So, as many of you know at home, I live in the free State of Florida. I was born in Virginia, Virginian by birth, Floridian by choice. And I keep hearing all this advertising telling me to vote yes on Amendment four. I attended a dinner recently and I heard this guy speak and he started an organization. He started a group to advocate against voting yes on Amendment four, telling us to vote no.

So, as many of you know at home, I live in the free State of Florida. I was born in Virginia, Virginian by birth, Floridian by choice. And I keep hearing all this advertising telling me to vote yes on Amendment four. I attended a dinner recently and I heard this guy speak and he started an organization. He started a group to advocate against voting yes on Amendment four, telling us to vote no.

So what is Amendment for?

So what is Amendment for?

Basically, in the state of Florida, it would codify and enshrine into law the ability to have late term abortions in the state. You've got all the pro abortion players spending tens of millions of dollars here in the state of Florida telling people to vote yes, but the message isn't getting across to vote no. So that's what we're going to talk about today. So I am solidly pro life. I can't, for the life of me understand how you've got something like thirty eight states across America that have fetal homicide loss. If a woman who is pregnant is murdered and a unborn child is murdered, that is a homicide. That is murder. But it's not murder if someone decides to do it to themselves. I got a real kick out of COVID of not getting the vaccine when that was actually my body, my choice, right because everyone was spreading COVID regardless of vaccination status. That really was my body, my choice. Yet they were trying to force the vaccine down our throats and into her arms. But in the instance of a pregnancy, I'm sorry, but it's not your body your choice. There's another human life to consider. I might have this guy Boheymen on my podcast to take us through everything you need to know about Amendment for, why you should vote against Amendment for and if you don't live in the state of Florida, there are a lot of these ballot measures on the ballot in states across the country. And also it's just important to listen to this episode to pay attention to what's on your ballot in November. So stay tuned for Boheymen with First Care of Florida and who also started the group read Between Thelies dot Org.

Basically, in the state of Florida, it would codify and enshrine into law the ability to have late term abortions in the state. You've got all the pro abortion players spending tens of millions of dollars here in the state of Florida telling people to vote yes, but the message isn't getting across to vote no. So that's what we're going to talk about today. So I am solidly pro life. I can't, for the life of me understand how you've got something like thirty eight states across America that have fetal homicide loss. If a woman who is pregnant is murdered and a unborn child is murdered, that is a homicide. That is murder. But it's not murder if someone decides to do it to themselves. I got a real kick out of COVID of not getting the vaccine when that was actually my body, my choice, right because everyone was spreading COVID regardless of vaccination status. That really was my body, my choice. Yet they were trying to force the vaccine down our throats and into her arms. But in the instance of a pregnancy, I'm sorry, but it's not your body your choice. There's another human life to consider. I might have this guy Boheymen on my podcast to take us through everything you need to know about Amendment for, why you should vote against Amendment for and if you don't live in the state of Florida, there are a lot of these ballot measures on the ballot in states across the country. And also it's just important to listen to this episode to pay attention to what's on your ballot in November. So stay tuned for Boheymen with First Care of Florida and who also started the group read Between Thelies dot Org.

Stay tuned.

Stay tuned.

Well, Bo, it's great to have you on the podcast. You know we're Filaridians. And with that, there's this ballot measure called Amendment For that we will be voting on in November. And so when don't have you to come on the show to talk to us a little bit about what people should know. I guess you know, we'll start off with the basics. What is Amendment for?

Well, Bo, it's great to have you on the podcast. You know we're Filaridians. And with that, there's this ballot measure called Amendment For that we will be voting on in November. And so when don't have you to come on the show to talk to us a little bit about what people should know. I guess you know, we'll start off with the basics. What is Amendment for?

Well, in a nutshell, I would describe Amendment for as a radical pro abortion amendment. I mean, that's not what it's going to be labeled as on the balot, but that's really what it is. It's an amendment that would legalize abortion through all forty weeks of pregnancies while we're removing all safeguards for women and we remove parental consent for minors, and it allows uh even painful dismenderment abortions all the way through forty weeks of pregnancy.

Well, in a nutshell, I would describe Amendment for as a radical pro abortion amendment. I mean, that's not what it's going to be labeled as on the balot, but that's really what it is. It's an amendment that would legalize abortion through all forty weeks of pregnancies while we're removing all safeguards for women and we remove parental consent for minors, and it allows uh even painful dismenderment abortions all the way through forty weeks of pregnancy.

And so.

And so.

You know, you said they would remove you know what sort of like regulations would it remove in the state in terms for abortions.

You know, you said they would remove you know what sort of like regulations would it remove in the state in terms for abortions.

Well, in Florida, we have a bill that was passed last year, but it didn't go into effect until May first. It's called the Heartbeat Protection Act, and the Heartbeat Protection Act says that you can't have an abortion after six weeks. Six weeks is generally when a heartbeat is detectable. It's a little different from what some other states have where you actually have to go and get an ultrasound and see a heart beat. Here, if you're six weeks pregnant, you can no longer have an abortion. But there are a number of exceptions. So there are exceptions for maternal health, there's exceptions for fetal abnormalities, there are exceptions for women who have been the victims of rape, incest, sex trafficking. There are now you don't necessarily even need these things to be explicitly mentioned as exceptions. But of course, miscarriage care dncs after a miscarriage, all of those things are completely legal currently in the state of Florida. So there's a lot of misunderstandings and people think, well, gosh, and let's I vote yes on this, I won't be able to get miscarriage care. Completely incorrect. I mean, you can already get all the miscarriage care that you need right here in the state of Florida. And if you're a victim of rape, princess, they already have exceptions for that too.

Well, in Florida, we have a bill that was passed last year, but it didn't go into effect until May first. It's called the Heartbeat Protection Act, and the Heartbeat Protection Act says that you can't have an abortion after six weeks. Six weeks is generally when a heartbeat is detectable. It's a little different from what some other states have where you actually have to go and get an ultrasound and see a heart beat. Here, if you're six weeks pregnant, you can no longer have an abortion. But there are a number of exceptions. So there are exceptions for maternal health, there's exceptions for fetal abnormalities, there are exceptions for women who have been the victims of rape, incest, sex trafficking. There are now you don't necessarily even need these things to be explicitly mentioned as exceptions. But of course, miscarriage care dncs after a miscarriage, all of those things are completely legal currently in the state of Florida. So there's a lot of misunderstandings and people think, well, gosh, and let's I vote yes on this, I won't be able to get miscarriage care. Completely incorrect. I mean, you can already get all the miscarriage care that you need right here in the state of Florida. And if you're a victim of rape, princess, they already have exceptions for that too.

Hey, guys, are there any guardrails with amendment for in terms of are there any limitations for when someone could get an abortion, or what does that look like for amendment?

Hey, guys, are there any guardrails with amendment for in terms of are there any limitations for when someone could get an abortion, or what does that look like for amendment?

For well, I have a full text at the amendment here, right, it's thirty six words long. So it says no laws show prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patient's health, as determined by the patient's health care provider. Right. So, if nothing prohibits, penalizes, delays, or restricts abortion, you know that's not actually a good thing. So what are the something What are some things that you know restrict abortion? Well, currently, in Florida, a licensed medical doctor has to perform your abortion. He has to perform it in a surgical facility, he has to have admitting rights at a nearby hospital in case something goes wrong. All those regulations are going to be out the window, which basically means anyone will be able to perform an abortion anywhere with any method. Now, the funny thing is the reason that we were told that abortion needed to be legal is to get rid of back alley abortions. Right, unlicensed medical people doing unlicensed abortions. This actually makes that legal, So it removes all of the safeguards that already exist on abortion and listen, I know I'm a very pro life person. I don't think abortion should be legal, but if it's going to be legal, it should have safeguards on it at a minimum, and this lift those safeguards. So it talks about viability. But here it says that you can't restrict a prohibit abortion and so or delay. So currently in Florida, in order to get abortion an abortion, you have to have an ultrasound, right, and the doctor has to offer the opportunity for the patient to at least be the ultrasound. So if a woman's having an abortion and then you can't delay it, then you can't have an ultrasome requirement. How do we even know this woman is still pregnant? How do we know she has a pregnancy that is going to be viable? And not only that, how do we know how old the child is that's being aborted. If you're not required to have an ultrasound, that's all going to be up to the discretion of the abortionists. So yeah, really dangerous for women.

For well, I have a full text at the amendment here, right, it's thirty six words long. So it says no laws show prohibit, penalize, delay, or restrict abortion before viability or when necessary to protect the patient's health, as determined by the patient's health care provider. Right. So, if nothing prohibits, penalizes, delays, or restricts abortion, you know that's not actually a good thing. So what are the something What are some things that you know restrict abortion? Well, currently, in Florida, a licensed medical doctor has to perform your abortion. He has to perform it in a surgical facility, he has to have admitting rights at a nearby hospital in case something goes wrong. All those regulations are going to be out the window, which basically means anyone will be able to perform an abortion anywhere with any method. Now, the funny thing is the reason that we were told that abortion needed to be legal is to get rid of back alley abortions. Right, unlicensed medical people doing unlicensed abortions. This actually makes that legal, So it removes all of the safeguards that already exist on abortion and listen, I know I'm a very pro life person. I don't think abortion should be legal, but if it's going to be legal, it should have safeguards on it at a minimum, and this lift those safeguards. So it talks about viability. But here it says that you can't restrict a prohibit abortion and so or delay. So currently in Florida, in order to get abortion an abortion, you have to have an ultrasound, right, and the doctor has to offer the opportunity for the patient to at least be the ultrasound. So if a woman's having an abortion and then you can't delay it, then you can't have an ultrasome requirement. How do we even know this woman is still pregnant? How do we know she has a pregnancy that is going to be viable? And not only that, how do we know how old the child is that's being aborted. If you're not required to have an ultrasound, that's all going to be up to the discretion of the abortionists. So yeah, really dangerous for women.

So how do they define viability?

So how do they define viability?

They don't And that's it. I read you the entire thing. I didn't read the little preamble leading up to it, but there is no definition of viability, so it's subject to interpretation. Now, many people think viability occurs around twenty two weeks. There's been some babies who've been born prior to that who have survived. But what if it gets interpreted as I don't know, thirty six weeks, like a full term, that's when a baby becomes viable. And again, without an ultrastar requirement, how would you even know how far along you are?

They don't And that's it. I read you the entire thing. I didn't read the little preamble leading up to it, but there is no definition of viability, so it's subject to interpretation. Now, many people think viability occurs around twenty two weeks. There's been some babies who've been born prior to that who have survived. But what if it gets interpreted as I don't know, thirty six weeks, like a full term, that's when a baby becomes viable. And again, without an ultrastar requirement, how would you even know how far along you are?

Is it safe to say or is it accurate to say that this would allow for late term abortions?

Is it safe to say or is it accurate to say that this would allow for late term abortions?

Oh, one hundred percent, it's right there in the plain text. So after viability, right, which we don't know how to determine because we haven't said when it is and we can't require an ultrasound, But after viability, it says when when necessary to protect the patients health. Again, health is undefined as determined by the patient's health care provider. Again, health care provider is undefined. In the state of Florida, a health care provider is defined very broadly, So basically, if you're in health care and you're regulated by the state, you're considered a health care provider. So people who have good will right, people like me and you or just kind of you run in the middle person off the street. They can read that and they can take it to mean, well, if the woman's about to die and the doctor says she needs the abortion, then she can have the abortion. But that's not what it says. It says a health care provider, So he's your dental hygienist, a health care provider. Can they say that you need an abortion for your mental health for instance? All of this is completely unclear. And yes, it does pave the way for abortion up to full term babies. And the only way to abort a full term baby is with a painful dismemberment abortion.

Oh, one hundred percent, it's right there in the plain text. So after viability, right, which we don't know how to determine because we haven't said when it is and we can't require an ultrasound, But after viability, it says when when necessary to protect the patients health. Again, health is undefined as determined by the patient's health care provider. Again, health care provider is undefined. In the state of Florida, a health care provider is defined very broadly, So basically, if you're in health care and you're regulated by the state, you're considered a health care provider. So people who have good will right, people like me and you or just kind of you run in the middle person off the street. They can read that and they can take it to mean, well, if the woman's about to die and the doctor says she needs the abortion, then she can have the abortion. But that's not what it says. It says a health care provider, So he's your dental hygienist, a health care provider. Can they say that you need an abortion for your mental health for instance? All of this is completely unclear. And yes, it does pave the way for abortion up to full term babies. And the only way to abort a full term baby is with a painful dismemberment abortion.

And talk about what does that entail.

And talk about what does that entail.

A dismemberment abortion.

A dismemberment abortion.

Yes, go through the process of what they do.

Yes, go through the process of what they do.

Well. So for years they like to obfuscate and say that abortion was okay because it was just a lump of tissue, right, And that's been dispelled because everyone has seen pictures online of ultrasounds and we know that it's a fully formed baby very early on. But through viability, let's say you're thirty six weeks a thirty six year old baby is considered full term. Well, it's too small. I mean, I'm sorry, it's too big to remove safely through the woman's cervix in one piece. And so what the doctors do is, this is a child that's fully capable of feeling pain. They're going to dilate the cervix. They're going to reach in there with instrument, and they start pulling off pieces of the unborn child and extracting it through the cervix. It's completely gruesome. There are very few people in the country who are willing to perform this kind of abortion because it's so gruesome. And yet here we are saying, hey, here's a good idea. Let's put this into Florida's constitution.

Well. So for years they like to obfuscate and say that abortion was okay because it was just a lump of tissue, right, And that's been dispelled because everyone has seen pictures online of ultrasounds and we know that it's a fully formed baby very early on. But through viability, let's say you're thirty six weeks a thirty six year old baby is considered full term. Well, it's too small. I mean, I'm sorry, it's too big to remove safely through the woman's cervix in one piece. And so what the doctors do is, this is a child that's fully capable of feeling pain. They're going to dilate the cervix. They're going to reach in there with instrument, and they start pulling off pieces of the unborn child and extracting it through the cervix. It's completely gruesome. There are very few people in the country who are willing to perform this kind of abortion because it's so gruesome. And yet here we are saying, hey, here's a good idea. Let's put this into Florida's constitution.

Does this amendment, you know, we look at certain states like Minnesota that have removed protections for for babies born alive after botched abortions. What does amendment for mean for that? Does does it change anything in regard to you know, baby is born alive? What should we know about that?

Does this amendment, you know, we look at certain states like Minnesota that have removed protections for for babies born alive after botched abortions. What does amendment for mean for that? Does does it change anything in regard to you know, baby is born alive? What should we know about that?

That's unclear here, So I would refer you. For instance, Amendment three in Florida is the marijuana Amendment. It's four pages long. It defines things like marijuana, marijuana usage, personal use, all these kinds of things. It's actually pages and pages of definitions. Here does an define the term abortion? And that may seem silly, like, oh, we know what an abortion is, but in Florida law and a lot of Florida law in legislation, they didn't use the word abortion. They used the term i top which is an intentional termination of pregnancy well as a termination of pregnancy. Right, So what if the fetus is born alive? What if a viable fetus is born alife, the pregnancy has been terminated, So it's unclear whether or not doctors would have to give life sustaining care to that child who's been born. And since we know that abortion is legal after viability, you're gonna have viable children capable of arriving outside of the womb. And again it's unclear what would.

That's unclear here, So I would refer you. For instance, Amendment three in Florida is the marijuana Amendment. It's four pages long. It defines things like marijuana, marijuana usage, personal use, all these kinds of things. It's actually pages and pages of definitions. Here does an define the term abortion? And that may seem silly, like, oh, we know what an abortion is, but in Florida law and a lot of Florida law in legislation, they didn't use the word abortion. They used the term i top which is an intentional termination of pregnancy well as a termination of pregnancy. Right, So what if the fetus is born alive? What if a viable fetus is born alife, the pregnancy has been terminated, So it's unclear whether or not doctors would have to give life sustaining care to that child who's been born. And since we know that abortion is legal after viability, you're gonna have viable children capable of arriving outside of the womb. And again it's unclear what would.

Happen here if Amendment four is passed in Florida. I guess where does it put us comparatively speaking to other states in terms of accepting abortions.

Happen here if Amendment four is passed in Florida. I guess where does it put us comparatively speaking to other states in terms of accepting abortions.

I think you would make us amongst the most extreme. So if you think about most states, they have some kind of regulations on abortion, whether like Florida, it's six weeks or twelve weeks or fifteen weeks, and even those that have, you know, kind of more liberal laws, like they allow abortiones at fifteen weeks, most of them have something similar to what Florida currently has where they require physicians to perform the abortions, et cetera. So this would make us among the most extreme. And the states that border Florida they all have really strict abortion laws. So this is going to make Florida an abortion tourism destination. Like Floridians would love to brag about our great weather and beaches, we want to be a tourist destination. This is going to make us an abortion destination because if you can't get your abortion in Alabama or Georgia, it's easy enough to come right across the state lines. And what you're going to see is a proliferation of these unlicensed abortion clinics because again it will be illegal to license an abortion clinic. I have a friend that runs a wonderful group and they do undercover investigations on a bordortion clinics. And I think it was last year, maybe the year before they closed down, they helped to close down an abortion clinic in Pensacola, Florida. This abortion clinic had a doctor who had horrible hand trimmers. He was performing abortions, surgical abortions on women. They didn't have sanitary environments. They would take women across the state lines and dump them in emergency rooms if there was some kind of medical emergency during the abortion. So they gathered a bunch of information they presented to the Florida Attorney General. In the Florida Attorney General shut them down. They did a similar investigation in Colorado and they took all that information to the attorney general. The Attorney General looked at it and he said, you know, you're a hundred percent correct, But because we've passed a law that doesn't allow us to regulate abortion, we can't shut this clinic down. If it was any other kind of surgical clinic, we could shut it down. But because it's abortion and we can't regulate it, our hands are tied. That's what's going to happen in Florida.

I think you would make us amongst the most extreme. So if you think about most states, they have some kind of regulations on abortion, whether like Florida, it's six weeks or twelve weeks or fifteen weeks, and even those that have, you know, kind of more liberal laws, like they allow abortiones at fifteen weeks, most of them have something similar to what Florida currently has where they require physicians to perform the abortions, et cetera. So this would make us among the most extreme. And the states that border Florida they all have really strict abortion laws. So this is going to make Florida an abortion tourism destination. Like Floridians would love to brag about our great weather and beaches, we want to be a tourist destination. This is going to make us an abortion destination because if you can't get your abortion in Alabama or Georgia, it's easy enough to come right across the state lines. And what you're going to see is a proliferation of these unlicensed abortion clinics because again it will be illegal to license an abortion clinic. I have a friend that runs a wonderful group and they do undercover investigations on a bordortion clinics. And I think it was last year, maybe the year before they closed down, they helped to close down an abortion clinic in Pensacola, Florida. This abortion clinic had a doctor who had horrible hand trimmers. He was performing abortions, surgical abortions on women. They didn't have sanitary environments. They would take women across the state lines and dump them in emergency rooms if there was some kind of medical emergency during the abortion. So they gathered a bunch of information they presented to the Florida Attorney General. In the Florida Attorney General shut them down. They did a similar investigation in Colorado and they took all that information to the attorney general. The Attorney General looked at it and he said, you know, you're a hundred percent correct, But because we've passed a law that doesn't allow us to regulate abortion, we can't shut this clinic down. If it was any other kind of surgical clinic, we could shut it down. But because it's abortion and we can't regulate it, our hands are tied. That's what's going to happen in Florida.

So let's say a parent has a daughter, you know, under the age of eighteen, and she decides to get an abortion in Florida without telling her parents.

So let's say a parent has a daughter, you know, under the age of eighteen, and she decides to get an abortion in Florida without telling her parents.

Would they have to approve of that with amendment for or what does that mean? For the parents in that scenario.

Would they have to approve of that with amendment for or what does that mean? For the parents in that scenario.

That's a great question. So again, under the current Florida law, we have parental consent, which means a parent has to give their child permission to get an abortion. There's a lot of confusion about this because it does say in here in the summary, especially, it says it doesn't impact the legislature's ability to require notification to a parent or guardian before minor has an abortion. But notification and consent are not the same thing. So, just to be crystal clear, if a fourteen year old goes to the abortion clinic and the parents get wind of it and they want to stop their daughter from having an abortion, they can't because they're not required to give consent, only notification. And since we read in the plain text of this that you cannot have anything delay an abortion, that notification can come after the abortion has been performed. I like to make this analogy right because people still kid confuse between consent and notification. If a carjacker comes up to you in the parking lot, rips the keys out of your hand and says I'm taking your car, you've been notified, but you certainly haven't given consent. That's what's going to happen here because parental consent is no longer going to be the law of the land in Florida. And to just to help you understand, in Florida, a miner can't get a tattoo under the age of sixteen for any reason other than targeted radiation therapy for cancer. So if you're a pairent can go into the tattoo parlor with the fifteen year old and say, hey, I want my fifteen year old take get a tattoo, Legally the tattoo artist has to say nope, can't do it. Well, here a miner will be able to go into an abortion clinic without their parents and have an abortion against their parents.

That's a great question. So again, under the current Florida law, we have parental consent, which means a parent has to give their child permission to get an abortion. There's a lot of confusion about this because it does say in here in the summary, especially, it says it doesn't impact the legislature's ability to require notification to a parent or guardian before minor has an abortion. But notification and consent are not the same thing. So, just to be crystal clear, if a fourteen year old goes to the abortion clinic and the parents get wind of it and they want to stop their daughter from having an abortion, they can't because they're not required to give consent, only notification. And since we read in the plain text of this that you cannot have anything delay an abortion, that notification can come after the abortion has been performed. I like to make this analogy right because people still kid confuse between consent and notification. If a carjacker comes up to you in the parking lot, rips the keys out of your hand and says I'm taking your car, you've been notified, but you certainly haven't given consent. That's what's going to happen here because parental consent is no longer going to be the law of the land in Florida. And to just to help you understand, in Florida, a miner can't get a tattoo under the age of sixteen for any reason other than targeted radiation therapy for cancer. So if you're a pairent can go into the tattoo parlor with the fifteen year old and say, hey, I want my fifteen year old take get a tattoo, Legally the tattoo artist has to say nope, can't do it. Well, here a miner will be able to go into an abortion clinic without their parents and have an abortion against their parents.

Will How did an amendment for get on the ballot?

Will How did an amendment for get on the ballot?

You know, it's called a citizen lead initiative, which is hilariou misnomers. So there's two ways. Well, there's actually a couple of ways for amendments to Florida's Constitution to get on the ballot. So one of them is that every twenty years they have a special Constitutional Committee meet. They can recommend things to go on the ballot. The legislature can sponsor it, or it can be a citizen led initiative. A citizen led initiative would be when a million Floridians all sign a petition to get something on the ballot. And so you can be like, wow, how patriotic. It's citizen led. Yes, but that's not actually what happened. What actually happened is big out of state money people like playing parenthood, the ACLU, labor unions, George Soros, you know the list of the usual suspects. They gather together about twenty million dollars. They paid signature collectors to go out and gather signatures from Florida voters. So it's nice that it's a citizen led initiative, but it's actually led by big abortion money, in big liberal money. So they collected those million signatures, they present them to the State of Florida. They were supposed to be validated. Recently, about thirty seven thousand of them were invalidated, which is no big surprise when you're paying paid collectors to do those kinds of things. After it gets on the after you get the number of signatures that you need, it's got to go through a judicial review by the Florida Supreme Court, and again the Florida Supreme Court really dropped the ball here because they're supposed to make sure that the language is clear, and they ruled that those language was clear. But how can it be clear if you don't even define what an abortion is? And there was one of the justices and he was refuting something that Florida'storney general said Florida. Florida's Attorney general argued that this amendment is a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing. And he said, I disagree. This is a wolf dressed as a wolf. So, in other words, it should be obvious how bad this is. But unless someone really clearly explains it to you, it's not obvious to most people how damaging this amendment can be to Florida, to Florida's women, it to little girls in Florida.

You know, it's called a citizen lead initiative, which is hilariou misnomers. So there's two ways. Well, there's actually a couple of ways for amendments to Florida's Constitution to get on the ballot. So one of them is that every twenty years they have a special Constitutional Committee meet. They can recommend things to go on the ballot. The legislature can sponsor it, or it can be a citizen led initiative. A citizen led initiative would be when a million Floridians all sign a petition to get something on the ballot. And so you can be like, wow, how patriotic. It's citizen led. Yes, but that's not actually what happened. What actually happened is big out of state money people like playing parenthood, the ACLU, labor unions, George Soros, you know the list of the usual suspects. They gather together about twenty million dollars. They paid signature collectors to go out and gather signatures from Florida voters. So it's nice that it's a citizen led initiative, but it's actually led by big abortion money, in big liberal money. So they collected those million signatures, they present them to the State of Florida. They were supposed to be validated. Recently, about thirty seven thousand of them were invalidated, which is no big surprise when you're paying paid collectors to do those kinds of things. After it gets on the after you get the number of signatures that you need, it's got to go through a judicial review by the Florida Supreme Court, and again the Florida Supreme Court really dropped the ball here because they're supposed to make sure that the language is clear, and they ruled that those language was clear. But how can it be clear if you don't even define what an abortion is? And there was one of the justices and he was refuting something that Florida'storney general said Florida. Florida's Attorney general argued that this amendment is a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing. And he said, I disagree. This is a wolf dressed as a wolf. So, in other words, it should be obvious how bad this is. But unless someone really clearly explains it to you, it's not obvious to most people how damaging this amendment can be to Florida, to Florida's women, it to little girls in Florida.

How much advertising, how much of pro abortion groups spent on advertising here in Florida telling people to vote yes.

How much advertising, how much of pro abortion groups spent on advertising here in Florida telling people to vote yes.

We can go on the Department of Elections website and you can see they have a group. It's called the Amendment So I'm sorry, it's a group. It's called Floridians Against it's called Floridaans for Freedom. Sorry. You can see exactly how much they've raised. They've raised over fifty million dollars. They spent out half of that getting it onto the ballot, and now they've got about twenty four million dollars last time I checked that they can use for advertising supporting this. That's just the money that we know about, because there could be other five to one c fours and other kind of dark money agencies spending on this. It's all told, we expect them to spend about fifty million to get this on the ballot. And you may wonder why they're spending so much, Well, yes, they have some kind of They definitely have some kind of dark agenda. You know, I don't know why abortion is so important to people on the left. But also abortionists made approximately sixty two million dollars last year in Florida, so this is just an investment in their future earnings. So if they can recapture that sixty two million and get tons of money from women coming across the state minds to have abortions, then it's just a simple investment for them.

We can go on the Department of Elections website and you can see they have a group. It's called the Amendment So I'm sorry, it's a group. It's called Floridians Against it's called Floridaans for Freedom. Sorry. You can see exactly how much they've raised. They've raised over fifty million dollars. They spent out half of that getting it onto the ballot, and now they've got about twenty four million dollars last time I checked that they can use for advertising supporting this. That's just the money that we know about, because there could be other five to one c fours and other kind of dark money agencies spending on this. It's all told, we expect them to spend about fifty million to get this on the ballot. And you may wonder why they're spending so much, Well, yes, they have some kind of They definitely have some kind of dark agenda. You know, I don't know why abortion is so important to people on the left. But also abortionists made approximately sixty two million dollars last year in Florida, so this is just an investment in their future earnings. So if they can recapture that sixty two million and get tons of money from women coming across the state minds to have abortions, then it's just a simple investment for them.

What's also an effort up for the left to drive people to go vote in November, which is sad that abortion is such a mobilizing.

What's also an effort up for the left to drive people to go vote in November, which is sad that abortion is such a mobilizing.

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For you know, there does seem to be a playbook, And yes there are several. I don't want to speak and tell you which states because they passed in seven states already. And that's the real tragedy to me is that abortion has been on the ballot in seven states and it's passed all seven times. And so I look at this amendment and I hear this a law and this is true. They say, oh, this is so deceptive. It is deceptive. It's written to be confusing. They chose a name, you know, Floridians Protecting Freedom that would resonate with certain kinds of conservatives. But the real issue is here, Florida is not as pro life as we'd like it like to think that it is, because if Floridians were truly pro life, they would read that very first line that says no law shall prohibit penalized delay or restrict abortion, and they would say, no, I'm not going to vote yes on this. I'm gonna vote no one for all the way. But secretly, we're just not as pro life as we need to be, and that's why we're in danger of this passing well.

For you know, there does seem to be a playbook, And yes there are several. I don't want to speak and tell you which states because they passed in seven states already. And that's the real tragedy to me is that abortion has been on the ballot in seven states and it's passed all seven times. And so I look at this amendment and I hear this a law and this is true. They say, oh, this is so deceptive. It is deceptive. It's written to be confusing. They chose a name, you know, Floridians Protecting Freedom that would resonate with certain kinds of conservatives. But the real issue is here, Florida is not as pro life as we'd like it like to think that it is, because if Floridians were truly pro life, they would read that very first line that says no law shall prohibit penalized delay or restrict abortion, and they would say, no, I'm not going to vote yes on this. I'm gonna vote no one for all the way. But secretly, we're just not as pro life as we need to be, and that's why we're in danger of this passing well.

And you look at you know, even in the instance of you know, Ray Blaffe of the Mother Incess, that's you know, less than one percent of abortions. You know, almost all of abortions are an elective decision. Yeah, that gets misconstrued a lot in the media as well.

And you look at you know, even in the instance of you know, Ray Blaffe of the Mother Incess, that's you know, less than one percent of abortions. You know, almost all of abortions are an elective decision. Yeah, that gets misconstrued a lot in the media as well.

Oh for sure, because it's a super convenient talking point. So there's an agency in Florida, and Florida is one of the few remaining states that requires abortion providers to be licensed and that abortions be tracked. But there's something that's called the Florida Agency for Healthcare Administration, and they have abortions by age, by county, and by reason, and so last year in Florida. There were eighty four thousand and fifty two abortions, Yanna of them, we're self reported as being for rape, seven eleven for incest, two for human trafficking. Right, so you add those up and divided by eighty four thousand, it's not just less than one percent, it's far less than one percent. And so you know those kinds of exceptions. People think that it's so common, But here we go. It was less than one hundred and thirty abortions for those reasons in the state of Florida. And yet that's the boogeyman that they worry people with. And I have to say, quite frankly, why are we outlawing abortion at all, other than the fact that it's wrong to take the life of an innocent child. And so it doesn't matter how the child was conceived. If it's wrong to take their life, then it's wrong to take their life.

Oh for sure, because it's a super convenient talking point. So there's an agency in Florida, and Florida is one of the few remaining states that requires abortion providers to be licensed and that abortions be tracked. But there's something that's called the Florida Agency for Healthcare Administration, and they have abortions by age, by county, and by reason, and so last year in Florida. There were eighty four thousand and fifty two abortions, Yanna of them, we're self reported as being for rape, seven eleven for incest, two for human trafficking. Right, so you add those up and divided by eighty four thousand, it's not just less than one percent, it's far less than one percent. And so you know those kinds of exceptions. People think that it's so common, But here we go. It was less than one hundred and thirty abortions for those reasons in the state of Florida. And yet that's the boogeyman that they worry people with. And I have to say, quite frankly, why are we outlawing abortion at all, other than the fact that it's wrong to take the life of an innocent child. And so it doesn't matter how the child was conceived. If it's wrong to take their life, then it's wrong to take their life.

I agree.

I agree.

You broke up for a second there, so you said it was less than I just want to make sure that this is clear for the audience. So it was less than was it one hundred and thirty for rape, life of the mother and incest?

You broke up for a second there, so you said it was less than I just want to make sure that this is clear for the audience. So it was less than was it one hundred and thirty for rape, life of the mother and incest?

Or can you get that number? One more time, just so we're clear.

Or can you get that number? One more time, just so we're clear.

Yeah, this is last year, right, so I'm gonna just add it up. I'm going to add it up right here while we're talking. So there were eleven for incest, there were one hundred and seven for rape, and there were two and these are again reported abortions. There were two for human trafficking. So it was one hundred and twenty. So if we were to divide that by the number of abortions, which was eighty four thousand and fifty two, and we know that because abortions are tracked in Florida, it's all right, So and then I'm a multiply it by one hundred so that we can get the percentage. It's point one four percent of abortions in Florida last year. We're for incest, rape, for human trafficking point one.

Yeah, this is last year, right, so I'm gonna just add it up. I'm going to add it up right here while we're talking. So there were eleven for incest, there were one hundred and seven for rape, and there were two and these are again reported abortions. There were two for human trafficking. So it was one hundred and twenty. So if we were to divide that by the number of abortions, which was eighty four thousand and fifty two, and we know that because abortions are tracked in Florida, it's all right, So and then I'm a multiply it by one hundred so that we can get the percentage. It's point one four percent of abortions in Florida last year. We're for incest, rape, for human trafficking point one.

Four percent, which just goes to show you, which you know, obviously my you know, my heart goes out to anyone who's you know, been raped or has to face incest or what have you. But it just goes to show you what lies we're told in regards to abortions. I guess one thing I'll never understand is you know you've got something like thirty eight states that have fetal homicide loss, including in the state of California. And I guess what I'll never understand is why it's considered murder to kill an unborn baby and a mother's womb, But then if the mother chooses herself to kill the baby, it's not murder.

Four percent, which just goes to show you, which you know, obviously my you know, my heart goes out to anyone who's you know, been raped or has to face incest or what have you. But it just goes to show you what lies we're told in regards to abortions. I guess one thing I'll never understand is you know you've got something like thirty eight states that have fetal homicide loss, including in the state of California. And I guess what I'll never understand is why it's considered murder to kill an unborn baby and a mother's womb, But then if the mother chooses herself to kill the baby, it's not murder.

Well, I mean, that's just the intellectual inconsistency that goes into being you know what we used to term a pro choice person, right, it's the decision that determines the humanity of the unborn. And I'm with you. I have huge sympathy for victims of rape or incest. I have huge sympathy for anyone who's pregnant and doesn't want to be. But that's why there are literally thousands of pregnancy centers across the country who operate for free, who offer free services to women in crisis. We want to do something to help these women. We just don't think that taking the life of the child is the right course of action. No.

Well, I mean, that's just the intellectual inconsistency that goes into being you know what we used to term a pro choice person, right, it's the decision that determines the humanity of the unborn. And I'm with you. I have huge sympathy for victims of rape or incest. I have huge sympathy for anyone who's pregnant and doesn't want to be. But that's why there are literally thousands of pregnancy centers across the country who operate for free, who offer free services to women in crisis. We want to do something to help these women. We just don't think that taking the life of the child is the right course of action. No.

No, I've become much further to write on this as I've gotten older, and I've also just seen friends, you know, struggle with fertility, and you just sort of realize just a gift to this to be able to get pregnant and have a child. How did you get involved in all this? How did you get involved in this fight in Florida?

No, I've become much further to write on this as I've gotten older, and I've also just seen friends, you know, struggle with fertility, and you just sort of realize just a gift to this to be able to get pregnant and have a child. How did you get involved in all this? How did you get involved in this fight in Florida?

Well, I've run a pregnancy clinic in Florida for the past eight years, and when it's got on the bell in April, I was surprised because the language is so deceptive. I thought for sure the Supreme Court wouldn't allow it on the ballot, at least not as it's currently worded. And so one of my good friends said to me, Hey, who do I write a check to to help defeat Amendment number four? And I did a bunch of research and I didn't have any good answers. At the time, none of the political committees had formed yet. And so with his help and the encouragement of others, I formed my own political committee. This is not something I ever envisioned myself doing. I'm not like a political person. But we formed keep Florida Pro Life, which you could find it keep Florida ProLife dot org. And we're raising money to defeat this amendment, and we are doing it in a particular way. We have very sophistic dedicated micro targeted ads that we can push the people on the right telling them why they should vote no on four. It's a moderate's telling them why they should vote know on four. Well, I don't want to get too boring or esoteric, so feel free to cut me off. But the great thing about this kind of advertising is different things resonate with different people. So if you have a fourteen year old daughter at home and you're a moderate and I let you know that Amendment number four is going to remove your printal rights, that makes you a lot more likely to vote know on For if you're a hardcore conservative and you've just ever even heard of Amendment number four and I tell you, hey, this is going to allow abortion through all forty weeks of pregnancy, vote no on four. It makes you a lot more likely to vote know on four. So our ad money goes a lot farther by pushing the right ads to the right people.

Well, I've run a pregnancy clinic in Florida for the past eight years, and when it's got on the bell in April, I was surprised because the language is so deceptive. I thought for sure the Supreme Court wouldn't allow it on the ballot, at least not as it's currently worded. And so one of my good friends said to me, Hey, who do I write a check to to help defeat Amendment number four? And I did a bunch of research and I didn't have any good answers. At the time, none of the political committees had formed yet. And so with his help and the encouragement of others, I formed my own political committee. This is not something I ever envisioned myself doing. I'm not like a political person. But we formed keep Florida Pro Life, which you could find it keep Florida ProLife dot org. And we're raising money to defeat this amendment, and we are doing it in a particular way. We have very sophistic dedicated micro targeted ads that we can push the people on the right telling them why they should vote no on four. It's a moderate's telling them why they should vote know on four. Well, I don't want to get too boring or esoteric, so feel free to cut me off. But the great thing about this kind of advertising is different things resonate with different people. So if you have a fourteen year old daughter at home and you're a moderate and I let you know that Amendment number four is going to remove your printal rights, that makes you a lot more likely to vote know on For if you're a hardcore conservative and you've just ever even heard of Amendment number four and I tell you, hey, this is going to allow abortion through all forty weeks of pregnancy, vote no on four. It makes you a lot more likely to vote know on four. So our ad money goes a lot farther by pushing the right ads to the right people.

I guess what would you tell people, because you know a lot of Americans are in the middle right, Like they look at the six weeks and like, oh man, that's too early if a woman doesn't know she's pregnant, you know, And they look at a late term abortion and say that that's evil, that's demonic. We shouldn't do that to you, know, fully formed trial, the fully foreign on more baby. So, I guess what would you say to the Florida voter who is like I feel like I'm kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place, Like what do I do this November?

I guess what would you tell people, because you know a lot of Americans are in the middle right, Like they look at the six weeks and like, oh man, that's too early if a woman doesn't know she's pregnant, you know, And they look at a late term abortion and say that that's evil, that's demonic. We shouldn't do that to you, know, fully formed trial, the fully foreign on more baby. So, I guess what would you say to the Florida voter who is like I feel like I'm kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place, Like what do I do this November?

Well, if we're talking about this November, I think the decision's actually pretty easy. I would ask myself, do you care about saving babies and abortion? If you think life begins a conception, obviously you're going to vote know on this. If you think that doctors should be required to perform abortions, then obviously you vote know on this. If you care about parental consent for minors, you vote no. It's pretty simple. If you don't think painful this memberment abortion should be legal, then you vote no. We have a legislative process for a reason, right, And so you know we've seen Florida's abortion laws swing all over the place. We went from twenty four weeks to fifteen weeks to six weeks. That's done through the will of the people, through the legislative process. And if Florida in general thinks that the law should be a little bit more lax. I can pretty much guarantee you they'll start voting for more pro choice candidates and we'll see this legislation get changed. The problem is when you bring in the hammer of a constitutional amendment and you say, hey, six weeks, that's too radical. Oh, I know, let's make it through all forty weeks and anyone can do an abortion. That doesn't really give Florida voters a true choice. So if you want a true choice, I would just tell you vote no on this, let them try again with a more moderate amendment, or just trust the legislative process and vote for people who represent your values in the Florida legislature.

Well, if we're talking about this November, I think the decision's actually pretty easy. I would ask myself, do you care about saving babies and abortion? If you think life begins a conception, obviously you're going to vote know on this. If you think that doctors should be required to perform abortions, then obviously you vote know on this. If you care about parental consent for minors, you vote no. It's pretty simple. If you don't think painful this memberment abortion should be legal, then you vote no. We have a legislative process for a reason, right, And so you know we've seen Florida's abortion laws swing all over the place. We went from twenty four weeks to fifteen weeks to six weeks. That's done through the will of the people, through the legislative process. And if Florida in general thinks that the law should be a little bit more lax. I can pretty much guarantee you they'll start voting for more pro choice candidates and we'll see this legislation get changed. The problem is when you bring in the hammer of a constitutional amendment and you say, hey, six weeks, that's too radical. Oh, I know, let's make it through all forty weeks and anyone can do an abortion. That doesn't really give Florida voters a true choice. So if you want a true choice, I would just tell you vote no on this, let them try again with a more moderate amendment, or just trust the legislative process and vote for people who represent your values in the Florida legislature.

And real quick before we go, where can people learn more about amendment for Where can they donate?

And real quick before we go, where can people learn more about amendment for Where can they donate?

Where can they contribute?

Where can they contribute?

I would love for you to visit my website keep floridaprolife dot org. We have all kinds of talking points there that will help you understand. You can make a donation there. There's another website you can go to which is called Read Between Thelies dot org. It has more information about it. It talks a little bit about parental consent. If you want to send your more moderate friends somewhere. Send them to Read Between the Lies dot org. If you have, you know hardcore pro life conservative friends, send them to keep Florida ProLife dot org and they can make a donation there as well. And I just want you to know that if you do decide to make a donation to the campaign, your money's going to be well spent. We are a legitimate political committee and I'm not taking a dime as the person running this committee. I'm only doing this because I care about babies, and I care about women, and I care about miners.

I would love for you to visit my website keep floridaprolife dot org. We have all kinds of talking points there that will help you understand. You can make a donation there. There's another website you can go to which is called Read Between Thelies dot org. It has more information about it. It talks a little bit about parental consent. If you want to send your more moderate friends somewhere. Send them to Read Between the Lies dot org. If you have, you know hardcore pro life conservative friends, send them to keep Florida ProLife dot org and they can make a donation there as well. And I just want you to know that if you do decide to make a donation to the campaign, your money's going to be well spent. We are a legitimate political committee and I'm not taking a dime as the person running this committee. I'm only doing this because I care about babies, and I care about women, and I care about miners.

Bohaman, thank you so much for coming on the show. I appreciate you making the time, and you know, appreciate you and what you're doing here in Florida.

Bohaman, thank you so much for coming on the show. I appreciate you making the time, and you know, appreciate you and what you're doing here in Florida.

Well, Lisa, thank you so much for having me. And man, what you're doing is amazing. So keep up the good work.

Well, Lisa, thank you so much for having me. And man, what you're doing is amazing. So keep up the good work.

That was Bohamon with First Care for Life and also with read Between thewis dot org breaking down a moment for what we need to know as Floridians, and also just putting everyone on alert. Make sure you're paying attention to what's on your ballot in your state this November. I want to thank you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. Or to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together until next time.

That was Bohamon with First Care for Life and also with read Between thewis dot org breaking down a moment for what we need to know as Floridians, and also just putting everyone on alert. Make sure you're paying attention to what's on your ballot in your state this November. I want to thank you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. Or to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together until next time.