And it's interesting because the Left as a whole, their media strategy for the longest time has been know that thing you're you're mentioning, it's not happening, and then they shift to Okay, well maybe it's happening, and then their final phase as well, actually it's happening. And it's a good thing. And I think we're already starting to see that where people initially came out and they said, no, that the babies weren't being beheaded or these these other killings aren't happening, and now some people are starting to admit it, and even more people are actively saying, you know what, it's this is a good thing. Into fada intefada, let's carry on the Holy war. So it's kind of a compact example of how the left operates from a media perspective, just in a matter of weeks.

So it's sad to see so many people work themselves up into a huff and deny that it's even happening. And it's interesting because the Left as a whole, their media strategy for the longest time has been know that thing you're you're mentioning, it's not happening, and then they shift to Okay, well maybe it's happening, and then their final phase as well, actually it's happening. And it's a good thing. And I think we're already starting to see that where people initially came out and they said, no, that the babies weren't being beheaded or these these other killings aren't happening, and now some people are starting to admit it, and even more people are actively saying, you know what, it's this is a good thing. Into fada intefada, let's carry on the Holy war. So it's kind of a compact example of how the left operates from a media perspective, just in a matter of weeks.

Well, and they also have no problem just taking Hamas talking points in propaganda and pushing it without questions.

Well, and they also have no problem just taking Hamas talking points in propaganda and pushing it without questions.

So absolutely. I mean it's even even some journalists who are generally good Trey Yanks, for example, over at Fox News, they fall for it because he cited some statistic provided by Save the Children, and then when you look at who Saved the Children's citing, it's ultimately the uh, it's ultimately Hamas, it's the Gaza Ministry of Health or whatever other shell organization they have there. And so they launder those stats through so many different organizations to try to fool people.

So absolutely. I mean it's even even some journalists who are generally good Trey Yanks, for example, over at Fox News, they fall for it because he cited some statistic provided by Save the Children, and then when you look at who Saved the Children's citing, it's ultimately the uh, it's ultimately Hamas, it's the Gaza Ministry of Health or whatever other shell organization they have there. And so they launder those stats through so many different organizations to try to fool people.

John Hassen, thanks so much, Town Hall. Go check out his work.

John Hassen, thanks so much, Town Hall. Go check out his work.

Thank you so much, Lisa, Appreciate you having me on.

Thank you so much, Lisa, Appreciate you having me on.

So that was John Hasson with Towna Hall. Appreciate him taking the time to join the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I want to think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

So that was John Hasson with Towna Hall. Appreciate him taking the time to join the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I want to think John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

Until next time.

Until next time.